From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #48 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 2 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 048 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Starbucks CDs [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: my joni mitchell tribute record [Zachary Scot Johnson ] Conor Oberst on being the next Bob Dylan [Smurf ] DOH! [Smurf ] Re: New Orleans Jazz fest Line Up 2005 (LONG) (Now NJC) ["Sherelle Smith"] Re: Conor Oberst on being the next Bob Dylan [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Richard, dirges, and Goat Dances ["McMillan Brad" ] All this talk about MOA ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Leonard Cohen njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Goat Dances [Smurf ] Re: Leonard Cohen njc [Jerry Notaro ] NJC - new Tracy Grammer site (I Go Like the Raven - Dave Carter) [OzWoman] Re: Joni serious ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Goat Dances ["McMillan Brad" ] Re: A little good news (NJC) ["Ruth Davis" ] WALLY IN THE US IN FEB!!! njc/updates ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: the attraction of Dylan was: RE: Conor Oberst on being, njc ["mackoli] now: the attraction of Rufus, was: the attraction of Dylan -- still NJC [Smurf Subject: Re: Starbucks CDs Yes, I think you can oorder them from www.starbucks.com and link to the 'stores' and 'hear this' should get you to the link. I'm in need of them as well.... Much Joni Jamie Zoob in London --- joe farrell wrote: > Does anybody know how i can get copies of the > forthcoming Joni Starbucks CDs > in the UK? Is there a Starbucks shop online where i > can mail-order them? > > If not is anybody prepared to buy them for me in the > USA and send them to me > in the UK, i will of course reimburse all costs. > > Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:44:16 -0800 (PST) From: Zachary Scot Johnson Subject: Re: my joni mitchell tribute record Hey Bob, Thanks so much for your kind note. I'm having a great time over here in London. I head off to Italy for 10 days this coming week...life is wonderful at the moment. Last night I headed out to Camden Town to hear up and coming singer/ songwriter Mindy Smith at a small club and before she came on the 'Hissing of Summer Lawns' album played in it's entirety loudly in the venue. My girlfriend was with me (and loved her introduction to Mindy, who was fantastic but a little sick so cut her set short) and she's been oddly resistant to Joni, though admits she hasn't yet given her a fair chance and promises to soon, remarked that she liked this album a lot more than the earlier work I tend to most often play of Joni's. She did not, however, like 'Shadows and Light', though I have a feeling it was simply because of the volume of the music, which was quite amazingly loud. Anyways, I was surprised and delighted that an entire Joni cd would be played as warm-up music. Mindy didn't mention Joni as an influence (sighting Dolly Parton, Alison Krauss and Gillian Welch as ones) but I have a feeling she was in on the selection. I haven't yet heard the specific covers you mentioned, but 'Ethiopia' was one that sprang to mind for me to do, as I've always loved that song. I'll freely admit that while I've often tried to give CMIARS chance after chance, I find it difficult to get through that cd and listen to it by far the least of all Joni cd's. I am a big, big fan of the TI album, though, and certainly plan on using a song or two from it. I also respect the opinion of he who wrote me and gracefully said it would be better to do one really strong Joni cover than a half-ass full-length cd just to do a Joni Mitchell cover record. Certainly was never my intention, but I see the point. I actually found myself thinking of a recent Shawn Colvin concert I attended (I love Shawn so much and have seen her a lot now) when she was talking about the TNT tribute she took part in. She mentioned that they really wanted her and Chapin to do the big hits--Big Yellow Taxi and Chelsea Morning--but she balked at the idea and said she would only do that if they let them do 'Amelia' as well. I would love to do some of the more obscure ones. One that I do frequently in solo sets is 'Conversation', which I don't *think* many people have done, though I haven't seen the numbers on the amount of covers you have of that one. Anyways, we'll see what happens. I have to do my second record of originals first, and who knows when the financing of that will come about. Since I've been traveling so much I've had lots of time to write and I hear I may have enough songs at this point for seven or eight records, but I guess one can't really look at that as a bad thing. I wonder if Joni had a similar problem when she first started recording...a fear that you might never catch up and be able to record and release all the songs you've written. Yes, I did see 'Closer'. I was pleased to hear she won the Golden Globe (though I am a huge Meryl Streep fan and my loyalty was with her...quite an impressive feat for Natalie to beat out Meryl, Laura Linney, Cate Blanchet...some of the finest actresses out there) but hear her acceptance speech was quite bizarre. You're right, though...I've actually never seen 'Star Wars', but am willing to bet that 'Closer' was about as far away from it as could be...and good for her for take that risk. Thanks for the kind words, Bob, and others who have written about this project. Hope all is well with you! ~Zach np...'Love (Stand Up)' by Patti Scialfa...love this song a lot... - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Hi Zach, great to hear from you again, and I'm very > excited for all your > upcoming Euro-adventures...wish you all the best > there. > > Of course I flip over any and all Joni covers, and > after all of the positive > feedback I heard about your lovely ACOY cover I'm > anxious to hear whatever > you record. There are some interesting angles to > Joni covers, and it's > definitely a good thing that you can appreciate her > ENTIRE career output and not > just the smaller window that most recording artists > work with. You could put > together a whole 80 minutes worth of Joni songs > that no one has tackled yet! > Certainly lots from the 80's & 90's, even some of > the 70's stuff. After hearing > Holly Near & Cris Williamson's take on Tea Leaf > Prophecy & Teri Lynne > Carrington's Ethiopia, I would be partial to > hearing some earthier and more > natural-sounding arrangements of some of those 80's > songs. > > Any way you go, please keep us posted on what's > going on with you & your > music. > > Speaking of Natalie, have you seen > "Closer"?...definitely not Star Wars. I > was impressed. > > Bob > > NP: Patti Witten, "Another Minute More" (my fave PW > track, definitely > influenced by the song "Hejira" featuring a similar > riff) > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:50:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: Good Friends Demo - Geffen Recordings Wally Kairuz wrote: I plead ignorance & incompetence, Wally - I've tried a couple of variations on the peer-to-peer thing and never could get it to work. Then on top of that, I've gotten to where I have so much in terms of live stuff that I don't really WANT any more...note this statement does not extend to Joni covers or other Joni stuff. You are right in saying that the 1985 Rock Master Class is a must have, not just for the unplugged DED stuff but for the great interview and the Paprika-like piano improv that Joni performs. Very nice - hopefully this is available on the P2P thingy, I'm certain that the early Joni stuff is. Bob NP: Dusty Springfield, "You've Got A Friend" Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:37:05 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: was my joni mitchell tribute record now Natalie P. and most definitely njc --- Zachary Scot Johnson wrote: > Yes, I did see 'Closer'. I was pleased to hear she > won > the Golden Globe (though I am a huge Meryl Streep > fan > and my loyalty was with her...quite an impressive > feat > for Natalie to beat out Meryl, Laura Linney, Cate > Blanchet...some of the finest actresses out there) > but hear her acceptance speech was quite bizarre. > You're right, though...I've actually never seen > 'Star > Wars', but am willing to bet that 'Closer' was about > as far away from it as could be...and good for her > for > take that risk. If you're a Natalie Portman fan and if you haven't seen this yet, you must rent "Garden State". I'm sure you'll love it. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:44:30 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Good Friends Demo - Geffen Recordings Now filesharing vljc --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > i heard there was some sort of file trade > on the jmdl, a site where > i could download stuff. how does that work? maybe i > could get the master > class and the 2nd fret stuff that way. i don't have > any of the joni early > material on cd. i know bob muller must know how to > deal with this thing. > Send a private message to Les asking about it and he'll send you the info. I'd forward the info to you but am not sure if I have all of the up-to-date info you need. I'm on the P2P thing but don't know if the Master Class is there. This is one I don't have & would like & I'm on the filesharing thing, so should be able to get it if indeed it is there. I had some problems when I upgraded the filesharing software but most of the bugs are ironed out now. There's a lot of really good stuff there - Joni and loads of other stuff. You could really become addicted to it, so be careful what you ask for! You should have high-speed access, not dialup (you probably could do it with dialup but it would probably take days just to download one file). There's some free software you need to download and install and away you go. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:30:19 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Leonard, by the lonely painter Wonderful painting. One of her best. Jerry > A painting of Leonard Cohen by Joni: > > http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/joni.html > > Also, this strange entry from the site: > > I bought a house there for $1,500. I still have it. > All of this sounds very idyllic but it was naive and > because Id never set up a career  what Joni Mitchell > later called the star-stoking machinery  for > myself, by the time the 70s came round and everything > had gotten hard-nosed and materialistic, I got wiped > out. > > Say what? The star WHAT machinery? And "setting up a > career" isn't really what the star-maker machinery is > all about anyway. That story is at: > > http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/qmag.html > > Harumph! > > --Smurf, wearing tube socks with style, and such an > innocent smile > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:24:50 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Conor Oberst on being the next Bob Dylan I was reading METRO -- Boston racist and badly written (but free!) commuter newspaper on my way to work this morning -- and I read this about Bright Eyes' Conor Oberst: To critics and fans, he's the next Bob Dylan -- a description that doesn't quite fit, Oberst says. Dylan was the first to essentially sing poetry, Oberst says, "you know ... complex prose." "Once he did that, a lot of people followed suit, and therefore he was able to kind of redefine the way people thought of words and music ... so when they keep hoping for someone to do it again, I always find it strange because that can't really happen again." - --Smurf, thinking he should check out Bright Eyes, and maybe that Dylan guy too if Les ever explains what the big attraction is ... Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:28:11 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: DOH! Sorry, Joni-onlies, for forgetting the no-Joni tag on the post I just sent. I hit SEND and saw the post go flying into cyperspace before I could stop it. - --Smurf Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:49:52 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: New Orleans Jazz fest Line Up 2005 (LONG) (Now NJC) Ha! Ha! I guess I better! I think I've joined the human race now and deserve to travel a bit! Thank you for the offer my friend. I will definitely talk to Rob about it! Love, Sherelle >From: Michael Paz >To: Sherelle Smith >CC: Joni Digest >Subject: Re: New Orleans Jazz fest Line Up 2005 (LONG) (Now NJC) >Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:02:39 -0600 > >I guess you better brought yourself down here and catch some of these >shows. >There all at the fairgrounds. Over ten stages running at the same time. >Your >house is waiting here. > >Love > >Paz > >NP-High Landrons-Eric Johnson (I'm on a kick) > > > > Wow! What a line up Paz! Here are some additional great artists that I > > found in your lineup: > > > > B.B King-Someone I have always wanted to see live > > Shirley Horn-A classic and ditto to the statement above > > Neville Brothers-A great live act > > Isaac Hayes-Can you say "Hot Buttered Soul?" Wow! > > Randy Newman-One of my favorites > > Los Lonely Boys-A new group that I have fallen in love with! >(song-Heaven) > > Anthony Hamilton-A fantastic new artist with an old soul and an original > > groove > > Susan Tedeschi-A killer jazz guitarist! > > Steve Winwood-We go back to my days in England when he was with the >Spencer > > Davis Group (Somebody Help Me) and he is one of those artists I've >always > > wanted to see > > Buckwheat Zydeco-Made me see what Zydeco is all about! > > Allen Toussaint- Just because he's a legend... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:46:44 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Conor Oberst on being the next Bob Dylan This boy has certainly hired the right publicist. He is in EVERY magazine the last few weeks. I have tickets to see him in a few weeks. No one heard of Bright Eyes when I got them. I'm leery of anyone being called the next Bob Dylan, or the next Joni, for that matter. Jerry np: Rufus Wainwright - Peach Trees No matter what you say, there is no one else like him. > I was reading METRO -- Boston racist and badly written (but free!) commuter > newspaper on my way to work this morning -- and I read this about Bright Eyes' > Conor Oberst: > > To critics and fans, he's the next Bob Dylan -- a description that doesn't > quite fit, Oberst says. > > Dylan was the first to essentially sing poetry, Oberst says, "you know ... > complex prose." > > "Once he did that, a lot of people followed suit, and therefore he was able to > kind of redefine the way people thought of words and music ... so when they > keep hoping for someone to do it again, I always find it strange because that > can't really happen again." > > --Smurf, thinking he should check out Bright Eyes, and maybe that Dylan guy > too if Les ever explains what the big attraction is ... > Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:55:10 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: A little good news (NJC) Oh Paz!!! Ha! Ha! That is too funny! I think touring may be the plan. David (the playwright) has made some Hollywood contacts that have actually called back on another project of his and I am hoping that some of that can rub off on this play too. We'll see. I will call you soon Paz, my dear friend! Love, Sherelle >From: Michael Paz >To: Sherelle Smith , Joni Digest >Subject: Re: A little good news (NJC) >Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:09:56 -0600 > > >OMG> Sherelle can you har me screaming??? I just woke up the cat and >everyone came running to see if I was on fire or something. That is >wonderful. I hope the play is well received and you are able to tour with >it >nationally. Keep us posted and you go girl! Give me a call when you can >ok??? > >Love > >Paz > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I found out for sure last Thursday that I am going to play the lead role >in > > a musical play about Roberta Flack. The fellow I worked with before who >I > > now consider a friend, David has written it. He's a little out there but >he > > has a good heart and he is very determined. he may be a little >eccentric, > > but he doesn't lie. He says that he has spoken to Roberta Flack and >gotten > > her blessing on the project. She lives here in the DC area. I've had the > > chance to read with the characters who will play Donny Hathaway and >Peabo > > Bryson. It's a do-able script...very original. I can't really say much >more > > about it because I have to sign a confidentiality agreement on its >contents. > > > > David Whitehead (the playwright) is a very determined person who I think > > will succeed through sheer willpower alone. As some of you know, I've >been > > through my share of ups and downs in this city (DC) but I still have had >so > > many opportunities that have not come to others working musically here. >I'm > > very fortunate. I don't know why it has been happening but I'm going to >go > > with the flow. > > > > Our first performance is tentatively scheduled for sometime in March at > > Eastern Market theater in Capital Hill. There will be other performances > > hopefully in Baltimore and Philadelphia. David said to me during our >meeting > > last Thursday, "I think I've gotten it right this time" and I think he >just > > may be right. I'll keep everyone posted. Keep thinking good thoughts! > > > > Love, Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:58:00 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: A little good news (NJC) I will as soon as I get it. Wow! The thought of having my JMDLers around is exciting and surreal! I'll keep you posted! Love, Sherelle >From: Michael Paz >To: Bob Muller , Sherelle Smith > >CC: Joni Digest >Subject: Re: A little good news (NJC) >Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:13:32 -0600 > >Sniff sniff sniff!!! Hmmmm I DO smell a minifest. Dates times and ticket >info please. > >Love > >Paz > > > > Whoo Hoo, Sherrelle!! I'm excited for you, girl - way to go! I can fly > > round-trip to DC cheap and would love to see you & maybe get an >autograph. Do > > I smell a minifest? > > > > And hey, Peabo is from....Greenville, SC!! And my middle initial is "A" >which > > means that my name is Robert A, like Roberta, and I get FLACK from Smurf >- > > what a coincidence! > > > > Anyway, all goffiness aside, I'm super-proud of you, can't wait to see & >hear > > you in your star vehicle. Roberta's "That's the Time I Feel Like Makin' >Love" > > is one of my faves. > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Red House Painters, "Kavita" > > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:59:31 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Re: A little good news (NJC) Thanks so much! I will check your website out right now! I love New Zealand!!!! Thanks for the offer too! Love, Sherelle >From: "hell" >To: "Sherelle Smith" >CC: >Subject: RE: Re: A little good news (NJC) >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:53:34 +1300 > >Sherelle wrote: > > > Actually, Rob and I are desperately trying to get to your neck of > > the woods, > > New Zealand. After seeing Lord of the Rings (all three movies) I > > have become > > mesmerized by the country! You live in a very, very special place!!!! > >Well, I've always thought so! If you'd like to know a little more about >NZ, >check out the NZ tour guide section of my website (the link is below). I'm >slowly getting more information there, and the most relevant section is the >"General Information" section (NZ Places on the menu). If you (or anyone >else) wants to know anything more specific, just let me know! > > >Hell >_________________________________________ >"To have great poets, there must be great >audiences too" - Walt Whitman > >Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.1 - Release Date: 27/01/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:31:08 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Re: A little good news (NJC) Hell's awesome art!!!!! Wow! Wow! Wow! Everyone should check out this homepage to check out Hell's art!!!! Absolutely awesome! the website is fantastic too!!!!! I am still reading it! Your picture of Joni is too much! Love, Sherelle >From: "hell" >To: "Sherelle Smith" >CC: >Subject: RE: Re: A little good news (NJC) >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:53:34 +1300 > >Sherelle wrote: > > > Actually, Rob and I are desperately trying to get to your neck of > > the woods, > > New Zealand. After seeing Lord of the Rings (all three movies) I > > have become > > mesmerized by the country! You live in a very, very special place!!!! > >Well, I've always thought so! If you'd like to know a little more about >NZ, >check out the NZ tour guide section of my website (the link is below). I'm >slowly getting more information there, and the most relevant section is the >"General Information" section (NZ Places on the menu). If you (or anyone >else) wants to know anything more specific, just let me know! > > >Hell >_________________________________________ >"To have great poets, there must be great >audiences too" - Walt Whitman > >Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.1 - Release Date: 27/01/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:36:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: groundhog day? njc This morning's digest, a little strange, with a November post from victor & ending as they often do with what looks like unintentional posts (virus?) from wally & fred... well it must be groundhog day :~} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:40:25 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Richard, dirges, and Goat Dances Eaddy; I am convinced the Goat Dance reference in Carey is sex. The whole line, you know: "..he did the goat dance very, he gave me back my smile but he kept my camera to sell". Goat=satyr goat 'dance'= sex. He gave her back her smile? come-on! Gotta agree with you to an extent about Hejira. Of course, someone here was extoling the virtues of Leonard Cohen recently. I could never stand to hear Cohen because he sang EVERYTHING in the same minor key monotone, but his words were beautiful. Maybe Joni was stretching with Hejira to see if her words could carry a song? Song for Sharon sounds similar to me but I have always loved the words there too. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "eaddy sutton" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: Richard, dirges, and Goat Dances > So sorry I sent along the whole dang thing last time -- thanks for > letting me know of the faux pas. > > A dirge?! Oh Garret, you have wounded me deeply . . . I am at an utter > loss > for words. Okay, I'm over the 'utter loss for words' part now. I think > 'Richard' is such a brilliant, brilliant reflection of one moment in > time, > one flash of clarity - a reflection of that moment when you realize you > have > to resign yourself to the fact that there is no perfect solution to some > situations . . . > > > I must agree with this gentleman regarding the final song on Blue. The > crescendo -- Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly > away; only a phase, these dark cafe days -- is it indeed. Lovely > lines to croon loudly along with, the essence of transformational Joni. > > Want to talk about dirge, about plodding, dark downers, lets talk the > namesake of "Hejira." This album hits a deep one in me, as I grew up > with white sand roads and the clouds of Michelangelo on the west coast > of Fla. It just thrills me that she was there when I was just a kid. > (Anyone know the details of just where she fixed dinner for them and > Boston Jim? Naples, Englewood, Siesta Key?) But this song I do not > like, even hate, as it brings down the whole album experience with its > monotony. I have cursed it many times as I must skip it and pretend to > erase its existence on an otherwise perfect and profound set of poetry. > Perhaps somewhat could enlighten me and remove this blight. > > "Pretty lies" . . . is this an original phrase of hers? I recently > discovered that "I am as constant as the Northern Star" is spoken at > least twice by Caesar in Shakespeare's play. I would be happy to share > the entire quote and scene reference if anyone is interested. (It > seems no one was much interested in comparing Goat Dance > interpretations -- I don't think it's sex, I suspect it's a true > cultural gig. Honestly -- no one else out there has ever tried to bust > it out?) > > looking forward to some discussion -- Eaddy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:46:20 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Richard, dirges, and Goat Dances great observation about white lines and utility poles. I hadn't thought of that. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark or Travis" To: "eaddy sutton" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: Re: Richard, dirges, and Goat Dances > eaddy sutton wrote: > > Want to talk about dirge, about plodding, dark downers, lets talk the > > namesake of "Hejira." .... But this song I do not > > like, even hate, as it brings down the whole album experience with its > > monotony. I have cursed it many times as I must skip it and pretend to > > erase its existence on an otherwise perfect and profound set of > > poetry. Perhaps somewhat could enlighten me and remove this blight. > > I got a chuckle out of reading this, Eaddy. Many people on this list see the album 'Hejira' as the > apex of Joni's output and some as the greatest record ever made. From time to time I have contested > this, citing what to me is a repetitiveness to several of the songs on the record and similarity in > tone and tempo between most of the tracks. The song 'Hejira' itself is treated with particular > reverence by many list members. > > I think the song 'Hejira' has some wonderful poetry in it. As far as the monotony is concerned, try > thinking of riding in a car for a long space of time over a long distance. The monotony of the > sounds the car makes, the repetition of the 'fine white lines' on the highway and the regularity of > the utility poles, traffic coming the opposite way, even the scenery on some stretches of road. I > think the song is deliberately evocative of this. And over the years I seem to hear more and more > every time I play this particular cd and set out once more on the spiritual journey that Joni charts > on it. > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:07:19 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: MOA...whoa!!!!! Glad you like MOA! I agree with everything you said. And yes, i often think that this album represents joni's voice at it's most pleasant to listen to. if i'm not wrong this came after C & S so FTR had been around a couple of years (??). the great thing about it was that Joni had just released a relative hit in C & S and didn't load the MOA concert down with C & S material (not that that would have been bad), only people's parties, right? sounds like a fun evening. GARRET NP- regina spektor, Somedays (loving this album!!) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:03:25 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: MOA...whoa!!!!! Just got this a day ago...what an amazingly attractive (to me anyway) album! Anyone else think this is one of the best recordings of Joni's voice? I like the fact that she really "tries", too, on these. They don't have that so off the cuff "I'm sick to death of this song" quality about them at all that some singers get when the songs are no longer brand new. And that despite that she probably *was*..according to the "paint another starry night" comment. It seems clear to me though, that "FTR" stuff was new at this time. I ADORE the CBSASF on this. (altho I hate the crowd's intitial oooh and ahhhh at the start of it... wow! she's gonna sing the junkie song, she's gonna sing the junkie song...) Am not quite all the way through this yet, but find myself quite enamored. Am making this my resident "car CD" for the next while. Anybody know who the little dude was who yelled the "you have more class than Mick Jagger, Richard Nixon and Gomer Pyle combined!" comment is? Is he among us here on the list? lol.... c'mon, 'fess up! :) Em < Subject: All this talk about MOA Dear Ones: I'm just peeping in briefly to say that all this talk about Miiles of Aisles makes me smile. I LOVE MOA! When I did my Junior Year Abroad in France (1974-75), my roommate and I had only a tiny cheap little cassette player, and Christine had brought only ONE music cassette (imagine the horror!) -- the soundtrack from Last Tango in Paris. The cassette player's main function was for us to make voice tapes to send home, and to play the ones our friends sent from home -- no email or cellphones in those old days, and phone rates were impossibly expensive. Finally, half way through the year, my boyfriend from home sent me the newly-released MOA and we, of course, played it CONSTANTLY. We drank Joni every day. Consequently, whenever I hear it now, I am back in France, trudging up the hill to the Universite de Rouen with Joni songs playing in my head, sitting in some dark cafe, travelling in some vehicle, laughing and toasting to nothing, going to people's parties, sitting in my bedroom on the orange bedspread with the photograph of Joni (singing in her white pants and peach-colored top in Montreal in the summer of 1974) above my bed, turning my roommate on FOREVER to all things Joni. And I love love LOVE the spontaneous gorgeous wings of her laughter when that guy yells out: "you have more class than Mick Jagger, Richard Nixon and Gomer Pyle combined!"! LOL, Joni! Merci beaucoup, Lori, for talking about the photos in the album. All my old albums are buried in my basement, and it never occurred to me (DUH!!!) until now to dig them out for the PICTURES!! Oh, yes! The pictures! Sweet inspiration! This will be a happy weekend project. I should frame them all, no? And make my son's old bedroom into a Joni Room. A shrine -- to the CHIRP! Yes! Oui, oui! Paint it blue, with a little green. And I'll finally get that Joni poster framed, the one I showed Ashara when we met. I probably bought it in the 70s for two bucks. It's all yellowed and has scotch tape marks on it from being on my dorm room wall, but so what? Petrified wood process, tall timber down to Joan! It's black and white, and in the picture she is holding -- guess what? Yes, you all know what!!! A cigarette! Elle fume toujours, la Joan, n'est-ce pas? Playing and singing out loud (when no one is home) and swaying to MOA always puts me in a good mood. Glad you got it, Em! And Vince, what you are going through I can only imagine, and empathize with deeply. God bless your son and grandson, and God help us all. And Emiliano, honey man -- I miss you. Como esta, querido amigo??? And Blue Boy, I will write soon about ETTBarbara! (Your wit slays me, comme d'habitude!) Quelle small world! I may go to the colossal 30 year reunion on 2/18, but it looks like YOU will be in Wally World! Hot ginger and dynamite! That's all there is at night! ;) Break a leg and bonne chance, sweet Sherelle, and keep on doing the good work, Mr. Paz! And Music Man Muller: tell Valerie that UConn is playing UNC on February 13th, but I'm not placing any bets. We are not having the best of years. And Marianne and Bree -- you must invite us all when your street sign is changed. We'll decorate it like a May Pole on a sunny day, braiding wild flowers and leaves on the post. Et Catherine of Toronto, ne lurkez JAMAIS, s'il vous plait! Love and peaceful wishes to all, Patti, now in rare Joni-form thanks to you guys....the JMDL is the best face lift! P.S. And my son Christopher -- the one who makes fun of Joni's voice (he told me to close the windows one night when I had Joni at high volume because I'd get all the neighborhood dogs barking) -- well, at a recent visit to his apartment, I spied MOA and C&S on his CD rack! AHA!!!!! Big big smile! P.S.S. (Help! She's posting and she can't shut up!) Does anyone know Kilauren's birthdate? Someone mentioned that it's in February. I would love for it to be the same day as mine. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:53:29 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen njc McMillan Brad wrote: > > Gotta agree with you to an extent about Hejira. Of course, someone > here was extoling the virtues of Leonard Cohen recently. I could > never stand to hear Cohen because he sang EVERYTHING in the same > minor key monotone, but his words were beautiful. Pick up Judy Collins's latest cd, 'Judy Collins Sings Leonard Cohen: Democracy.' The beauty of both the melodies and the words will leap out at you. I have a couple of Leonard Cohen's records on vinyl but I haven't listened to them for years and years. I've been thinking about picking some of them up on cd. I remember that his singing did have a droning but also soothing quality to it. Quiet and haunting. I think my next search, however, will be for Jennifer Warnes' 'Famous Blue Raincoat.' Does anyone know if it's still in print? Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:00:08 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Goat Dances Here's a National Geographic photo of someone doing the goat dance: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/insights/greece/index.html The photo includes the following info: "Synchronized chaos and the deafening din of bells draws revelers to the streets of Skyros for the annual goat dance, a pre-Lenten carnival with hints of ancient fertility rites. Clad in stifling pelts, kidskin masks, and loops of metal goat bells totaling a hundred pounds or more, celebrants fueled by ouzo stomp and sweat through the night." From "Ancient Greece Part IIIAscent to Glory," February 2000, National Geographic magazine Smurf, who thinks it is possible that there's more than one kind of goat dance The all-new My Yahoo!  Get yours free! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:06:48 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen njc > McMillan Brad wrote: >> >> Gotta agree with you to an extent about Hejira. Of course, someone >> here was extoling the virtues of Leonard Cohen recently. I could >> never stand to hear Cohen because he sang EVERYTHING in the same >> minor key monotone, but his words were beautiful. > > Pick up Judy Collins's latest cd, 'Judy Collins Sings Leonard Cohen: > Democracy.' The beauty of both > the melodies and the words will leap out at you. > > I have a couple of Leonard Cohen's records on vinyl but I haven't listened to > them for years and > years. I've been thinking about picking some of them up on cd. I remember > that his singing did > have a droning but also soothing quality to it. Quiet and haunting. I think > my next search, > however, will be for Jennifer Warnes' 'Famous Blue Raincoat.' Absolutely. One of an all time favorite of mine (surprise, right Mark??). In fact, I just got a cd of Leonard and Jennifer together in concert. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:07:43 EST From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: NJC - new Tracy Grammer site (I Go Like the Raven - Dave Carter) Hello, All - Mags wrote: > Birds are wise messengers. Mark, I'm glad you received the blessings of > that > day. As some of you may recall, when Dave passed away, Tracy wrote of something similar in a letter to her fans ( http://daveandtracy.globalhosting.com/index.php?startrow=20... then scroll 3/4 of the way down) - this segues perfectly into the following news (and look at all those birds on the home page)... << Thanks to Briel Johnson of Five Petal Design, and Will Turnage, web- programmer extraordinaire, for pulling the tracygrammer.com website together in time for February touring. Built around a "Verdant Mile" color scheme, the site contains many of the features of the daveandtracy.com site, plus will have some new features, like "Notes from the Road," and resources to help fans build community and share the music. This site is still being refined but hey -- we're among friends here, right? Lots to add still, but here's a start. We hope you like it... http://www.tracygrammer.com FLOWER OF AVALON PRE-SALES BEGIN 2/1 Be the first on your block to own it! Although FLOWER OF AVALON is not scheduled for release until April 26, the new album is available for pre-order NOW, only at tracygrammer.com. FOA presents nine previously unrecorded Dave Carter songs and features Mary Chapin Carpenter on backing vocals and liner notes (!). Orders will be shipped by the second week of March -- a full month before the retail release. Visit the all-new tracygrammer.com website for information and ordering. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ TRACY GRAMMER / www.tracygrammer.com >> Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com http://www.horseofadifferentcolorbooking.com "I was all out of choices, but the woman of voices She turned round the corner with music around her, She gave me the language that keeps me alive..." ~ Dar Williams ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:08:49 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni serious Hi David! Court and Spark was my introduction to Joni as well and I have to say that I always thought of her as having a fun side too. Hissing of Summer Lawns was out at the time and it was the next album I listened to in my college roommate's collection. I totally agree with what you are saying! Sherelle David wrote: You know Court and Spark was my first introduction to Joni, so I have never thought of her as all serious or a person without a sense of humor. Help Me, Just Like This Train, Raised on Robbery and Twisted were all humorous or had very humorous moments, so I always thought of her as having a fun side. David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:12:53 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Goat Dances Smurf; Thanks for the insightful info. A double entendre, mayhaps? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smurf" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: Re: Goat Dances > Here's a National Geographic photo of someone doing the goat dance: > > http://www.nationalgeographic.com/insights/greece/index.html > > The photo includes the following info: > > "Synchronized chaos and the deafening din of bells draws revelers to the streets of Skyros for the annual goat dance, a pre-Lenten carnival with hints of ancient fertility rites. Clad in stifling pelts, kidskin masks, and loops of metal goat bells totaling a hundred pounds or more, celebrants fueled by ouzo stomp and sweat through the night." > > From "Ancient Greece Part IIIAscent to Glory," February 2000, National Geographic magazine > > Smurf, who thinks it is possible that there's more than one kind of goat dance > The all-new My Yahoo!  Get yours free! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:07:18 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: Re: A little good news (NJC) Way to go, Sherelle! My mother lives on Capital Hill, about 3 miles from the Eastern Market, and I am planning a visit soon. I would like to co-ordinate it with seeing your show. My mother used to go see Roberta Flack in the 60's when she played in clubs in DC - I am sure she would love to see this! Please keep us posted regarding the DC date and let us know when tickets go on sale. Ruth P.S. I also look forward to meeting any other JMDLers who come to the show! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:28:45 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: WALLY IN THE US IN FEB!!! njc/updates Hi Paz, So glad that the shipments got off where they are most needed! I was checking out my Just Plain Folks newsletter and one of the people that contributed to the newsletter was from Sri Lanka I believe. He put out an urgent plea that instead of money, they now need medicine and the drops that are put into the water to protect people from water-born illnesses. Also a singer/songwriter from Texas by the name of Terri Hendrix put out a plea to pass on any addresses of those who are helping in a similar regard. her website is www.terrihendrix.com. I thought I would pass this info on and let you know that no matter what the media says, you are definitely on the right track! Love, Sherelle Paz wrote: I just heard from my sister that I have to go to Miami sometime in March or April for a fundraiser for the Ruth Paz Foundation that one of the hostesses from UniVision, Maria Celeste Arrabas' from "Al Rojo Vivo" (she use to be on Primer Impacto) is throwing for us. They are trying to get Gloria and Emilio Estefan involved. I will let all you well heeled Floridians know before it happens. It's a bargain at $1000 a plate (not clear if you get to keep the plate or not though). It sounds like it will be a lot of fun. I guess I have to get my Armani hosed down. Special thanks to the ever supportive Ashara Stansfield for her very generous contribution to the South Asia relief fund. A shipment is leaving this week for Oregon to hook up with the Northeast Medical Teams who have been in country for awhile. Still no word on when Dennis and Dr. Heiman and I are headed that way. I will keep you guys updated. Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:38:39 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Conor Oberst on being the next Bob Dylan njc > --Smurf, thinking he should check out Bright Eyes, and maybe > that Dylan guy too if Les ever explains what the big > attraction is ... I'm tired of trying to explain the appeal and have decided to make some changes around here based on the constant criticisms of His Bobness by Smurf, Ashara, and others. >From this point on, JMDL stands for "Joni Mitchell and Dylan List". And, as soon as I can think of a catchier name I'll be eliminating the "Joni Mitchell" part of it altogether. "NJC" will no longer be used. When you post anything about Joni, please now use the "NDC" tag instead. I'll post details on how to subscribe to the "Only Dylan" list on the website. Thanks to Ashara and Smurf... you won't have Bob Dylan to kick around on the JMDL anymore! Les NP: His Bobness - "The Times They Are A-Changin'" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:06:27 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: the attraction of Dylan was: RE: Conor Oberst on being, etc still NJC lmao!!!! you gooooooo, Les! For me, the great attraction of Mr Bob Dylan, initially, was his nose. He has the most gorgeous beautifully shaped beak. And it has remained lovely as he has aged. I could view it from diff angles for hours. And I'm picky. For instance Barry Manilow's nose is a "nah" nose (like his music..sorry). I have rather a fetish for good noses, and the sight of Dylan together with Baez (who has the 2nd most gorgeous nose ever) is enough to just get me all silly and feel all aesthetically *pleased*. And then it turned out their music was fairly decent too! Go figure. What a deal. Em - --- Les Irvin wrote: > > --Smurf, thinking he should check out Bright Eyes, and maybe > > that Dylan guy too if Les ever explains what the big > > attraction is ... > > I'm tired of trying to explain the appeal and have decided to make > some > changes around here based on the constant criticisms of His Bobness > by > Smurf, Ashara, and others. > > >From this point on, JMDL stands for "Joni Mitchell and Dylan List". > And, as > soon as I can think of a catchier name I'll be eliminating the "Joni > Mitchell" part of it altogether. > > "NJC" will no longer be used. When you post anything about Joni, > please now > use the "NDC" tag instead. I'll post details on how to subscribe to > the > "Only Dylan" list on the website. > > Thanks to Ashara and Smurf... you won't have Bob Dylan to kick around > on the > JMDL anymore! > > Les > > NP: His Bobness - "The Times They Are A-Changin'" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:14:10 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: All this talk about MOA > the JMDL is the best face lift! That's priceless, Patti! And very true. Lori P.S. - Kilauren's birthday is Feb 19. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 12:17:11 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: the attraction of Dylan was: RE: Conor Oberst on being, njc Perception and eye of the beholder business. Always thought Dylan was ugly and hated his sound and could never understand what it was all about with him. He never moved me and still doesn't. My big brother loved him and listened to all of it. I just didn't find him appealing in any way. Don't like his nose, don't like his look at all. Love Barry and his music. Not necessarily attractive physically to me but looks nice and find his demeanor very attractive. Some of his obscure tunes are quite revealing, introspective, and thought provoking. Guess it depends on what one is looking for. Looks and attractiveness are so very subjective. There are the classic good looks, like a Muller, or the not so good looking but hot, like Gary Sinise. The adorable, like Wally, the oddly attractive, David Hyde Pierce, and just plain yuck, like Bob Dylan. Sorry, just an opinion. Did find some attraction for 'lay lady lay.' Too young at the time I suppose and could never find him though I tried. Someday maybe. Used to find Joni unattractive when younger, now see how foolish I was. Interesting how tastes change as we change with them. mack np: Gino Vannelli ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:37:08 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: now: the attraction of Rufus, was: the attraction of Dylan -- still NJC Well, Em, if you're really "picky" about noses (ha-ha!), you should check out the exquisite honker on Mr. Rufus Wainwright. It's what gives his voice that "whiny" (AKA "nasal') quality that Les complains of, despite Dylan's much more legendary, frightful whine. And Rufus keeps his nose clean, with the hairs clipped, unlike Dylan. - --Smurf NPIMH: "Pinocchio is now a boy who wants to turn back into a toy" (From "Vibrate" by Rufus) Em wrote: And I'm picky. Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:58:53 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: now: the attraction of Rufus, was: the attraction of Dylan -- still NJC - --- Smurf wrote: > And Rufus > keeps his nose clean, with the hairs clipped, unlike Dylan. ZIFF SPLAT POW! ouch! lol, Smurf not trying to talk anyone else into liking Dylan. Heck I'm used to liking him by myself. In my all girl catholic high school I went to, I seriously think not one other person liked him. Or even knew who he was. It was all disco or Bread or Barry Manilow or some other stuff that I perceived to be "of smarm". (note: that I perceived - doesn't mean it *was* smarm, just that I thought it was smarm) About the best I could hope for on AM radio was that a Neil Young song would be a hit, or some good Elton would come through. So within the last 20 years or so (way after highschool) its been fun finding others who can blur their eyes in the presence of nose hairs or the stray booger. Em ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #48 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)