From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #42 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 30 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 042 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Boids (njc) [Justalittlebreen@aol.com] Re: Goat Dance? [Bob Muller ] RE: Two Grey Rooms ["David Henderson" ] RE: Joan Baez njc [Bob Muller ] RE: homosexual affair? ["David Henderson" ] Drip, drip, drip (really njc) [Justalittlebreen@aol.com] A dirge?! ["David Henderson" ] Re: Drip, drip, drip (really njc), weather channel ["mackoliver" ] Re: Boids (njc) [Smurf ] New Orleans Jazz fest Line Up 2005 (LONG) [Michael Paz ] Re: Joan Baez njc [Em ] Re: Joan Baez njc [Em ] Re: Travelogue [Em ] Re: dippin' into recipes for guacamole and an artichoke heart thing too NJC PS [mags h ] RE: Travelogue [Em ] njc political survey [Vince Lavieri ] Two Grey Rooms [JSerkes@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #40 [JSerkes@aol.com] joni as a black man [JSerkes@aol.com] Re: Joan Baez njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Two Grey Rooms ["Kate Bennett" ] Guacamole njc ["Kate Bennett" ] a season for nonviolence njc [mags h ] Re: potatoes, bidatis -- njc [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:05:19 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Boids (njc) Marianne closed with : <> Funny, I'm not a huge omen beiever, but when I read that I had to say -- on Friday, I was walking innocently down Market Street when two small birds (bird watchers call them LBJs -- little brown jobbers, when they don't have time or inclination to identify them) attacked me, possibly because I was too close to their home (I'm a tad on the tall side). Anyway, what did they peck, but my cell phone, in my shirt pocket, so I didn't feel a thing -- sort of my-bible-took-the-bullet kind of story, no? So I'm taking it as a good sign (I'm sitting on some potentially scary news, I'll know more within a week). Years ago, I'd taken up writing fiction as therapy. I cried all the way through my first novella, which dealt with my having lost two lovers in two years. Anyway, the minute I finished it, I went out on my back deck and collapsed on a chaise longue, weeping. First, a red petal from some plant blew in from somewhere and danced around over my head before it finally zigzagged down onto my chest. I looked up at the sky and said, "Thanks." Then a ruby-throated hummingbird came down (to examine the red petal?) and proceded to check me out from a foot away, from several angles -- it may have only been a few seconds, but I was transfixed and it seemed to go on forever. Then he flew away. I looked back up at the sky and said, "I *said* thanks!" Just thought I'd share that. best to all, walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:22:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Goat Dance? Hi Eaddy, and welcome to the JMDL - thanks for the intro! In some of the concert stories that Joni tells of Carey, he is certainly larger than life. I recall that some think the "goat dance" is a euphemism for sex but I never bought into that idea. On the other hand, a Sunset pig is almost certainly a reference to the police officers on Sunset Blvd - never heard anything else that makes sense to me. Thanks for joining in - looking forward to more from you. Bob NP: Suzanne Vega, "Fat Man & Dancing Girl" Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:29:08 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: RE: Two Grey Rooms Mark, that interpretation is so interesting . . . it never occurred to me. I think another part of her genius is that she can write so perfectly in many different narrative styles (if that's the right wording) - first-person confessional songs, story songs, protest/issue songs, and songs that are straight observations. For me personally, her songs fall into three categories: 1) The songs that I most personally relate to, that seem as if she plucked them right out of my brain, like The Same Situation, Night Ride Home, Hejira, Song for Sharon, Woman of Heart and Mind, River, Chinese Cafe . . . 2) The songs that I don't personally relate to at all, but they are like mini-movies, glimpses into foreign worlds, like The Tea Leaf Prophecy, The Magdalene Laundries, Dreamworld, and much of THOSL, including THOSL, Edith, Harry's House, and The Jungle Line. I love these songs too, just in a very different way. 3) And then there are the songs that I relate to (not so much directly) through memories or friends or travels or favorite pieces of literature or movies like Two Grey Rooms, Shades of Scarlet, Cotton Avenue, Car on a Hill, and Blonde in the Bleachers. These are the ones where I have created very detailed interpretations like I did with Two Grey Rooms . . . often, Joni's song is my interpretation of or connection to someone I've known and loved, or hated, if that makes any sense. Of course, the next guy's interpretation may be completely different, and that's cool (and fun to hear). David NP Green Day, American Idiot - -----Original Message----- From: Mark or Travis [mailto:mark.travis@gte.net] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 2:19 PM To: David Henderson; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms David Henderson wrote: > Oh my God! I had no idea! Two Grey Rooms is one of my five or six > all-time favorite Joni tunes, but I never had any idea it was about a > gay romance. It would have meant even more to me when I first heard > it if I had known. Still, it sort of messes up my internal video of > the song. What will I do? When I first heard this song I thought maybe Joni was fantasizing about finding out where her daughter was and then going off on her own to see her. But she can't work up the nerve to meet her face to face so she rents those two grey rooms with a view in a place where she knows she can see her walking by every day. The line about 'hot days your shirts undone' didn't quite fit in with that theory, however, although it isn't really completely gender specific. I think this was in the days before Joni made her Little Green story public. I had begun to suspect, however, after the reference in 'Chinese Cafe' that Joni was singing about herself and the child that she bore but could not raise. I believe Joni has said that the actual story behind her lyrical concept for 'Two Grey Rooms' was about somebody in the German filmmaker Fassbinder's circle, a man who was still in love with another man who had been his lover 30 years before and actually rented rooms with a vantage point where he could watch unobserved the object of his love coming and going from work. Joni has also said that what the song means to you is what is most important. There are many of her songs that have come to have specific meanings for me that refer directly to things in my own life. That's part of her genius, imo. So don't give up your own interpretation. It's what makes the song special to you and is as valid as anybody else's take on it. Mark E. (yet again) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:27:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: Joan Baez njc < I've seen her many times, have even converted that South Subject: RE: homosexual affair? I think you're so right Catherine. The Killers' music seems to belie their dark themes. I like the Brightside video . . . the singer's so . . . ? . . . strange maybe . . . mesmerizing . . . charistmatic and still cold as ice, very handsome but kind of pretty, feminine . . . I've only known of these guys a few weeks, and I'm more intrigued by them than any new group in a while. I certainly never had so much fun listening to a bouncy tune about a pervert/stalker/voyeur! ;) David - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 2:09 PM To: David Henderson; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: homosexual affair? --- David Henderson wrote: > >Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:24:45 -0500 > >From: Deb Messling > >Subject: Re: Joni Trivia > > >Okay, this one I know: Two Grey Rooms. > > >>At 07:07 AM 1/29/2005, you wrote: > >>Which of Joni's songs is about a homosexual > affair? > >>Mark in Sydney > > Oh my God! I had no idea! Two Grey Rooms is one of > my five or six all-time > favorite Joni tunes, but I never had any idea it was > about a gay romance. > It would have meant even more to me when I first > heard it if I had known. > Still, it sort of messes up my internal video of the > song. What will I do? > When I was in my early 20's, I worked with a > never-married woman named Dona > in her mid-70's - a delicate yet strong little woman > who always wore her > steel-grey hair in a ponytail. A regal presence, a > real intellectual, and > unfortunately, a person of real sadness. I adored > her and would have done > anything to make her happy. She kept everyone at > quite a distance, but > every once and while, I felt like she let me slip in > a bit. I've always > imagined this was her story, ever since the very > first moment I heard it. > Wait, I've never had a clear vision of the man, > never really cared about > him! Maybe it's a woman she watches . . . maybe it's > a lesbian love story. > Okay, I feel better now. > > I take these things too seriously, I fear . . . > David The beauty of Joni's songs is that they can mean different things to different people, or different things at different times. I didn't know about the Fassbinder story either until I read it here (if I read it here, it must be true, heh-heh) and so I figured that Joni was writing, as an older woman, about someone that she had either had an affair with many years before, or perhaps just wished she had. It's a universal sort of a theme that could fit many scenarios. And the person telling the story could be a voyeur, in fact - viewed a certain way, it could be kind of creepy. > NP The Killers, Mr. Brightside (I have no idea what > this song is about, but > I love the way it sounds and have to hear it about > 20 times a day!) And speaking of creepy, the Killers' songs do tend to be very dark, even if they don't sound that way musically. "Jenny was a friend of mine" is about someone who murdered his girlfriend, sung from the point of view of the murderer, although, as I understand it, the girl was for real and was a friend of the songwriter. I think "Mr Brightside" is about a voyeur or a stalker. He's either someone who used to go out with someone who is now seeing someone else; or she's fooling around on him; or, he has never even spoken to her but watches her with some other guy; or, she is his girlfriend, but he's imagining that she's with someone else because he's so jealous. Any of those. Their songs tend to be about stalkers, murderers, perverts and other nice people like that. Heh-heh. So, yeah, their lyrics are open to many interpretations. ===== Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:42:47 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Drip, drip, drip (really njc) Jimmy said <> Oh my god, Jimmy -- you have the hots for him, too??!! Although wouldn't Joni, as the meat in the sandwich, get it the way?? lol, walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:04:29 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: A dirge?! Garret wrote: > That's interesting as Blue seems to be the one that > people get. I loved it > immediately, with the exception of Richard which i > took as self-indulgent, > tune-less dirge. A dirge?! Oh Garret, you have wounded me deeply . . . I am at an utter loss for words. Okay, I'm over the 'utter loss for words' part now. I think 'Richard' is such a brilliant, brilliant reflection of one moment in time, one flash of clarity - a reflection of that moment when you realize you have to resign yourself to the fact that there is no perfect solution to some situations . . . BTW, I prefer the live version . . . perfect three-minute drama. Joni deserved a Tony for that one. Walt wrote >I'll forget you, I will! >And yet you are still >Burning inside my brain >Romance is mush >Stifling those who strive >I'll lead a lush life >In some small dive >And there I'll be >While I rot with the rest >Of those whose life are lonely, too... Wow, I never made that connection. I think you're on to something here, but the emotional quality of each song seems so different, but maybe that's the point. David NP The Killers, Mr. Brightside (again!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:03:44 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: Drip, drip, drip (really njc), weather channel Have had the hots for Bill for years. And noticed, sadly, a few years ago when he started wearing a wedding ring. Been singing "Wedding Bell Blues" for him for forever. "Marry me Bill", do anything for me, to me, with me Bill. heheh. mack np: Daryl Hall - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Drip, drip, drip (really njc) > Jimmy said > > < Stormy Weather sung by Joni > Jim Cantore from the weather channel>> > > Oh my god, Jimmy -- you have the hots for him, too??!! Although wouldn't > Joni, as the meat in the sandwich, get it the way?? > > lol, > > walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:09:46 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: dippin' into recipes for guacamole and an artichoke heart thing too NJC --- mags h wrote: > Guacamole > > two avocados....ripe but not too ripe, ie not too > mooshy > chopped garlic > dijon mustard > mayo (real) > squeeze of lemon > The guacamole I make is based on what my bro-in-law, a real authentic Mexican :-) makes. You just mash the avocaco, add some chopped up onion and some lemon juice and that's about it. Mmmmm. > Artichoke hear thing > > 14 ounce jar of artichoke hearts See, when I hear "artichoke", I think of "heart, he choke" and I just don't want to eat 'em. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:26:46 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: homosexual affair? now the Killers and most definitely njc --- David Henderson wrote: > I think you're so right Catherine. The Killers' > music seems to belie their > dark themes. I like the Brightside video . . . the > singer's so . . . ? . . > . strange maybe . . . mesmerizing . . . charistmatic > and still cold as ice, > very handsome but kind of pretty, feminine . . . > I've only known of these > guys a few weeks, and I'm more intrigued by them > than any new group in a > while. I certainly never had so much fun listening > to a bouncy tune about a > pervert/stalker/voyeur! ;) > > David The singer's name is Brandon Flowers. I think your description is perfect. My daughter is obsessed with them. She has saved so many pictures of him on our computer that it's just nuts. When they were in Toronto not long ago, she had pics taken of her with a couple of the band members, but not Brandon, who seems to have disappeared somehow after the show, or managed to get into the bus without passing by the fans. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:25:00 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Travelogue corrections Mark from Seattle, in a reply to my post, wrote: "To me the original 'Down To You' has always sounded like a piece of chamber music to begin with. I think she was able to articulate everything she wanted to in the orginal. I don't think it would benefit from an orchestral treatment." On further reflection, I agree with Mark. Plus, it had a pretty significant amount of orchestration the first time around. Moreover, I forgot to live up to my own assertion that I recognized the importance of Joni still feeling comfortable with the songs she picked. I could understand her reluctance to revisit the 'pick up station' concept at this point in her life. Mark continued " 'Magdalene Laundries' is another one that also seems somehow too intimate for orchestration, imo." Perhaps that is so, too. However, I feel she did a great job on Cherokee Louise, which is another intimate one. I'm glad we agreed 'Banquet' and 'Harry's House/Centerpiece'. And on the general gist - being one of appreciation and gratitude. One retraction, too. My criticism of Just Like This Train called for Joni to do almost exactly what she actually did do. I accept an F- for that analysis. Still, what I meant to say was that I felt the need for more movement in that song than was delivered. More on the rhythm, less on the brass. It's obvious Joni's really fond of that song - it's been a staple of hers, selected for her TV appearances, PWWAM and now T'log. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:32:30 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: potatoes, bidatis -- njc Lots of native Bostonians say 'bidatis' too, Garret, probably because of the huge Irish influence on the Boston accent -- or aspects of it anyway. My mother still says 'bidatis', but I would be more likely to say 'potatoes' in public if I wanted to be understood, or not shamed and run out of town by the anti-Boston-accent crowd that has moved in over the last few years. (Although since I have moved back to the area, my old accent is coming back gangbustiz. At first I was horrified. I have accepted it, though, and I now think of speaking with a Boston accent as my way of fighting globalization and uniformity in general. So there! Plus, if I ever really want to hear R's pronounced I can just call Jody.) Anyway ... You say potatoes, I say bidatis You say tomatoes, I say tamatiz Potatoes, bidatis, tomatoes, tamatiz Let's call the whole thing off! Wicked pissa to see you on the list again, Garret. Your presence keeps reminding me that I have to check out Patti Smith one of these decades. - --Smurf, who once was told by an Irish guy that 'Murphy' means 'spud' in the Irish Gaelic. (Is that true? Am I, like, named after the original Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head? Or am I just a Potato Head for believing this guy?) - --- Garret wrote: > GARRET (who can't help you with tandoori chicken > but knows a thousand ways to > serve potatoes, or bidatis as we say in ireland) > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:55:11 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Boids (njc) Walt wrote: > I went > out on my back deck and collapsed > on a chaise longue, weeping. First, a red petal > from some plant blew in > from somewhere and danced around over my head before > it finally zigzagged down > onto my chest. I looked up at the sky and said, > "Thanks." Then a > ruby-throated hummingbird came down (to examine the > red petal?) and proceded to check me > out from a foot away, from several angles -- it may > have only been a few > seconds, but I was transfixed and it seemed to go on > forever. Then he flew away. > I looked back up at the sky and said, "I *said* > thanks!" > > Just thought I'd share that. I'm glad you did, Walt. It's a beautiful story. Your story has a lot in common -- in a very odd and synchonistic way -- with one Mark told a few years ago. Maybe he can forward it to you or repost. That's another thing I love about this list: from Joan "Schecky" Baez to stories like this in about two seconds. - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page  Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:17:34 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: New Orleans Jazz fest Line Up 2005 (LONG) Hi Kids Here it is in all it's glory, the 2005 New Orleans Jazz Fest Line Up and it's the best one we have had for along time. Check it out at: http://www.nojazzfest.com/schedule/index04.html Highlights for me of course are: Dave Matthews Band Nickle Creek James Taylor Elvis Costello Meters Reunion Here it is! Enjoy) Best Paz Friday Friday, April 22 Cowboy Mouth, Steve Winwood, Artist TBA, Wilco, Buckwheat Zydeco, Ozomatli, Zap Mama, John Mooney & Bluesiana, George Huff, Don Grusin presents the Hang w/ sp. guests Pete Escovedo & Alex Acuna, Tribute to Louis Armstrong featuring Marcus Belgrave, Donald Harrison, Bernard Allison, Sonny Landreth, Steve Riley & the Mamou Playboys, Jeremy Davenport, Susan Cowsill, The Anointed Jackson Sisters, New Orleans Allstar Music Tribute, Terrance Simien & the Zydeco Experience, Boogie Kings, George French, John Boutti, Carol Fran, Bruce Daigrepont Cajun Band, Olympia Brass Band, Humble Travelers, James Andrews & the Andrews Family Band, New Bumpers Dixieland Jazz Band of France, C.C. Adcock & the Lafayette Marquis9, Willie Tee, Lil9 Stooges Brass Band, Lil9 Buck Sinegal, Lionel Ferbos & the Palm Court Jazz Band, Sean Ardoin -n- Zydekool, Tim Laughlin, Magnolia Sisters, Liquidrone, Vivaz!, Patrice Fisher & Arpa, Pocket Foxx, Us3, Harry Hypolite, Native Nation Intertribal, Gospel Stars, Cedric Watson, Vivid, Kumbuka Drum & Dance Collective, Poor Clares, Driskill Mountain Boys, Amanda Shaw & the Cute Guys, One A-Chord, Golden Star Hunters Mardi Gras Indians, Chris Clifton, Rhino, Dillard University Jazz Ensemble, The Wimberly Family, NOCCA Academy, The Clermont Jazz Falcon Band, Xavier University Gospel Choir, Chico and Rogerio Band of Brazil with puppeteer Cesar Liete, Old & Nu Style Fellas SAPC, Hazel & the Delta Ramblers, Tri-Parish Singers, Old Zion Missionary BC Choir, Creole Wild West Mardi Gras Indians, New Orleans Free School Performers . Saturday April 23 The Original Meters Reunion: Art, Zig, George & Leo, James Taylor, The Roots, Buddy Guy, Dave Bartholomew, Luciano, Irma Thomas, Shirley Horn, Bishop Paul S. Morton Sr. & the Greater St. Stephen Mass Choir, Kermit Ruffins & the Barbecue Swingers, Dorothy Norwood, Susan Tedeschi, Fishbone, Deacon John, Marc Broussard, Ellis Marsalis, Snooks Eaglin, Rockin9 Dopsie, Jr. & the Zydeco Twisters, Jhelisa, Boogie Men, Geno Delafose & French Rockin9 Boogie, New Leviathan Oriental Foxtrot Orchestra, Eric Lindell, Jelly Roll Morton: Small and Hot Combos, Lil9 Brian & the Zydeco Travelers, Wanda Rouzan & A Taste of New Orleans, Hezekiah Early & Elmo Williams, Brian Stoltz, Rob Wagner Trio, Truth Universal, Poncho Chavis & the Magic Sounds, Bobby Lounge, Rockie Charles & the Stax of Love, Los Vecinos, Charivari, Gregg Stafford9s Jazz Hounds, Last Straws, John Rankin, Beatin Path, Country Fried, Ronald Reggae, Beyond Measure, Mahogany Brass Band, Xavier University Jazz Ensemble, Wendell Brunious, Big Chief Donald & the New Sounds of Mardi Gras, Louisiana Repertory Jazz Ensemble, Phillip Manuel, ERC, Brasilliance!, Sounds of Unity, Lighthouse Gospel Singers, SUNO Jazz Ensemble, New Orleans Spiritualettes, Abundant Praise Revival Choir, Mt. Hermon BC Mass Choir, Single Men and Single Men Kids SAPCs, Watson Memorial Teaching Ministries, Funky 7 Brass Band, Young Hunters, Flaming Arrows,,and Geronimo Hunters Mardi Gras Indians, Paulin Brothers Brass Band, Randy Erwin, Big Nine Steppers SAPC, Hard Headhunters and Yellow Jackets Mardi Gras Indians, Johnette Downing, The Jackson Travelers, Lady Rollers, Undefeated Divas and Men Rollers SAPCs, Red, White & Blue Mardi Gras Indians, Clark Montessori Steel Band . Sunday, April 24 Dr. John, Nelly, Artist TBA, !El Dia Latino presentando Juanes, Victor Manuelle, y mas!, Smokie Norful, G. Love & Special Sauce, Rebirth Brass Band, Tribute to Little Walter featuring Charlie Musselwhite, James Cotton, Jerry Portnoy, Carrie Bell and Jumpin9 Johnny Sansone, Preservation Hall Jazz Band, Jazz Messengers Legacy Band w/ Benny Golson featuring Curtis Fuller, Campbell Brothers, Cyril Neville & the Uptown Allstars, Irvin Mayfield & the New Orleans Jazz Orchestra, Ba Cissoko of Guinea, Iguanas, BeauSoleil avec Michael Doucet, Chris Thomas King, Jon Cleary & the Absolute Monster Gentlemen, Swamp Pop Summit with Phil Phillips, King Karl, Warren Storm, Tommy McLain, and C.C. Adcock, Rosalia de Cuba, Big Chief Dollis & the Wild Magnolias Mardi Gras Indians, Sista Teedy & umami, NewBirth Brass Band, Carlos Nakai, Hackberry Ramblers & Friends, Trombone Woodshed featuring Troy 3Trombone Shorty2 Andrews and Curtis Fuller, Rosie Ledet & the Zydeco Playboys, Bob French & the Original Tuxedo Jazz Band, Luther Kent & Trickbag, Danza, Hot 8 Brass Band, Almas Gemelas, Balfa Toujours, Tyronne Foster & the Arc Singers, Don Vappie & the Creole Jazz Serenaders, Leigh Harris, Ingrid Lucia, Alvin Batiste, Lance Ellis, Brotherhood of the Groove, Rockin9 Jake Band, Jeff & Vida, Lil9 Freddie King Blues Band, Native Nation Intertribal, 007, The Johnson Extension, Mighty Chariots of Fire, Otis Joseph & Zamar, Hot Club of New Orleans, Tribute to Frog Joseph, Furious Five SAPC, Raymond Wiliams, Michaela y Fiesta Flamenca, Uptowner Hobo Clowns SAPC, PinStripe Brass Band, Black Feathers Mardi Gras Indians, John Lee & the Heralds of Christ, , Hammond Strawberry Jammers, Voices of Distinction, Roy Roget & the Sons of the Bayouneers, Olympia Aide, Divine Ladies and Untouchables SAPCs, Dimensions of Faith, Ninth Ward Hunters Mardi Gras Indians, Unstoppable Gospel Singers, Electro Rock with Adam Jupiter and Ray McCadney, Kayla Woodson, Basin Street Sheiks, Intercollegiate Gospel Choir . Thursday, April 28 B.B. King, Jack Johnson, Nickel Creek, Los Hombres Calientes, Clarence 3Gatemouth2 Brown, the subdudes, Papa Grows Funk, Clarence 3Frogman2 Henry, Donavon Frankenreiter, Heath Brothers featuring Jimmy Heath, Albert 3Tootie2 Heath and Percy Heath, Howlin9 Wolf Tribute featuring Eddie Shaw, Hubert Sumlin and Henry Gray, Banu Gibson & New Orleans Hot Jazz, Barrett Sisters, Mary Griffin, Sunpie Barnes & the Louisiana Sunspots, Walter Payton & Snapbeans, Benjy Davis Project, Kim Prevost w/ Amina Figarova, Coco Robicheaux & Spiritland, Savoy Family Cajun Band, Tom 3The Blues Man2 Hunter, Charmaine Neville & Friends, Morning 40 Federation, Roland Guerin, Bluerunners, Storyville Stompers Brass Band, Easter Rockers, Jeremy Lyons & the Deltabilly Boys, Treme Brass Band, Drums & Tuba, Corey Ledet, Ellipsis, Harold Batiste & AFO present The Next Generation, Red Stick Ramblers, Al 3Carnival Time2 Johnson, Willie West, Rudy9s Caribbean Funk, Clancy 3Blues Boy2 Lewis, Sheba Kimbrough, Leviticus Gospel Singers, John Ellis, Lost Bayou Ramblers, New Orleans Jazz Vipers, UNO Jazz Ensemble, Waylon Thibodeaux, Kid Simmons9 Local International Allstars, June Gardner, Communion, G La Beaud, The Coolie Family Gospel Singers, Stephen Foster9s MidCity Jazz Studies Ensemble, New Orleans East Steppers and Bon Temp Roulez SAPCs, New Wave Brass Band, Greater Antioch Full Gospel Choir, Gregg Martinez, Rosalie 3Lady Tambourine2 Washington, Smitty Dee9s Brass Band, Friendly Five Gospel Singers, Bester Singers, McDonogh #35 Gospel Choir, Mondy Hip Hop Spirit Dancers, New Zion Trio Plus One, New Orleans Quarter Shanty Krewe, Algiers Steppers SAPC, Leviticus Gospel Singers, Chakula Cha Jua Theater Company . Friday, April 29 Better Than Ezra, Widespread Panic, Randy Newman, Marcia Ball, Jamie Cullum, Artist TBA, World Leader Pretend, Tab Benoit, Louis Hayes & The Cannonball Adderly Legacy Band, Ledisi, Henry Butler, C.J. Chenier, Doc Cheatham Memorial Jazz Band featuring Nicholas Payton, Trumpet Woodshed featuring Maurice Brown and Marlon Jordan, Ted & Sheri, Dwayne Dopsie & the Zydeco Hellraisers, Cootie Stark, Debrecen Dixieland Jazz Band of Hungary, Charles Neville Quartet, New Orleans Ragtime Orchestra, Frankie Ford, Bryan Lee & the Blues Power Band, James Rivers Movement, Tondrae, New Orleans Klezmer Allstars, Martha Redbone, Dora & the Zydeco Bad Boys, Jim McCormick & the Full Band, David Egan, Zion Trinity, Kim Carson, Kirk Joseph9s Backyard Groove, Tony Green Gypsy Jazz, Los Sagitarios, Mark Braud, Linnzi Zaorski & Delta Royale, Golden Wings, New Orleans NightCrawlers Brass Band, Goldman Thibodeaux, Fred Sanders & Trinity, Eh La Bas, Bamboula 2000, Imagination Movers, Saaraba, Michael Skinkus & Moyuba, Higher Dimensions of Praise, Southern Wonders, Syc A Mo9s Jass Band, Executive Steel Band, St. Joseph the Worker Mass Choir, NOCCA Jazz Ensemble, Coolbone Brass Band, Lady Rulers, Lady Sequence and New Generations SAPCs, White Cloud Hunters Mardi Gras Indians, Lyle Henderson, Original Four SAPC, SUBR Jazz Ensemble, Mr. Richard, Lockport Chapter Mass Choir, Young Louisiana Voices Collective, First Church of God in Christ United Radio Choir, David Rhodes & Assurance . Saturday, April 30 Dirty Dozen Brass Band, Dave Matthews Band, Anthony Hamilton, Elvis Costello, Galactic, Toots & the Maytals, Evangelist Shirley Caesar, Ike Turner & the Kings of Rhythm, Allen Toussaint, Roy Haynes 80th Birthday Celebration, Nicholas Payton, Madeleine Peyroux, Theresa Andersson, Walter 3Wolfman2 Washington & the Roadmasters, Wayne Toups & the Zydecajuns, Astral Project, Old Crow Medicine Show, Dr. Michael White & the Original Liberty Jazz Band, Marva Wright & the BMWs, The Dixie Cups, Big Sam9s Funky Nation, Drink Small, Germaine Bazzle, Willis Prudhomme & Zydeco Express, Raful Neal Jr., Johnny Sketch & the Dirty Notes, Glass House Reunion w/ The Original Dirty Dozen Brass Band, Thomas 3Big Hat2 Fields, Washboard Chaz Blues Trio, Fredy Omar con su Banda, Topsy Chapman & Solid Harmony, The Malvinas, Los Calientes, Kidd Jordan-Al Fielder & IAQ, D.L. Menard, The Elements, Big Al Carson9s Rare Connexion Band, Young Tuxedo Brass Band, Allen Fontenot & the Country Cajuns, Panorama Jazz Band, Clive Wilson & the New Orleans Serenaders with Butch Thompson, Tornado Brass Band, Chivere, Bobby J & Stuff Like That, John Mahoney Big Band, Franklin Avenue BC Mass Choir, Los Babies, Loyola University Jazz Ensemble, Rocks of Harmony, Water Seed, Thais Clark, Original Big Seven, Original C.T.C. and Secondline Jammers SAPCs, Mohawk Hunters Mardi Gras Indians, Palmetto Bug Stompers, Percussion Inc., Soul Seekers, Second Nazarine Church Choir, David & Roselyn, Inspirational Gospel Singers, Valley of the Silent Men and Dumaine Street Gang SAPCs, White Eagles Mardi Gras Indians, Val & Love Alive Fellowship Choir, Lady Jetsetters SAPC, Providence BC Mass Choir, SUBR Gospel Choir, Allah Batu presents Bantaba, Jazz Peter & the Wolf, Storyville Stompers Brass Band, N9Krumah Better Boys and Pigeon Town Steppers SAPCs . unday, May 1 The Neville Brothers, Trey Anastasio, Isaac Hayes, Steel Pulse, Los Lonely Boys, The Radiators, Michael Franti & Spearhead, Pete Fountain, Tribute to John Coltrane featuring McCoy Tyner, Ravi Coltrane, James Carter & Charnett Moffett, Karl Denson9s Tiny Universe, Sister Rosetta Tharpe Tribute featuring Maria Muldaur, Marcia Ball, Tracy Nelson, Angela Strehli and sp. guest Irma Thomas, North Mississippi Allstars Hill Country, Slide Summit featuring Roy Rogers & the Delta Rhythm Kings with Lil9 Ed, John Mooney, Bob Margolin, and Drink Small, Terence Blanchard, Euricka, Nathan & the Zydeco Cha Chas, Anders Osborne, Eddie Bo, Aaron Neville, Sherman Washington & the Zion Harmonizers, Maggie Warwick & the Louisiana Hayride Band, Dr. Charles G. Hayes & Cosmopolitan Church of Prayer Choir, Bonerama, Jean Knight, Rising Star Fife and Drum Corps, Reggie Hall, Creole Zydeco Farmers, Lil Rascals Brass Band, Umbria Jazz Melbourne / Francesco Cafiso & Harry Allen Quartet, Red, Black & Blue Mardi Gras Indians featuring Big Chief Monk Boudreaux, Paulette Wright & Volume of Praise, Otra, Jambalaya Cajun Band, Dukes of Dixieland, Leah Chase, Spencer Bohren, T-Sale, J. Monque9D Blues Band, Jo 3Cool2 Davis, Belton Richard & the Musical Aces, Jamil Sharif9s Jazz Professors, The Revealers, Terence Higgins & Swampgrease, Connie Jones, Tribute to Sweet Emma Barrett and Billie Pierce, Amy Trail, Irie Dawtas, Melody Clouds, Ritmo Caribeqo, Zulu Male Ensemble, Jazz Tribute to Norman Dixon, Naked on the Floor Orchestra, Irene Sage, Heritage School of Music, Andrew Hall9s Society Brass Band, Harvey Spiritual Gospel Singers, The Crown Seekers, Helen Carter & the New Orleans Harmonettes, Original Lady Buckjumpers and Westbank Steppers SAPCs, Highsteppers Brass Band, Wild Tchoupitoulas and Trouble Nation Mardi Gras Indians, Judy Stock, Lady Prince of Wales, Nine Times and Original Prince of Wales SAPCs, Real Untouchables Brass Band, Eric McAllister, Wild Apaches Mardi Gras Indians, Curtis Pierre with Samba Kids . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:23:38 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Most Artistic Songs ? Oh oh, here we go. Over the decades, Joni has produced a number of tracks that especially appeal to me on the basis of my disposition toward what I would call 'artsy' stuff. (I suspect my inclination to this is less strong than that of many others on this list, but it is not nonexistent, at least IMO). These, by their nature (and my dullness), all took a while for me to warm up to. In addition, Joni has produced a number of "bigger works" of music - longer, and/or with more orchestration, and/or with some 'breaks' or sections. I like those too. Here's my list of Joni's most 'artistic' efforts - limited to the 'smaller' kind. Chronologically The Arrangement Blue Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Lesson In Survival The Jungle Line Don't Interrupt The Sorrow The Boho Dance Furry Sings The Blues Black Crow Cotton Avenue The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey Moon At The Window Lakota The Beat of Black Wings The Reoccurring Dream ('cause Joni thinks so) Sunny Sunday Yvette in English Turbulent Indigo Last Chance Lost My list of Joni's bigger (more 'ambitious' ?) works of musical art includes: The Last Time I Saw Richard - a precursor, really Let The Wind Carry Me Judgment of the Moon and Stars Car On A Hill Down To You Harry's House / Centerpiece Shadows and Light Paprika Plains Slouching Toward Bethlehem The Sire of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) A few others (like Love and Chinese Cafe) don't quite make it into this category for me. Regarding TI (the Grammy winning album), perhaps the above blend of 'artsy' songs, including the one 'big' piece, noted above, juxtaposed with several more traditional songs some socio-political punch _Sex Kills_ (http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=SexKills) _How Do You Stop_ (http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=HowDoYouStop) _The Magdalene Laundries_ (http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=TheMagdeleneLaundries) _Not To Blame_ (http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=NotToBlame) _Borderline_ (http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=Borderline) made for just the right mix to get Joni the Grammy. The balance and variety of TI is certainly a virtue to me as a listener. Bobsart PS - more "compilation lists' to come. I was surprised at how few made it onto the compilation I dub "Our Lady of Complaints". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:52:29 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Travelogue corrections Another T'log track that no one's mentioned that I think works in a BIG way is "Slouching"...of course to be certain it's one of the standout tracks on NRH and is wonderfully nuanced in its original incarnation. But in its re-invention, the orchestral and vocal enhancements take it from the NRH setting to a larger, more apocalytic reading. The production is great, you can almost graph the way the music ebbs and flows in conjunction with Joni's lyrics & phrasing. And the brass/woodwind riff that kicks in when she sings "surely some revelation is at hand" is stuck in my head and when I hear the NRH version I always insert that riff. So that NRH-T'log track is stunning; on the other hand, I'm on the other side of Cherokee Louise from my buddy Bobsart - I was aghast that she would take a song about a teenager running away because she was sexually molested and recast it with an orchestral setting. I'm just against it on principal, it's an intimate song by definition and loses some of its intimacy here...it's not a "pretty" song, and to put it this syrupy setting just doesn't seem right. That being said, Shorter's work on the track is nice and the arrangement is great, but it feels wrong, like it should be quieter. Who knows, maybe someday I'll change my mind on this one too. Bob NP: Ani, "Little Plastic Castle" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:05:45 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joan Baez njc - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > Yep, it is funny. I always think of Joan Baez as being > very serious. Too serious. So serious she wouldn't > make a joke like that. So, it's good to hear a joke > from her. Of course, I've never seen her live and for > all I know she could be one of those people who sings > serious songs and who supports serious causes but is > also hilariously funny. Who knew? nah, Baez is a smart ass I think. Fun! I would love to meet her. My mom met her briefly in Clearwater during some Rolling THunder Revue filming - - they compared suntans. :) Em NP "Son Sun" Kate and Anna Mc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:20:37 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joan Baez njc - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > things seem to get quieter around here on the weekend, > which suggests that either people only read/post from > work (bastards!) or that they have lives (bastards!) > Or maybe they're mulling over what you've said and > thinking before responding. Funny thing about this > list, esp. lately - there's a flurry of activity for a > while, then everyone falls silent all at once. Wow! helluva flurry here! I come back online to read list posts and I have like 150 new posts! woohoo! Just amazing! Just kicking back here enjoying everyone's comments and making a tape for the car from mp3's. Am too lazy to crank up the turntable nad include vinyl, tho those always make the best tapes. Anyway, I was amazed at the # of posts! :) Em NP "Midnight Cruiser" Steely Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:26:42 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Travelogue in his awesome post of a couple days ago Bobsart said: "But Circle Game and For The Roses - while great songs - do not belong in an orchestrated setting - they are simple songs of the soundhole and the knee." omg, "songs of the soundhole and the knee" - what a great phrase! Is that your own, or did you read that before somewhere? Such a perfect way of describing the nature of certain songs. I love it! :) Em NP "On the Road to Fairfax County", The Roches ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:59:08 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: Re: dippin' into recipes for guacamole and an artichoke heart thing too NJC PS i forgot to mention, with the artichokes, it is a good idea to chop them up , or process them before mixing in the rest. Mags, suddenly craving artichokes ;-) Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:28:41 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Travelogue FTR: Remember the days when you used to sit and Make up your tunes for love and Pour your simple sorrow to the soundhole and your knee. When that came out I was in a bad place at 17 and often did just that. Though I was never destined to be seen on giant screens or at parties for the press! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Em Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 6:27 PM To: Bobsart48@aol.com; jonilist Subject: Re: Travelogue in his awesome post of a couple days ago Bobsart said: "But Circle Game and For The Roses - while great songs - do not belong in an orchestrated setting - they are simple songs of the soundhole and the knee." omg, "songs of the soundhole and the knee" - what a great phrase! Is that your own, or did you read that before somewhere? Such a perfect way of describing the nature of certain songs. I love it! :) Em NP "On the Road to Fairfax County", The Roches ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:47:04 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: RE: Travelogue - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > FTR: > Remember the days when you used to sit and > Make up your tunes for love and > Pour your simple sorrow to the soundhole and your knee. Hi Richard, oh yeah, ok, now I know why that line sounded so familiar. FTR is an album I'm taking my time getting to know. It remains a treasure trove yet unexamined in great detail, except for a couple of songs. > When that came out I was in a bad place at 17 and often did just > that. glad it was (is?) healing for you. Playing was crucial for me a long time ago too. Used to have a big black hat with a band made of braided old guitar strings. :) em ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:23:32 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: njc political survey http://www.politicalcompass.org/ for some reason I come out very left wing and anti authoritarian - go figure Vince Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -6.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.28 Muskegon: my once and new home: Catch the Wave with a new Muskegon web site http://www.co.muskegon.mi.us ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:41:05 -0500 From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: Two Grey Rooms Was not about an affair, but more the longings of an older man who (for lack of a better word) "stalks" a construction worker. He rents a room near the site, and watches the man to come the site daily. Now that is work! Nyrogrl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:42:22 -0500 From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #40 JOni appears as a black vet from Nam in her video. Nyrogrl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:43:09 -0500 From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: joni as a black man In vietnam, as Beat of Black Wings on video. Nyrogrl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:43:28 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joan Baez njc >I always think of Joan Baez as being very serious. Too serious. So serious she wouldn't make a joke like that. So, it's good to hear a joke from her. Of course, I've never seen her live and for all I know she could be one of those people who sings serious songs and who supports serious causes but is also hilariously funny. Who knew?< I once thought of her that way (serious) & for good reason. She was a dedicated activist (& I think remains so) as well as a singer back in the day. Speaking of back in the day, she was the one that got us holding up our matches/lighters at Woodstock- a cutting edge moment that now has become clichid. Anyway, I saw her in concert several years ago (maybe more than several) after not seeing her since those long ago woodstock days. She was light & funny & blew the entire perception I had of her as oh so serious totally away. Kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:04:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms Mark >Joni has also said that what the song means to you is what is most important. There are many of her songs that have come to have specific meanings for me that refer directly to things in my own life. That's part of her genius, imo. So don't give up your own interpretation. It's what makes the song special to you and is as valid as anybody else's take on it.< after all these years & all this living & all these songs... what you say that joni says is so true... the art of joni is that she is able to touch & write from the core which is like a river that runs through all of us... the place where the personal & the universal are the same... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:18:14 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Guacamole njc My favorite food! I agree with mags that it is really an art form so you have to do this to taste not math... haas avos are the best & yes they should be soft but not mushy... chop them up but not enough to take away the lumps... I prefer sour cream to mayo... yes lemon is critical as is salsa (you asked for a recipe but there are so many good products in my area that I rarely make it from scratch- however cilantro is crucial)... garlic & onions are good but if you find a good fresh salsa they are in it already... Mags wrote: >two avocados....ripe but not too ripe, ie not too mooshy chopped garlic dijon mustard mayo (real) squeeze of lemon< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:59:34 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: a season for nonviolence njc Join me as I carry the vision of compassionate activism for global healing I invite you to become a part of a season for nonviolence opening ceremony Sunday January 30, 2005 64 ways, 64 days to practice nonviolence http://www.agnt.org/ please check the above link for information on global involvement in this 64 day long season for nonviolence. Day One:Today, I will reflect on what peace means to me. Nonviolence begins by learning how to be less violent and more compassionate with ourselves. We learn by building the courage to speak and act with a respect, honour and reverance for our own being. from the 64 ways list: 1. Courage Eleanor Roosevelt has urged, "You must do the things that you think you cannot do." Practicing these 64 ways will challenge you to do the things you think you cannot do. Today, light a candle and accept the courage to practice the 64 Ways of living non-violently. now me: It is easy for those of us who speak and understand this language, the language of peace. I know that I am preaching to the choir with my efforts for all of us to embrace nonviolence in our day to day life. The challenge, as put forth by a daughter of one of the victims of September 11th who spoke at this evening's opening ceremonies, is to reach across the table to someone who does not necessarily share in our view and listen and try to understand what it is that motivates, and propells forth a person, a nation to go ahead with the war in Iraq, or embrace other ways of violence and to think that it is somehow okay, that they are justified to do so. In the name of what? What has it solved? What are the implications ? Why did the war go on, and why is it continuing, despite the countless hundreds of thousands of people who protested before the war happened. Remember that day? Remember the gushing with pride feeling in your chest when you saw your country step up to the plate. And so tell me this. Why did 'they' go to war anyway, despite our efforts to persuade them not to? Why is violence seen as a solution? If we attempt to understand, is it possible to learn how to speak a language which will bridge the gap? What can we do differently to affect change? What can you do in your life to bring peace ? as Ghandi said, be the change you want to see in the world. Mags, with peace and hope in my heart, in all ways. Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:12:44 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: potatoes, bidatis -- njc --- Smurf wrote: > I now think of speaking with a Boston accent as my > way > of fighting globalization and uniformity in general. > So there! Plus, if I ever really want to hear R's > pronounced I can just call Jody.) I think you should embrace your accent - who wants to sound like everybody else? There's nothing I enjoy more, when I'm with certain people, than putting on a hoser accent. There are certain people I just do this with, without even thinking. They're all people from northern Ontario and they all have weird senses of humour too. On the other hand, I think I always start talking like whoever I happen to be with at any given time, so it's probably natural to try to sound like everyone else. I once worked with someone that I just assumed was Canadian until one day I heard her speaking, with a very English accent, to someone else in the office who was English. I said, "Wow, you really do the English accent well" and it turned out that she was from England but when she came to Canada, she was trying out for a job with CBC Radio and they didn't want someone who sounded TOO English for the job, so she was able to change her accent very quickly. Not many of us can do that. If we all sounded the same, the world would be very boring and we would need to find other ways to put one another down apart from someone else's crappy, low-class accent. ARRRRRRR! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #42 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)