From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #36 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 27 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 036 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JOTMAS on Travelogue [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Joni 45's? on JMDL? [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] Re: Albums that grew on you [tantra_apso ] Re: NOW - Rufus... WAS- Albums that are growing on you... STILL njc [tant] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #25 [StDoherty@aol.com] jonifest, sisotowbell ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: JOTMAS on Travelogue [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] joni mitchell tribute record ["Marianne Rizzo" ] the Joni gift ["Marianne Rizzo" ] a joni gift ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: NOW - Rufus... WAS- Albums that are growing on you... STILL njc [Cath] Re: joni mitchell tribute record [Smurf ] Re: cliches? ["Steven Polifka" ] RE: the Joni gift ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE: NOW - Rufus... WAS- Albums that are growing on you... STILL njc ["Kat] vljc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Both Sides Now ["Ruth Davis" ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20First=20Al=20the=20Great,=20then=20Tinky=2 0?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Winky,=20now=20THIS!!!!!=20(njc,=A0=A0=206969)?= [] (njc) You say "Carpe diem", i say, "Hey, was that a Canadian swimming upstream?" [Justalittlebree] Re: the Joni gift [Lori Fye ] Re: joni mitchell tribute record [Lori Fye ] Easier to cover Leonard Cohen than Joni? "Yes" says Kate McGarrigle... [] Records to Die For ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] njc [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Easier to cover Leonard Cohen than Joni? "Yes" says Kate McGarrigle... [Em ] a fitting tribute? (njc) ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Re: John Gorka (njc) [Michael Paz ] Re: John Gorka (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Gershwin's World ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Hayley Westenra in Concert, and BNS [Justalittlebreen@aol.com] Re: Hayley Westenra in Concert, and BNS ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Hayley Westenra in Concert, and BNS [Smurf ] Re: Hayley Westenra in Concert, and BNS [hell ] Re: Gershwin's World ["Mark or Travis" ] The NAMM Report (VLJC) Long ass post [Michael Paz ] RE: Westenra and jerry notaro njc ["hell" ] Re: njc [Randy Remote ] Delivery service mail ["Wallykai" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:28:57 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: JOTMAS on Travelogue I for one, adore the version of The Dawntreader on Travelogue. It was never a standout track for me until Travelogue. The maturity of Joni's voice seems to connect the past with the present like no other recording. A sense of being lost in the memories. Mark in Sydney. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:42:33 EST From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: Joni 45's? on JMDL? Hello I was surfing the JMDL site but no mention of the 45 in the Discography I know this is a trivial but does seem important to me right know. Brian please feel free to email me with any info. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:02:46 +0000 From: tantra_apso Subject: Re: Albums that grew on you My first was THSOL which I loved. I then bought the previous releases and loved STAS and C&S but wasn't keen on the others. I then bought Hejira and gave up with Joni. Then in 94 during a manic episode, I bought all her albums on cd, TI had just been released. Now Hejira ranks as one of my faves. I have tried to like Mingus and DJRD but don't, tho DJRD has tracks I like. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:58:28 +0000 From: tantra_apso Subject: Re: NOW - Rufus... WAS- Albums that are growing on you... STILL njc FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > I've tried to like his singing, >but I'd rather stick Colin's knitting needles in my ear > Hands off! No one touches my needles. (Addi Turbos -German made-not Audi Turbos as someone thought!) - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:15:07 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #25 In a message dated 01/26/2005 3:05:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: What is the crap about DED? Why do you folks get your underwear in knots over this? She wasn't boo-hooing? She didn't have heartache so you couldn't relate? Well put! But I think this time you've gone to far ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:37:56 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: jonifest, sisotowbell That was sweet Laura. >>>Jonifest is wherever two [or] more are gathered in her >>>name. >>Loved that Catherine. >Hi Woman, >You ought to love it because your house is a pretty much a constant >jonifest by this definition. I think you two should petition your city to >change >the name of your street to Sisotowbell Lane. It fits the atmosphere much >better than the current name, and we need a "real" street named that so it >doesn't just have to be an acronym. Love, Laura _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:46:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JOTMAS on Travelogue **I for one, adore the version of The Dawntreader on Travelogue. It was never a standout track for me until Travelogue. The maturity of Joni's voice seems to connect the past with the present like no other recording. A sense of being lost in the memories. Dawntreader & Flat Tires are the 2 T'log tracks that are greatly enhanced by their revised versions. Dawntreader lyrically just calls out for more musical colors than the STAS version afforded, so it's wonderful to hear them. Bob PS: My spell-checker wanted to change 'Dawntreader' to 'Anteater'! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:47:25 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: joni mitchell tribute record From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >After hearing Holly Near & Cris Williamson's take on Tea Leaf Prophecy. . >. . okay, I can't stop talking about this cover. . . when I saw the captivating Cris Williamson in concert last year I told her how much I liked how she and Holly Near sang this song. . . If you have not heard this cover try to get to it. . . If you don't already apprecitate joni's masterpiece here, you may soon. . ps. Holly Near is coming to Rochester in the spring. . so I am going to get to see her too! (Bree too!) She is terrific. Love zmarianne _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:57:30 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: the Joni gift How to give Joni Let me count the ways. . . How does a jmdl'er find themselves giving away joni cd gifts? Let us count the ways. . . I will start: I missed my hair cut appointment the other week and I felt bad. .. so, yesterday when I had my rescheduled appointment I gave my terrific hair "dresser" (Lucy) a Joni BLUE cd. I told her I was sorry adn this was an "I am sorry gift." (of course it gave me a chance to say a few words about Joni.) he heheheh just an excuse to spread the joni blessing. . . Love Marianne How about you? How do you spread the Joni gift to unsuspecting persons? XOXOOXOX ps. I saw eleven cardinals at my bird feeder yesterday. six males and 5 females. . all at once. . .wow ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~ _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:59:06 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: a joni gift ps. Lucy said she was going to listen to Blue on her way home form work! _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 07:31:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NOW - Rufus... WAS- Albums that are growing on you... STILL njc --- Smurf wrote: > On one hand I agree, CFT, but on the other I know > that > I am often intrigued by what other people 'get' in > an > artist or a work of art that I when I don't see it > or > even care for what I do see. > > As for "you either like someone's style, or you > don't," I don't think it's that easy either. Tom > Waits, for example. I love him and don't care much > for > him. But I am intrigued by what other people like > about him. > > I think this is probably the case with a lot of > singer/songwriters because I can think of lots of > them > who have voices that other people often comment upon > negatively. Like Joni's. > You may have a point - on your head! LOL! I'd be more inclined to listen to an artist again (give 'em another chance) if someone whose opinion I otherwise respected had lots of good things to say about them. On the other hand, it's not something I want to spend a lot of time on, since time grows ever shorter and there are too many other fish in the sea and other cliches of that ilk. I suppose there is a big difference in your asking someone to explain why they like someone, as opposed to them trying to force you to listen and like, cuz how could you be so stooopid not to like them, so listen dammit, until you *get* it! I do have love/hate relationships with some artists. Tom Waits, since you mentioned him, is one. He has the most bizarre voice I think I've ever heard. You sure wouldn't call it pretty. In fact, it's like the voice of the monster beneath the bed! And yet, he writes some of the most amazing songs. I have Holly Cole to thank for making me pay him more attention. Now I love his voice, even if it is scary, but it also makes me laugh. Ani Di Franco is another. I didn't care for her voice at all when I first heard her, but her lyrics really got to me and now I've grown to love her voice (kind of - it is still pretty weird!) I don't even want to talk to people that don't like Joni. Although there are elements of her singing that sometimes grate on my ear (less now than once upon a time, even though she has always been my goddess), I just won't listen to anyone who disses her, mostly because they don't know what they're talking about (heh-heh). And I've been beaten over the head with Dylan's greatness and will admit there are some lyrics that do get to me, BUT, I don't see the greatness and doubt I ever will (but I never said never). This is one situation where no one can talk me into it. If I ever DO get Dylan, it will be on my own (and I wonder if I'd ever admit it to anyone, because I think I'm too stubborn for that.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 04:52:17 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: joni mitchell tribute record Marianne wrote: > when I saw the captivating Cris Williamson in > concert last year I told her > how much I liked how she and Holly Near sang this > song. . . > Nearly perfect, isn't it. The only thing that tarnishes it for me is their pronunciation of "Hiroshima." They say it the correct way (HiROshima), whereas Joni says it the way her character (in the song) would say it (HiroSHEEma). Why do people take it upon themselves to mess with Joni's perfection? - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:25:39 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: cliches? "Richard Flynn" wrote: >Even though I had / have most of the same political positions as Joni, the >songs on DED are full of clichis and not exactly sophisticated political >analysis--even for pop songs. (edit)it's just not that good: <<<<<< "David Henderson" wrote: >That's pretty harsh, guy, and I completely disagree. ..(edit) >We don't get to rock out with Joni enough! >I'll get off my soapbox now. >David Please dont!!! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:26:31 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: the Joni gift a>How about you? >How do you spread the Joni gift to unsuspecting persons? >XOXOOXOX I'm not as brave as you..I've never given..other than a die-hard fan.. a Joni cd. I have thought about it.. but I don't want her..Joni.. to be rejected. I do bring Joni's name up whenever I can. (and I'm really missing her because my cd player in my car is out of commission) I just remembered ..other than family I should have written.. because this past summer.. the woman who posed this question and I went down south (Frankfort,Ky) to visit my aunt. With us we brought eight new Joni cd's gift wrapped. Each cousin was to pick one cd. We figured doing it that way each of my cousins would get the Joni cd that was meant for her. That was a lot of fun and Marianne's sweet idea. Bree >ps. I saw eleven cardinals at my bird feeder yesterday. >six males and 5 females. . all at once. . .wow > >~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~ ~~ >~~~~~~ > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:11:12 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: NOW - Rufus... WAS- Albums that are growing on you... STILL njc I saw Rufus (thanks to the Rufus talk on this list) about 2 years ago when he played at a small theatre here. I really loved his show & his personality & his voice. Not enough to buy his music though. Which means little since I have not bought anyone's music in quite some time (overdue for Patty Griffin's new one & the Mindy Smith record). I love theatrical music but in the context of theatre, not really on CD. Although I love T'Log & did from the first listen, but perhaps that is because it is more like a movie soundtrack. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:58:09 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: vljc Mack wrote: >Where is our >champion? I hope he or she appears soon or we are lost and still they die >for >'freedom' upon the oil slick while millions, millions, millions, spent on >the >folly of inducting the bastard while the hungry stay that way, the needy >stay >that way, and I work like the much written about dog to pay the bills, >while >serving humanity. >Sickened this day. yeah, me too. "The strong doing what they can. . . . the weak doing what they must. . . . _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:12:28 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: Both Sides Now Hello, Alain! In the third verse, Joni seems to me to be talking about things that she once found important, that she once thought she knew. She is questioning that knowledge. Her emotional reactions (tears, fears, pride), her goals and ambitions (dreams and schemes) her ideals of how life should all seem hollow, distant and meaningless, like faceless crowds milling around at a circus. The friends who perhaps shared her old vision of life disapprove of her because she has changed by becoming disillusioned with her past world view. It is almost as if she was a fairy princess, living in a beautiful but unreal world, and now the spell has been broken and she has fallen to earth. She has decided that instead of maintaining an image of how life should be, and who she should be, she will just live it out and see what life can teach her. To me, she is saying that when you know that you do not know, that is the start of wisdom. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:56:10 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20First=20Al=20the=20Great,=20then=20Tinky=2 0?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Winky,=20now=20THIS!!!!!=20(njc,=A0=A0=206969)?= In a message dated 1/22/05 2:53:15 PM, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > So which cartoon character do you fancy? > Hey, Colin, I always liked Johnny Quest's two gay dads, and , in a perverse kind of way, Ned Flanders, who has dubious distinction of being both a hunky cartoon and (in both good ways and bad ways) Christian. Also on the Simpsons with a good build is Groundskeeper Willie, although he's supposed to be ugly, which I don't see, but I guess chaqu'un a son gout, cartoon-wise. This may be getting a little too PG-13 for some of the jmdlers (althopugh i might point out that any straight guys who had salicious thoughts about Jessica Rabbit can get off their high unicorns *right now*), so I'll stop here. best to all, real or just drawn that way, walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:15:48 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: (njc) You say "Carpe diem", i say, "Hey, was that a Canadian swimming upstream?" In a message dated 1/22/05 1:01:03 PM, Catherine wrote In Canada, we have CARP and it's > that's not a suitable acronym, then I don't know > what is. They haven't invited me to join yet so I suppose > in Canada, I'm not old. Smurph replied: > Maybe you're just too much of a curmudgeon > (curmudgeonette?) for them, Catherine. > Now, me: Isn't a curmudgeon just a Canadian sturgeon (hence "CARP", from "Carpe Diem!", lit. "Fish of the Day!" or [dial.] "Grab that fish!", "You dropped a dime on the carpet!" , etc.) Sorry, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:23:12 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: the Joni gift > How about you? > How do you spread the Joni gift to unsuspecting persons? Right at the end of last year I bought TBOS for a young friend (Kristin, 28) who I've known since she was 2 years of age, and had it shipped to her in Oregon. I figured she might like the "theme" of that collection. Haven't gotten a review of it yet. Either Kristin hated it, or she's still absorbing it. I did tell her she could exchange it for something she might like better, and she may have done that. (Mental note to self: ask her.) I'm planning to buy another copy of the same thing for my cousin Lauren, 17. Lori, with a new gmail address that WORKS! ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:26:43 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: joni mitchell tribute record Here's a link for the Cris & Holly recording: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000AINR2/103-2825077-2992612?v=glance Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:38:52 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Easier to cover Leonard Cohen than Joni? "Yes" says Kate McGarrigle... http://www.smh.com.au/news/Arts/In-love-with-Leonard/2005/01/26/1106415655318.html?oneclick=true >>Bruce Elder explores why so many musicians want to put their spin on the words of the melancholy troubadour. Australia has an intriguing connection with Leonard Cohen. "In the summer of 1960, visitors to Hydra included a poor young Canadian poet and folk guitarist named Leonard Cohen, who gave his first formal concert at Katsikas's grocery store. Concerned about his poverty, the Johnstons had him to stay for some time in the spare room; later, when he managed to find a cheap house to rent, Charmian and George gave him a large work table, a bed, and pots and pans for his new home" wrote Nadia Wheatley in The Life and Myth of Charmian Clift. The importance of this coda in any attempt to understand the influence of Leonard Cohen is simple. In 1960, when Bob Dylan was only 19, and nearly two years before Dylan would get his first record deal, Cohen was already carving out his niche in a grocery store on a Greek island. He was 25. He was a poet and writer first and a folk singer second. He was not a product of the 1960s. He was an older singer/songwriter removed from the fashions of his time. Cohen turned 70 last year. His career has been complex and unusual. He is widely known by the not-entirely-jokey description as "the man who writes music to slit your wrists to". He has never had a hit single. He was 34 before he released his first album, Songs of Leonard Cohen. His greatest commercial successes have occurred when women, notably Judy Collins with Suzanne and Jennifer Warnes with First We Take Manhattan, have taken his songs, liberated them from Cohen's sandpaper-rough vocals, and found in their poetry and melodies works of beauty. So what is it about Leonard Cohen? What makes him so special that he is loved by musicians, even those who would never claim him as an influence, and some of the greatest singers and singer/songwriters are happy to bend their talents to the great man's songs? Think about it. Suzanne - that most exquisite of all the Cohen songs, with its mesmerising, surreal images of a girl who feeds you tea and oranges which come all the way from China, who wears rags and feathers, and who takes your hand and shows you a world where the sun pours down like honey on the lady of the harbour. Over the years it has been recorded by people as diverse as Tom Rapp's Pearls Before Swine, Peter Gabriel (who rarely ventures anywhere near other people's songs), Neil Diamond, Joan Baez, Nina Simone and Nancy Wilson. Why? What makes it so special? Cohen achieves that most elusive of all literary conceits. He uses language so successfully he creates images that are at once believable but never rooted in the real world. In this sense he is a myth maker, an illusionist, a timeless gypsy troubadour who wanders into town and sings songs that evoke a world which exists beyond the horizon in the land of plausible dreams. He belongs in Carnivale rather than The Grapes of Wrath. How magical is the image of a girl who takes your hand and leads you into a wonderland where you realise that "you've always been her lover" while she touches your "perfect body / with her mind"? It certainly is far removed from Britney, Beyonce and Baby Spice. Cohen is a great writer of love songs. He is also a great writer about religion, sex and death. In other words the great poetic themes are dealt with in Cohen's songs and they are written about in a fresh and original way. But there are two other reasons for Cohen's appeal. Every budding singer/songwriter will blather about how Dylan has been a great influence. Only the most discriminating, and the most left-field, of songwriters - Nick Cave, Rufus Wainwright, Jeff Buckley, Suzanne Vega, Peter Gabriel - cite Cohen as an influence. He doesn't appeal to everyone. His vision is restricted to a deeply introspective, overtly literary and melancholy cognoscenti. And there is a very special secret embedded in his songs. Like the great Cole Porter and Irving Berlin classics, Cohen's songs can be endlessly reinterpreted without losing their special magic. There is always an element of Cohen in every interpretation but every singer can come to the Cohen canon and place their own, unique vocal stylings on his songs. In 1995 a truly remarkable album, Tower of Song: The Songs of Leonard Cohen, was released. Apart from having an impressive line-up of artists - Elton John, Don Henley, Bono, Billy Joel, Sting, Peter Gabriel, Aaron Neville, Suzanne Vega, Willie Nelson, Tori Amos, Trisha Yearwood - its great distinctiveness lay in the fact that every musician took a Cohen song and turned it into something they could have written. Perhaps the most original of all the versions was Sting's reading of Sisters of Mercy which, with the help of the Chieftains, he turned into an Irish dance number. Willie Nelson turned Bird on a Wire into a dusty country number, Don Henley made Everybody Knows sound as though it was an outtake from Hotel California, Bono found an electronic rap and metallic dance rhythms inside Hallelujah, Tori Amos turned Famous Blue Raincoat into, well, a Tori Amos song, and Peter Gabriel offered a fiercely emotional and beautiful version of Suzanne which sounded as though he had written it himself. Against such a background it is not surprising that a diverse range of musicians - Rufus Wainwright, Teddy and Linda Thompson, the Handsome Family, Kate and Anna McGarrigle, Nick Cave (and, in the English and US versions, Laurie Anderson) - have formed an informal company to sing 31 Cohen songs in Came So Far For Beauty. As Kate McGarrigle explains: "It started two years ago in New York City to celebrate Canada Day. There have been three performances so far. The other two were in England. You can cover Leonard Cohen's songs in lots of different ways. I think part of the attraction was that they were looking for a Canadian and it's easier to cover Leonard Cohen songs than it is to cover Joni Mitchell songs." She adds with suitably wry wit: "In the actual execution of the song you don't have to have a great vocal range. All you have to have is a memory for all the lyrics." It may actually be impossible for a great musician to do a bad version of a Cohen song. They are songs which reach out and invite talented musicians to find their own meaning and to imbue them with new and personal levels of nuance and subtlety. Came So Far For Beauty - An Evening of Leonard Cohen Songs, part of the Sydney Festival, is at the Opera House on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:44:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Records to Die For Each year Stereophile puts out its Records to Die for List. Included this year, among Let It Bleed, Dark Side of the Moon, Pet Sounds Live, Fotheringay, and even Midy Smith's One Moment More is Shadows and Light. I wish I could type in the entire description, but I can't. But he somes it up by: "One of the best live recordings of all time." Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:51:18 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: njc Today's news, 36 Marines killed in Iraq today- There is nothing I can do, I sit in my cubicle and look at the news while I should be working and I wonder if my son was among those killed today. Or injured. If not my son, the children of others are dying and casualties. If grief passes me by it is only to stop on someone else, a musical chairs of death. Is it my son serving in a military prison doing those things - is he one killing the women and children and innocent men - is he laying on the side of the road shattered by an IED - is someone pointing a gun at him now - is he pointing a gun at someone - does he see the stupidity and evil in war, or has he accommodated to his situation by going gung ho. My little baby boy who I held in my arms and sang to, the boy who held by hand and said we were heart to heart, the boy that said he was my future, he is a man warrior Marine. Maybe he is my future in having given me a wonderful grandson, the joy of my life - there are implications there that scare me so. The baby boy who was so gentle, who was so kind, who was so compassionate, is a man Marine warrior. People are shooting to kill him and he is shooting to kill people and 36 Marines died today and is he alive? Is he dead? Every time the phone rings one heart pauses - is it a telemarketer of junk or is it that phone call that says what I don't want to hear. And my feeling sorry for myself in my condo all warm and safe and well fed is so guilty compared to the parents and children of Iraq who live their hell in totality while I live it only internally. God when will you save the people. Vince Muskegon: my once and new home: Catch the Wave with a new Muskegon web site http://www.co.muskegon.mi.us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:05:24 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Easier to cover Leonard Cohen than Joni? "Yes" says Kate McGarrigle... ...from the article about Leonard Cohen that Brian passed on to us: >"In the > summer of > 1960, visitors to Hydra included a poor young Canadian poet > and folk guitarist > named Leonard Cohen I love those pictures from then. He was truly gorgeous, (and remains so), I think. I think those are the pics in the Leonard Cohen songbook if I remember correclty - the greek pictures. > Why? What makes it so special? Cohen achieves that most > elusive of all literary conceits. He uses language so > successfully he creates images that are at once > believable but never rooted in the real world. yep, he gives one pictures. Pictures almost narcotic in their ability to hold at least my ass down and make me listen and lap it up and want more. > Cohen is a great writer of love songs. He is also a great writer > about > religion, sex and death. In other words the great poetic themes are > dealt with > in Cohen's songs and they are written about in a fresh and original > way. I've always appreciate what I interpreted as Leonard's willingness to suffer. and then I think its Kate McGarrigle (who I love too) saying: > "In the actual execution of the > song > you don't > have to have a great vocal range. All you have to have is a memory > for all the > lyrics." I guess I kinda don't agree. For example if you are gonna wail on "So Long Marianne", I think you *do* need a helluva range! Hey Brian, thanks for passing on that article! :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:07:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: njc Actually, it may be greed that saves us. The conservatives and hawks said nothing but hooray when we invaded Iraq. But now that we are going into our third year, no WMD's have been found, and Bush has asked for another $80 billion, there are grumblings from the right being heard. Even Bill O'Reilly was complaining last night about how much this is actually costing. Of course, he's counting dollars, not bodies. And notice when they do mention how many killed, it is always American body count. Jerry Vince Lavieri said: > Today's news, 36 Marines killed in Iraq today- > > There is nothing I can do, I sit in my cubicle and look at the news > while I should be working and I wonder if my son was among those killed > today. Or injured. If not my son, the children of others are dying > and casualties. If grief passes me by it is only to stop on someone > else, a musical chairs of death. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:33:24 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: a fitting tribute? (njc) I'm marking this NJC, but thinking I shouldn't... Next Friday (February 4) marks five years since Wally Breese passed away. He's been on my mind quite a bit lately. I feel like I should mark the anniversary somehow, but I'm not quite sure how. I'm open to ideas, suggestions, etc. We miss you Wally. You live on in our hearts. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:23:07 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: John Gorka (njc) Hi Walt- You haven't heard shit till you hear Jack Neilson do that song. He does a couple of Gorka songs REALLY well. Best Paz > Kate B. said: > > < both with incredible voices & incredible songs>> > > Amen to both of those, although I only know one of Gorka's (but it's a > killer): I Saw an Angel With Your Hair, possibly the most devastiting > having-been-dumped-and-more-or-less-losing-one's-mind song ever written. > First time I > heard it (I have it on a Wyndham Hill folk sampler from '89 called "Legacy: > A > Collection of New Folk Music"), I was later found in a fetal position, > drooling. Later, I was able to explain that no, that wasn't my *normal* > fetal-and-drool reaction to life, but my specific reaction to that song. > > Does anyone, Kate or otherwise, know anything of his career the last 15 > years? Discography? > > Best, > > Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:44:25 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: John Gorka (njc) What's up with Jack these days, Michael? His CD is so damn good. My cubicle mate at work put together a slideshow of his wedding pictures, and asked me for song suggestions. I sent him Jack's "Shine On Our Love" and he loved it and used it for his slideshow. http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/jackneilson Bob NP: Bright Eyes, "Gold Mine Gutted" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:55:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Gershwin's World Gershwin's World has just been released in SACD. From Sound and Vision's review: Joni Mitchell's pair of Lady Day impersonations are strained............ Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:10:16 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Hayley Westenra in Concert, and BNS On the listings for one of our four PBS stations in the SF Bay area (KCSM, at 9:30 PT, for any Bay Area listers who may want to catch it) lists: Hayley Westenra in Concert (2004) ...presents the 17-year-old Nez Zealander performing in Wellington. Selections include "Pokarekare Ana", "River of Dreams", "Mary, Did You Know?", "Who Painted the Moon Black?" and "Both Sides Now". Any of our Kiwis (Helen?) know Ms. Westenra? Is she Maori? I'd be curious to hear more about her, and may tape the program sight unseen in any case, and will be happy to share if anyone else is interested. Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:16:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Hayley Westenra in Concert, and BNS She is very popular here on this side of the world, also Walt. Especially popular with women. She's sort of a male Josh Groban. Jerry Justalittlebreen@aol.com said: > On the listings for one of our four PBS stations in the SF Bay area (KCSM, > at > 9:30 PT, for any Bay Area listers who may want to catch it) lists: > > Hayley Westenra in Concert (2004) > > ...presents the 17-year-old Nez Zealander performing in Wellington. > Selections include "Pokarekare Ana", "River of Dreams", "Mary, Did You > Know?", "Who > Painted the Moon Black?" and "Both Sides Now". > > Any of our Kiwis (Helen?) know Ms. Westenra? Is she Maori? I'd be > curious > to hear more about her, and may tape the program sight unseen in any case, > and will be happy to share if anyone else is interested. > > Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:24:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Hayley Westenra in Concert, and BNS A Freudian slip. I meant a FEmale Josh Groban! Gerald A. Notaro said: > She is very popular here on this side of the world, also Walt. Especially > popular with women. She's sort of a male Josh Groban. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:31:40 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Hayley Westenra in Concert, and BNS Jerry wrote: > She is very popular here on this side of the world, > also Walt. Especially > popular with women. She's sort of a male Josh > Groban. Josh Grobin is sort of a male Josh Groban. - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:32:52 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Hayley Westenra in Concert, and BNS Jerry wrote: > A Freudian slip. I meant a FEmale Josh Groban! > So did I. - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:01:37 -0800 (PST) From: hell Subject: Re: Hayley Westenra in Concert, and BNS Walt wrote: > Hayley Westenra in Concert (2004) > > ....presents the 17-year-old New Zealander performing in Wellington. > Selections include "Pokarekare Ana", "River of Dreams", "Mary, Did You > Know?", "Who Painted the Moon Black?" and "Both Sides Now". > > Any of our Kiwis (Helen?) know Ms. Westenra? Not personally, no ;o)! > Is she Maori? I'd be curious to hear more about her, and > may tape the program sight unseen in any case, > and will be happy to share if anyone else is interested. No, she's not Maori (at least not as far as I know, and certainly not by appearance), but of European descent. She was discovered at the age of about 14 (she was first touted as the "down-under answer to Charlotte Church) and has had a fairly illustrious career so far, collaborating with the likes of Russell Watson, Sir George Martin, Bryn Terfel and Josi Carreras. You can read more about her here: http://www.hayleywestenra.com/ Hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:42:40 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Gershwin's World Gerald A. Notaro wrote: > Gershwin's World has just been released in SACD. From Sound and > Vision's review: > > Joni Mitchell's pair of Lady Day impersonations are > strained............ Looks to me more like the reviewer is straining. Not every woman who sings jazz and has a less than pristine voice is impersonating or sounds anything like Billie. Joni certainly doesn't on these two wonderful renditions of Gershwin classics. The reviewer needs to pull his head out of that dark place it's in and either really listen to the two cuts from Gershwin's World or get some Billie Holiday cds and find out what he's talking about before he says it. Or both. Mark E. in Seattle lover of both Joni and Billie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:02:05 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: The NAMM Report (VLJC) Long ass post Hi Everybody I have been so slammed since I got back from NAMM preparing for this weekends gigs. I am working tomorrow with Patti LaBelle and Friday with Roy Ayres (who I love) Temptations Revue (DON'T ASK!!!), Pieces of a Dream, and Joe McBride (both who I am not familiar with). Sunday it's (GET THIS) THE IDES OF MARCH (OMG), Survivor (cringe although Bob Muller probably liked them in another life), 38 Special (no explanation necessary), Koko Taylor, Cowboy Crush, and Lou Gramm from Foreigner. Should be at least plenty of laughs esp. since there will be Playboy Bunnies at the show on Sunday. Anyways I digress as is my custom. I had a great time in L.A. With Kakki my eternal friend. Unfortunately my bitch Julius Mills could not be there, but we did have party animal Steve Dulson as well in attendance. We were blessed to have an invitation tp gp catch Eric Johnson's trio in concert. He was smoking. On fire. He did covers of Kathy's Song by Paul Simon, Are You Experienced by Hendrix, My Back Pages by Dylan, and A Little Bit of Me by Neil Diamond which was a gas. He is an amazing talent and I love the covers he does always and his own stuff is just stunning. We did not hang out to go back stage but I did get to talk to him for awhile the next day at the Fender booth. We could have gone to see Robert Randolph as well and I like him a lot but it was no contest for me. We had a nice little jam back at the hotel suite which was really cool and we could have had a crowd there. I caught my pal Marc Broussard at the Taylor booth as well where I made the best discovery of this years NAMM. ********************ATTENTION ACOUSTUC GUITAR PLAYERS*********************** I met the creator of the best Capo I have ever used in my life. It is by a company called G7th and it had changes my life. They are really expensive at $40 retail (street price should be about $30 which is double what most othe capos are at now), but OMG!!! The next day that the booth that is the distributer for them I was waiting to talk to the sales rep and she walks up and sez, "hi I am Waldina". She then sez "oh your last name is Paz, my last name is Paz" {jaw drop} "but no" she says "I am from Honduras". Duh!!!! "But no" she says, "my people live in San Pedro Sula" DUH!!! "But NO" she sez, "my people originally are from the department of Santa Barbara up in the mountains of Honduras". Jaw hits the floor. We need to work it out but we know we are cousins somewhere in there. It was surreal! Anyways she is gonna hook me up as a dealer so I a willing to buy them at for anyone who needs one (contact me ). Did I say these capos are FUCKING AWESOME!!!! Taylor Guitars is the runner up with their new Acoustic Electric Guitar. Korg introduced a $9000 keyboard that everyone should have two of (called Oaysis or something like that) I ran into Jon Anderson from Yes there and got to chat with him for quite awhile. My friend Jeff is his front of house engineer and Yes has never sounded better. Jeff is working my shows this week and told me Jon called him and said that he ran into more Jeff Gex fans at the Namm Show than Jon Anderson fans. Who knew?? Anyways in other Yes news we went to a concert called the Acoustic Cafi and saw Kaki King who was amzing, Bernie Leadon from the Eagles, and the California Guitar Trio who were brilliant as usual. They started playing Heart of the Sunrise by Yes and of course I swooned. I was thinking to myself that while Kakki and I were enjoying medication time down in the lobby of the Hilton before the aforementioned concert I had seen Jon Anderson waling out the front door with acoustic guitar in hand. I was dreaming that Jon may happen by the show that were at and hear the amazing version of the song AND JUST ABOT THEN HE WALKED ON STAGE. OMG!!! I love my life sometimes. What a blessing to hear that angelic voice with 3 amazing guitar players. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!! I ran into some folks who do all the inlay work for PRS Guitars and Taylor and many others. They were very into Joni Mitchell stuff which was the theme all weekend amongst many of the people on the show floor as well as the concerts we attended. We were at the Acoustic Cafi concert with Lisa Haley (and some of the Zydecats including her husband Andy on bass and Carlos "Chuck" Alvarez on guitar). Chuck is a huge Joni fan and was telling us about some folks up in the mountains where he lives (between Palm Springs and LA) that do mini Joni Fests/Tributes there quite frequently. We are going to try to contact these freaks and assimilate them!!!! LOL!! We had a great jam with Lisa, Andy, Kakki, Steve, and myself in Kakki's home on Saturday night after a wonderful dinner at some high fahlootting restaurant (I ATE BEEF OH THE HORROR!!!!) in downtown LA. I have forgotten so many details about the weekend so I hope Kakki and Steve post their versions as well cause I am not as good a story teller cause I am stream of... Well you know. Lots of freebies, lots of old friends, lots of cocktails, tons of music, life is a blessing. Hope more of you can be at the next one cause it may be my last, I am guiding my life towards a different direction and NAMM may not be the place for me anymore, but gosh it was a great 20 years of NAMM'S in L.A. MANY MANY THANKS to Kakki and Steve for being my family and being a great hang and support mechanism. Love you guys! Love, Paz NP-The West Wing (with Ryan Adams singing Desire) Honorable Mention NAMM SHIT ( not to be confused with Joni Shit or Kakki Shit or even Ashara Shit) The Digidesign Live Console Cubase anything they were showing Roger McGuinn Martin Guitar Steven Stills Martin Guitar The Guitar Babes at ALL the Guitar booths P.S.S. Hey LAMA Is Jimmy Smits gonna be the next Prez with Alan Alda the Vice Prez??? Just wondering..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:24:57 -0500 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The NAMM Report (VLJC) Short ass post & NJC Subject: Westenra and jerry notaro njc i've waited all my life to ask this question!!!! how is "westenra" pronounced? there's lucy westenra, the "dracula" character, and i've never known how to pronounce her last name. and this is for jerry: JERRY!!!!! i still can't mail you. i'm copying below the error massage. (sorry guys but there's no other way i can send this to jerry.) This is a collection of reports about email delivery process concerning a message you originated. 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Received: from 99-192-126-200.fibertel.com.ar ([200.126.192.99]:11780 "EHLO pc" smtp-auth: "wallykai") by avas-mr12.fibertel.com.ar with ESMTP id S1261619AbVASTV3; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:21:29 -0300 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at avas-mr12.fibertel.com.ar logged sender identity as: wallykai From: "Wally Kairuz" To: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: RE: notaro!!!! njc Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:24:40 -0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Fib-Al-Info: Al X-Fib-Al-MRId: 3395c69ea496ba67c665c4eab0c7151a X-Fib-Al-From: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:55:51 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Westenra and jerry notaro njc Wally wrote: > i've waited all my life to ask this question!!!! > how is "westenra" pronounced? > there's lucy westenra, the "dracula" character, and i've never > known how to > pronounce her last name. My phonetic spelling isn't that great, but it's WES-ten-ra, or "western-ra" - at least it is in this case, others might pronounce it differently. Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.5 - Release Date: 26/01/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:14:31 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: njc Vince, let's hope your son is okay. Let's hope that someday we will have a society that does not justify molding innocent beautiful children into estranged, violent adults. Let's hope that someday, feeding people will take precedence over conquering them. Or liberating them, or whatever it's called. I know what you mean. My grandson is 6. I wish he could stay the way he is now-but he won't. Hopefully he'll still grow up to be a decent guy. I will do my best to make that happen, as you are. RR Vince Lavieri wrote: > Today's news, 36 Marines killed in Iraq today- > > There is nothing I can do, I sit in my cubicle and look at the news > while I should be working and I wonder if my son was among those killed > today. Or injured. If not my son, the children of others are dying > and casualties. If grief passes me by it is only to stop on someone > else, a musical chairs of death. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:15:24 +0100 From: "Wallykai" Subject: Delivery service mail Before use read the help [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of guupd02.scr] ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #36 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)