From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #34 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 25 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 034 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: JMDL Digest V2005 #33 ["Graham Browne" ] Re: Peeling back another layer? now NJC ["mike pritchard" ] jonifest ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: JOTMAS on Travelogue [Em ] Re: jan 25!!!!!!! NJC [Smurf ] Re: JOTMAS on Travelogue [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: JOTMAS on Travelogue -- NJC [Smurf ] Re: JOTMAS on Travelogue [Em ] Travelogue ["David Henderson" ] Re: Peeling back another layer? ["Steven Polifka" ] Re: Albums that grew on you [Garret ] Re: broadband on power lines, was: the Killers njc [Garret ] Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #33 -- NJC [Smurf ] RE: Peeling back another layer? ["Richard Flynn" ] [none] [Alain Vande Putte ] Re: Albums that grew on you [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Peeling back another layer? ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Peeling back another layer? [Randy Remote ] Re: Albums that grew on you [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni on Time December, 1974 [Mike Friedman Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2005 #33 please has anyone heard of Judee Sill ?????? - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com] Sent: 25 January 2005 08:00 To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #33 JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 25 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 033 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Jonifest ["Laurent Olszer" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2005 #31 ["David Henderson" ] Re: my joni mitchell tribute record [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Albums that grew on you [KJHSF@aol.com] JOTMAS on Travelogue [Em ] major tom question njc [Em ] Re: The far right, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] (NJC) Another test [Lori Fye ] Re: Peeling back another layer? ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: (NJC) Another test [Catherine McKay ] Re: Peeling back another layer? [Catherine McKay ] jan 25!!!!!!! NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] broadband on power lines, was: the Killers njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" <] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 01:54:30 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Jonifest > I don't know how the brits and irish are planning to come to JoniFrance > but I > would add that Ryan Air fly to Girona / Gerona and also to Reus, which are > both an hour from Barcelona. I would be happy to show anyone around > Barcelona > and if we get the right crowd together I would be prepared to hire a car > to go > to Corbieres and back to Barcelona (or Girona airport) if costs were > shared > between passengers. > Best case scenario: Chris, Garret, Lucy, or whoever (for example) fly to > Girona or Barcelona and spend a couple of days on the razz with me. I hire > a > car to get 4 or 5 of us to Corbieres and then park the car until it's time > to > go home. I drive the others back to barcelona or girona. It's probably > (I'd > have to check) cheaper doing it this way than going by train. > How does that sound? > mike in bcn Sounds like a plan. Girona is a beautiful city and not as known as Barcelona. Do you have a bus driving licence? Where do I sign up? Laurent - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:01:30 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2005 #31 Hello Everyone - RE >>>> Did anyone else find that the Joni albums they liked least on first hearing are the ones they grew to love the most? Regards John Southport, UK >>>> Hejira came out when I was in high school. I became obsessed with Song for Sharon, but I didn't like anything else on the album. After I tired of Song for Sharon, I put the album away for several years. When I was about 21, I put it on one day, and that was it, I fell in love with song after song after song. It was so incredible, and I couldn't remember for the life of me why I didn't like it the first time around. Hejira is still one of my two or three favorite Joni albums. RE >>>>> Travelogue is not my favourite, but i certainly like it more than i expected. I wonder how the Amelia fans feel about the reworked version on T. GARRET <<<< I'm not crazy about much of Travelogue either, but I think Hejira is absolutely brilliant. It's worth the price. I swear it's what I heard in my head, from the world created by lyrics, all those years. It feels like a warm fire on a snowy night in the forest, like clarity. That recording is now my all-time favorite Joni song. David NP Emimem, Encore - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:09:30 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: my joni mitchell tribute record Hi Zach, great to hear from you again, and I'm very excited for all your upcoming Euro-adventures...wish you all the best there. Of course I flip over any and all Joni covers, and after all of the positive feedback I heard about your lovely ACOY cover I'm anxious to hear whatever you record. There are some interesting angles to Joni covers, and it's definitely a good thing that you can appreciate her ENTIRE career output and not just the smaller window that most recording artists work with. You could put together a whole 80 minutes worth of Joni songs that no one has tackled yet! Certainly lots from the 80's & 90's, even some of the 70's stuff. After hearing Holly Near & Cris Williamson's take on Tea Leaf Prophecy & Teri Lynne Carrington's Ethiopia, I would be partial to hearing some earthier and more natural-sounding arrangements of some of those 80's songs. Any way you go, please keep us posted on what's going on with you & your music. Speaking of Natalie, have you seen "Closer"?...definitely not Star Wars. I was impressed. Bob NP: Patti Witten, "Another Minute More" (my fave PW track, definitely influenced by the song "Hejira" featuring a similar riff) - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:14:40 -0500 From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Albums that grew on you Both BLUE and HISSING sat in my collection for a year before I "got" them. I bought both on vinyl, listened once or twice, trying to like them, and then put them away. Then, With BLUE, it was as if, one winter evening, my heart just opened up to it. I remember replaying Case of You repeatedly marveling at the interplay of Joni's dulcimer and James' guitar. I'll never forget that winter! I was working in a self service gas station in the middle of nowhere, Ohio, and on into the late-night, I would sit in the station and listen to Joni, and watch it snow out across the farmland from the floodlights of the gas station. With HISSING, I finally "got" it during my summer of pot smoking before my senior year in college. By the way, compared to the rat race life has become at 42, I've got to admit that I was much happier during those salad days of the gas station. "where does the time go?" Ken in Ohio - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:20:47 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: JOTMAS on Travelogue Had rejected this - for whatever reasons - its not quite as delicious in t \he conventional sense as the one on FTR. At least that was my initial impression. BUt in a way, I realize now its almost more fitting in a way. Travelogue (tho I've not heard it all) required great courage, I think...and faith. The faith of no tongue in the bell, or a waning one. Can someone tell me; are all the cuts on T'log so good? or are they only as good as the original song? Does some stuff come alive on here that really doesn't hold water in any earlier verison? Shot my Joni music-spending wad yesterday ordering MOA. But T'log might be next. Em - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:32:07 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: major tom question njc Is Major Tom by Peter Schilling about making love and having an orgasm? eh? you think? em - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:49:52 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: The far right, njc Loa wrote: It's their way or goodby.You are not allowed to have a independent thought. They watch only christen shows. All other shows are evil. Same with Movies and Music. The devil is everywhere they say. Hi Loa, I know what you are talking about... some of my friends are fear based like this. The sad part about it is the devil is robbing them of the peace, joy, and freedom to be found in Christ when one puts their trust in God rather than making their salvation dependent on their own policing and fear-based judging. In my observation, it seems this is the same type of sickness that has taken us to war in Iraq. I'm sorry about your lost friendship. I hope in time your friend can be more tolerant and loving. Sometimes people have to learn the hard way and leave a trail of destruction in the process unfortunately. Love, Laura - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:51:34 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Another test Another message to disregard. My apologies for the bandwidth. Lori - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:03:29 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Peeling back another layer? Catherine, "I think I understand." You're saying that BLUE was a glittering gift, but when she gave us DOG EAT DOG, she "laid an egg". Lama np: a light-bluegrass version of Stephanie Nicks' "Landslide" on our singer-songwriter radio station, WNKU. Catherine said, >Have you heard about the goose that laid the golden egg? That's what she's talking about. Will the next egg be golden, or will it just be... and egg? Will the next song you write be a hit and make lots of money for the record company, or will it be a dud?> - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:10:22 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JOTMAS on Travelogue --- Em wrote: > Had rejected this - for whatever reasons - its not > quite as delicious > in t \he conventional sense as the one on FTR. At > least that was my > initial impression. > BUt in a way, I realize now its almost more fitting > in a way. > Travelogue (tho I've not heard it all) required > great courage, I > think...and faith. > The faith of no tongue in the bell, or a waning one. > Can someone tell me; are all the cuts on T'log so > good? or are they > only as good as the original song? > Does some stuff come alive on here that really > doesn't hold water in > any earlier verison? I think the t'log versions of "Flat tires" and "Be cool" are far superior to the original versions. There are others that I think are equal but different, most notably "God must be a boogie man", which is fun on both T and Ming. T songs I always skip over are "Woodstock", "The Circle Game" and "For the roses" which just take TOO LONG to get there, imo; anyway, how many versions "Woodstock" or "Circle Game" is anyone prepared to listen to? ME? Not many! ===== Catherine Toronto - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:12:17 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (NJC) Another test --- Lori Fye wrote: > Another message to disregard. My apologies for the > bandwidth. > > Lori > Sorry. I can't disregard it. :-) ===== Catherine Toronto - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:19:49 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Peeling back another layer? --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > Catherine, > > "I think I understand." > > You're saying that BLUE was a glittering gift, but > when she gave us DOG > EAT DOG, she "laid an egg". > Nope. I happen to like DED. Unlike some people. It's more like, "whaddya do for a second act?" You have a hit, or a success of some kind, and then there's the constant fear that you won't be able to do it again. Or, the fear that now you've done it and there's no going back. Success could mean giving up your soul. And then, there's the pressure from the record companies to PERFORM, for them, not for you. Get out there and hustle them eggs and make some money for the company. Performance anxiety - for the artist to make something meaningful; for the handlers, to make a profit. And if you're talking about layers, it would probably be an onion. or maybe an ogre. ===== Catherine Toronto - - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 01:35:31 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: jan 25!!!!!!! NJC january 24 may be the saddest day of the year but january 25 is the most fun!!!! let's go absolutely pazzi and shriek into one another's ears! IT IS JODY'S BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! golden dimple girl and dearest late night companion: i love you! H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y *W* - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:24:14 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: broadband on power lines, was: the Killers njc Not to me. It's hard enough to keep radio frequency noise out of my TV picture. (I live close to a railroad switching yard and they use radios that cause lots and lots of snow.) If the power company puts noise into the power line ON PURPOSE it will not be a good thing for me. Ham radio operators are completely against it. A few years ago I read that the US has been criss-crossed with fibre-optic cables. They said there's 3x more capacity than we'll ever use, especially in cities. After the big companies laid the fibre they couldn't figure out how to profit from it. A neighborhood will only support so many broadband suppliers and all of the profitable areas are already saturated. The air in Manhattan in particular is so rich with radio signals that some people put thousands of dollars into getting clean power into their stereos. In spite of that, I read that Con Ed (in Manhattan) wants to put computer signals into the power lines. I don't live in Manhatan but I'm against putting electrical "hash" on the power lines. Obligatory Joni quote: >The wires in the walls are >hu-uh-uh-mming. Lama Now playing: Real Good, For Free on the BBC disc. >I read that the electricity supply board here is testing out technology that will enable broadband internet access through regular electricity socket thingys. Apparently that's a reality in some places (would it be a prejudice if i suspect that it may be one of hte scandanavian countries that has this sort of system up and running?) This can only benefit the consumer, right? GARRET> - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #33 **************************** - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:53:42 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Peeling back another layer? now NJC >>And if you're talking about layers, it would probably be an onion. or maybe an ogre.<< Shirley ogres live in lairs, not layers? as you well know. See you in France... mike in bcn np Kevin Johansen - The Nada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:00:08 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: broadband on power lines, was: the Killers njc Jim said... >>A few years ago I read that the US has been criss-crossed with fibre-optic cables. They said there's 3x more capacity than we'll ever use, especially in cities.<< Geert Lovink's 'Dark Fibre' (2002) is very good on this matter (and many others related to Internet technology and culture). mike in bcn np Robert Wyatt - Soupsongs live ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:06:28 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: First Al the Great, then Tinky Winky, now THIS!!!!! (njc, 6969) McMillan Brad wrote: > The only man a man is allowed to hug is his >father, but not for too long. Where did we get so uptight????? >brad > > Homophobia is rife and deeply entrenched. Thus men are taught from a very early age to suppress all emotions and behaviour that is considered 'feminine'. Both men and women do this to their sons and whilst women berate men for being the way they are, they have much responsibilty for teaching boys to become the way they don't want them to be as men. Girls are taught similarly although the pressure and censure does not seem as extreme. If we continue to teach boys to suppress their feminine parts, their tenderness, and encourage them to be agressive, we will continue to have the problems we have in our societies. I was appalled a few years ago to hear a lesbian friend of mine berating her son fo being a 'girl' and crying!!!!! One fo the reasons that gay men, in general, have more female freinds than male, is that as a gay man it is very difficult to have a friendship with a str8 man. They are too conscious of our diffrence and are often petrified that others will think they too are gay by associating with us. The whole gender thing is rather ridiculous. On the knitting list I mentioned, they are discussing this very thing. Someone said 'men are supposed to be men'. Of course the only thing that defines a man or a woman is their biology. The rest is just fancy and ideas forced upon us all by society. If we allowed people of either sex just to be, we could save ourselves a lot of grief. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:50:03 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JOTMAS on Travelogue **Can someone tell me; are all the cuts on T'log so good? or are they only as good as the original song? I suppose I'm not really fit to answer the question as I think JOTMAS was lessened in its T'log arrangement. Loved the FTR version, and it's all so clear and defined. On T'log it just sounds sloppy and most of the rhythm that drives the pace of the song is missing. That being said, I have learned to like most of T'log - the key for me is listening to it in a huge mix. I have both discs ripped to my hard drive, and when a T'log song comes on (out of about 600 hours of tunes on there so far) I enjoy it. But listening to a whole disc all the way through? No way - it's like a visit from relatives; one is OK, two is bearable, but any more than that and you can't wait for them to get the hell out of your house. Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "Hello Radio" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:59:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2005 #33 njc --- Graham Browne wrote: > please has anyone heard of Judee Sill ?????? > Yes. Any more questions? P.S. Please don't copy the whole digest into your post. People hate that. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:10:30 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: jonifest >Jonifest is wherever two are more are gathered in her >name. Loved that Catherine. _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 04:30:39 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: JOTMAS on Travelogue - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > But listening to a whole disc all the way through? No way > - it's > like a visit from relatives; one is OK, two is bearable, but any > more than > that and you can't wait for them to get the hell out of your house. Thanks for your candid answer, Bob. I think I understand. I also (moreso) adore the FTR version, but for some reason, when I played the T'log one by accident it sounded somehow, I dunno, soulful or something and very appropriate being sung by the somewhat weary and decimated-voiced Joni. It just put a new spin on it. thx Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 04:57:29 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: jan 25!!!!!!! NJC W writes: > i love you! > Me too, me too! I love you, too, my funny Howard Johnson's Valentine! Don't move -- I'll call tonight. XO to the nth, - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:02:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: JOTMAS on Travelogue --- Em wrote: > Can someone tell me; are all the cuts on T'log so > good? or are they > only as good as the original song? > Does some stuff come alive on here that really > doesn't hold water in > any earlier verison? Hi Em! That depends on what do you mean by 'come alive'. To me the majority of the songs on T'log have been given a new life for Joni to sing (if only she would!!!!) - you can see what she meant by her 'writing songs to grow into' and not singing 'ingenue role' songs. I love the darker songs on T'log like JOTMAS and T2ndC - - sorry that should be The Second Coming! - The Last Time I Saw Richard, Sire Of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) et al are brilliantly executed by the older more mature voice. Amelia, Hejira and ROTR are just tear-jerkers in my opinion, in terms of content and arrangement and just the way she nails them. The slight disappointments are Trouble Child in terms of voice and too grand an arrangement , but that's just my opinion. Otis and Marlena, Be Cool, Love, GMBABM, Sex Kills, The Dawntreader, For The Roses are rare gems which really gain from the expansive arrangement and the landscapes that the music create in tandem with the voice. Can you tell I love this album? Woodstock, The Circle Game lose something in translation but only in terms of overplay from the other versions so it's not without it's faults... My only problem with it is that I can't play it loud often enough... I need to live in the middle of a field with no neighbours or housemates! Much Joni Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:02:28 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: JOTMAS on Travelogue -- NJC Muller wrote: > That being said, I have learned to like most of > T'log THUD! - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:21:42 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: JOTMAS on Travelogue Huh! now that's interesting for me that you have that opinion. Maybe I will have to aquire it after all. Thanks for the input - that was very informative, and your opinion means something to me, based on stuff you've written in the past. One thing, the orchestra sounds good coming out of my speakers, and thats always a plus. Just happens to sound good on my not always so great stereo system. I'm like, sub woofer..I don't need no stinkin sub woofer! lol... Em :) - --- Jamie Zubairi wrote: > That depends on what do you mean by 'come alive'. To > me the majority of the songs on T'log have been given > a new life for Joni to sing (if only she would!!!!) - > you can see what she meant by her 'writing songs to > grow into' and not singing 'ingenue role' songs. > > I love the darker songs on T'log like JOTMAS and T2ndC > - sorry that should be The Second Coming! - The Last > Time I Saw Richard, Sire Of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) et > al are brilliantly executed by the older more mature > voice. > > Amelia, Hejira and ROTR are just tear-jerkers in my > opinion, in terms of content and arrangement and just > the way she nails them. The slight disappointments are > Trouble Child in terms of voice and too grand an > arrangement , but that's just my opinion. > > Otis and Marlena, Be Cool, Love, GMBABM, Sex Kills, > The Dawntreader, For The Roses are rare gems which > really gain from the expansive arrangement and the > landscapes that the music create in tandem with the > voice. > > Can you tell I love this album? Woodstock, The Circle > Game lose something in translation but only in terms > of overplay from the other versions so it's not > without it's faults... My only problem with it is that > I can't play it loud often enough... I need to live in > the middle of a field with no neighbours or > housemates! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:24:33 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Travelogue Catherine said >>>> I think the t'log versions of "Flat tires" and "Be cool" are far superior to the original versions. There are others that I think are equal but different, most notably "God must be a boogie man", which is fun on both T and Ming. T songs I always skip over are "Woodstock", "The Circle Game" and "For the roses" which just take TOO LONG to get there, imo; anyway, how many versions "Woodstock" or "Circle Game" is anyone prepared to listen to? ME? Not many! <<<< I agree with Catherine - Flat Tires and Be Cool are much more interesting than the originals and Hejira is priceless as I mentioned earlier (IMHO) and I think Trouble Child is very much enhanced. I think Travelogue has at least 5 or 6 excellent cuts. I wasn't completely sure I'd like this one either, so I listened to on Rhapsody, and then just bought the cuts I liked. That's how I buy most everything the last few years. Why spend the money on a whole CD until you've listened to it, right? Have a beautiful day, David NP Jamie Cullum (such positive energy if you like a little jazz/pop and a sexy, British voice) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:04:10 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: Peeling back another layer? What is the crap about DED? Why do you folks get your underwear in knots over this? She wasn't boo-hooing? She didn't have heartache so you couldn't relate? She had heartache, alright. Just listen. It was about religion, government, big business, the general population's cavalier attitude about the planet. And she was pissed off. Anger just covers up a lot of sadness. She called it as she saw it, and in my book, she was very prophetic. I could play that album today and the shoe would still fit. Quite amazing! So what if her synth sounds are a bit dated. Put on Ethiopia tonight as you look out at winter's barren trees, imagine the snow as sand and see if you don't shed a tear for the planet... Steve >>> "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" 1/24/2005 9:03:29 PM >>> Catherine, "I think I understand." You're saying that BLUE was a glittering gift, but when she gave us DOG EAT DOG, she "laid an egg". Lama np: a light-bluegrass version of Stephanie Nicks' "Landslide" on our singer-songwriter radio station, WNKU. Catherine said, >Have you heard about the goose that laid the golden egg? That's what she's talking about. Will the next egg be golden, or will it just be... and egg? Will the next song you write be a hit and make lots of money for the record company, or will it be a dud?> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:45:42 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Albums that grew on you That's interesting as Blue seems to be the one that people get. I loved it immediately, with the exception of Richard which i took as self-indulgent, tune-less dirge. It took me a couple of years to come round, and now i can't get enough of it. It is a perfect cap, intimate, to a well conceived album. Which is Joni's biggest selling album? Is it blue? C & S? Not that that necessarily says too much. GARRET NP- Nina Simone, Mississippi goddamn Quoting Deb Messling : > Unbelievably, I hated Blue when I first heard it. > > Well, after a couple of weeks of doggedly playing it, I fell in love, > permanently. > > > > At 10:55 AM 1/24/2005, you wrote: > >Did anyone else find that the Joni albums they liked least on first > >hearing are the ones they grew to love the most? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > messling@enter.net > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:55:55 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: broadband on power lines, was: the Killers njc Beginning to see the potential problems and pitfalls now now. One of the reasons it would be useful in ireland is that broadband is available only in a small few places at the moment, a few companies are rolling it out slowly, but are starting with easy to access urban areas. I live fairly centrally in Dublin and was told by all available companies that i don't live in "a broadband area". Despite this, we have a broadband connection now and i am not gonna question that:-) The electricity supply idea would be a great way to hook up teh far away rural areas. Sure, they are hte only people who have actually got full country coverage (i may be wrong, that is just an assumption not a fact) and i don't think the newer, private internet companies would want to connect the furthest reaches of the country. It wouldn't be very profitable. The elec supply board here has complete coverage as it is state sponsored, or was, or semi state. Mm, may just have to pull out the old history books (just in time for the pub quiz tomorrow night). Very well placed Joni quote Jim:-) I just don't have the knack when it comes to doing that! GARRET Quoting "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" : > Not to me. It's hard enough to keep radio frequency noise out of my TV > picture. (I live close to a railroad switching yard and they use radios > that cause lots and lots of snow.) > > If the power company puts noise into the power line ON PURPOSE it will not > be a good thing for me. Ham radio operators are completely against it. > > A few years ago I read that the US has been criss-crossed with fibre-optic > cables. They said there's 3x more capacity than we'll ever use, especially > in cities. After the big companies laid the fibre they couldn't figure out > how to profit from it. A neighborhood will only support so many broadband > suppliers and all of the profitable areas are already saturated. > > The air in Manhattan in particular is so rich with radio signals that some > people put thousands of dollars into getting clean power into their > stereos. > In spite of that, I read that Con Ed (in Manhattan) wants to put computer > signals into the power lines. > > I don't live in Manhatan but I'm against putting electrical "hash" on the > power lines. > > Obligatory Joni quote: > >The wires in the walls are > >hu-uh-uh-mming. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:37:51 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Albums that grew on you Hi all...and hopefully everyone that's feeling the blues..hang in there..good things are bound to come.. I was a late bloomer to Joni's music...twenty-one or so..on first hearing DJRD I sort of pretended to like it. I had gotten it for a Christmas present from my one of my sister's. DJRD was on my Christmas list so besides the fact it was siquomb herself ..I felt because it was a gift I had to like it..love it even. It was really until the last few years that I grew to LOVE IT. It's kind of like the intelligent/The Intellitouch guitar tuner which "feels" the vibration of the strings...I hadn't felt DJRD. Now I am in love and DJRD.. ranks maybe second behind Hejira. That's how I feel today and as it happens here ..the rank could change in the next hour. Bree >Unbelievably, I hated Blue when I first heard it. I discovered Joni when I >was only 13, and a young 13 at that, and I really loved Joni's "magic >princess trip" and the fact that she seemed so ethereal and otherworldly. >Blue was a big chunk of reality that I was too young to understand. I felt >betrayed by what I perceived as the cynicism of some of the lyrics, as well >as the change in her singing style and in what I heard as the rambling >melodies. > >Well, after a couple of weeks of doggedly playing it, I fell in love, >permanently. > > > >At 10:55 AM 1/24/2005, you wrote: >>Did anyone else find that the Joni albums they liked least on first >>hearing are the ones they grew to love the most? > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Deb Messling -^..^- >messling@enter.net >---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:40:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Her Highness Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #33 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:09:30 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #33 -- NJC Why is Joni trying to pass herself off as Lulu? - --Smurf Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:28:17 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Peeling back another layer? Even though I had / have most of the same political positions as Joni, the songs on DED are full of clichis and not exactly sophisticated political analysis--even for pop songs. I often cringe with embarrassment listening to, the way I cringe when I hear Joni protest that she's no feminist in interviews. Coupled with the ill-chosen guest stars and synth-pop arrangements it's just not that good: I can almost hear Joni respond indignantly: "You say 'You're naive!'" I reply, lyrics like this aren't up to your highest standards: "Elusive dreams and vague desires Fanned to fiery needs by deadly deeds" OR "On and on stupidity On and on the basic needs are defiled" (How does one defile needs, anyway?) OR this: "The moon was bright Like day for night And I thought of you I thought of you Dreamer No acid rain Love without pain Impossible Impossible Dreamer" On the other hand, I really like "The Three Great Stimulants." Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Steven Polifka Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:04 AM To: jlamadoo@fuse.net Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Peeling back another layer? What is the crap about DED? Why do you folks get your underwear in knots over this? She wasn't boo-hooing? She didn't have heartache so you couldn't relate? She had heartache, alright. Just listen. It was about religion, government, big business, the general population's cavalier attitude about the planet. And she was pissed off. Anger just covers up a lot of sadness. She called it as she saw it, and in my book, she was very prophetic. I could play that album today and the shoe would still fit. Quite amazing! So what if her synth sounds are a bit dated. Put on Ethiopia tonight as you look out at winter's barren trees, imagine the snow as sand and see if you don't shed a tear for the planet... Steve >>> "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" 1/24/2005 9:03:29 PM >>> Catherine, "I think I understand." You're saying that BLUE was a glittering gift, but when she gave us DOG EAT DOG, she "laid an egg". Lama np: a light-bluegrass version of Stephanie Nicks' "Landslide" on our singer-songwriter radio station, WNKU. Catherine said, >Have you heard about the goose that laid the golden egg? That's what she's talking about. Will the next egg be golden, or will it just be... and egg? Will the next song you write be a hit and make lots of money for the record company, or will it be a dud?> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:59:27 +0200 From: Alain Vande Putte Subject: [none] Hi! I'm a Belgian songwriter and I've been asked by one of our leading theatre performers/singers to come up with a translation of 'Both Sides Now'. I've done most of the lyrics but am in doubt about the meaning of the last verse (From' Tears and fears...' to '...living every day'). Anyone who is able to shed a light on this subject, you can email me at alain.vande.putte@skynet.be The more specific your analysis/interpretation the better. Thanks, Alain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:37:58 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Albums that grew on you > That's interesting as Blue seems to be the one that people get. I loved it > immediately, with the exception of Richard which i took as self-indulgent, > tune-less dirge. It took me a couple of years to come round, and now i can't > get enough of it. It is a perfect cap, intimate, to a well conceived album. That is what amazes me about this list. It is much more diverse than we think. The First Time I heard Richard ( :)) I was floored. It still floors me. It never needed to grow on me. And yet some people took to Mingus, or DJRD immediately. Someone wrote it took them time to get into For the Roses, which blew me away upon first hearing it and remains my favorite Joni album. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:55:29 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Peeling back another layer? Steve, I was only teasing so I could make a pun out of "laid an egg". I like DOG EAT DOG. I've been writing that the DED on THE COMPLETE GEFFEN RECORDINGS reveals her true intent. All of the layers make sense when you can FINALLY hear them. Lama Steven Polifka wrote: > >What is the crap about DED? > Put on Ethiopia tonight as you look out at winter's barren > trees, imagine the snow as sand and see if you don't shed a tear for > the planet.> > > <>>>> "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" 1/24/2005 9:03:29 PM >>> > You're saying that BLUE was a glittering gift, but when she gave us DOG > EAT DOG, she "laid an egg".>>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:13:35 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Peeling back another layer? Richard Flynn wrote: ... lyrics like this aren't up to your highest standards: "Elusive dreams and vague desires Fanned to fiery needs by deadly deeds" Here's my 2 cents. I guess you know she's saying no one NEEDS a candy bar but through advertising, they try to elevate a vague desire to seem like a genuine need. It's a bit wordy but I like that. I like that Joni is among a small handful of people who can "pull off" the trick of using "elusive" in a song. It's the opposite of the "enlightened farmer" school of lyric writing. ("I can't get no satisfaction". "Songs she sang to me / songs she brang to me.") >Richard Flynn wrote: ... "On and on stupidity >On and on the basic needs are defiled" > >(How does one defile needs, anyway?) > > Now Lama again. Right after the lines you quote she lists the basic needs that they lack: "good water" etc. The basic need for clean water has been subverted. Since one of the meanings for "defile" is "to corrupt the purity", I think it's grammatically correct. I like that she uses some literate text. All the best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:53:32 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: RE: Peeling back another layer? Now about those lyrics in Fiction: They sound like most ads- quick quips or catchy phrases with no substance. Perfect. She uses what she hears and relays it back. Then she weighs out (percieved) truth against (percieved) fiction. What is what? She left it to the listener to decide. And on Impossible Dreamer... Impossibley cryptic. However, day-for-night is a Hollywood term. They shoot a scene in the day and use filters to darken it to give the appearance of night. Just who was she singing to in that verse that she would use that reference, or was that evening so surreal that it reminded her of a movie? Now, was DED written about Bush? Was she THAT prophetic??? :-P Steve >>> "Richard Flynn" 1/25/2005 10:28:17 AM >>> Even though I had / have most of the same political positions as Joni, the songs on DED are full of clichis and not exactly sophisticated political analysis--even for pop songs. I often cringe with embarrassment listening to, the way I cringe when I hear Joni protest that she's no feminist in interviews. Coupled with the ill-chosen guest stars and synth-pop arrangements it's just not that good: I can almost hear Joni respond indignantly: "You say 'You're naive!'" I reply, lyrics like this aren't up to your highest standards: "Elusive dreams and vague desires Fanned to fiery needs by deadly deeds" OR "On and on stupidity On and on the basic needs are defiled" (How does one defile needs, anyway?) OR this: "The moon was bright Like day for night And I thought of you I thought of you Dreamer No acid rain Love without pain Impossible Impossible Dreamer" On the other hand, I really like "The Three Great Stimulants." Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Steven Polifka Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 10:04 AM To: jlamadoo@fuse.net Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Peeling back another layer? What is the crap about DED? Why do you folks get your underwear in knots over this? She wasn't boo-hooing? She didn't have heartache so you couldn't relate? She had heartache, alright. Just listen. It was about religion, government, big business, the general population's cavalier attitude about the planet. And she was pissed off. Anger just covers up a lot of sadness. She called it as she saw it, and in my book, she was very prophetic. I could play that album today and the shoe would still fit. Quite amazing! So what if her synth sounds are a bit dated. Put on Ethiopia tonight as you look out at winter's barren trees, imagine the snow as sand and see if you don't shed a tear for the planet... Steve >>> "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" 1/24/2005 9:03:29 PM >>> Catherine, "I think I understand." You're saying that BLUE was a glittering gift, but when she gave us DOG EAT DOG, she "laid an egg". Lama np: a light-bluegrass version of Stephanie Nicks' "Landslide" on our singer-songwriter radio station, WNKU. Catherine said, >Have you heard about the goose that laid the golden egg? That's what she's talking about. Will the next egg be golden, or will it just be... and egg? Will the next song you write be a hit and make lots of money for the record company, or will it be a dud?> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:34:28 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Peeling back another layer? Steven Polifka wrote: > Now, was DED written about Bush? Was she THAT prophetic??? > :-P Bush, Reagan, what's the difference? Same puppeteers, different puppet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:58:50 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Albums that grew on you > With HISSING, I finally "got" it during my summer of pot smoking before my > senior year in college. > Pot helped me finally get a lot of artists of that ere that I didn't before, like Jefferson Airplane, The Who, and Led Zeppelin. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:12:26 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Joni on Time December, 1974 It's actually a really bad Peter Max ripoff...Joan does not look good with a hot pink face... On Jan 24, 2005, at 9:45 AM, Smurf wrote: > Can't you just see some 70s TIme editor, most likely > smoking a cigarette, saying, "I want somebody hip, > somebody *now* to illustrate this cover with that > jazzy hippie Joni chick. You know, someone like Peter > Max." > > What struck me before the artwork itself was the > colors! Talk about 70s. > > --Smurf, who actually remembers the oranges and pinks > of the 70s better than the greys and beiges of the 90s > > > --- Catherine McKay wrote: > >> --- Smurf wrote: >>> >> > http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,1101741216,00.html >>> >>> Heaven knows I loved her 30 years ago. >>> >>> --Smurf, enjoying a SNOW DAY! >>> >> >> If that isn't 70s artwork, then I don't know what >> it. >> >> ... NOT enjoying a snow day - I prefer a no-snow day >> - >> but dammit, it's snowing AGAIN. Enough, already! >> >> However, I am enjoying a >> not-really-sick-but-didn't-want-to-go-to-work day. >> >> >> ===== >> Catherine >> Toronto >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca >> > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > ========================================= "I'm porous with travel fever, but you know I'm so glad to be on my own. Still somehow the slightest touch of a stranger can set up trembling in my bones. I know, no one's gonna show me everything, we all come and go alone. Each so deep and superficial, between the forceps and the stone." - --Joni Mitchell, "Hejira", 1976 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:22:23 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Fwd: French Jonifest registration/NJC A couple of days ago someone wrote the list asking for Jonifest info. I haven't seen a public response so I am attaching this original mail from Laurent giving some details. Laurent, it would help us a lot if you could work with Les Irvin our webmaster to put a Jonifest sign up page on the JMDL website and include all details including payment options. Thanks, Donna Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:18:35 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" To: "Joni@smoe.org" Subject: Fwd: French Jonifest registration/NJC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain A couple of days ago someone wrote the list asking for Jonifest info. I haven't seen a public response so I am attaching this original mail from Laurent giving some details. Laurent, it would help us a lot if you could work with Les Irvin our webmaster to put a Jonifest sign up page on the JMDL website and include all details including payment options. Thanks, Donna Return-path: Received: from mailbox.binkleybarfield.com ([192.168.1.47]) by webmail.bbigw.com; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 20:09:00 -0600 Received: from pm-mx5.mgn.net(195.46.220.209) by mailbox.binkleybarfield.com via csmap id 4604; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:47:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from SaintMartin (m99.net81-66-65.noos.fr [81.66.65.99]) by pm-mx5.mx.noos.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7ED3B2742A; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:59:14 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <00b601c4dd92$bb5c2b40$63414251@SaintMartin> Reply-To: "Laurent Olszer" From: "Laurent Olszer" To: , , , "Martin Giles" , , "Donna Binkley" , , "Emiliano" , , "Lucy Hone" , , , "Wally Kairuz" , "marianne marianne" , , "dsk" , "Catherine McKay" , , , , , , , , , "Mike Pritchard" , "Mark or Travis" , , "mags h" , "Les Irvin" , "colin" , "Ron Greer" , , , , , , , , "Steven Blue" , "Garret" , , "mark karan" , "Sherelle Smith" , , "John van Tiel" , "hell" , "John van Tiel" , "John van Tiel" Subject: French Jonifest registration Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:59:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Bonjour everybody, Been busy planning the event, and playing some Joni of course. The time has come to make definite reservations as the nearest B&Bs must be booked this month. I remind you the dates: August 13-15th, 2005. We've calculated the budget, the cost for the 3 day event amounts to 165 euros ($220-230 or #110). This includes: * Breakfast (including for those of you lodging in B&B's off-site) * All meals, french of course. Probably will have a buffet all day long. * Cook and helpers on duty * All equipment rental for the event (won't bore you with details) ACCOMODATIONS: A) Camping on premises: we can supply 5 tents for 2 people, so 10 campers max. Cost is 30 euros($40) total per person for all 3 nights B) Bungalows on premises: Cost is 45 euros ($60) per person for all 3 nights * lower bungalow has 4 beds * upper bungalow has 1 double bed * mill has 3 beds Naturally, those spaces are on 1st come 1st served basis (Ashara and Jerry Noraro have already reserved) C) B&B's in nearby villages: All daily rates include breakfast, may be possible to pay about 5 euros less without it since we will be providing breakfast on site. 1) Mme Tavart in Davejean (nearest village): 1 room for 3: 40 euros ($53)/room 1 room for 4: 50 euros 2) Mme Le Franc in Villerouge Termenes: 1 room with 1 double + 1 single bed: 39 euros if 2 people, 50 euros if 3. 3) Mme Bizouerne in Le Roc de Golta (near Villerouge Termenes) 1 room with 1 double bed: 43 euros 2 rooms with 2 single beds: 43 euros 1 room with 3 single beds: 64 euros All rooms have sink & shower, toilets on the same floor. 4) M. Houalet in Felines Termenes: no details available D) La Fargo in St Pierre des Champs: a charming hotel with great food and gorgeous surroundings. Rooms are very nice too. Near to where I live when I'm in the area, about 20 minutes drive to Jonifest. 64-71 euros/room + breakfast 6 euros/person. Check their website www.chez.com/lafargo/, click on the UK flag at the bottom for english. In addition to the hotel info there is plenty of info about the area. Click on "directions" for general travel info. Let me know if you want any of these and I'll make the booking for you. RESERVATIONS: Reservations for the event and for lodging can be made to me. La Fargo hotel reservations can either be made to me or directly (mention Jonifest). I'm not sure what is customary in terms of deposit. Those who can pay the 165 euros event fee now are welcome to do so. For those who would rather pay a deposit, I suppose 100 euros ($135) will do. Overseas bank transfers are expensive, so I'm offering the following options: * USA festers can wire the funds to a U.S. account at Bank of America. The account is under a cousin's name, this way he'll make 1 lump sum transfer to me and you will have no fees. I'm responsible if he runs to Havana with your deposits (LOL). * EURO + rest of the world: wire transfer to me in Euros. Please email me off list for bank account details. One last thing, if attendance is over 60 people, it may exceed the capacity of the site. Need to know ASAP so I can put plan B into action. Laurent This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #34 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)