From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #31 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, January 24 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 031 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Judy Collins Yahoo Group NJC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Vote Mingus! [John Sprackland ] Re: NJC Re: My New Theatre Production Link (No Mitchell Post) NJC [Nuriel] Re: death cab etc NJC [Garret ] NJR :The far right ["Loa Nickloy" ] my joni mitchell tribute record [Zachary Scot Johnson ] Re: First Al the Great, then Tinky Winky, now THIS!!!!! (njc, 6969) ["Ka] RE: Love or Money ["Les Irvin" ] Re: First Al the Great, then Tinky Winky, now THIS!!!!! (njc, 6969) ["K] Re: First Al the Great, then Tinky Winky, now THIS!!!!! (njc, 6969) ["K] Re: Travelogue and Amelia [Garret ] Re: Julie A. [Kate ] RE: Vote Mingus! ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Julie A. njc [Catherine McKay ] Subject: Correction ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Travelogue and Amelia now the Killer njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #30 JONIFEST [Catherine McKay ] Re: Love or Money [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Nellie McKay njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Johnny Carson RIP vljc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Nellie McKay njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: Nellie McKay njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] WTFR, Mingus ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Nellie McKay njc [tantra_apso ] Re: the Killers njc [Garret ] Re: the Killers njc and new bands that are GOOD [Garret ] LISTENING TO OUR OWN MUSIC [Nuriel Tobias ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:09:49 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Judy Collins Yahoo Group NJC I know that many of you are Judy Collins fans as well. Judy's site doesn't offer a forum (any longer) but there is a somewhat-active Yahoo discussion list, which I co-moderate. Ya'll are welcome to join. http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/judy-collins/ Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:56:25 +0000 From: John Sprackland Subject: Re: Vote Mingus! In message , "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" writes >Not all JMDLers and not all critics, either. >Neil Tesser of downbeat "got" it. Read this, because it will make your day: >http://www.jonimitchell.com/downbeat79.html Thanks, Lama - it has made my day! Boy, he really got it! Also, for further insight into the 'Mingus' phenomenon, Leonard Feather's interview with Joni (referred to at the end of Tesser's review) is essential reading. http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=95 Thanks to everyone for the Mingus postings - I'm fascinated. I guess because I fell in love with Joni through Hissing of Summer Lawns, Mingus was not as much of a shock as it might have been to those who met Joni during her Blue period or earlier. (I don't necessarily mean at that time; I mean that your expectations of an artist are fashioned by your first encounter with their work, whenever that might be.) Nevertheless, I still think it took me a year or so of listening before I really learned to love Mingus but by that time I had discovered that I didn't like ANY of Joni's albums on first hearing (with one exception*). Starting with the purchase of HOSL in.... 1977?, I had to build my Joni collection slowly because each new purchase had to be lived with before I was ready to introduce myself to another. Mingus was the first Joni album that I was ready and waiting for its release. I was delighted when I took it home and was bewildered by it - my experience with HOSL, Hejira, Blue and For The Roses had taught me that that meant that I would grow to love it! *Court & Spark was the exception to the rule - it grabbed me on first hearing... and I remain slightly suspicious of it for that reason to this day! I love it, but I worry that it is a superficial love affair based on pure sex appeal rather a deep spiritual connection between us... but, as I have gotten older, I have come to value pure sex appeal more highly than I did as a romantically-inclined teenager! Did anyone else find that the Joni albums they liked least on first hearing are the ones they grew to love the most? Regards John Southport, UK - -- Sprackland ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 04:35:07 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: NJC Re: My New Theatre Production Link (No Mitchell Post) NJC well no bob i have to visit the asylum again and maybe get myself freed. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 1/22/2005 8:12:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nurielt@yahoo.com writes: Say hi from me to your woman. (The one who wears your wedding ring, not the other one) I did - she says Hi back - but she lost the ring years ago. We did however just celebrate our 21st anniversary last week! Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:13:13 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: death cab etc NJC Quoting SCJoniGuy@aol.com: >> Hi Garret, glad you made it back...and talk about synchro!! I was just > yesterday listening to the Patti show you sent and you're right, it's a > killer > gig, very emotionally charged in points. It was just the right thing to play > for > Bush's inauguration! Safe to say that she was NOT invited to play at the > Inaugural Ball... > > Glad to hear that you've picked up on DCFC, and yes I think they are so good > > that I went for that Postal Service and love it as well. DCFC jumped labels > > to Atlantic from tiny Barsuk, so it'll be interesting to hear their next > work > (whenever that will be). You CAN bet that I'll get it the day it comes > out. > I had been enjoying two DCFC albums and was very surprised when my good friend had both on his IPOD as well as the postal service. he played postal service for me and i was really blown away. so that's another addition to the must have music list. now if i can only get him to give joni a spin.... Glad you liked that Patti gig. Of the many times i've seen her it was the only time she did a version of land.... and as an opener! Amazing. Then the whole declaration/indictment thing gets me every time i listen. At her american gigs last year patti talked a lot about the need to get out and vote. Obviously she is no fan of George W but she usually didn't tell the audience who to vote for, just to vote. There was a table, as far as i know, for registering in the lobby at the shows. (oki; got the patti stuff out of my system for the day:-) GARRET NP- Bob Dylan, All Along The Watchtower - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:34:40 -0500 From: "Loa Nickloy" Subject: NJR :The far right I wanted to see what they are thinking this far right so i decided to go with my next door neighbor.I went to the bible meeting,Sat with these people.Went to parties that sold things for as they call it their god. It was frighting,they try to brainwash you.Ever so nice they are to you.They welcome you with open arms.But.... It's their way or goodby.You are not allowed to have a independent thought.They watch only christen shows.All other shows are evil.Same with Movies and Music.The devil is everywhere they say. Now I liked this person that i went with.She had gone though a really rough time.Lost her son in law to cancer.It changed her to a person i did not know anymore. She accused me of lusting after her husband.I was and so is my husband friendly with him.She's brainwashed now.I told her i was going to look for a place to worship that suited me better.That was the end of our friendship.I could tolerate her but she could not for me. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:25:59 -0800 (PST) From: Zachary Scot Johnson Subject: my joni mitchell tribute record Hi All, My name is Zach. I don't post all that often, but love reading the posts daily. I have posted before, but not frequently. I wanted to post an idea I had and see if I got any feedback from list members about it. This is my attempt at breaking out of lurkdom, really, to be an active member of the group (I've been waiting for an excuse). I put out a CD last year called "Moment of Clarity" that included a Joni cover--I became one of very, very many who've put out a cover of "A Case of You"--and some of you may have heard it as the ever so wonderful, kind and gracious Bob Muller put it on one of the fantastic cover volumes recently, which was an honor to be included on. I'm currently living and studying in London and am nearing the halfway point of this three month experiment across the pond (and how wonderful it is over here, too!) so I'm not sure how my finances are going to hold out (if anyone knows a good producer or manager, PLEASE be in touch) but I'm hoping to put out my second mostly-if-not-all-this-time originals cd by the end of the year. The idea that I've had for after that, though, would be that my third cd would be a Joni tribute record. I'd like to do this within two or three years with the hope that Joni herself may even somehow hear it. I'm still in college, so again the financing of it will certainly be a massive obstacle to overcome, but I'm hopeful that somehow the stars will align and I'm able to do it. My questions are: how would you all respond to something like that? is it a cool idea or not? i'm limiting my audience somewhat as not everyone in the world is enlightened enough to consider Joni the genious that she quite frankly undeniably is, but I think there is AN audience for a record like this. If you had to put together a maximum time 80 minute cd of Joni covers, how in the world would one go about choosing which songs to include? I'm one of the people who loved every phase and genre that Joni involved herself in, so it's not like I'd be limiting myself to one specific era of her writing: I'd have all of it to go through and figure out. A daunting challenge to say the least. Anyways, just wanted to throw this idea out there as I never know what kind of response I'll get. If you're interested in checking out my homepage to find out more about the first album, go to: http://www.geocities.com/zacharyscot/ I don't think there's an mp3 of ACOY up, but I believe there is a link to a cover of a brilliant Patty Griffin song called 'Top of the World' that'll give at least a little indication of my style. Anyways, thanks for reading. I'd love feedback and responses. I love reading all of your posts, so thought I might contribute something for once. Best to you all. Sincerely, Zach Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:49:14 EST From: Barolo82@aol.com Subject: Love or Money "2. LOVE OR MONEY. down 61 places to number 174 (last place with zero votes in 2004!)" This is my favorite Joni song, so it now gets one vote. :~) dc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:23:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Love or Money I like the song too, Dave...I think it's low showing is not due to quality but rather to its presentation and/or general neglect, I think since it only appeared on MoA it didn't get enough exposure, unlike the other songs that she wrote and put on studio as well as live recordings. People just tend not to think of it. Probably some don't care for the arrangement (not her song of that title but the arrangement of LoM) as it's arranged similarly to Woodstock & Carey, in that mid-70's lite-jazz sanitized-for-your-protection format. Perhaps if she had put it on a studio record (as she did with Jericho which is arguably a better song anyway) it would have been re-presented and would now be better represented in the polls. In any event, it's in a different class than Dancin' Clown, second to last in the song polls because it is a truly wretched and evil thing. "Get thee behind me, demon Dancin' Clown - I rebuke thee!" Bob NP: Tori, "Past The Mission" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:36:27 -0700 From: Dennis Derkacs Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #30 How do I get information about JoniFest? Is there a web site? What is it? What groups will be there? Where? Etc? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:55:14 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: First Al the Great, then Tinky Winky, now THIS!!!!! (njc, 6969) >What I find weird is that they would attack Spongebob when there are so many frighteningly violent cartoons being served to the kids. Not to mention the junk food commercials in between, cultivating diabetes, obesity, and heart disease. There is plenty of evil crap on Saturday morning. Spongebob is one of the more harmless things out there.< Good point RR... okay I watched the video & 1) spongebob was a small part of it & 2) I saw no reference whatsoever to any kind of sexuality... I do know the teacher's manual that goes with it advises teacher's how to answer children's questions about different types of families (including being raised by grandmas & adopted & second marriages etc) by telling them it is all about the love... from what I understand the guy behind this attack on spongebob is the originator of the 'character counts' agenda (which at first seemed harmless or maybe positive) that is in many of our (at least here in California) public schools... the video makers are the folks who wrote 'we are family'... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:55:31 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Love or Money The Bobster wrote: > I like the song too, Dave...I think it's low showing is not > due to quality but rather to its presentation and/or general > neglect, I think since it only appeared on MoA it didn't get > enough exposure, unlike the other songs that she wrote and > put on studio as well as live recordings. People just tend > not to think of it. Good theory that I generally agree with. But... in regards to the JMDL Song Poll the real reason for its low ranking is that this is the one song that refuses to register votes. You can cast votes for it all day long and it'll still result in zero. A number of senior programmers have had their names removed from the door on the thirty-third floor in the air at the JMDL Corporate Tower for failing to solve this problem. We continue to work on the issue so that Love or Money will someday get its just due. Les NP: Tom McRae "Draw Down the Stars" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:59:31 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: First Al the Great, then Tinky Winky, now THIS!!!!! (njc, 6969) >So which cartoon character do you fancy?< LOL, as a child I fancied 'speedy Alka-Seltzer' & Pillsbury Doughboy' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:06:40 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: First Al the Great, then Tinky Winky, now THIS!!!!! (njc, 6969) >That's right, Colin. We have no idea what cartoon character sex is like. Who knows what them thangs are getting up to when no one's looking?< LOL Catherine, maybe someone could create a different kind of 'toy story' cartoon... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:15:12 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Travelogue and Amelia thanks Bob (and jamie) for posting this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/ram/frontrow20021206_joni_mitchell.ram" Quite interesting. Brings up the joni vs bob conversation again, which is always fun:-) Travelogue is not my favourite, but i certainly like it more than i expected. I wonder how the Amelia fans feel about the reworked version on T. GARRET NP- The Killers, jenny was a friend of mine - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:36:04 -0700 From: Kate Subject: Re: Julie A. Kate B: > Julie Andrews. I always thought her voice > had a similar timbre and clarity. "Flute-y." And she can no longer sing. So, > I wonder if there's something about the structure of similar vocal chords > that doesn't fare well over time.< I seem to recall Julie Andrews having some throat surgery or something that ruined her singing voice. Kate du Nord - -- Last Weekend in Westbank http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is, Anaos Nin? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:04:05 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Vote Mingus! John, I bought both as back issues on ebay. downbeat wasn't printed on glossy stock so they are nearly as yellowed as 25 year old newsprint. Tesser's review is in page 26 of the 9 August, 1979 issue with Johnny Griffin on the cover. If I ever make the trek to LA, I'm going to carry that issue around with me the whole time. I would trade my fricken car if I could read that glowing review of MINGUS to her in front of about 100 people. I think she'd cry. The glowing interview that you mentioned begins on page 17 of the 6 September 1979 issue. Joni's on the cover. While I'm talking about THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS and back issues, buy the February 1975 issue of National Geographic. It's a good thing Les Irvin and Jim Johanson are preserving this for web users. From: John Sprackland [mailto:john@sprackland.demon.co.uk] >>http://www.jonimitchell.com/downbeat79.html>> Thanks, Lama - it has made my day! Boy, he really got it! Leonard Feather's interview with Joni (referred to at the end of Tesser's review) is essential reading. >http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=95> >Thanks to everyone for the Mingus postings - I'm fascinated. I guess because I fell in love with Joni through Hissing of Summer Lawns, Mingus was not as much of a shock as it might have been to those who met Joni during her Blue period or earlier. (I don't necessarily mean at that time; I mean that your expectations of an artist are fashioned by your first encounter with their work, whenever that might be.)> Now Lama: Ditto. Among my first was Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. I was interested because she wrote "Woodstock". Later I found out she wrote that "ancient" song "Both Sides Now". In my mind I think I associated BSN with Woody Guthrie's "This Land Is Your Land", old guard folk. At the time, my 2nd girlfriend was an art history major. I thought Joni was a bit like ELP, Yes, Chicago, and Blood Sweat and Tears because he was putting elements of jazz into new music. (Jazz songs don't always have the depth of writing that Joni and Bob were blessed with in those days.) She had the jazz poly tonality, the folk tradition of story-telling, and the lyrical talent of the top 1%. You said,>I had to build my Joni collection slowly because each new purchase had to be lived with before I was ready to introduce myself to another.> John, you wouldn't believe how many people have said that. Those 12 albums in the middle were so rich and varied, you didn't NEED a album from Joni every 8 months. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:21:20 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Julie A. njc --- Kate wrote: > Kate B: > > > Julie Andrews. I always thought her voice > > had a similar timbre and clarity. "Flute-y." And > she can no longer sing. So, > > I wonder if there's something about the structure > of similar vocal chords > > that doesn't fare well over time.< > > I seem to recall Julie Andrews having some throat > surgery or something that > ruined her singing voice. > > Kate du Nord She did. She had either nodes or polyps (the worse of the two) and had surgery to remove them. Unfortunately the surgeon scraped off too much, resulting in Julie's losing her voice. No law suit in the world will bring that back. I am told that getting these nodes/polyps is a result of improper singing technique and that Julie should have had a proper singing teacher/coach who could have helped her avoid that. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:24:54 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Correction Yeah, you got that right. What the heck? Is RS trying to put their journalistic finger in Joni's eye again? Did Joni hand her ballot to Aaron? Is Neville responsible for the crop circles too? Can he explain the heads on Easter Island? Stonehenge? Lama np: Real Good, For Free from the Joni & James BBC in 1970 JMDL-powered CD. Joni on a big piano and Taylor on an acoustic guitar. Goosebumps. Muller said, >SCJoniGuy@aol.com said, >Their last issue featured their "500 Greatest Songs of All Time", and Joni was listed as one of the judges. Well, it seems that the ballot they thought was Joni's was actually Aaron Neville's, so Joni did not respond to their survey after all. This will probably be the ONLY time that Aaron is mistaken for Joni.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:29:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Travelogue and Amelia now the Killer njc --- Garret wrote: > NP- The Killers, jenny was a friend of mine > My daughter is a major Killers fan. She had her pic taken with some of them after seeing them here a month or two ago. In fact, I was the one who pointed out to her and her friends that the band was coming out and maybe they should come back. I had gone down to pick them up after the concert and couldn't find them anywhere, so I was rambling around the parking lot as the Killers' bus was about to load up and meanwhile Sarah and her friends were in a mobile CD-shop just outside the concert hall, chatting up the boys in there. So the kid owes me! I'm sure I know all the words to "Jenny" and most of the rest of their stuff. I was also going to respond to your high-speed/wireless post yesterday but forgot. A co-worker of mine lives on a farm about 50 km outside of Toronto and the only internet access they can get out there is standard telephone line - no cable or DSL in the boonies. One of her kids is so pissed off with the slow speed that he drives 30 km to his Dad's place to use his computer so he can chat on msn. I wonder how much gas money he spends on that? And wireless isn't really, is it? It seems that to have wireless, you really need even more wires! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:31:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Subject: Correction It's probably the helium voice that messed them up. --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > What the heck? Is RS trying to put their > journalistic finger in Joni's eye > again? Did Joni hand her ballot to Aaron? Is > Neville responsible for the > crop circles too? Can he explain the heads on > Easter Island? Stonehenge? > > Lama > > np: Real Good, For Free from the Joni & James BBC in > 1970 JMDL-powered CD. > Joni on a big piano and Taylor on an acoustic > guitar. Goosebumps. > > Muller said, > >SCJoniGuy@aol.com said, > >Their last issue featured their "500 Greatest > Songs of All Time", and > Joni was listed as one of the judges. Well, it > seems that the ballot they > thought was Joni's was actually Aaron Neville's, so > Joni did not respond to > their survey after all. This will probably be the > ONLY time that Aaron > is mistaken for Joni.> > ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:02:22 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #30 JONIFEST --- Dennis Derkacs wrote: > How do I get information about JoniFest? > Is there a web site? > What is it? > What groups will be there? > Where? > Etc? Jonifest is wherever two are more are gathered in her name. HOWEVER, there have been organized fests of all sizes and types, most notably in the last few years those that our own Ashara organized in the Boston area, and more recently in New York State. In addition, there have been other fests in the UK, New Orleans and California. There isn't going to be a big Northeast Jonifest this year. But maybe another year... IN THE MEANTIME, another of our own, Laurent Olszer in Paris, is organizing one for (near) Carcassonne in the south of France for mid-August and it sounds like it will be wonderful. I plan to be there with my two kids, provided accomodation and air arrangements work out. In addition I believe there are some 20 or more who have signed up or are about to shortly and I understand there is room for 60. There is plenty of room and, if you do a google on Carcassonne, you will see that it is a beautiful area full of mountains and castles and charm and I'm sure you will want to be there. I'm copying Laurent on this. There is a distribution list of people who previously expressed interest but not, as yet, any sort of discussion list or group. As I've never been on a real holiday in over 20 yrs and as my kids have never been on one in their lives, I have decided that EuroJonifest, as I've come to call this (ou peut-etre la Fete-Joni) is just the excuse I need to borrow a whole lot of money and take my kids to Europe, with a stop in Carcassonne, while they still live at home. I ENCOURAGE anyone who is even remotely interested in this to check it out. As far as what groups will be there, you're not likely to see anyone who is famous or well-known, but that has nothing to do with talent, as we all know. There are a great many amateur and professional-but-not-famous people on the jmdl who make great music and I know you would NOT be disappointed. As far as I'm aware, Stryngs from the UK is going to be there, as they have been at the Northeast one for the last two years. Most, if not all, of them are also jmdl members and men and women of heart and mind who make beautiful music together, whether it's a Joni cover or their own original works. check out their website here for info and streaming audio: http://www.stryngs.com/ And you can purchase their CD from CD baby, here: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stryngs I am 99.99% certain you will love their stuff and some of us eagerly await their next CD (Martin? Chris? Les? Sarah?) Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to put in the good word for Carcassonne (vive la France!) and for some of my favourite people in the jmdl world. N.P. Stryngs - Frank's song (never fails to bring tears to my eyes.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:14:00 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: the Killers njc and new bands that are GOOD --- Garret wrote: > For me the killers, the shins, keane, scissor > sisters, and franz ferdinand were > the among big newish-band musical highlights of last > year if you knwo what i > mean:-) Also loved releases from gwen stefani, jc > chasez, patti smith or course, > bjork, interpol, kanye west and others. It's > great to hear so many good bands > making the pop charts; it's not *all* britney and > jessica. The killers sort of > remind me of the strokes and new order rolled into > one, and i think they are > about to break it huge over here. One of the joys of having teenagers that have moved past the pop charts now (whew!) is that they listen to, and I therefore get exposed to, a lot of new music I might not have heard of before (not quite, because enough people here talk about bands and I do pay attention). So we're now listening to the Edge FM (102.5 Toronto) and we hear a lot of the new bands and zero Brittney, as well as a lot of really sick humour. For Christmas and birthdays, Sarah just wants clothes and CDs which is kind of easy. There's a Montreal group called The Stills that are very good too. And (The) Muse (or is it Mews?). She and her cousin are going to see a Canadian group called Metric tonight. I enjoy Franz Ferdinand too, Death Cab for Cutie, Keane, Snow Patrol... and you know there may be more. I think it's mostly thanks to you that I started paying more attention to Patti Smith again and now I can't get enough - thanks a lot!!! I was sure when she first showed up that she'd be dead within a couple of years, because she looked like this emaciated junkie, but she's probably stronger than ever and unlikely to quit any time soon. > It is very difficult to get tickets to their shows, > they just sell out so > quickly so your daughter is lucky. I think the timing was just right. She was on to them just before they really took off in Toronto and we just happened to be really early on the (dreaded) Ticketmaster site the day the tickets came out. Although not as > quickly as damian rice tix > vanish. I spent days trying to get tickets for a > recent benefit gig of his to > absolutely no avail. At first the people in > ticketmaster didn't even know that > he had a gig scheduled. One of those real "grr" > moments when they eventually > said it had sold out. See what I mean about dreaded ticketmaster? They've got the monopoly on ticket-selling but often havent' a clue what's available and what not. When I went to buy Green Day tickets for Matthew and his friend, according to the website, they were sold out but, when I called, I was able to get tickets. It makes NO sense to me if the whole thing is tied into the same database and there's nowhere to complain about it! And don't get me started on the STUPID and meaningless fees they tack on top so that what looks like a $30 ticket ends up costing more like $50. > I read that the electricity supply board here is > testing out technology that > will enable broadband internet access through > regular electricity socket > thingys. Apparently that's a reality in some places > (would it be a prejudice if > i suspect that it may be one of hte scandanavian > countries that has this sort of > system up and running?) This can only benefit the > consumer, right? I wouldn't be surprised to find it was a Scandinavian country. They're eons ahead of the rest of us in that sort of thing. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:20:35 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Snakes & Ladders 2002 to 2004 I'll play. I agree that "Judgement of the Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune)" probably fell because TRAVELOGUE has provoked mixed feelings. I like the original very much. I also like the Technicolor version on TRAVELOGUE because the theme is so big, it suits the arrangement. Now if Vince had made a big version of "My Old Man" or "Carey" I might not feel the same. On the other hand, I thought that "Magdaline Laundries" would have risen. Joni appeared on the recent version by The Chieftans. It's a song of depth that needs some years to gather the respect it deserves. I thought it would be a Ladder but it isn't. I dunno. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:12:06 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Jonifest Hi Catherine Thanks for the good word about the international jonifest. Small details for a google search: the area is the "Corbieres", also the state (french departement) is "Aude". One can also check; "cathares" for a historical background, and www.lafargo.fr for the hotel I recommend and directions. The site isn't exactly in Carcassonne, that's just one of the nearest airports along with Perpignan. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:50:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Love or Money **You can cast votes for it all day long and it'll still result in zero. Perhaps you need someone besides Diebold to make your song poll voting machines, Les. Bob, in total shock and awe at the corruption & scandal! NP: Patti Smith, "Beneath The Southern Cross" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:25:04 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Nellie McKay njc Deb Messling (who's written some great, great reviews over the years) said, >I don't know anything about pop culture anymore. Is this woman actually popular? If so, there's hope for pop music, no matter what Joni says.> Now me: I don't think she's "popular" like Britney Spears, no. She's popular like Chantal Kreviazuk in that she has one song out. Nellie is out there doing interviews. In Cincinnati, the singer-songwriter, public radio station was playing one of Nellie's song (David). Some day I'll make a single disk version without the disco influenced songs. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:16:58 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Johnny Carson RIP vljc Just opened up my browser to learn that Johnny Carson has died. Bit of a shock - I thought he'd be around forever: http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1106506597187_14?hub=topstories RIP Johnny, and here's some words from Joni: She plants her garden in the spring They do the winter shovelling They sit up late and watch the Johnny Carson show She says "I'm leavin' here but she don't go ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:19:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Nellie McKay njc --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > Deb Messling (who's written some great, great > reviews over the years) said, > >I don't know anything about pop culture anymore. > Is this woman > actually popular? If so, there's hope for pop > music, no matter what Joni > says.> > > Now me: I don't think she's "popular" like Britney > Spears, no. She's > popular like Chantal Kreviazuk in that she has one > song out. Nellie is out > there doing interviews. In Cincinnati, the > singer-songwriter, public radio > station was playing one of Nellie's song (David). > > Some day I'll make a single disk version without the > disco influenced songs. > > Lama I doubt if kids are listening to her, even though she is one. She must be an old soul. What song does she have out? I haven't heard anything, but it likely depends on where you live & what station you're listening to. Good thing I heard about her here, otherwise I never would have. What do you consider her disco-influenced songs? I can't think of any. (No relation.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:17:38 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Nellie McKay njc 1. Yeah, I think she has an old soul. I meant to say she's like Norah Jones that way; "old" people like her. She's very cynical already about the dating game for example. 2. Last year our local singer-songwriter station played "David" along with Lyle Lovett, R.L. Burnside, k.d. lang, Neville Brothers, etc. 3. I think "Waiter" is a disco-influenced track. I just sampled the first few seconds of all 9 tracks on Disc 1 and that's the only one I came up with. Maybe she has disco-influenced portions? Lama From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] I doubt if kids are listening to her, even though she is one. She must be an old soul. What song does she have out? I haven't heard anything, but it likely depends on where you live & what station you're listening to. Good thing I heard about her here, otherwise I never would have. What do you consider her disco-influenced songs? I can't think of any. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:01:48 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: WTFR, Mingus Walt wrote:>> > WTRF stodgy!!! Not a word i would have used to describe it -- she was > deleriously happy, and (my guess has always been) coked out of her mind; what, five > or six songs under 3 minutes, WTRF the song in just over 2 minutes! Hi Walt What, Joni doing drugs? Is this documented or perhaps you mean coke in an aluminium can? WTRF always struck me as she was high on love, you know "Love is the Drug". I've always accepted each Joni release as a move in a different direction. This adds to her mystery. Most of the time they coincided with my personal changes so that's part of the reason I felt a (hopeless) connection with her. For instance I adored Mingus because I was just getting heavily into jazz. At the exact time the album came out I met a gentleman from SF with whom Mingus had stayed and we became friends to this day. His ex-wife (Catherine Mulholland, the author) hated Joni I guess because she had dared penetrate the "inner circle" of jazz. When DED came out I had just experienced my 1st bitter taste of corporate america so the lp became my anthem. Etc. Hope you can join us in France. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:58:26 +0000 From: tantra_apso Subject: Re: Nellie McKay njc Catherine McKay wrote: > > >I doubt if kids are listening to her, even though she >is one. She must be an old soul. > >What song does she have out? I haven't heard anything, >but it likely depends on where you live & what station >you're listening to. Good thing I heard about her >here, otherwise I never would have. > > > I went and listened and as I heard david I thought I had found annew artists to add to my collection. Then I heard track 2 and thought the same. Upon hearing the rest of them, I changed my mind. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:17:30 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: the Killers njc For me the killers, the shins, keane, scissor sisters, and franz ferdinand were the among big newish-band musical highlights of last year if you knwo what i mean:-) Also loved releases from gwen stefani, jc chasez, patti smith or course, bjork, interpol, kanye west and others. It's great to hear so many good bands making the pop charts; it's not *all* britney and jessica. The killers sort of remind me of the strokes and new order rolled into one, and i think they are about to break it huge over here. It is very difficult to get tickets to their shows, they just sell out so quickly so your daughter is lucky. Although not as quickly as damian rice tix vanish. I spent days trying to get tickets for a recent benefit gig of his to absolutely no avail. At first the people in ticketmaster didn't even know that he had a gig scheduled. One of those real "grr" moments when they eventually said it had sold out. And in some sense you're right, wireless just means "doesn't connect to your computer" from what i can figure out, not "no wires are involved". I read that the electricity supply board here is testing out technology that will enable broadband internet access through regular electricity socket thingys. Apparently that's a reality in some places (would it be a prejudice if i suspect that it may be one of hte scandanavian countries that has this sort of system up and running?) This can only benefit the consumer, right? GARRET Loretta Lynn - Van Lear Rose (another one recommended by JMDLers; this is great) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:17:50 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: the Killers njc and new bands that are GOOD Quoting Catherine McKay : > > I think it's mostly thanks to you that I started > paying more attention to Patti Smith again and now I > can't get enough - thanks a lot!!! I was sure when she > first showed up that she'd be dead within a couple of > years, because she looked like this emaciated junkie, > but she's probably stronger than ever and unlikely to > quit any time soon. > > A-ha!! mission accopmlished. I can now quit this god forsaken moaney mitchell list and return to the patti list triumphantly. I might just get a toaster for this;-) If you enjoy patti's music even a small fraction of how much i enjoy her (translate into good english yourself) then i'm glad to have re-interested you. I see a lot of parallels between patti and joni, but that's a post for another day. > > See what I mean about dreaded ticketmaster? They've > got the monopoly on ticket-selling but often havent' a > clue what's available and what not. When I went to buy > Green Day tickets for Matthew and his friend, > according to the website, they were sold out but, when > I called, I was able to get tickets. It makes NO sense > to me if the whole thing is tied into the same > database and there's nowhere to complain about it! And > don't get me started on the STUPID and meaningless > fees they tack on top so that what looks like a $30 > ticket ends up costing more like $50. > Ditto. Why do you end up paying extra just because you use a credit card, buy them over the phone, or buy them over the internet? and it seems that more expensive tickets (e.g. elton john, cher, meatloaf, U2 etc) have even more charges than cheaper tickets. GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:50:31 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Johnny Carson passes, njc Discussing the news on Johnny Carson with my father, I told him that Carson, like my father, was in the US Navy. My father, in his best imitation of Carson says, "I didn't KNOW that!" Now you can see where I get it. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:33:47 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: LISTENING TO OUR OWN MUSIC HI NOW I DO NOT REMEMBER WHO WROTE IT (CATHERINE, MAYBE EM) - THAT A MUSICIAN LISTENING CONSTANTLY TO HIS MUSIC IS WEIRD, BUT IT WAS WRITTEN:) ANYWAY, MY POINT, IS THAT IT'S NOT WEIRD AT ALL. I DO IT. LOVE U OL' NURI Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #31 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)