From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #30 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 23 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 030 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: First Al the Great, then Tinky Winky, now THIS!!!!! (njc, 6969) [Ran] Nellie McKay njc [Deb Messling ] Re: First Al the Great, then Tinky Winky, now THIS!!!!! (njc, 6969) [col] Re: appearances (and how they can be deceiving) [colin ] Back on Board/that auld list synchronicity again [Garret ] Re: Nellie McKay njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #29 NJC [Chorando6@aol.com] Re: Back on Board/that auld list synchronicity again NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.c] Correction [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #29 NJC CBC top 50 [Chorando6@aol.com] re: John Gorka njc, ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Correction -- njc [Smurf ] RE: Joni's place on the CBC 50-Track List ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:02:17 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: First Al the Great, then Tinky Winky, now THIS!!!!! (njc, 6969) Catherine McKay wrote: > Isn't it sick that some people put SO much thought > into this stuff? It suggests to me that they are > obsessed and that's not healthy. Looking for sin and > perversion everywhere. Isn't that a kind of voyeurism? > Isn't that perverted? And isn't that a sin? > > Is it me, or what? Like a priest with a pornographic watch? Repression breeds obsession. I think this whole thing is great. It shows what small-minded fools some of these fundamentalists really are. What I find weird is that they would attack Spongebob when there are so many frighteningly violent cartoons being served to the kids. Not to mention the junk food commercials in between, cultivating diabetes, obesity, and heart disease. There is plenty of evil crap on Saturday morning. Spongebob is one of the more harmless things out there. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:29:04 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Nellie McKay njc I'm *really* late coming into this conversation, but am I ever grateful for the folks on the list who recommended Nellie McKay. I haven't been this excited by a new artist for a long time. It's certainly not "easy listening." The songs are so varied that at least one is bound to turn off someone!! I don't know anything about pop culture anymore. Is this woman actually popular? If so, there's hope for pop music, no matter what Joni says. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:31:29 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: First Al the Great, then Tinky Winky, now THIS!!!!! (njc, 6969) Justalittlebreen@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/22/05 1:24:03 AM, tantraapso@btopenworld.com writes: > > > > >>Justalittlebreen@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >> > >(Re: The silliness i wrote yesterday regarding Spngebob S, Esq., being >outed by the Christian Right, written from their point of view) > > > >>I don't get this. could you explain please? >> >> >> > >Sorry, Colin, sometimes I'm too clever for my own good -- ten years ago, the >Christian far right in this country made fools of themselves by claiming the >purple Teletubby (Teletubbies was an odd but soothing show originating in the >UK for small children), whose name was "Tinky Winky", was gay, because he >carried a purse. I am not making this up. > I know you are not. It was all over the papers. Not 10 years ago either, just a few. > The Christian Far Right > > are plonkers of the first order. There has been a very interesting BBC doc just finished here, about how the Al Queda thing and this war and the 'threat' have all been made up. Thes 'born again' morons are behind that too. I cannot abide hypocrites and thes epeople make me sick. They supposedly follow Jesus, a man said to be compassion itself and a man of peace yet these people are full of hate and fear and war. Bush, yet another one of these evil people, was responisble for for 150 plus killings by the satte whilst Governer of Texas. Blair, just as sick, claims to be a Xtain too but doesn't follow what the man he calls Lord taught. And worse, millions of other idiots idolise this evil. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:47:55 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: appearances (and how they can be deceiving) Catherine McKay wrote: >> >> >> > >First babies often don't really show until they're >just about to pop. With second babies, some of us are >as big as a house about 2 seconds after conception. > > > > This tends to be true of bitches too. The first litter, they don't look so big becasue their muscles are taught. With subsequent litters they show earleir and larger. Queens are the same. There are exceptions. My Tilly is due in a couple of weeks and is only now looking pregnant. Her first litter she was ENORMOUS and her tummy hit the floor, poor thing. This time, despite her behaviour, I was convinced she was not preganant. I had her scanned just to see what leverl of reabsorption she had reached. Far from reabsorbing, we could see 4 or 5 pulsating blobs. Until thei slast couple of days, I was still not convinced. The reason I have not been able to feel like I usually do is because they are being carried high up and her ribs prevent palpation. Tilly becomes all 'delicate' the day after breeding if she has taken. She gets a doe eyed look, a far away stare, and she refuses to jump up on anything and gets all soppy. I have had one who was sick the morning after the mating and continued with morning sickness for 3 or so weeks. Some won't eat at all so have to force fed. Some angels turn into vicous monsters and some miserrable old crones become as sweet as pie. Some get very maternal to others and some attack others. Some won't leave their babies even for the loo when they are born and others push them out, wash them, feed them and get out and only go back to wash and feed. These 'modern mums' are the easiest to handle. Those that won't leave their babes at all can cause a lot of inconvenience. some will feed until the babes are 3 or so months and others will tell em to piss off as soon as they are 5-6 weeks. (John has just called from his mothers and it is really odd listening to him speaking with a Geordie accent! He doesn't normally as he went to public (private) school and speaks without an accent, but as soon as he goes up north, it comes back). - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:53:01 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: First Al the Great, then Tinky Winky, now THIS!!!!! (njc, 6969) Smurf wrote: >Walt sez: > > > >>The Christian Far Right (SNIP) don't >>seem to realize that LACKING GENITALIA, >>cartoons can't have sex, and therefore can't be gay >> joking aside, I don't think sexuality has anything to do with genitalia. They aren't necesaary to be either str8 or gay or bi. Being unable to have sex also doesn't mean one doesn't have a sexuality or that one isn't sexual. So which cartoon character do you fancy? - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:06:14 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: First Al the Great, then Tinky Winky, now THIS!!!!! (njc, 6969) Colin asks: > So which cartoon character do you fancy? Hulk. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:15:50 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: First Al the Great, then Tinky Winky, now THIS!!!!! (njc, 6969) Smurf wrote: >Colin asks: > > > >>So which cartoon character do you fancy? >> >> > > >Hulk. > > > the green one or hulk hogan? - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:52:23 +0000 From: colin Subject: adult babies njc I am flabbergasted! One of the lists I belong to is all about handknitting and mostly populated by women. soemone asked about knititng bay clothes and what colour they should be. then someone mentioned that in the old days all babies wore dresses, to which some idiot replied that this would cause the baies to be gay and so that of course got people's backs up and somehow, I =have no idea how, we went from there to cross dressing(easy to see really) and then to adults who like to dress up as babies. Amazing. bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:31:14 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Back on Board/that auld list synchronicity again I've finally been hooked up to the internet thanks to a new roommate; he knew just what to say to those helpful people in the phone company. I had almost given up hope. Every major telecom company in Ireland told me that i don't live in a "broadband area" (there is something a little backwards about ireland sometimes). Then this guy gets it set up, wireless to boot (well, they say it's wireless but there actually are wires but i dare not complain.... my relationship with my computer is somewhat superstitious: i try not talk bad of it in case it sulks; i hold my breath and try not to move when burning cds etc, and i only half jest there;-) Moral: I can read the list regularly. I'm signed up for the french jonifest and really looking forward to it. The wind and rain here really makes me wish that someone would move august forward! A little joni-synchronicity: i was doing a training course in work yesterday and one of teh modules was around team building. We separated into pairs. One member of each pair was to talk about that one thing that other people in their lives just don't have time for. The other person was to listen, without speaking. Free reign on the joni converstaion for me then:-) The "listener" then had to repeat back to the group what we had said. It turned out that the trainer was also a joni fan and identified with other people not warming to JM as a conversation point. lol. Oki. tis good to be back on board. GARRET NP- Death Cab For Cutie, Coney Island (picked up on a recomednation from the covers king, thanks. have you heard The Postal Service?) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:20:06 -0500 From: Reuben Bell Subject: Re: Nellie McKay njc Nellie McKay opened for Cyndi Lauper for a few dates on Cyndi's "At Last" tour in 2003/4. I saw her several times, and was pretty impressed. I eventually bought her CD and fell in love with it. There's a lot of energy and talent in that album - has she released anything since then? Reuben On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:29:04 -0500, Deb Messling wrote: > I'm *really* late coming into this conversation, but am I ever grateful for > the folks on the list who recommended Nellie McKay. I haven't been this > excited by a new artist for a long time. It's certainly not "easy > listening." The songs are so varied that at least one is bound to turn off > someone!! I don't know anything about pop culture anymore. Is this woman > actually popular? If so, there's hope for pop music, no matter what Joni says. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > messling@enter.net > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:23:18 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Nellie McKay njc Hey, better late than never Deb...I don't know if this was popular or not, I'm sure the sales were OK, I don't know if it got any radio play since I don't listen to it. She's on Columbia Records, so I assume she got good marketing push, I know she had an article in Newsweek which is uncommon. And she's still a kid! Like I said, it remains to be seen if she can beat the sophomore slump. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Hoover Factory" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:52:10 EST From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #29 NJC In a message dated 22/01/2005 21:01:17 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: ... I know, I'm weird... but I'd only have been watching daytime TV otherwise! I bet you had it on in the Background. Vowel consonant consonant another vowel a consonant carol another vowel and then a consonant. 2 from the top and the rest from anywhere. Couldn't you just punch that Russel Watsons lights in. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:53:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Back on Board/that auld list synchronicity again NJC **NP- Death Cab For Cutie, Coney Island (picked up on a recomednation from the covers king, thanks. have you heard The Postal Service?) Hi Garret, glad you made it back...and talk about synchro!! I was just yesterday listening to the Patti show you sent and you're right, it's a killer gig, very emotionally charged in points. It was just the right thing to play for Bush's inauguration! Safe to say that she was NOT invited to play at the Inaugural Ball... Anyway, also excited about the French-fest and looking forward to meeting you (and hopefully lots more) for the first time. Can't wait. Glad to hear that you've picked up on DCFC, and yes I think they are so good that I went for that Postal Service and love it as well. DCFC jumped labels to Atlantic from tiny Barsuk, so it'll be interesting to hear their next work (whenever that will be). You CAN bet that I'll get it the day it comes out. Bob NP: The Strokes, "What Ever Happened?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:33:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Correction The latest Rolling Stone magazine has a Joni mention, and it's an interesting one. Their last issue featured their "500 Greatest Songs of All Time", and Joni was listed as one of the judges. Well, it seems that the ballot they thought was Joni's was actually Aaron Neville's, so Joni did not respond to their survey after all. This will probably be the ONLY time that Aaron is mistaken for Joni. Bob NP: Sonic Youth, "Total Trash" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:41:25 EST From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #29 NJC CBC top 50 Well feeling a little out in the cold and wondering what the hell you're all going on about i did a search for CBC on Google. The first page i came across was a rather stuffy homepage for CBC. I felt i should keep the noise down and take off my wet shoes before entering the building. I then back tracked and came across CBC Radio 2, found the live streaming and lo and behold they were just coming up with the top 10 pre 1960 songs with leon gomeshi. Number 1 is My Swiss Moonlight Lullaby. Dont mean nothing to me, but it may mean something to you. It was quite nice, not that memorable, but nice. A little like trail of the lonesome pine by laurel and hardy. Clive ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:28:24 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: re: John Gorka njc, I think Shawn Colvin is a fine songwriter. She chides herself but I think it's just the depression "talking". When Shawn Colvin was in Cincinnati, she was saying that she couldn't scat and couldn't play a guitar solo. It just doesn't matter. Joni flipped "Sugar Mountain" upside down but I think "Circle Game" was ! Colvin built on Gorka. If she had built a song on Gorka I wouldn't be talking about her. btw, Anne, I love your voice and songwriting. Try being an atonal computer tech among songwriters. You rock. All the best, Jim Covington, KY, US np: Reveling / Reconning (new to me this week) >Well, while I'm thinking back to then, I'll share a John Gorka/Shawn Colvin story. They were both in Jack Hardy's songwriting workshop in New York for a while. (In fact, it was after Jack Hardy visited that Geoff decided to start the workshop in the Boston/Cambridge area.) Anyway, John brought the song "I Know" to the workshop. A couple of weeks later, Shawn brought in "I Don't Know Why." She couldn't come up with an idea, but she remembered John's song. So she decided to use that as inspiration and do kind of the opposite. And that's why she wrote "I Don't Know Why."> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:55:26 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Correction -- njc Bob wrote: > This will probably be the ONLY time that Aaron is > mistaken for Joni. > Maybe not ... Maybe Aaron has already been mistaken for Joni and pinned in a corner by a certain makeout artist neighbor of his who won't take 'no' down there in New Orleans. - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:02:13 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni's place on the CBC 50-Track List Interesting thought process but is cactus tree better known than I had a king? (I had a king is the first song on the first album so I believe it is the first song I ever heard joni sing... it is also the irst joni song I learned --however I hadn't discovered alt tunings so my version was in standard-- & one I still think is masterful ) >Re: Picking one essential Joni track (long) To re-cap possible contenders: I first said: I Had a King - hauntingly beautiful, but not well known. The same could be said of Marcie. Cactus Tree? Is that her first great pop tune? Is it an essential track? Let me play devil's advocate here - and pitch for Cactus Tree: the theme of this song, the ambivalence around love, desire and commitment, is expressed so beautifully, painted with images and words - trademarks of Joni's craft. The theme will become so central to Joni's work (and will reverberate with legions of fans for decades), and here we have it couched for the first time, in an era when women were beginning to question and redefine their roles as wives and lovers. We also have her trademark open tuning on unaccompanied guitar. The singing is pure beauty: we have both her lilting falsetto and her deeper chest voice. Joni layers her own vocal harmonies over the melody line. I'm still swept up by the rhythms, the sounds and the beauty of this song every time I hear it.< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 03:33:15 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: RE: Joni's place on the CBC 50-Track List Kate said: Interesting thought process but is cactus tree better known than I had a king? (I had a king is the first song on the first album so I believe it is the first song I ever heard joni sing... it is also the irst joni song I learned --however I hadn't discovered alt tunings so my version was in standard-- & one I still think is masterful ) Good question Kate. I don't know which is better known. We know Cactus Tree was used in the film `Walk on the Moon`` that was discused on this list. I Had A King is truly lovely, but such a sad song about the end of a specific relationship. For me, its theme isn't as far reaching as that of Cactus Tree, which has something positive in the rythms and chords that uplift me, rather than make me still and quiet. That's why my pitch was for Cactus Tree. Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:37:09 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: appearances (and how they can be deceiving) >Joni did several gigs in October of 1964 and even one in November of '64. Kilauren was born in February of 1965 so Joni was 5 or 6 months pregnant in November of '64. How on earth did she manage to keep the whole thing under wraps for so long? (Maybe I just answered my own question.)< Lol mark, well in november she would have been around 6 months pregnant- more or less... some people at 6 months just don't really show that much & of course the style was empire dresses (high waste) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:23:30 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: First Al the Great, then Tinky Winky, now THIS!!!!! (njc, 6969) --- colin wrote: > Smurf wrote: > > >Walt sez: > > > > > > > >>The Christian Far Right (SNIP) don't > >>seem to realize that LACKING GENITALIA, > >>cartoons can't have sex, and therefore can't be > gay > >> > joking aside, I don't think sexuality has anything > to do with genitalia. > They aren't necesaary to be either str8 or gay or > bi. Being unable to > have sex also doesn't mean one doesn't have a > sexuality or that one > isn't sexual. > That's right, Colin. We have no idea what cartoon character sex is like. Who knows what them thangs are getting up to when no one's looking? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:27:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: adult babies njc --- colin wrote: > I am flabbergasted! > One of the lists I belong to is all about > handknitting and mostly > populated by women. soemone asked about knititng bay > clothes and what > colour they should be. then someone mentioned that > in the old days all > babies wore dresses, to which some idiot replied > that this would cause > the baies to be gay and so that of course got > people's backs up and > somehow, I =have no idea how, we went from there to > cross dressing(easy > to see really) and then to adults who like to dress > up as babies. Amazing. > So they're just as nuts on the knitting list as on the jmdl, then? We used to have a picture of my Dad as a baby and he was indeed wearing a dress. So did Jesus, for that matter. I wonder what the Christian right would have to say about that? I'm not sure about that whole biz of adults dressing as babies. I've heard about grown men that want to wear diapers and all that. Who would want to change those? Iwww! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #30 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)