From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #19 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 16 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 019 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Hejira musings J (song) C ["Russell Bowden" ] ray lamontagne with joni content [Robert Murphy ] Thanks for all your E-mails in 2004, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: glass, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Tsunami telethon on NBC -- Miss Ross (not Les) -- njc [Smurf ] dreaming of mr. king - martin luther king day word origins NJC [mags h ] bless the beasts, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Bless the Beasts, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] aluminum, now Bill W., njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Alzheimer and aluminium,plastics and glass njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] inauguration $, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: The Same Situation [Brian Gross ] Re: Alzheimer's and aluminum, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 04:42:20 -0800 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Hejira musings J (song) C Gang, So after many years on the west coast and O'ahu, here I am in my native territory of Maine...wintry, cold, beautiful, reflective, sad. Listening to the song Hejira amidst the snow, the smoke of woodfires and the pinewood trees. There is a strong natural-ality to 'North'. You're going to thaw out or freeze. Glenn Gould...(another GREAT Canadian) did some sound scape radio shows relating to the idea of north. I wonder if our Queen was/is familiar with them. I think she must be. For further info..please see 'Thirty-two Short Films About Glenn Gould'. Forgive the rambling...Hejira is Joni narrating a huge chunk of my life to me. For 28 years I've been in the vehicles, the cafes, defecting, winning and losing. Now, sitting quietly in the frozen north among the roots of my family tree, contemplative reflection has knocked on my cranium...and I let it in. How has this prarie lady accomplished all that she has, as far as touching the souls of so many people in is so many ways? Through her words, music, illustration both visual and audial...Her thought has reached out over the time and distance that could seperate and pull us all in to a world of such joy, pain, abandon and regret? Is that the miracle of JM? I sincerely believe she is a miracle of a type....subjectively speaking....Her description of the human condition through art is right there with Shakespeare, Mozart, Dickens, Matisse and Einstein, to name but a few. Her place in the Pantheon of Super Best Friends is high and mighty. The snow gathers like bolts of lace.......White flags of winter chimneys wave truce against the moon. It's early morning here....mad sleep has given way to groggy musings...seeking it's way through the skewed by-ways of gnarled thought. I love you, Joni....it's too simple to say something that means so much. Love to all, Russ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 05:38:21 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Murphy Subject: ray lamontagne with joni content Like my uppity pal Julius, I have been impressed with this guy and his recent CD "Trouble." I had tried to find out more about him online, but there was not much out there. Today he ended up in the Boston Globe. This is a little Joni content from the closing paragraphs of the article: "The first shows were really painful and horrible and I was very quiet and just whispered my way through them," he recalls. "It was terrifying in the beginning. But I knew I had to keep doing it for my personal growth." It was the next step on a journey that had begun with that radio alarm four years before, when LaMontagne, to make up for lost time, immersed himself in albums by Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Ray Charles: the masters. "The thing about these guys is they set a very high standard -- you learn that quickly when you listen to them," he says. "They don't get you on just one level. There's melody, there's the lyric, and there's their own particular voice, which is unique. And they all work together, those three points, to nail you every time. That's the standard I hold myself to. I'm trying to get [listeners] on all three levels like the great songwriters did. If you don't keep reaching for it, then what's the point?" The entire article can be found at: http://www.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2005/01/14/saved_by_music/ One more thing: He's from Maine, Russ! - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:58:26 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Thanks for all your E-mails in 2004, njc Just got this today and I thought it fit right in the Aluminium + other threads Laurent Thanks to all my friends who sent me such important emails in 2004! It's so wonderful that you included me in your quest to inform! Because of all of you I stopped drinking Coca-Cola after I found out from you that it's good for removing toilet stains. I stopped going to the movies for fear of sitting on a needle infected with a disease. I smell awful, but thank goodness I stopped using deodorant because you said it causes cancer. I don't leave my car in any parking lot even though I sometimes have to walk about seven blocks, because you said that someone might drug me with a perfume sample and then try to rob me. I also stopped answering the phone because you said that they will ask me to dial a stupid number and then I get a high phone bill with calls to Uganda, Singapore, Tokyo and maybe the Mars Rover. I stopped eating chicken Mc Nuggets because you told me they are nothing more than horrible mutant freaks with no eyes, beaks or feathers that are bred in labs so that places like McDonalds can get rich I also stopped drinking anything out of a can - you said that I will get sick from the rat feces and urine. When I go to parties, I now don't mix with anybody - you said that someone will drug me, take my kidneys and leave me taking a nap in a bathtub full of ice, with lipstick on the mirror telling me to call 911. However, the police are also after me at present because you said not to pull over as they could be fake policemen trying to kidnap me. I went bankrupt from bounced checks that I wrote, in anticipation of the $15,000 that Microsoft and AOL were supposed to send me when I participated in their special e-mail program and forwarded messages to all my friends. It's weird, though, that my new free cell phone never arrived, and neither did the passes for my paid vacation to Disneyland. But I am positive that all this is because of the chain I broke or forgot to follow and I got a curse. OOPS I ALMOST FORGOT, IMPORTANT NOTE: If you don't send this e-mail to at least 1200 people in the next ten seconds, a bird will crap on you tonight at 7:00 PM. So here's to an even better informed 2005 ! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 06:02:25 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: knock knock knockin' on catherine's door -- njc I saw a repeat of The Simpsons the other night and they went to Toronto! I half expected them to meet up wth a cartoon Catherine, played by Kathleen Turner, of course. Anyway, I wanted you to know, Catherine, that you're thought of even when you stop appearing in my mailbox. But please write something soon. My JMDL don't taste the same without you. - --S __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:15:11 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Drugs and aluminum, njc A druggy wrote: you can't keep doing all those drugs AND keep using the aluminum products. . you've got to choose one or the other. Hi Head, Like if you want to keep smoking the evil wicked weed, don't store it in an aluminum container, bake it into brownies in and aluminum pan, or use an aluminum bong? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:19:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tsunami telethon on NBC I caught some of this as well last night, Mark - we were at a friends' house playing dominos and cards (and I had an awful run of luck, but that's neither here nor there) and we switched over to it to listen to while we were playing. Norah was the first I saw and I thought she was great. I was amazed when I heard the acoustic strains of "Wish You Were Here" and had to see who was playing, was likewise amazed to see Waters and to me this performance was the highlight. Diana Ross looked spooky and didn't sound good at all. Sherry commented about her diva-tude, and when the show closed after her number I said that she must have had it in her contract that NOBODY could follow her. Youck, she looks like a cadaver and hasn't had a hit in 30 years. I felt like calling the toll-free number and telling the celebrity that answered "Hey, I was gonna send a grand or so but since you made me listen to Diana Ross, forget it". I also thought Jay Leno's appearances as the MC were forced and awkward. He didn't know whether to try and play it for laughs (laughs?) or what. He seemed really insincere about the whole thing. Bob NP: Dave Matthews Band, "Crush" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:24:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: tsunami benefit As usual, Mark and I watch the same things and come to the same conclusions. I love these benefits because we get the hear the "stars" bare it all, mostly to fit the mood of the purpose. Annie gave me chills. She was a revelation. I saw her open for Sting, so I know how good she is, but she peaked last night. How I wish Joni could have joined the rest. And Diana, was a disaster. Looked awful, and sounded worse. This, from a former fan. I guess we should be grateful she didn't grab anyone's boob, again! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:27:59 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: glass, njc A glass collector wrote: Use glass whenever possible. . Hi Bottlehead, Plastics and heat ain't a good mix either. Was helping with childcare once and doing art projects with the kids and wanted to use sculpey clay. Another mother brought up the hazards of plasticizers so I looked into it. Amazing... (see below). I also looked into plasticizers in plastics, etc. Plastic isn't as inert as I thought it was. I definitely use glass as much as possible. Love, Laura Hidden HAZARDS Health Impacts of Toxins in Polymer Clays [Executive Summary and References] VPIRG Jul02 Susanne Miller, Environmental Health Advocate Vermont Public Interest Research Group, Inc. Executive Summary Polymer clays are a form of modeling clay that have become popular in recent years among children, adolescents and adult craftspeople. They are inexpensive, come in a variety of colors, are soft at room temperature, can be molded by hand into small or large items, and can be baked in a conventional oven at low heat, resulting in a permanent hard object. Fimo and Sculpey are the most common brand names of polymer clays in the U.S., but other different product lines exist. Unfortunately, these clays contain polyvinyl chloride (PVC) mixed with phthalate (pronounced tha- late) plasticizers. While the phthalate plasticizers make the clay soft and workable, they are also associated with potential health risks. Phthalates as a class of chemicals have been implicated in birth defects, reproductive problems, nerve system damage and other negative health effects. VPIRGbs research indicates that children and adults using polymer clays may be exposed to phthalates at harmful levels. Even when clays are prepared following proper package directions, children and adults can breathe or ingest high levels of phthalates. In addition to phthalate exposure the research indicates that when polymer clay is overheated enough or accidentally burned, the PVC will break down and release highly toxic hydrochloric acid gas. The potential for exposure to phthalates from normal use of polymer clays is troubling given the popularity of the clays both at home and at schools, the inadequacy of consumer warnings about the effects of these chemicals, and the effects phthalates may have on children. Moreover, since the Federal Toxic Substances Control Act does not require pre-market testing for new industrial chemicals, and because it is difficult to restrict the use of existing chemicals in commercial products, exposure to phthalates is cause for concern. VPIRG recommends that consumers avoid using polymer clays and calls on the Consumer Products Safety Commission (CPSC) to recall or suspend sale of polymer clays until they are shown to be safe for use by children and pregnant women. If the products remain on the market b VPIRG calls on manufacturers to provide adequate warnings to consumers as to why they should avoid use of the products or take special precautions when using them. Finally, state Attorneys General should investigate the claims by manufacturers that the clays are b non-toxic.b Health Risks of Phthalates Phthalates are associated with a diversity of negative health impacts including reproductive defects, birth deformities, liver and thyroid damage, neurological impacts as well as miscarriages. At least one phthalate is listed as an EPA probable human carcinogen. The following list illustrates the health risks of some different phthalates: * DnOP (Di n Octyl Phthalate) b Birth deformities, reproductive disorders, liver and thyroid impacts, and linked to gene mutation in mixture with other compounds. * DnHP (Di n Hexyl Phthalate) b Reproductive disorders, liver and thyroid impacts, linked to gene mutation in mixture with other compounds. * BBP (Butyl Benzyl Phthalate) b Reproductive Disorders, birth deformities, suspected carcinogen, but studies inconclusive, and links to nerve disorders and miscarriages. * DEHP ((2 ethylhexyl) Phthalate) b birth deformities, reproductive disorders, EPA bprobable human carcinogenb, Dept. of Health and Human Services bPotential Human Carcinogenb, liver, kidney and thyroid impacts. * DINP (Di isononyl phthalate) b Reproductive disorders and developmental harm. * DEHT (Di (2 ethylhexyl) terphthalate) b Unknown Inadequate Research and Information about Phthalates To date, only a few phthalate compounds are assumed to present the most significant exposure risk to humans. DEHP used in medical devices, and DINP used in childrenbs toys, have been the subject of much focus because they have been used in higher volumes than other phthalate esters. But regulators have significantly underestimated the general publicbs exposure to other phthalates and combinations of phthalates in consumer products, and therefore have not comprehensively studied them. This is especially true for the phthalates found in polymer clays. For example, the National Toxicology Program (NTP) Center for the Evaluation of Risks to Human Reproduction (CERHR) panel assigned to study the risks phthalate exposures posed to human reproductive health suggested that BBP was of only bminimalb concern for reproductive effects in humans because exposures in adults were assumed to be low -- around 2 micrograms per kilogram of body weight. Yet VPIRGbs research shows that a 20 kg (44 lb.) child using 100 grams of polymer clay could be exposed to as much as 130 times the 2 micrograms per kilogram of body weight of BBP the panel identified as normal daily exposure after only 5 minutes of play. Moreover, recent evidence indicates that phthalate exposures are ubiquitous among the general population in the U.S. and, in some cases, higher than previously thought. Recently, CDC analytical chemists, analyzed thousands of urine samples from all over the U.S. and found multiple phthalate metabolites in all samples tested. These metabolites included less common phthalate esters. The CDC team theorized that the residues of these phthalate compounds may result from their presence in consumer products. VPIRGbs Findings VPIRG sent samples of Sculpey and Fimo polymer clay products purchased from local stores in Montpelier, Vermont to laboratories for both compositional analysis and exposure analysis. Compositional Analysis Laboratory testing of the clays by Philips Services (PSC) in Ontario Canada revealed that mixed phthalates made up between 11 and 14% of the total contents of each of the Fimo samples. The Sculpey samples each contained between 3.5 and 4.4 percent mixed phthalates. \ The Fimo clays appeared to contain mostly DnOP, DnHP, DEHT and an unknown phthalate ester (named Unknown #2 by the lab) that strongly resembled DEHP. The Sculpey clays appeared to contain mostly BBP, and a mixture of DnOP and DEHT. Both brands of clays also contained significant amounts of several other phthalate compounds the lab was unable to positively identify using the customary phthalate standard. Exposure Analysis VPIRG commissioned the Environmental Quality Institute (EQI) at the University of North Carolina-Asheville to assess human exposure to phthalates when polymer clays are used according to packaging directions. Researchers at the lab, specializing in realworld environmental exposure assessment prepared and baked clay samples following the manufacturersb directions, and measured releases of phthalates in the air and residues of phthalates on usersb hands. The EQI lab found that, when prepared as directed, polymer clays could expose children and adults to significant concentrations of phthalates, including BBP, DnOP, and DnHP, from both handling the clays and breathing in air contaminated with phthalates during the baking process. Inhalation Exposure Regulatory agencies have not set allowable inhalation levels for the phthalates found in the polymer clays tested (BBP, DnOP, DnHP, DEHT). The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has however, established an eight-hour standard for adult workersb exposure to DEHP and DEP, at 5 milligrams per cubic meter of air. Using this standard as a measure for comparison, inhalation testing showed that Fimo Lavender could result in phthalate exposures (to both BBP, DnOP/DEHT mix, and to unknown #2) twice this high at 11 milligrams per cubic meter. The average phthalate exposure from the clays other than lavender measured 2 milligrams per cubic meter b an amount that closely approaches the 5 milligram per cubic meter OSHA standard for adult workers when we consider that this standard is an adult standard only, and children are the primary users of polymer clay. It is troubling that the average exposure to phthalates so closely approaches the OSHA standard because those exposed to phthalates are likely to be children. Childrenbs bodies are much smaller and more vulnerable to outside factors than adultsb bodies; they breathe more air per body weight than adults and are therefore exposed to more air contamination. The OSHA standard was created for adult workers, and the 5 milligrams per cubic meter OSHA standard is not likely to be adequate to use as a measure for phthalates exposure in children. For comparison, Federal pesticide law mandates setting an exposure limit for children ten times lower than the limit for adults if comprehensive testing data are not available (as is the case with phthalates). Ingestion Exposure Phthalate residues left on a userbs hands and ingestion levels were estimated using the Consumer Product Safety Commissionbs assumption that fifty percent of material deposited on hands will be ingested by a child. Since regulatory agencies have not set standards for phthalate ingestion, state drinking water standards were used to compare the exposure levels found in the study. The results showed that a child who played for 5 minutes with 100 grams of five of the clays tested could exceed the maximum daily exposure level for the phthalate, BBP, allowed under Floridabs drinking water limit. Every single clay tested resulted in exposures exceeding Minnesotabs drinking water standard for BBP. Cumulative Exposure EQIbs analysis likely underestimates the potential phthalate exposures for many children using polymer clays. The researchers measured exposures for only four of the eight separate phthalate compounds identified in the clays. Further, while EQI researchers estimated exposures based on the use of 100 grams of clay, actual preparation of these clays may involve far larger quantities. Various polymer clay brecipesb include concoctions that demand about a pound (~450g) or more of polymer clay material. A child following a recipe for a onepound project could be exposed to nearly five times as much phthalates as projected by the EQI analysis. Moreover, this study has focused on the implications of exposure to only a few phthalate compounds. Simultaneous exposures to multiple related phthalate esters can easily take place through the routine preparation of polymer clays. This repeated exposure could have a cumulative impact that is not yet fully understood. Unsatisfactory Consumer Warnings Rather than warning consumers about phthalates in polymer clay products, packaging on polymer clays actually advertises the products as benvironmentally friendlyb and bnon-toxic.b These misleading labels are based on the assumption by the Arts and Creative Materials Institute (ACMI), the organization approving the non-toxic label, that polymer clays only contain a few phthalate esters. However, VPIRGbs research shows that polymer clays contain phthalates other than those the ACMI considered. Non-toxic certification was granted to polymer clays even though not all the chemicals found in polymer clays were studied for health impacts. It should be noted that the ACMI is a consortium of art and craft material manufacturers. Inadequate Federal Regulations Because the U.S. regulatory framework does not require pre-market testing for new industrial chemicals before they are used in the marketplace, and it is difficult to restrict use of existing chemicals, many harmful chemicals end up in consumer products. Of over 80,000 chemicals used in the marketplace today, the vast majority are untested for human health impacts. This is alarming because consumers may be exposed to chemicals like phthalates on a frequent basis without knowing what the health impacts from exposure may be. Recommendations In response to the results of these tests, VPIRG makes the following recommendations: * The CPSC should declare a moratorium on the sale of polymer clay products until further investigation determines the risks for exposing users to phthalates, especially children and pregnant women. Decision makers should also re-evaluate regulations allowing manufacturers to incorporate harmful chemicals like phthalates into products intended for children without comprehensive health and safety testing. * If polymer clay products remain on the market, manufacturers should be required to affix clear warning labels on polymer clay products, directing pregnant women and children to not use polymer clay products. Others should be warned to strictly limit contact with the clays by wearing gloves when manipulating the product and to also limit inhalation of clay chemicals by staying out of and ventilating the kitchen during and after baking. * Decision makers should reform the laws that govern use of chemicals in industry and in products. These laws currently do not require comprehensive testing of industrial chemicals nor do they allow chemicals to be phased out or regulated even when there is evidence of health hazards. The Toxic Substances Control Act has not been updated since the 1970bs. * Retailers should inform manufacturers of their concerns about selling potentially harmful childrenbs products that contain a bnon-toxicb label, and should either take these products off their shelves or warn consumers of the potential for reproductive damage and birth deformities. * Consumers should avoid purchasing polymer clay products until they are proven safe. * State Attorneys General should investigate manufacturerbs claims that polymer clays are bnon-toxic.b The Poisoning of an Alaskan teacher On October 17, 2000, an elementary school teacher in Alaska suffered acute health problems after walking into a room where Sculpey clay (Sculpey III-blue color) had over-heated when left overnight in a kitchen range. The teacher suffered from headaches, vomiting, fatigue, chest pains, finger numbness, dizziness, a stumbling gait, and other problems. He had to go to a hospital emergency room after suffering from this exposure. The state of Alaskabs occupational health division found that the teacher was exposed to potentially harmful chemicals. It determined that hydrogen chloride and two phthalic acid esters b DOP (Di-octyl phthalate) and BBP -- were b likely products of thermal decomposition.b (Thomas E. Stuart, Jr., chief, Alaska Occupational Safety and Health, letter, February 23, 2001) As part of the investigation, the agency conducted a pyrolytic decomposition study at the OSHA Technical Center in Salt Lake City, Utah. According to the inspection report, bduring thermolytic decomposition at approximately 300 degrees F, two phthalate esters (DOP and BBP) volatized from the polymer clay and appeared in the off-gas stream. As the temperature increased to 482 degrees F the production of hydrogen chloride accompanies the volatilization of the phthalate esters.b (Alaska Department of Labor, Occupational Safety and Health, bInspection Narrative,b Inspection No. 303694269, January 8, 2001) The determination that DOP and BBP were the principal phthalates released by overheating the Sculpey modeling clay are consistent with VPIRGbs finding that these two compounds are the primary plasticizers present in samples of Polyform Productsb Sculpey brand. References _http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Plasticizers/Polymer-Clays-Hazard-VPIRGJul0 2 .htm_ (http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Plasticizers/Polymer-Clays-Hazard-VPIRGJul0 2.htm) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 06:36:40 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Tsunami telethon on NBC -- Miss Ross (not Les) -- njc About *the other* Miss Ross, Bob wrote: << she looks like a cadaver and hasn't had a hit in 30 years. I felt like calling the toll-free number and telling the celebrity that answered "Hey, I was gonna send a grand or so but since you made me listen to Diana Ross, forget it". >> And wouldn't ex-Supremes everywhere love to take your call. ("Hello, this is Mary Wilson. Thanks for calling tsunami relief ...") It's hard to believe sometimes that Diana Ross was once so cool and talented. Divahood can really ruin a career. Her window of coolness closed in about 1971, in my opinion. - --Smurf, still waiting for his window of coolness to open __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 09:43:45 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tsunami telethon on NBC -- Miss Ross (not Les) -- njc **It's hard to believe sometimes that Diana Ross was once so cool and talented. Divahood can really ruin a career. And like a true diva, she's already saying that last night's performance was her finest work. Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Is She Really Going Out With Him?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:57:32 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Jonifest updates Hi Laurent, Any up to date list of attendees? Any ideas on who might like to share a room with me, I mean, are there any people who are obviously attending alone and who I could approach with this perhaps indelicate question. Cheers, Mike Hi That's an excellent question Mike. For those of you who wish to share rooms then we need to figure out the logistics. I was planning to work at it down the line, but you're welcome to begin the process amongst yourselves. Current attendee list: Ashara (& friend), Les Irvin, Strings, Bob Muller, Lieve, Garret, Jamie Zubairi, Catherine Mc Kay (& kids, at Fargo), John Van Tiel & Claudia (at Fargo), Emiliano, Mike Pritchard, Chris Marshall Possible attendees: Colin, Kate Bennett (& husband), Bob Sartorius (+3), Less Ross, Gordon Mackie, Anita & Gabrielle, Donna Binkley, Lucy Hone, Ron, Martin Giles, Lori Hakulinen, Marian The confirmed list is 16-17 people. We need a minimum of 30 to break even. So now is the time to do some one on one recruiting. I'm cc this to several people who told me OK in 2004 but haven't confirmed yet. We need your deposits! Regarding on site lodging: Ashara was 1st to book the upper bungalow. So now we've got to assign the lower bungalow (4 single beds) & the mill (3 singles). The early birds for those are: Lieve, Garrett, Emiliano & Chris Marshall. Then to be assigned are the B&Bs: rooms for 3 and rooms for 4. This could turn into a real french Vaudeville!! Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 07:02:06 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: dreaming of mr. king - martin luther king day word origins NJC oh i could dream of mr king every day, simon. as always, thanks for the reminder to keep him in our hearts. here's an interesting little bit that i found at dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/features/mlk.html a sampling: Dream is from the Old English word dream meaning "noise, music" or "joy, mirth." The catch-phrase American dream came into use in 1931 ("If the American dream is to come true and to abide with us, it will, at bottom, depend on the people themselves."  James Truslow Adams) and described the American ideal of social equality and economic prosperity. Simon, dont give up hope, and if you do, there's always oh Canada ;-) Mags, who knows that dreams do come true. np: Wherever You Go, from Nahoo Compilation, Paul Mounsey imagine you're a girl, with ten mile stilts wailin' jennys 40 days Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:06:22 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: One (make that two) last tsunami comment NJC It seems to me to be so ironic that we show this outpouring of support for a region that has been devastated and at the same time are spending billions of dollars and causing untold numbers of innocent destruction, deaths and forever broken families in Iraq (and in our own country...11,000 Americans dead or injured so far). Can someone help me to make sense of this? I doubt it. And if there IS a God, he must really have been pissed off at the people in Thailand & Indonesia to have caused this calamity, or he was powerless to prevent it. Neither one is a very uplifting scenario for the folks who insist that there's an invisible omnipotent being up there in the stratosphere. Off to the gym, Bob NP: Norah Jones, "Sunrise" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:31:32 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Drugs and aluminum, njc Yeah, something like that. watch yourself. : -) >A druggy wrote: >>you can't keep doing all those drugs AND keep using the aluminum products. >> . >>you've got to choose one or the other. >Hi Head, >Like if you want to keep smoking the evil wicked weed, don't store it in >an aluminum container, bake it into brownies in and aluminum pan, or use >an >aluminum bong? >Love, >Laura _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:43:29 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: bless the beasts, njc >Mark E. in Seattle >(Does anyone else remember a movie called 'Bless the Beasts and Children?' >Carpenters did the title >song.) Mark and Mingus, Is this the story of the boys and the buffalo? I think so. . Darn, I let someone borrow this and never got it back (can't remember who). . I would like to get it again. . As sad as it is, I think every one should see it. It's like one of those sad movies like "Rabbit Proof Fence." A must see but, shows you the dark side of the human. (I love humanity but hate the human - that's me) The Buffalo has, always been my favorite. . . My totem animal so to speak. . . Share this movie with older children. . to bring out the humanity in them. be prepared to process. . . Marianne >From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com >Mark, what a flashback! I was a bedwetter at a young age and had felt such >pain as I watched >that movie, the ending was oh so sad. It made me always >root for the underdog, >Peace, >Mingus >I wasn't a bed wetter but something about those boys and the way they were >treated struck a >very deep chord with me. I was in high school when I saw >this movie. I went to the local >shopping mall theatre to see it by >myself. I went to a lot of movies by myself in those days. I remember >trying to restrain myself from running out of the mall to get to the car >because I was on the verge of tears and at 17 or 18 it would have been >highly uncool to be seen crying in the mall. I got into the car and burst >out sobbing. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:46:38 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Bless the Beasts, njc and Mack _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:53:45 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: aluminum, now Bill W., njc >Love, >Laura (a friend of Bill W.) I'm a friend of a friend of Bill W. Marianne >EM wrote: >>soooooooo, does this mean I should stick to bottled beer? >Hi Em, >Definitely! >Love, >Laura (a friend of Bill W.) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:17:11 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Alzheimer and aluminium,plastics and glass njc Mark, I'm thinking ~ better safe than sorry. Aluminum cooking and cans are not too hard to avoid. . once in a while if soneone hands you a can of soda pop or something, maybe it is no big deal. . but you wouldn't want a steady diet of it. wouldn't miss it so much, ie. cooking out of alluminum pans. . drinking out of aluminum cans. . and you wouldn't want to give your child a steady diet of this stuff , I mean, *I wouldn't. . That's the thing about truth .. "the truth is dense and shaded a living forest." hard to be a human these days. . . and yes Laura, plastics leach also. . once again, G L A S S a wonderful, wonderful thing g l a s s is B E S T www.glass.com don't look that up cause I don't know what it is. . . www.sunny sunday .com Marianne ne (now eating): peas and onion omlet >Hi Laura. >I'm not sure what studies you could be referring to but, according to the >Neuroscience Department at the Australian National University, there is >currently no hard evidence that aluminium causes any such brain damage >leading to any such disease. Ingesting any heavy metals is a risk to the >health of all human organs but, the suggestion several years ago that >aluminium has a connection to Alzheimer's Disease was dismissed at least >ten years ago. >Mark in Sydney. On 16/01/2005, at 3:13 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: >There are some >reputable studies that do provide some evidence that it might play a role >in >Alzheimer's disease. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 11:36:28 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: reflections on glass, njc I am reading a book about glass (young adolescent book) . . .by Joanna Randolf Rott and Seli Groves. . it is called: How on Earth Do We Recycle Glass, (1992, somewhat dated, but good). "Reflections on Glass." " Glass is one of our most important products and fortunately one of the most gentle to the environment. Unlike most plastics glass won't linger in a garbage dump. . . (yes, many plastics a recyclable but not as friendly to the environment) that's because plastics are made of petroleum and other materials that resist nature's normal degrading process, while glass is degradeable. This means that it will break down into it's natural elements. The more we learn about glass and how vital it is to our lives and to our economy and ecology, the more we appreciate this remarkable very old substance and the part it has played throughout the history of civilization. Even paper that is recyclable cannot be recycled indefinitely. The fibers weaken each time the paper is put through the process, and finally can no longer be made into new products. Glass however is 100 percent recyclable. This means that one pound of waste glass melted in a glass furnace produces one pound of new glass and will do so each time it is recycled. No one knows exactly when people started making glass. It is likely that the process was discovered by chance in Egypt, about 4000 years ago." There you have it. . . G LA S S is our friend! remeber to: R E DU C E R E U S E R E C Y C L E in that order "good planets are hard to find" Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:10:05 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: inauguration $, njc I would like to have a leader someday who says "Forget the pomp and circumstance, we are going to save these hard earned tax dollars for the important things!" Not just a big party for my inauguration. We work to hard for this money. . there are other priorities. . many many many MANY other priorities. . I forgot how many millions for dollars is spent this year. (the aluminum) it's just like: all that we have heard about dictators spending citizen money on lavish extravaganza. . it is happening right here before our eyes. . first it was the Ronald Reagan Funeral (were our tax dollars spent here) Now the inauguration. . One might respond, "it has always been this way." SO! It's not right. it is not good. Let a true leader emerge. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:17:03 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: The Same Situation - --- Mark-Leon Thorne in Sydney wrote: > Hi everyone. > > Does anyone know which concert the footage is from that Joni sings The > Same Situation and others on the Woman of Heart and Mind DVD? Was anyone who is here now at any of these performances in order to answer Mark's question? I know brain cells by the gazillions have been toasted over the last 32 years, but someone might remember, right? With flowers on top of the piano and Joan dressed to the nines (oo la la) I doubt it was an interview or a rehearsal. Brian nw: Eagles/Vikings game, no score JONI MITCHELL ~ A Chronology of Appearances v3.4 Compiled by Simon Montgomery, ) 2004 Special thanks to Joel Bernstein for his contributions and assistance. 1973 (as shown on the dvd at the start of that particular clip) 1973.04.15 Sir George Williams Univ. Auditorium Montreal, Quebec A Benefit Concert for the James Bay Indians. Brian Blain, Peter Yarrow and Loudon Wainwright III also performed. 1973.08.11 The Corral Club Topanga, CA 1973.08.12 The Corral Club Topanga, CA The Eagles were the opening act. Neil Young and the Santa Monica Flyers performed and also accompanied Joni. Two sets nightly 1973.11 The Troubadour West Hollywood, CA 1973.12 Interview-Studio Instrument Rentals Hollywood, CA Joni, Tom Scott, Henry Lewy and Elliot Roberts were interviewed by Malka during tour rehearsals. Broadcast by CBC AM in Canada in April 1974 on their program The Entertainers. Portions of this interview were also published in Macleans magazine. 1973.12 Tour Rehearsals, Studio Instrument Rentals Hollywood, CA 1973.12 Interview-Studio Instrument Rentals Hollywood, CA Joni was interviewed by Marci McDonald for an article published by The Toronto Star on Feb. 9, 1974. ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:58:26 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Alzheimer's and aluminum, njc Mark wrote: Hi Laura. I'm not sure what studies you could be referring to but, according to the Neuroscience Department at the Australian National University, there is currently no hard evidence that aluminium causes any such brain damage leading to any such disease. Ingesting any heavy metals is a risk to the health of all human organs but, the suggestion several years ago that aluminium has a connection to Alzheimer's Disease was dismissed at least ten years ago. Hi Mark, Aluminum might have been dismissed ten years ago and at various points in time between then and now, but it always comes back up in the literature as having a possible role in Alzheimer's. Like I said before, I go by the "better safe than sorry" principle. Here are some articles published within the past five years that place significance on a possible connection of aluminum and Alzheimer's disease. Love, Laura Rev Esp Salud Publica. 2002 Nov-Dec;76(6):645-58. [Review of studies on exposure to aluminum and Alzheimer's disease] [Article in Spanish] Suay Llopis L, Ballester Diez F. Escola Valenciana d'Estudis per a la Salut (EVES), Unidad de Epidemiologia y Estadistica, C/Juan de Garay 21 46017 Valencia. A review has been made of the epidemiological studies published evaluating the role of aluminum as a risk factor for developing Alzheimer's disease. A search for published studies was conducted in the Medline database by combining the terms "Aluminum" and "Alzheimer's disease". In most of the studies reviewed, exposure to aluminum in drinking water was examined. These studies suggest that a relationship exists between aluminum (Al) and Alzheimer's disease involving relative risks of around 2 for populations exposed to Al concentrations in drinking water higher than 0.1 mg/l. Types of exposure to this metal by other means (food, medications and occupational exposure) have received little attention. These epidemiological studies entail certain methodological limitations, and their results are not consistent, so the results available to date therefore not making it possible to clearly determine that any relationship exists between exposure to aluminum and the etiology of Alzheimer's disease. Nevertheless, the toxic effect of aluminum on human health cannot be ruled out either, and thus exposure to aluminum should be monitored and limited as far as possible. J Neural Transm. 2003 Jan;110(1):95-110 The role of diet in cognitive decline. Solfrizzi V, Panza F, Capurso A. Department of Geriatrics, Center for Aging Brain, Memory Unit, University of Bari, Policlinico, Bari, Italy. Recent findings suggest a possible role of diet in age-related cognitive decline, and cognitive impairment of both degenerative (Alzheimer's disease, AD) or vascular origin. In particular, in an older population of Southern Italy with a typical Mediterranean diet, high monounsaturated fatty acids energy intake appeared to be associated with a high protection against cognitive decline. In addition, dietary fat and energy in older people seem to be risk factors, while fish consumption and cereals are found to reduce the prevalence of AD in the European and North American countries. Moreover, foods with large amounts of aluminium-containing additives or aluminium from drinking water may affect the risk of developing AD. Vitamin deficiencies, especially vitamin B6, B12 and folates, and antioxidant deficiencies (vitamins E and C) could also influence the memory capabilities and have an effect on cognitive decline. Dietary anti-oxidants and supplements and specific macronutrients of the diet may act synergistically with other protective factors opening new possibilities of intervention for cognitive decline. J Alzheimers Dis. 2001 Dec;3(6):541-549. Aluminum exposure and Alzheimer's disease. Jansson ET. Department of the Planet Earth, Inc., 701 E Street, SE, Suite 200, Washington, DC 20003, USA Tel.: +1 202 543 5450; Fax: +1 202 543 4791; E-mail: planetearth@erols.com The regulatory agencies of the United States and Canada have placed aluminum on priority lists for research designed to fill data gaps relating to neurotoxicity. This is to create a factual basis for the establishment of health standards for drinking water. In this review, we consider evidence for a significant role for aluminum in AD. Aluminum has been implicated as a potential risk factor in Alzheimer's Disease (AD) and for elderly cognitive impairment by epidemiology studies of drinking water and a food study. Most people experience aluminum brain overload in the aging process. Aluminum levels over 20 times higher than those of a middle-aged group were found in a brain autopsy study of elderly persons, roughly correlating over the age period with densities of senile plaques and neurofibrillary tangles. Persons with AD have been found to experience increased absorption of aluminum and higher blood levels. More controversially, the majority of brain studies also show elevated aluminum levels, though there is disagreement over location of metal buildup. Clinical intervention to lower brain aluminum by chelation has slowed the progression of AD. Am J Epidemiol. 2000 Jul 1;152(1):59-66 Relation between aluminum concentrations in drinking water and Alzheimer's disease: an 8-year follow-up study. Rondeau V, Commenges D, Jacqmin-Gadda H, Dartigues JF. INSERM Unite 330, Universite Victor Segalen Bordeaux II, France. To investigate the effect of aluminum and silica in drinking water on the risk of dementia and Alzheimer's disease, the authors analyzed data from a large prospective cohort (Paquid), including 3,777 subjects aged 65 years and over living at home in 75 civil parishes in Gironde and Dordogne in southwestern France in 1988-1989. The subjects were followed for up for 8 years with an active search for incident cases of dementia or Alzheimer's disease. Mean exposure to aluminum and silica in drinking water was estimated in each area. The sample studied included 2,698 nondemented subjects at baseline, for whom components of drinking water and covariates were available. A total of 253 incident cases of dementia (with 17 exposed to high levels of aluminum), including 182 Alzheimer's disease (with 13 exposed to high aluminum levels), were identified. The relative risk of dementia adjusted for age, gender, educational level, place of residence, and wine consumption was 1.99 (95 percent CI: 1.20, 3.28) for subjects exposed to an aluminum concentration greater than 0.1 mg/liter. This result was confirmed for Alzheimer's disease (adjusted relative risk = 2.14, 95 percent CI: 1.21, 3.80). However, no dose-response relation was found. Inversely, the adjusted relative risk of dementia for subjects exposed to silica (> or = 11.25 mg/liter) was 0.74 (95 percent CI: 0.58, 0.96). These findings support the hypothesis that a high concentration of aluminum in drinking water may be a risk factor for Alzheimer's disease. Arch Gerontol Geriatr Suppl. 2004;(9):393-402. Trace elements and cognitive impairment: an elderly cohort study. Smorgon C, Mari E, Atti AR, Dalla Nora E, Zamboni PF, Calzoni F, Passaro A, Fellin R. Second Department of Internal Medicine, University of Ferrara, Via Savonarola, 9 - 44100 Ferrara, Italy. Dementia is one of the most pressing public health problems with social and economic implication. The form called cognitive impairment non-dementia (CIND)represents a subclinical phase of dementia. Different studies have shown a possible effect of micro- and macro-nutrients on cognitive function. Trace elements, being involved in metabolic processes and redox reactions in the central nervous system (CNS), could influence the cognitive functions. This study evaluated the presence of an eventual correlation between serum trace element concentrations and cognitive function in a group of subjects with CIND and manifest dementia (Alzheimer dementia = AD, and vascular dementia = VaD), and compared them with a control group. Thirty -five patients were enrolled in this study. Each patient underwent a clinical and biochemical examination. We also performed a neuropsychological and functional assessment (the Milan overall dementia assessment = MODA, activities of daily living = ADL, and instrumental activities of daily living = IADL), and a computerized tomographic (CT) cerebral scan. Patients were than divided in 4 groups according to the obtained diagnosis (Controls, CIND, AD, VaD).The presence of any acute or chronic conditions, affecting cognitive functions, was considered as exclusion criteria. A blood sample was collected to determine iron (Fe), zinc (Zn), manganese (Mn), selenium (Se), cobalt (Co), chromium (Cr), copper (Cu),molybdenum (Mo) and aluminium (Al) serum concentrations (chromatographic,spectrophotometric methods). In our cohort we found a positive correlation between cognitive function, expressed as the MODA score, and Se, Cr, Co and Fe serum levels,while a negative correlation was observed between MODA score, Cu and Al serum levels.Moreover, some statistically significant differences in Se, Cr, Co, Cu and Al concentrations were found among the groups. According to these results, we may suppose that Se, Cr and Co protect cognitive function, Cu influences the evolution of cognitive impairment, while Al contributes to the pathogenesis of AD. AND IN ANMIALS THERE IS ARE NUMEROUS STUDIES OF THE POSSIBLE MECHANISMS OF ALUMINUM INVOLVEMENT IN ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE...HERE'S ONE: J Alzheimers Dis. 2004 Jun;6(3):315-28. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/utils/lofref.fcgi?PrId=3314&uid=15201486&db=pubmed&url=http://iospress.metapress .com/openurl.asp?genre=article&issn=1387-2877&volume=6&issue=3&spage=315) A behavioral and ultrastructural dissection of the interference of aluminum with aging. Miu AC, Olteanu AI, Miclea M. Department of Psychology, Neuroscience Research Nucleus, Babes-Bolyai University, 37 Republicii, Cluj-Napoca CJ3400, Romania. AndreiMiu@psychology.ro The persistence of neuroscientists in exploring aluminium's (Al) possible contribution to the pathogenesis of Alzheimer's disease (AD) has resulted in a wealth of researches detailing the biological toxicity of this metal. However, to date, there have been few accounts of the interference of Al with aging and its relevance to the pathogenesis of AD. We investigated the behavioral and the ultrastructural signatures of Al in the hippocampus on young and aging rats which were exposed for three months to aluminium gluconate. The aging animals displayed decreased scores of activity and emotionality, and the Al-exposed aging males had altered emotional reactivity behaviors. The electron-microscopic analysis indicated that Al promoted in the aging hippocampus a variety of cellular and ultrastructural degenerative signs, such as granulo-vacuolar degenerations, deposition of lipofuscin and amyloid in the cytoplasm of neurons and astrocytes, and in extracellular compartments, Hirano bodies, demyelination and the atrophy of the mitochondria. Moreover, the quantitation of myelin sheath width and the diameter of mitochondria measured on randomly selected samples confirmed that myelin and mitochondria are primary targets of Al's toxicity. Demyelination and mitochondrial atrophy seemed more advanced in the hippocampus of Al-exposed aging males, supporting the effect of sex suggested by the behavioral results. These findings and other collateral results also reported here are discussed in the context of a possible involvement of Al in AD, mediated by aging and catalyzed by hepatic morphopathology. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #19 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)