From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2005 #11 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 12 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 011 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni and Dolly Parton in the studio now njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Dog Eat Dog, GEFFEN RECORDINGS, was Fanta/Coke ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Newbie ["McMillan Brad" ] Re: Dog Eat Dog, GEFFEN RECORDINGS, was Fanta/Coke ["mackoliver" ] Re: Calling all DC area JMDLers (NJC) [Lori Fye ] Re: Dog Eat Dog, GEFFEN RECORDINGS, was Fanta/Coke [Randy Remote ] Lieve and Jerry Springer njc [tantra_apso ] Re: Joni DVD 2-pack released 1/11/05 [Randy Remote ] Re: Hits/Misses & Tribs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Calling all DC area JMDLers [john.van.tiel@wxs.nl] Re: Dog Eat Dog, GEFFEN RECORDINGS, was Fanta/Coke ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedie] Re: Calling all DC area JMDLers [Smurfycopy@aol.com] TNT Joni Tribute as online video [Mike Friedman ] Re: Joni DVD 2-pack released 1/11/05 [Moni Kellermann ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:12:45 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and Dolly Parton in the studio now njc > Didn't Steve Allen claim he wrote 10,000 songs or something > ridiculous? How many of them were good? I think his point was that he was a songwriter, and a songwriter writes to keep skills active, whether he/she feels like it, or not. It's more about discipline than achieving excellence in every venture. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:02:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog, GEFFEN RECORDINGS, was Fanta/Coke Yes, I wish she would've said to Geffen 'NO, I DON"T WANT A PRODUCER ON THIS ALBUM!!!! I AM A MUSICIAN! I AM NOT A LETTUCE!!!!' Hence CMIARS sounded more like Joni than DED. I still love the production on Beat of Black Wings, whatever anyone says about trendy 80s over-production. It doesn't sound like it comes from the 80s (it couldn't come before that, however. Point taken) The live, 'unplugged' versions of the songs (T3GS, Good Friends, Impossible Dreamer) that we have heard from various sources only go to show that it is an album of strong material. Not sure about trying to 'capture the MTV audience' but actually try to *target* them in a 'these songs are for you, about you' kinda way. If only they had listened... Lucky Girl and Ethiopia, T3GS, Tax Free, DED all are amazing songs. The Complete Geffen captures the layers of production that Joni had intended. I can finally get rid of my old cd version and play TCGR LOUD!!!! Much Joni Jamie Zoob --- Randy Remote wrote: > Thanks for trying, Jim, but my problems with DED > have nothing > to do with the sonics. Start with drum machines and > plastic sounding > synths. For all her cauterwauling about commercial > crap in the > marketplace, DED reeks of a blatant attempt to > capture the MTV > audience. > I do like Good Friends and Shiny Toys. The rest get > points for > good intentions, but tend to be wordy and tuneless, > the start of > a trend that plagued her later work. > 3 Great Stimulants (DED) and Number One (from > CMIARS) were > infinitely more effective at the Amnesty Int'l show > as basic, > unproduced songs. > IMO, of course. Your smileage may vary. > RR (also see below) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:36:13 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog, GEFFEN RECORDINGS, was Fanta/Coke > Yes, I wish she would've said to Geffen 'NO, I DON"T > WANT A PRODUCER ON THIS ALBUM!!!! I AM A MUSICIAN! I > AM NOT A LETTUCE!!!!' I think it can be concluded that Joni agreed to this production reluctantly, and was determined never to do it again. > > Hence CMIARS sounded more like Joni than DED. I still > love the production on Beat of Black Wings, whatever > anyone says about trendy 80s over-production. It > doesn't sound like it comes from the 80s (it couldn't > come before that, however. Point taken) I strongly encourage everyone to get The Geffen Recordings. The remastering is "masterful" and though I am no fan of DED, at least the sound is now wonderful. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:38:40 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: More Special Thanks Dear Paz, This is great news! It seems that your search for a true way to help has paid off. Please find a way to go with Dennis if you can. I really feel it would be a first step in the direction your heart wants to go in with this effort. Thanks for thinking of us and updating us with your efforts. It makes me feel really good! Take care and follow your heart. Love, Sherelle Paz wrote: Hi All I have been busy working with my committee trying to get our plan in place before tomorrows meeting (which of course I am dreading). I have found a group of people called Northwest Medical Teams who have been in South Asia since very soon after the disaster. I have agreed to send them supplies and meds to help with their effort. I also have contacted a group of Christians that are in Sri Lanka that have an alliance with a church I have been working on a project I Kenya with. So much positive things happening and I am encouraged. This morning Dr. Heiman called me and told me Dennis Quaid would like to make a trip in to the affected areas and would like he and I to go with him. They want to leave on Monday which I think is crazy and am working on trying to figure out an alternative plan. I just got off the phone with Dennis and have agreed to try and out a trip together for us. We will see what happens next. Again I would like to send out special love and thanks to Sherelle Smith and Robert, Kenny Bausert and his wife and his friend Tod (NOT on the JMDL) who have been so generous to our cause. I will do my best to make the most of your faith and support in IHC. I will write more tomorrow after the meeting. Best to all, Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:35:37 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog, GEFFEN RECORDINGS, was Fanta/Coke Jerry Notaro wrote: >> Yes, I wish she would've said to Geffen 'NO, I DON"T >> WANT A PRODUCER ON THIS ALBUM!!!! I AM A MUSICIAN! I >> AM NOT A LETTUCE!!!!' > > I think it can be concluded that Joni agreed to this production > reluctantly, and was determined never to do it again. Maybe it can be concluded that Joni agreed to the *producer* reluctantly and certainly did not want Thomas Dolby's meddling. But I think she was pursuing a sound for this record that involved the Fairlight synthesizer and electronic sounds so to say she was reluctant about the *production* doesn't seem right to me. And I still don't get how anyone could think DED was aimed at the MTV audience given the blatant political and social criticisms in it and the decided lack of that type of thing in the popular music of the time. Mark E. in Seattle staunch defender of Dog Eat Dog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:53:22 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Is that all ? Perhaps that is why her last few albums have been re-releases or new compilations of old recordings. I wasn't all that enthusiastic about Both Sides Now, but I must say her voice captured the genre she seemed to be after. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Headon" To: Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Is that all ? > Hi > I am de-lurking to ask two painful questions. > > 1 Have we heard the last of Joni Mitchell's music in terms of new songs? > > 2. In view of the damage she has done to her voice would it be better if we > remembered her voice as we last heard it before it sounds too ravaged by > long term cigarette abuse? > > As for me I hope we have more songs but I am very concerned about the voice > issue. After all her brilliant singing over decades I would hate to see > Joni's legacy tarnished by her singing on for too long. As you can see I am > more than a little confused here ! > > Thanks to all contributors to this list you brighten my days :-) > > Cheers > > Paul Headon > Wales > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:15:04 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Newbie Weren't Hits and Misses basically self-made tribute albums? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Newbie > **I got fed up waiting for the rumoured Tribute album > that I made my own. > > Hi Mark, and I got so fed up that with the help of JMDLer's around the world > I made about 75 of my own, check out my "Joni Undercover" section: > > _http://www.jmdl.com/undercover/byvolume.cfm_ > (http://www.jmdl.com/undercover/byvolume.cfm) > > 1. Blue - Sarah McLachlan. > 2. Urge For Going - Luka Bloom. > 3. That Song About The Midway - Bonnie Raitt. > 4. The Last Time I Saw Richard - Ben Bennett. > 5. All I Want - Natalie Merchant. > 6. River - Robert Downey Jr. > 7. A Case of You - Tori Amos. > 8. Yvette In English - David Crosby. > 9. Black Crow - Cassandra Wilson. > 11. Woodstock - Tuck & Patti. > 12. I Had a King - Joshua Redman. > 13. Be Cool - Christine Sullivan. > 14. Big Yellow Taxi - Counting Crows. > 15. Help Me - Wynonna Judd. > 16. How Do You Stop? - James Brown. > 17. Blue Motel Room - Karrin Allyson. > > > This is a great list - have you heard Christine Sullivan's version of "I > Think I Understand"? Really nice. Please tell me more about your "Last Time I > Saw Richard" cover! That's a new one on me, and that doesn't happen every day. > > I also have a compilation a friend made up for me of early cafe > recordings including Dr Junk amongst other songs. I have made it into > another CD album which I call, Joni Mitchell: The Early Years. > > I made a similar compilation a while back with the following tracklist: > > > 1. Play Little David, Play > 2. The Wizard Of Is > 3. The Gift Of The Magi > 4. The Way It Is > 5. Day After Day > 6. Dr. Junk > 7. Brandy Eyes > 8. Mr. Blue > 9. Eastern Rain > 10. Born To Take The Highway > 11. Carnival In Kenora > 12. Winter Lady > 13. Just Like Me > 14. Blue On Blue > 15. Come To The Sunshine > 16. The London Bridge Song > 17. Ballerina Valerie > 18. Favorite Colour > 19. Go Tell The Drummer Man > 20. A Melody In Your Name > 21. Looking Out For Love > 22. Hunter > > There's also a Volume 2 that features songs she did as duets or live that > she didn't author (Get Together, Mr. Tambourine Man, etc). > > You also asked: > **Does anyone else have the All Star Tribute To Joni Mitchell TV special on > disc?** > > Yes, many of us do - I have it on CD and DVD, I used to have it on VHS but I > passed that along after I got the DVD. And if I had a buck for every copy of > the CD that I've made, well I could take off work tomorrow! > > Bob > > NP: U2, "Exit" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:28:08 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog, GEFFEN RECORDINGS, was Fanta/Coke Bravo Mark. In complete agreement with you there and here. mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark or Travis" To: "Jerry Notaro" ; "Jamie Zubairi" ; "Randy Remote" ; "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ; "Joni List" Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog, GEFFEN RECORDINGS, was Fanta/Coke > Jerry Notaro wrote: > >> Yes, I wish she would've said to Geffen 'NO, I DON"T > >> WANT A PRODUCER ON THIS ALBUM!!!! I AM A MUSICIAN! I > >> AM NOT A LETTUCE!!!!' > > > > I think it can be concluded that Joni agreed to this production > > reluctantly, and was determined never to do it again. > > Maybe it can be concluded that Joni agreed to the *producer* reluctantly and certainly did not want > Thomas Dolby's meddling. But I think she was pursuing a sound for this record that involved the > Fairlight synthesizer and electronic sounds so to say she was reluctant about the *production* > doesn't seem right to me. And I still don't get how anyone could think DED was aimed at the MTV > audience given the blatant political and social criticisms in it and the decided lack of that type > of thing in the popular music of the time. > > Mark E. in Seattle > staunch defender of Dog Eat Dog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:46:45 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Joni DVD 2-pack released 1/11/05 Hear today - CD releases for Jan. 11 In 1998, Joni Mitchell performed for an intimate gathering at the Warner Bros. soundstage. She sang "Big Yellow Taxi," "Amelia" and "Why Do Fools Fall in Love" on a stage that was accented by several of her paintings. That performance is now included on the double-DVD release "Joni Mitchell: Special Edition -2-Pack (Painting With Words & Music/Woman of Heart & Mind)" from Eagle Rock Entertainment ($24.98). The set includes live and documentary footage about her songs, poetry, painting and voice, plus excerpts from the songs "All I Want," "Chelsea Morning" and many more. Running time is approximately 218 minutes. http://u.presstelegram.com/Stories/0,1413,218~24215~2645637,00.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:22:53 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Calling all DC area JMDLers (NJC) Sherelle wrote, of Claudia: > I thoroughly enjoyed her set and I am so glad I was able to make it out to > Austin Grill. Smurf quipped: >> I am so glad you liked Claudia's breasts, Sherelle. Do you know she's also a >> superb performer? Colin then wondered: >>> Have you been puffing or have I? I don't get how you got that out of >>> Sherrelle's sentence. Colin, if there was EVER any doubt in my mind that you and I "attend the same church," it was completely erased by your statement! A "set" is slang for boobs (tits, chi-chis, jugs, breasts, etc). Lori, enjoying teasing you a bit P.S. - OH!! Yes, Claudia's set was WONDERFUL, as was the company of Claud, John, Sherelle, and Rob. Wish more JMDLers could've been there too!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:54:25 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, inauguration day Dear Joni-listers in the U.S.A. (with apologies to all others for taking up your screen space!): It's been a while since we had a voice (November 2, to be exact), but here's a chance for us to speak out loud and clear. A friend just sent me this and I think it's a great idea so I'm forwarding it as fast as I can....apologies for double-posting to some of my favorite folks here.... ;) Peace, Patti ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:01:22 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog, GEFFEN RECORDINGS, was Fanta/Coke Mark or Travis wrote: > I still don't get how anyone could think DED was aimed at the MTV > audience given the blatant political and social criticisms in it and the decided lack of that type > of thing in the popular music of the time. Well, they did make videos for two of the songs, so Geffen was banking on it, at the very least. Good Friends was in regular rotation on MTV. Shiny Toys also got some play, despite it's anti-consumerism message. Live Aid, We Are The World, Ebony and Ivory-there were some examples of social commentary then, as now, on MTV. MTV was recognized as the world's most powerful radio station, it's hard to imagine that NOT having an impact on someone making records for mass consumption. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:23:58 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog, GEFFEN RECORDINGS, was Fanta/Coke > Mark or Travis wrote: > >> I still don't get how anyone could think DED was aimed at the MTV >> audience given the blatant political and social criticisms in it and the >> decided lack of that type >> of thing in the popular music of the time. > > Well, they did make videos for two of the songs, so Geffen was banking > on it, at the very least. Good Friends was in regular rotation on MTV. > Shiny Toys also got some play, despite it's anti-consumerism message. > Live Aid, We Are The World, Ebony and Ivory-there were some > examples of social commentary then, as now, on MTV. > MTV was recognized as the world's most powerful radio station, > it's hard to imagine that NOT having an impact on someone making > records for mass consumption. > RR > And, who ever heard of the MTV audience listening to lyrics, anyway? Jerry :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:20:40 +0000 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Joni DVD 2-pack released 1/11/05 Is this any diffreent from the two releases that I purchased separately? i.e.. Are there any crumbs to get some of us would-be JOni completists to buy these again? Cheers, Richard Quoting Brian Gross : > Hear today - CD releases for Jan. 11 > > In 1998, Joni Mitchell performed for an intimate gathering at the > Warner Bros. > soundstage. > She sang "Big Yellow Taxi," "Amelia" and "Why Do Fools Fall in Love" > on a stage > that was accented by several of her paintings. > > That performance is now included on the double-DVD release "Joni > Mitchell: > Special Edition -2-Pack (Painting With Words & Music/Woman of Heart & > Mind)" > from Eagle Rock Entertainment ($24.98). > > The set includes live and documentary footage about her songs, > poetry, painting > and voice, plus excerpts from the songs "All I Want," "Chelsea > Morning" and > many more. > > Running time is approximately 218 minutes. > > > http://u.presstelegram.com/Stories/0,1413,218~24215~2645637,00.html > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:44:18 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Calling all DC area JMDLers (NJC) Lori Fye wrote: >Sherelle wrote, of Claudia: > > > >>I thoroughly enjoyed her set and I am so glad I was able to make it out to >>Austin Grill. >> >> > >Smurf quipped: > > > >>>I am so glad you liked Claudia's breasts, Sherelle. Do you know she's also a >>>superb performer? >>> >>> > >Colin then wondered: > > > >>>>Have you been puffing or have I? I don't get how you got that out of >>>>Sherrelle's sentence. >>>> >>>> > >Colin, if there was EVER any doubt in my mind that you and I "attend the same >church," it was completely erased by your statement! > > I am getting on you know. i had to read your sentence four times before I got what you meant. First i thought you meant we didn't attend the same church, then i wondered what church you meant, then i thought i have never seen you in church and then i thought well i wouldn't cos you live so far away and I am sure we wouldn't meet in a church anyway, not mine anyhow, then I thought 'what the fuck does the woman mean' then i twigged, you meant we bat for same team whcih is not what you meant because of cause you don't have a bat and if you did you'd bat for the opposite team to me so batting for the same team doesn't fit.sooo...my guess is you mean I'm a fag and you are a dyke and we both attend church but different one's in different countries. Close? - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:16:35 +0000 From: tantra_apso Subject: Lieve and Jerry Springer njc Lieve came to spend Saturday night with us. I look forward to ding it again. She thought I looked fetching with my sticks(and coat and hat)! We talked(duh!) about all sorts of things except Joni really. I cooked spag bol which I haven't done for eyars and i think it went well. I only ate the bol part. I think John and Lieve drank about a crate of red wine between them. The week before some Xtians had got their knickers in a twist over the fact the the BBC was going to show Jerry Springer-The Opera on tv on Saturday. Demostrations and rantings and ravings were held. As a result, this show received much publicity and got high ratings. Lieve being the wicked heathen that she is, insisted that we watch it. So being a gentlemen, I allowed the lady her wish. The show was very good and hilarious. Unfortunately, I fell asleep before it finished and as yet haven't got around to watchign the ending as I have been bathing dogs since Lieve left. I do hope Lieve visits us again. She is good company. I think she gets why it is easier for her to come here than it is for us to go there now she has met the 'family'. Speaking of which, the family should grow by 4 or 5 on the 10th of next month. Also on Friday morning one of the present family, the bully, should be going to his new home. Poor Finbar will be relieved tho of course I no longer allow Halo(the bully bastard) near him anyway. Poor Finbar may be leaving us too but it will be a few more weeks before the decision to keep or not has to be made. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:27:57 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni DVD 2-pack released 1/11/05 There appear to be no extras, just the 2 discs at a low price. It's called "Collector's Edition"; I guess so, if you collect dvd cases. "rflynn@frontiernet.net" wrote: > Is this any diffreent from the two releases that I purchased separately? > > i.e.. Are there any crumbs to get some of us would-be JOni completists > to buy these again? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:29:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Hits/Misses & Tribs **Weren't Hits and Misses basically self-made tribute albums? Not a "tribute" in the sense that Mark was speaking of. A typical tribute CD features an artist's work performed by others, as in the tracklist he described. Reprise had one prepped called "A Case Of Joni" but left it on the shelf, though some of the recordings on it are available. As for Hits & Misses, Joni agreed to release a "Greatest Hits" CD contractually but only if she could also release a collection of her songs that didn't get their due in her opinion. Like Joni says, she was never much of a hit-maker so there was really no need for this collection, although it is worthwhile to get her recording of Urge For Going. I have Hits for that reason but have no intention of getting the superfluous Misses. Bob NP: Dave Falciani, "Big Yellow Taxi" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:43:22 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Hits/Misses & Tribs Hi Bob; I guess I was reading "tribute" and thinking "the best of" or "the artist's favorite". You are correct of course about Joni not being a hit maker. But then, she was never one to write songs that lasted exactly 3 minutes and 10 seconds with a repeating fadeout line at the end. ----- Original Message ----- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com To: bradmcmillan@earthlink.net ; mark-leon@iinet.net.au ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: Hits/Misses & Tribs **Weren't Hits and Misses basically self-made tribute albums? Not a "tribute" in the sense that Mark was speaking of. A typical tribute CD features an artist's work performed by others, as in the tracklist he described. Reprise had one prepped called "A Case Of Joni" but left it on the shelf, though some of the recordings on it are available. As for Hits & Misses, Joni agreed to release a "Greatest Hits" CD contractually but only if she could also release a collection of her songs that didn't get their due in her opinion. Like Joni says, she was never much of a hit-maker so there was really no need for this collection, although it is worthwhile to get her recording of Urge For Going. I have Hits for that reason but have no intention of getting the superfluous Misses. Bob NP: Dave Falciani, "Big Yellow Taxi" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:19:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hits/Misses & Tribs **But then, she was never one to write songs that lasted exactly 3 minutes and 10 seconds with a repeating fadeout line at the end. And thank goodness for that, although writing a great 3-minute pop song is a valid art form in itself. It is interesting how many of the BSN covers I have heard run 3:20, give or take a second or two. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Showbiz Kids" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:20:00 +0100 From: john.van.tiel@wxs.nl Subject: Re: Calling all DC area JMDLers << Smurf van Tiel >> I am happy to know that I finally have a brother. Didnt know my dad had it in him. So we can be a set now. One thing though: I will be the older brother. I am bigger than you (and start washing your mouth with soap immediately if you even THINK of being clever about this remark, kiddo). The Other van Tiel (thank you for your nice words, Sherelle; we enjoyed the evening immensely, too) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:27:41 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog, GEFFEN RECORDINGS, was Fanta/Coke In part, Mark said, "I still don't get how anyone could think DED was aimed at the MTV audience given the blatant political and social criticisms in it and the decided lack of that type of thing in the popular music of the time." Now Lama: I agree. In recent interviews she said she and Larry were woodshedding with the Fairlight. She said something like they innocently thought it would be cool to bring in an experienced user of the Fairlight to mentor them a bit and shorten the time it took to realize sounds. When she put the synth bass under Burundi drums on "The Jungle Line", no critics or fans accused her of trying to be trendy with new technology. Both the synth bass and the drum machines were Joni exploring new palettes. Earlier we had the "dulcimer palette" and the "piano palette". I prefer the piano stuff to the drum machine stuff but that's my problem. Some prefer Miles playing the ballads over the fusion period. She wasn't "having us on" as the Brits say and it was a looooong way from pandering. The video for "Shiny Toys" could have been set in a disco with suggestive dancers, cutaway shots of bikinis, and eccentrics walking along Venice Beach. The concept for the video could have been "Hedonist's Field Day: Shiny Toys". It would have illustrated the lyric and it might have been a way to "sell" to MTV fans. Instead she gave 'em home movie footage of The Star washing dishes. (God love her. She's "a defector" for sure!) - ------ Each time she discovered a new instrument or collaborator her music changed dramatically. Look how different the formal piano songs are from the ultra-personal dulcimer songs. (Off the top of my head, I'm thinking that the story of "Ludwig's Tune" *had* to be born on the piano. The story is psychologically tied to the talented artist rebelling in an ordered world of piano lessons, polite society/celebrity, respect for the masters/critic's expectations, success/self-doubt, etc., etc.) Try singing this, if you dare: "Oh, Ludwig you're a mean old daddy / but I like you." Food for thought, Jim Covington, KY, USA PS, My messages are bouncing when I try to copy flopit and Gerry. I guess it's just the way your security is set. I'm not excluding either of you. PPSS, Kakki, please chime in, will ya? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:26:14 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Calling all DC area JMDLers J v T writes: << One thing though: I will be the older brother. >> Broeder! At last I have someone to write ad copy with! XO, - --S v T ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:53:32 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: TNT Joni Tribute as online video I copied the 2000 TNT All Star Tribute to Joni Mitchell, edited out the commercials and put the resulting 1:33 minute video up on my web site for anyone to download the file. It's a DIVx video formatted file, will play full screen (640 x480) with mono sound, I don't have a stereo VCR, but the sound is OK.. The original was analog, so the quality is not theatre quality, but it's fine for just watching. You can download the file here: http://www.pinataperspective.com/Joni-TNT Special.mov.ff.avi Depending on your setup, the file may stream instead of downloading. If you have trouble and want to download the file instead of streaming it, try this link: ftp://www.pinataperspective.com/Joni-TNT Special.mov.ff.avi To play it, you need the DIVx codec, which you can download from www.divx.com. The freeware VLC media player (www.videolan.org) also will play this with no additional anything needed besides their player. Both of these options are available for Windows and Macintosh computers. (VLC doesn't run on Mac OS9 though, I think). The file is 715 MB so downloading it is not for the faint of heart. Enjoy, and let me know if anyone has any trouble downloading. I've limited the number of concurrent downloaders to 5 so my bandwidth isn't all consumed by this. ========================== This is not the best of all possible worlds, in case you missed the irony in Voltaire. Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:55:05 -0800 From: "J. Gonzales" Subject: Joni Starbucks CDs... Given some recent discussion of this, I went searching. The fine folks at this link here: http://www.mauricegainen.com/mastering.html appear to have mastered two Joni-related Starbucks CDs - one of their "Artist's Choice" series and another from what appears to be their "Opus" series (not sure what that is). An "Artist's Choice" Cd will probably be great. If "Opus" is a classical sampler, could be cool too, though it could just be another Joni compilation (and will probably outsell both of last year's!). Relurking....J ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:02:15 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Joni DVD 2-pack released 1/11/05 On Jan. 11 Brian Gross wrote: > Hear today - CD releases for Jan. 11 > That performance is now included on the double-DVD release "Joni Mitchell: > Special Edition -2-Pack (Painting With Words & Music/Woman of Heart & Mind)" > from Eagle Rock Entertainment ($24.98). On Jan. 4 I had written as a reply to a question by Brian Gross: >> 5. Joni Mitchell - Collectors Edition DVD ~ Joni Mitchell >> Not Yet Released -- On Order >> List Price: $24.98 Buy new: $22.48 >[garbage url removed] >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0006SSNIC/ >> Could this be one of the works that simon mentioned? >I don't know what he mentioned but this one is simply "Painting With >Words" And Music and "Woman Of Heart And Mind" on one DVD each as one >package. >I bought the PAL version in a German store for 14.99 EUR - which is >less than they would cost each as single releases. The PWWAM cover >inside is the stupid one with the cigarette-removed photo. The reason I bought the double-DVD was that I didn't own the WOHAM disk and the new one was cheaper than the single WOHAM would have been. So now I do have both the single PWWAM and the one from the new package. I can only speak for the European PAL versions. Both are in 4:3 screen format and have Dolby Surround 5.1 sound, run 98 minutes and have no extra features. moni ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2005 #11 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)