From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #510 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, December 30 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 510 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: tsunami / environment NJC [FredNow@aol.com] RE: Tsunami NJC [Susan Guzzi ] RE: Tsunami NJC [Susan Guzzi ] Mitchell, Fleming and Russ Bowden...that's me! ["Russell Bowden" ] written in the key of navyblue [mags h ] Re: written in the key of navyblue [Em ] Re: Tsunami ["Sherelle Smith" ] NJC,more on Wally's Week ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: NJC, Schones Geburtstag an Wally K ["Ruth Davis" ] Re: NJC, Schones Geburtstag an Wally K/ now drugs vs shrink [Em ] Re: written in the key of navyblue [Susan Guzzi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 03:48:32 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: tsunami / environment NJC Hi Maggie, Although I certainly share your feelings about the current US administration and its pillaging of the environment (among many other crimes), abuse of the ecology has nothing to do with earthquakes, which are the Earth's primary mechanism for growth and geological evolution. The movement of the Earth's crust, which is divided into large tectonic plates beneath major oceans and continents, is responsible for continental drift. Very early in Earth's history all the continents were clumped together in one land mass called Pangaea. Over the course of billions of years, as the crustal plates beneath the land mass and the surrounding oceans shifted and broke apart, so, too, the continents broke apart and drifted on the semi-molten mantle beneath the crust. You've probably noticed that the eastern "hump" of South America could fit nicely into the western "hollow" of Africa ... this gets really interesting when one can trace animal and/or plant life that exists only in these two places which were once joined. Anyway, earthquakes have always happened, and always will happen. Unbelievably, there have been several earthquakes which have killed 200,000 people or more, including one on July 27, 1976 in Tangshan, China which "officially" killed 255,000 people, but the estimated death toll was 655,000. Even more staggering, on January 23, 1556 there was an earthquake in Shansi, China which killed 830,000 people. And, obviously, in 1556 there was no chance that this had anything to do with industrialization. More than a few of the most massive earthquakes in history have occurred in China and Iran, the latter of which just had a major quake almost exactly one year ago in which 30,000+ people were killed. That said, many of the deaths caused by this tsunami were perhaps the result of human over-development of coastal areas ... we are fatally attracted to water. In that sense, abuse of the environment may have had a hand in this tragedy. Fred "Maggie McNally" wrote: >>I just wonder, does the actions of the industrialized world bear any >>responsibility for this destruction? I can't help but think that mother >>nature is taking some seriously harsh retribution for our misuse of our >>planet. Am I being an overly-guilty liberal here, or is there any evidence >>that the hurricanes in Florida and the earthquake at the bottom of the Indian >>Ocean is related to environmental misuse? I went looking for an explanation >>of the tsunami/earthquake phenomenon, and here is the simple explanation. >> >>"The earth's crust consists of slowly-moving tectonic plates, and two of >>these plates collided deep under the Indian Ocean about 155 miles southeast >>of the Indonesian island of Sumatra, with the Indian plate diving under the >>Eurasian plate. The collision suddenly lifted a strip of seafloor hundreds of >>miles long, by an estimated 20 to 50 feet, which displaced a massive amount >>of water and started the tsunami. The earthquake registered 9.0 on the >>Richter scale, making it the most powerful in 40 years and fourth strongest >>in the last 100 years." Source: The Boston Globe But, what causes these >>movements? Could drilling for oil and natural gas and the subsequent removal >>of these components of the substructure be a contributing factor? Or, is it a >>simple matter of s*&t happens? These questions came from my thinking about >>the magnitude of the loss and destruction vs. the losses due to terrorism, >>and my feeling that the current administration has its priorities messed up >>in putting such a large share of our resources into fighting terrorism and so >>little into protecting the environment. Hell, I think it's safe to say that >>they are completely without concern for our environment, unless you count >>what they can take from it in the name of making money. Maybe this is all >>just me trying to make some sense out of it all, but if anyone has thoughts >>on it, I'd be open to hearing other views. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 05:01:27 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: RE: Tsunami NJC Thank you Michael - your efforts make me proud to know you and call you friend. I also will be sending you a check - small as it may be. Joni people will make their presence known - I am sure! Someone at work told me that the quake rocked the earth's axis and actually changed time! It knocked 1/10,000th of a second off our days - so technically, in 30 years a day will have lost a full second. Maybe this doesn't seem like much but I think its kind of scary! I fear our damage to the earth is irreversible - but no time like now to try to hold fast and preserve what we have going forward. I too am stunned by the devastation. But my cynical side says most folks will watch and do nothing or worse - get tired of all the news and damn the media for interfering with their regular scheduled programs. Peace and Happier New Years To All! Susan Catherine McKay wrote: - --- hell wrote: > Bob wrote: > > > Michael - you constantly inspire me, man. Hope you > know that. > > Ditto to that - this is an amazing effort. Michael, > you rock! > > > I'm writing my check to you now and challenge all > my fellow > > JMDLer's who can do so to do the same. > > I'm not donating to this effort, but I will be > making an automatic donation > by phone to the Red Cross here in NZ. > Anyone who is on yahoo.com or yahoo.ca, there are links right on the yahoo pages to various relief efforts, through CARE, Red Cross and others. It's as easy as clicking on a link. The whole thing is unbelievable, very hard to comprehend. 80,000-100,000 souls lost, so far, the population of a good-sized town or small city. This doesn't include the after effects of diseases like typhoid that could easily break out. I do believe that we need to treat the Earth with more respect. I read that the earthquake affected the earth's orbit. That is pretty f*ckin' scary. We can't go bombing the crap out of other countries, testing bombs in scarcely inhabited areas of the world, dumping garbage into the oceans and rivers, stripping forests of their trees, mining the earth for its ore and not expect to pay the price for it. We're all part of a large ecosystem but all too often we behave like parasites. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 05:01:28 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: RE: Tsunami NJC Thank you Michael - your efforts make me proud to know you and call you friend. I also will be sending you a check - small as it may be. Joni people will make their presence known - I am sure! Someone at work told me that the quake rocked the earth's axis and actually changed time! It knocked 1/10,000th of a second off our days - so technically, in 30 years a day will have lost a full second. Maybe this doesn't seem like much but I think its kind of scary! I fear our damage to the earth is irreversible - but no time like now to try to hold fast and preserve what we have going forward. I too am stunned by the devastation. But my cynical side says most folks will watch and do nothing or worse - get tired of all the news and damn the media for interfering with their regular scheduled programs. Peace and Happier New Years To All! Susan Catherine McKay wrote: - --- hell wrote: > Bob wrote: > > > Michael - you constantly inspire me, man. Hope you > know that. > > Ditto to that - this is an amazing effort. Michael, > you rock! > > > I'm writing my check to you now and challenge all > my fellow > > JMDLer's who can do so to do the same. > > I'm not donating to this effort, but I will be > making an automatic donation > by phone to the Red Cross here in NZ. > Anyone who is on yahoo.com or yahoo.ca, there are links right on the yahoo pages to various relief efforts, through CARE, Red Cross and others. It's as easy as clicking on a link. The whole thing is unbelievable, very hard to comprehend. 80,000-100,000 souls lost, so far, the population of a good-sized town or small city. This doesn't include the after effects of diseases like typhoid that could easily break out. I do believe that we need to treat the Earth with more respect. I read that the earthquake affected the earth's orbit. That is pretty f*ckin' scary. We can't go bombing the crap out of other countries, testing bombs in scarcely inhabited areas of the world, dumping garbage into the oceans and rivers, stripping forests of their trees, mining the earth for its ore and not expect to pay the price for it. We're all part of a large ecosystem but all too often we behave like parasites. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 05:49:01 -0800 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Mitchell, Fleming and Russ Bowden...that's me! Hmmm, I saw Ms. Fleming at San Francisco Opera....saw Joni across the Bay in Concord, and I lived right in between! Guess my purchase of THOSL yesterday puts me right in between again. What a wonderful place to be. Fleming did some of the high vocal lines on the soundtrack of LOTR: The Return of the King...If Joni had played Galadriel...(no offence to the remarkable Cate Blanchett) the world would be too much delight for me to bear and stay glumly sane. Anima rising, indeed! Love, Russ From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) Reply-To: joni@smoe.org To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #371 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 03:00:11 -0500 (EST) onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, December 30 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 371 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- going to watery places [Em ] Tsunami [Suzanne MarcAurele ] Re: going to watery places [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: going to watery places [Em ] Re: going to watery places [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: going to watery places [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: going to watery places [Em ] Re: going to watery places [Em ] Re: going to watery places [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: going to watery places [Em ] Re: going to watery places [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: going to watery places [Em ] Future tripping SJC ["Russell Bowden" ] Oprah mag/ Renee Fleming's ear/Joni mention ["janine sherman" ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:41:04 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: going to watery places "Songs are like tattoos - I've been to sea before" ok so going to sea might be a time in life when a person could "tend" to take on a tattoo or 3. Write a song or 30.... what does that mean, 'been to sea"...does it mean cast adrift, or venturing into a scary place you're not sure of, in search of enlightenment or riches, or simply that you've become antisocial? and how does that contrast and or compare with LC's "and Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water, and he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower and when he knew for certain only drowning men could see him, he said all men shall be sailors then, until the sea shall free them"..... one of the best lyrics or bits of poetry ever, for me... BLOWS me away. but Joni went to sea before.... funny how LC didn't say Jesus was a fisherman and all men shall be fishermen, but "sailor" with all the gay raunch that could imply. (not that fishermen are free of raunch - could have asked my 3rd cousin who died last year at age 90, who ran a fisherman's bar in Key West for many years, mid last century) I like that! BLESS Leonard Cohen for that twist. anyway..just wondering if anyone has any thoughts about the concept of "going to sea" and its relationship to creative process. The sea << yet more turbulent indigo, huh? altho you rarely see indigo colored water. Thanks for indulging me... :) Em - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:58:08 -0500 From: Suzanne MarcAurele Subject: Tsunami I am surprised and not that little is stated here on this incredible disaster - yet all were in that disaster so to speak - all seems trivial compared to this in the latest of "biblical" disasters s. - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:02:17 -0500 From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: going to watery places How odd, Em. I have been singing "Blue" all morning. I do believe that you're over-thinking it, though. Let's look at the words: "Blue, songs are like tattoos, you know I've been to sea before ..." I think Joni is just saying that a tattoo -- especially way back in the early 70s -- would indicate that someone had been a sailor. To me, it's much like how a notch in a gun would indicate that someone had killed someone. And that's all. (Oh, no. I hope I haven't restarted the long-dormant "notches liberation doll" thread!) - --Smurf, tattooless and unpierced and unnotched and proud ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:16:47 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: going to watery places Hi Smurf, thanks for playing. Well I'm thinking in images today, mostly.... but if she's being that literal (tattoo? must be a sailor), it seems odd she'd say "I've been to sea before".... and take on sailor-like implications for her willowy self - with that she puts sailor-ness on herself. Really, if anything I'm probably being too loose with it. Just getting lots of "pictures". But also your point is not lost on me that in the early 70's having a tat was way different than nowadays. Maybe best just to go back to the brain pictures.... :) Em - - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > How odd, Em. I have been singing "Blue" all morning. > > I do believe that you're over-thinking it, though. Let's look at the > words: > > "Blue, songs are like tattoos, you know I've been to sea before ..." > > I think Joni is just saying that a tattoo -- especially way back in > the early 70s -- would indicate that someone had been a sailor. To > me, it's much like how a notch in a gun would indicate that someone > had killed someone. And that's all. (Oh, no. I hope I haven't > restarted the long-dormant "notches liberation doll" thread!) > > --Smurf, tattooless and unpierced and unnotched and proud - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:37:53 -0500 From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: going to watery places Hi, Em! I love playing with you. But maybe I should explain myself better. Remember those old SAT analogies? You know, like this: day:night as being awake:being asleep Well, the "Blue" analogy for me would go like this: songs:tattoos as having been in love:having been to sea Does that make any sense to anyone but me? - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:41:53 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: going to watery places Can I play? Hm, can I? I always thought of 'I've been to sea before' as Joni saying, I've done this 'being free' thing. 'Crown and anchor me or let me sail away'. Commit to this relationship or let me go. Enough of this in between stuff. As usual, she's working on different levels is seems, so I can also see the tattoo imagery relating to sailors and being at sea. Then there's needles which relate to tattoos and drug use. So much to absorb and she says it all in just a few words. I think this song is perfect for getting 'pictures' Em. Sometimes I think disecting lyrics doesn't properly convey the way a group of words set to music impacts a listener. You don't have to know what it all means to know what it means (to you). Jenny Em wrote: Hi Smurf, thanks for playing. Well I'm thinking in images today, mostly.... but if she's being that literal (tattoo? must be a sailor), it seems odd she'd say "I've been to sea before".... and take on sailor-like implications for her willowy self - with that she puts sailor-ness on herself. Really, if anything I'm probably being too loose with it. Just getting lots of "pictures". But also your point is not lost on me that in the early 70's having a tat was way different than nowadays. Maybe best just to go back to the brain pictures.... :) Em - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > How odd, Em. I have been singing "Blue" all morning. > > I do believe that you're over-thinking it, though. Let's look at the > words: > > "Blue, songs are like tattoos, you know I've been to sea before ..." > > I think Joni is just saying that a tattoo -- especially way back in > the early 70s -- would indicate that someone had been a sailor. To > me, it's much like how a notch in a gun would indicate that someone > had killed someone. And that's all. (Oh, no. I hope I haven't > restarted the long-dormant "notches liberation doll" thread!) > > --Smurf, tattooless and unpierced and unnotched and proud Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:07:30 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: going to watery places yes! being in love is the "out to sea" of the heart. Is that what you meant, or did I take away from the brutal simplicity of your correlation? makes sense..and so, another way to look at it. The only thing is, being in love is so much more universal than being a sailor.. [altho Jesus did say (in Cohen's song) "all men will be sailors"...] So, ..........someone who's been in love making songs... similar to a sailor getting tattoos. and you could mix it up! a sailor making songs and someone who's been in love getting tattoos (like me - I get tats when I'm furiously angry or terribly emotionally wounded - like from love) anyway, sorry - I'm drawing too many inferences... Em - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Hi, Em! > > I love playing with you. But maybe I should explain myself better. > > Remember those old SAT analogies? You know, like this: > > day:night as being awake:being asleep > > Well, the "Blue" analogy for me would go like this: > > songs:tattoos as having been in love:having been to sea > > Does that make any sense to anyone but me? > > --Smurf - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:17:30 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: going to watery places Hi Jenny! wow you nailed some stuff too. Crown and anchor me...whew....make it official.. I never thought about he anchor part but the crown thing..I guess I thought "checkers"..like how the heck does that fit in. It doesn't. But my brain is attracted to it so hey why not. And I think you're right about the song Blue being a good one for visuals... as are so many of hers and Leonard's. Don't know why every once in a while I get a wild hair like I have to say words about songs. I guess cuz in sharing with other humans you sometimes have to, lol, use words. Blue is a small song in some ways...but HUGE in scope and depth..its like infinity and you can dive down into it, like the duck into the whiskey ocean in Hesitation Blues. OK I'm getting nutty so I will stop. Glad you weighed in on this Jenny - as I know you are a visual art person too, and so its good to "jam" with others who think in those terms. Em ps have been thinking too of those people who were scuba diving when the tsunami came by overhead and clung to coral to keep from the rush...wonder what they "saw" what visuals they got... - --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > Can I play? Hm, can I? > > I always thought of 'I've been to sea before' as Joni saying, I've > done this 'being free' thing. > 'Crown and anchor me or let me sail away'. Commit to this > relationship or let me go. Enough of this in between stuff. > > As usual, she's working on different levels is seems, so I can also > see the tattoo imagery relating to sailors and being at sea. Then > there's needles which relate to tattoos and drug use. > > So much to absorb and she says it all in just a few words. > > I think this song is perfect for getting 'pictures' Em. Sometimes I > think disecting lyrics doesn't properly convey the way a group of > words set to music impacts a listener. You don't have to know what > it all means to know what it means (to you). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:21:37 -0500 From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: going to watery places Em writes: << The only thing is, being in love is so much more universal than being a sailor >> So? I don't get what the universal nature of love vs. the less universal state of being a sailor has to do with it, Em. Didn't Charles Schultz say that love was a cold, wet nose (or something like that)? What's more ubiquitous, love or cold, wet noses? And what does that have to do with anything? And Linda Ronstadt (I think) said that love is a rose. What's more universal, love or roses? And why is this whole discussion making me feel as if I'm on drugs? Damn! My cursor is leaving trails. - --Smurf, floating in a tin can high above the world ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:28:16 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: going to watery places - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > I don't get what the universal nature of love vs. the less universal > state of being a sailor has to do with it, Em. it doesn't matter at all. Just occured to me, so I thought maybe I could say it. I blew it out my ASSSSSS! lol!!!! sorry Smurf. t'was but a fart!!!!! :D ok I'm done with this, you helped me process as far as I needed to. Any other comments will be good to read, but my "need" to volley has been met. Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:29:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: going to watery places Em, you're not getting nutty at all. I think Blue is just like you described. Such a small (short) song but infinite and expansive. It's tapping into something big. I always love it when someone brings up a lyric because so often I'm not really hearing what the lyrics are, so I always gain a new understanding of the song. Em wrote: I know you are a visual art person too, LOL. I thought for a second, oh dear, she has me confused with someone else. But then I remembered, I did the Jonifest logo, lol. Well, I've never thought of myself as a visual art person, but I do appreciate it and I'm certainly a visual artist wannabe. : ) Jenny Em wrote: Hi Jenny! wow you nailed some stuff too. Crown and anchor me...whew....make it official.. I never thought about he anchor part but the crown thing..I guess I thought "checkers"..like how the heck does that fit in. It doesn't. But my brain is attracted to it so hey why not. And I think you're right about the song Blue being a good one for visuals... as are so many of hers and Leonard's. Don't know why every once in a while I get a wild hair like I have to say words about songs. I guess cuz in sharing with other humans you sometimes have to, lol, use words. Blue is a small song in some ways...but HUGE in scope and depth..its like infinity and you can dive down into it, like the duck into the whiskey ocean in Hesitation Blues. OK I'm getting nutty so I will stop. Glad you weighed in on this Jenny - as I know you are a visual art person too, and so its good to "jam" with others who think in those terms. Em ps have been thinking too of those people who were scuba diving when the tsunami came by overhead and clung to coral to keep from the rush...wonder what they "saw" what visuals they got... - --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > Can I play? Hm, can I? > > I always thought of 'I've been to sea before' as Joni saying, I've > done this 'being free' thing. > 'Crown and anchor me or let me sail away'. Commit to this > relationship or let me go. Enough of this in between stuff. > > As usual, she's working on different levels is seems, so I can also > see the tattoo imagery relating to sailors and being at sea. Then > there's needles which relate to tattoos and drug use. > > So much to absorb and she says it all in just a few words. > > I think this song is perfect for getting 'pictures' Em. Sometimes I > think disecting lyrics doesn't properly convey the way a group of > words set to music impacts a listener. You don't have to know what > it all means to know what it means (to you). Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:42:35 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: going to watery places - - --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > Well, I've never thought of myself as a visual art person, but I do > appreciate it and I'm certainly a visual artist wannabe. : ) well, you created that fine logo, so I guess you've been to sea before. :) Em - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:30:11 -0800 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Future tripping SJC Gang, Wishing you all (and you too, Joni) a very Happy New Year. Thanks to Les I for another great year of JMDL. Recently I had to do a lot of moving some long distances several times. I had to reduce my CD library somewhat and had to sell some Jonis. The ones I kept are C&S, Hejira, WTRF and NRH. At Borders today, I allowed myself one Joni (along with the 5 piano concerti of Beethoven, plus the Choral Fantasy by same) which turned out to be THOSL. You really find out which ones mean the most when you don't have them and have the opportunity to re-purchase. If DJRD had been available, I would have taken that...I'm not disappointed at all in my choice......My cup is refilling. Love to all, Russ in Maine (formerly San Francisco, Honolulu and Hollywood, FL. - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:38:31 -0500 From: "janine sherman" Subject: Oprah mag/ Renee Fleming's ear/Joni mention Happy Holidays to all and to all a fabulous New Year! With a little time to catch up on reading my past O magazines, I found a Joni mention in the Live Your Best Life section of 04's December's issue (sorry if it has already been mentioned) page 76. article: What's Playing in Renee Felming's Ear? (American soprano opera/jazz/elfish (LOTR) diva) taken from her recent Memoir The Inner Voice: The Making of a Singer..... Listed first: Joni Mitchell: The Hissing of Summer Lawns She has been a musical touchstone for me since I was about 17 years old. She gave voice to teh kind of young person I was:slightly melancholy, interospective and shy. contestthevote.org Love to all, Janine in balmy Gettysburg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:47:58 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Tsunami Hi Suzanne- I for one have not had the time to even think of the depth of this tragedy. The images I have seen have been so powerful that I tend to numb on contact. As the Disaster Relief Committee Chair for International Hospital for Children I have quietly been putting together a plan to help in some small way. I got this title during Hurricane Mitch when we had our first experience as a foundation with disaster relief. We held a telethon to raise money for our planned efforts, but also opened the door to people bringing in donations directly to us and to other locations in town. BIG MISTAKE!!! The outpouring of love from this community was unbelievable. We had mountains of donations and as volunteers trickled away we were left with a huge amount of work to complete the effort. All in all we raised over $500,000. Dollars (including $135,000 the night of the telethon alone) and sent over $20 Million dollars of in kind (medications, food, clothing, etc.) in 40 containers to Central America to try and help out. This time our effort is going to focus on what we know the best ***MEDICINE and MEDICAL SUPPLIES*** We have a large inventory now and will begin palletizing it soon. In the meantime we are doing fundraising to buy more meds needed from organizations like Blessing's International that sell at pennies on the dollar. I can buy thousands of doses of anti diarrhea and anti biotics for really cheap. Dennis Quaid who is on our Advisory Board is playing in town on New Years Eve at HOB will help us with a video taped appeal for funds for this effort. I just got off the phone with Senator Mary Landrieu (D-La) who helped me last time with air transport to Central America who has agreed to help us again. She is an amazing person and has been very supportive over the years. She is the kind of person who took the time to call me personally from her cell phone even though she is on vacation with her family and will be on the phone for the next couple of days with Colonels and Generals trying to get our donations where we need them to go. We are also planning a concert at HOB to raise more funds to buy more medical supplies. My friend Paul and his wife Mary Ann lived in Jakarta for many years and I have been trying to reach them to consult them on organizations and churches in those countries. If anyone would like to donate to this fund please send your check to: The International Hospital for Children C/O Michael Paz 17 Waverly Place Destrehan, La. 70047 Be sure to write on your check {JMDL Member "2004 Tsunami Relief Fund"} (else wise it will go into the general fund). I received so many donations from JMDL members in 1998 and our board was impressed with this Joni person whoever she is. If you would like more info on IHC please go to http://www.theihc.org/ You can also send it to the address on the website if you prefer, but if you send them to me at least I can monitor better the funds that I have personally helped raise. Thank you all for your support! No amount is too little or too much!! Love Paz > I am surprised and not that little is stated here on this incredible > disaster - yet all were in that disaster so to speak - all seems trivial > compared to this in the latest of "biblical" disasters > > s. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #371 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:37:31 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: tsunami NJC Maggie asked: I just wonder, does the actions of the industrialized world bear any responsibility for this destruction? I am beyond horrified at this tragedy. Have had nightmares several nights running. As soon as I get paid (tomorrow) will donate what I can to help. We do influence quite a bit with our actions. But, no, I don't believe we influence the shifting of tectonic plates. Humans are guilty of LOTS of things, but I don't think this is one of them. We ARE guilty, however, of not valuing all human life, hence the lack of warning system in the Indian Ocean area. (If no one had such warning system, fine, but that's not the case...) As for this administration, how cold can you be? Let's see... the tsunami hit on Sunday, the prez didn't speak publicly until Wednesday. Yeah, that's someone who's deeply concerned. And, in that vein, I've heard of a protest on inauguration day. The idea is to buy nothing, absolutely nothing, on that day as a protest of this administration's policies. Has anyone else heard of this? lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:45:18 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: written in the key of navyblue I just picked up the lyrics from the shiny new JMDL website (wow Les!) Blue is a fine example of Joni Mitchell's ability to paint with words. Joni asks of us ... "nevermind what it means to me, what does it mean to you" Keeping in mind that there is nothing new under the sun, here are some of my streamofconsciousness thoughts on Blue, one of my favourite songs/albums. as the rendering of Blue begins, in my mind, I've never looked at the first line (see below) as that, the first line, as it were. The more familiar, stretched out image of Bluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue seems very much a line of its own. see what I mean? Blue songs are like tattoos laid out like this, she may be talking about "blue songs" , signifiers of a sadshreddedbrokenheart which ultimately leaves a lasting life long impression/tattoo). Whereas, on its own, the word Blue, is a bold statement, painterly Joni lays down the first word/colour splat onto naked canvas, the word stretches across a stark white landscape by itself. Blue, many shades of blue things to come. As we students in the university of Joni have learned, she is talking to Blue, someone who has hurt her very much. Nothing quite like creative catharsis to get you through your days. Within the song, as mentioned many times, lots of great associations with navyblue elements. Blue songs, songs about sadness, are indeed like tatoos, forever etched at the cellular level. If cells die off, why do tatoos stay the same, or do they. Alas, I digress. You know I've been to sea before (sea=see) seems a bit like been there , done that....much more elegant way of saying it though ;-) Crown and anchor me obvious naval associations, continuing in the key of navyblue, and, what clever writing this is. Not much else to say really other than to ask why this song rips the heart out every time. I guess there really is comfort in melancholy, with no need to explain. Finally, I love that this album continues to stoke the fire in us more than thirty years later. Mags np: david lanz night fall ***** Or let me sail away Hey Blue, here is a song for you Ink on a pin Underneath the skin An empty space to fill in Well there're so many sinking now You've got to keep thinking You can make it thru these waves Acid, booze, and ass Needles, guns, and grass Lots of laughs lots of laughs Everybody's saying that hell's the hippest way to go Well I don't think so But I'm gonna take a look around it though Blue I love you Blue here is a shell for you Inside you'll hear a sigh A foggy lullaby There is your song from me imagine you're a girl, with ten mile stilts wailin' jennys 40 days Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:00:38 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: written in the key of navyblue Hi Mags! :) thanks for sending that on. as far as this one part: > Blue songs are like tattoos > > laid out like this, she may be talking about "blue songs" , > signifiers of a sadshreddedbrokenheart which ultimately leaves a > lasting life long impression/tattoo). along those lines the thought occured to me, or "blue" as in "black and blue" or a bruise, also, like a tattoo, the result of whatever - love, hard livin', playing rough... but that's just our privilege as listeners to be able to think whatever the heck we want! I'm just grateful to have this stuff to pour on my head. thanks again Mags and hope you are having a goooood day. Em - --- mags h wrote: > I just picked up the lyrics from the shiny new JMDL website (wow > Les!) > > Blue is a fine example of Joni Mitchell's ability to paint with > words. Joni asks of us ... "nevermind what it means to me, what does > it mean to you" Keeping in mind that there is nothing new under the > sun, here are some of my streamofconsciousness thoughts on Blue, one > of my favourite songs/albums. > > as the rendering of Blue begins, in my mind, I've never looked at the > first line (see below) as that, the first line, as it were. The more > familiar, stretched out image of Bluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue seems very much > a line of its own. > > see what I mean? > > Blue songs are like tattoos > > laid out like this, she may be talking about "blue songs" , > signifiers of a sadshreddedbrokenheart which ultimately leaves a > lasting life long impression/tattoo). > > Whereas, on its own, the word Blue, is a bold statement, painterly > Joni lays down the first word/colour splat onto naked canvas, the > word stretches across a stark white landscape by itself. Blue, many > shades of blue things to come. > > As we students in the university of Joni have learned, she is talking > to Blue, someone who has hurt her very much. Nothing quite like > creative catharsis to get you through your days. > > Within the song, as mentioned many times, lots of great associations > with navyblue elements. > > Blue songs, songs about sadness, are indeed like tatoos, forever > etched at the cellular level. If cells die off, why do tatoos stay > the same, or do they. Alas, I digress. > > You know I've been to sea before > > (sea=see) > > seems a bit like been there , done that....much more elegant way of > saying it though ;-) > > Crown and anchor me > > obvious naval associations, continuing in the key of navyblue, and, > what clever writing this is. > > Not much else to say really other than to ask why this song rips the > heart out every time. I guess there really is comfort in melancholy, > with no need to explain. > > Finally, I love that this album continues to stoke the fire in us > more than thirty years later. > > Mags > np: david lanz night fall > > ***** > > > > Or let me sail away > Hey Blue, here is a song for you > Ink on a pin > Underneath the skin > An empty space to fill in > Well there're so many sinking now > You've got to keep thinking > You can make it thru these waves > Acid, booze, and ass > Needles, guns, and grass > Lots of laughs lots of laughs > Everybody's saying that hell's the hippest way to go > Well I don't think so > But I'm gonna take a look around it though > Blue I love you > > Blue here is a shell for you > Inside you'll hear a sigh > A foggy lullaby > There is your song from me > > > > > > imagine you're a girl, with ten mile stilts > > wailin' jennys > 40 days > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn > more. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:56:20 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Tsunami Hi my dear friend Paz, When I read this post and how you were directing your efforts for to help with this disaster, my heart smiled. Yes, yes, yes, it is so right on. All I have been thinking about is trying to prevent further deaths. When I heard on the news that the number of dead could double due to outbreaks of disease and lack of medical supplies, I felt a need of urgency to make sure this does not happen. Before checking my JMDL post, I made a contribution to the International Red Cross. My first instinct was to send a mass email out to as many people that I knew to help get this initial launch of medical supplies to this region as soon as possible and to be wary of those making calls and internet inquires asking for donations. Even in a time like this, some people would try to steal money intended for the victims...hard to believe. Paz, I join everyone else in saying that I also think you are an inspiration. I know you are just concerned about getting these people the help they need but it really is inspiring to see someone willing to do what it takes to make a difference in this world. It inspires others to do the same so take the credit. It's like a tree bearing luscious fruit; it feeds so many. Kindness and thoughtfullness begets kindness and thoughtfulnes. Even though I contributed electronically to the Red Cross, I would still like to help your organization. There is so much to be done and keeping people alive and healthy will be a monumental task. It's going to take a long time to accomplish. For me personally, it's time to join the human race and live. 2005 is going to be the year of giving. Though there are no words to convey the depth of this tragedy all we can do is reach out and help one person at a time, one day at a time. Paz...this is your legacy...that you helped to change the world. I love you and we all love you! Sherelle Paz wrote: Hi Suzanne- I for one have not had the time to even think of the depth of this tragedy. The images I have seen have been so powerful that I tend to numb on contact. As the Disaster Relief Committee Chair for International Hospital for Children I have quietly been putting together a plan to help in some small way. I got this title during Hurricane Mitch when we had our first experience as a foundation with disaster relief. We held a telethon to raise money for our planned efforts, but also opened the door to people bringing in donations directly to us and to other locations in town. BIG MISTAKE!!! The outpouring of love from this community was unbelievable. We had mountains of donations and as volunteers trickled away we were left with a huge amount of work to complete the effort. All in all we raised over $500,000. Dollars (including $135,000 the night of the telethon alone) and sent over $20 Million dollars of in kind (medications, food, clothing, etc.) in 40 containers to Central America to try and help out. This time our effort is going to focus on what we know the best ***MEDICINE and MEDICAL SUPPLIES*** We have a large inventory now and will begin palletizing it soon. In the meantime we are doing fundraising to buy more meds needed from organizations like Blessing's International that sell at pennies on the dollar. I can buy thousands of doses of anti diarrhea and anti biotics for really cheap. Dennis Quaid who is on our Advisory Board is playing in town on New Years Eve at HOB will help us with a video taped appeal for funds for this effort. I just got off the phone with Senator Mary Landrieu (D-La) who helped me last time with air transport to Central America who has agreed to help us again. She is an amazing person and has been very supportive over the years. She is the kind of person who took the time to call me personally from her cell phone even though she is on vacation with her family and will be on the phone for the next couple of days with Colonels and Generals trying to get our donations where we need them to go. We are also planning a concert at HOB to raise more funds to buy more medical supplies. My friend Paul and his wife Mary Ann lived in Jakarta for many years and I have been trying to reach them to consult them on organizations and churches in those countries. If anyone would like to donate to this fund please send your check to: The International Hospital for Children C/O Michael Paz 17 Waverly Place Destrehan, La. 70047 Be sure to write on your check {JMDL Member "2004 Tsunami Relief Fund"} (else wise it will go into the general fund). I received so many donations from JMDL members in 1998 and our board was impressed with this Joni person whoever she is. If you would like more info on IHC please go to http://www.theihc.org/ You can also send it to the address on the website if you prefer, but if you send them to me at least I can monitor better the funds that I have personally helped raise. Thank you all for your support! No amount is too little or too much!! Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:06:03 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: NJC,more on Wally's Week As we continue to celebrate "Wally's Week", let me wing more wonderful wishes down to Wally World, and to ALL of you dear hearts on this list -- here, there, and everywhere. "Bei Mir Bist Du Schvn, please let me explain, Bei Mir Bist Du Schvn means that you're grand. Bei Mir Bist Du Schvn, again I'll explain, It means that you're the fairest in the land. I could say 'Bella, bella,' even say 'Wunderbar.' Each language only helps me tell you how grand you are." (author unknown, sung by the Andrews Sisters) Patti, being silly, trying to rise above her own personal "Stormy Weather" and the horrible and horrific global "Stormy Weather" (but a check is on the way to you, Paz! Bravo for your work!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:25:38 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: Re: NJC, Schones Geburtstag an Wally K Wally wrote: "by the way, is psychoanalysis (freud, lacan, melanie klein) at all present in university curricula in the US?" Why would we need it here in the US, when we have all these fabulous drugs to take for every problem? Did you know Bush has a plan to have the entire population of the U.S. screened for mental problems, and have drugs prescribed accordingly? He wants to start with the little kiddies and then work up through the rest of the population. Coincidentally, his father is or was on the board of directors of Eli Lilly, manufacturer of Prozac. Pharmaceutical companies contributed heavily to the Bush campaign. Michael Moore's next project will take on the pharmaceutical industry - I can't wait to see it. Here are some links for you: http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7454/1458 http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/000634.html http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/2004-06-21-Bush-screen-mental-llness-US.htm Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:37:14 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC, Schones Geburtstag an Wally K/ now drugs vs shrink - --- Ruth Davis wrote: > Did you know Bush has a plan to > have the entire population of the U.S. screened for mental problems, > and have drugs prescribed accordingly? He wants to start with the > little kiddies and then work up through the rest of the population. ...snip... maybe we will see a day when the counter-culture people are the ones who refuse to do drugs - rather than, as in the 60's the ones who *do* drugs. Hey man I'm gonna be straight! Turn OFF, tune in, drop out. I need to re-read Cuckoo's Nest. :) Em << I would love to have a shrink...I'm thinkin' Melfi. Be my Melfi! gawd I lurv Melfi.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:55:18 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: going to watery places, jc Em, It means all of those things at once. When the listener is in a different frame of mind, the meaning shifts slightly. This is not ambiguity; it is brilliant multiplicity. Joni's ability to stack up multiple meanings is central to my claim that she's in a circle of 2 lyricists of her generation. She has one peer but there "ain't no one" better. But you knew this. You just like to take the words apart and marvel at them, right? :) I love this list because FOR 20 YEARS I DIDN'T KNOW A SINGLE PERSON WHO "GOT" THESE WORDS. Lama Em said, >ok so "going to sea" might be a time in life when a person could "tend" >to take on a tattoo or or . what does that mean, 'been to sea"? > Joni said, >>"Songs are like tattoos - I've been to sea before">> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:49:24 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: written in the key of navyblue Mags Wrote: Blue is a fine example of Joni Mitchell's ability to paint with words. Joni asks of us ... "nevermind what it means to me, what does it mean to you" I agree completely - some songs original meanings have nothing to do with what emotions and/or memories it brings out in all of us. But it is interesting and fun to try and decipher what our Queen of Duplicity had in mind. Magsie continued: Blue begins, in my mind, I've never looked at the first line (see below) as that, the first line, as it were. The more familiar, stretched out image of Bluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue seems very much a line of its own. Again I have the same feelings here - almost as if she is announcing or outlining her poem with its title. And lastly Mags wrote: Crown and anchor me obvious naval associations, continuing in the key of navyblue, and, what clever writing this is Now here I see Joni speaking of the dichotomy within herself - She would love to be someones Queen - (wife, bride lover) but she also fears being anchored (not free, owned, held down) so so instead she chooses to just sail away- leave hit - the highway. Just a few thoughts, on a few of your impressions - Thanks Magsie - its been awhile since I played with this - it was fun and stimulating! Peace, Susan mags h wrote: I just picked up the lyrics from the shiny new JMDL website (wow Les!) Blue is a fine example of Joni Mitchell's ability to paint with words. Joni asks of us ... "nevermind what it means to me, what does it mean to you" Keeping in mind that there is nothing new under the sun, here are some of my streamofconsciousness thoughts on Blue, one of my favourite songs/albums. as the rendering of Blue begins, in my mind, I've never looked at the first line (see below) as that, the first line, as it were. The more familiar, stretched out image of Bluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue seems very much a line of its own. see what I mean? Blue songs are like tattoos laid out like this, she may be talking about "blue songs" , signifiers of a sadshreddedbrokenheart which ultimately leaves a lasting life long impression/tattoo). Whereas, on its own, the word Blue, is a bold statement, painterly Joni lays down the first word/colour splat onto naked canvas, the word stretches across a stark white landscape by itself. Blue, many shades of blue things to come. As we students in the university of Joni have learned, she is talking to Blue, someone who has hurt her very much. Nothing quite like creative catharsis to get you through your days. Within the song, as mentioned many times, lots of great associations with navyblue elements. Blue songs, songs about sadness, are indeed like tatoos, forever etched at the cellular level. If cells die off, why do tatoos stay the same, or do they. Alas, I digress. You know I've been to sea before (sea=see) seems a bit like been there , done that....much more elegant way of saying it though ;-) Crown and anchor me obvious naval associations, continuing in the key of navyblue, and, what clever writing this is. Not much else to say really other than to ask why this song rips the heart out every time. I guess there really is comfort in melancholy, with no need to explain. Finally, I love that this album continues to stoke the fire in us more than thirty years later. Mags np: david lanz night fall ***** Or let me sail away Hey Blue, here is a song for you Ink on a pin Underneath the skin An empty space to fill in Well there're so many sinking now You've got to keep thinking You can make it thru these waves Acid, booze, and ass Needles, guns, and grass Lots of laughs lots of laughs Everybody's saying that hell's the hippest way to go Well I don't think so But I'm gonna take a look around it though Blue I love you Blue here is a shell for you Inside you'll hear a sigh A foggy lullaby There is your song from me imagine you're a girl, with ten mile stilts wailin' jennys 40 days Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #510 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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