From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #507 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 28 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 507 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Tidal Waves njc [Jamie Zubairi ] George Michael Sings Joni [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: George Michael Sings Joni [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: The Five People You Meet in Heaven NJC ["Patti Parlette" ] Keep it light, njc ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Keep it light, njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:22:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Tidal Waves njc Dear All I'm sure you've all heard about the massive tidal waves that have hit SouthEast Asia. We're just trying to find out if any of my family have been affected as the north of Malaysia has been struck with a death toll of about 80. My cousin lives in the North and as it the school holidays, we're just worried that she and her children would've gone on holiday to Langkawi or Penang which is really close to them. I hope everyone is well and safe. Much Joni Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:08:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: George Michael Sings Joni Listening to Radio2 today in a programme called Song By Song (or something like that) Paul Gambaccini was interviewing G Michael about singing and songwriting. GM was very complimentary about our Joan and was saying something like how you can listen to her music and slowly you get all these pictures in your head and then proceeded to sing a band version of Edith & The Kingpin. Rather truthful, if a little reverant, version of the original. Gambo asked 'Why that one' and GM said that HOSL was largely written about LA and he bought the album while he was living there (was this during his toilet visits?) and was living in a hotel and was up late at night listening to the noise the hotel makes late at night and then it struck him how right Joni was. We always said it. Joni MItchell never lies. Much Joni Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:14:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: George Michael Sings Joni The whole hour can be heard on this link for the next 7 days. I think Joni section is about 45 minutes into it. I haven't heard the whole thing tho, I came in just as he was talking about Joni http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/soldonsong/whatson/georgemichael.shtml --- Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Listening to Radio2 today in a programme called Song > By Song (or something like that) Paul Gambaccini was > interviewing G Michael about singing and > songwriting. > GM was very complimentary about our Joan and was > saying something like how you can listen to her > music > and slowly you get all these pictures in your head > and > then proceeded to sing a band version of Edith & The > Kingpin. Rather truthful, if a little reverant, > version of the original. Gambo asked 'Why that one' > and GM said that HOSL was largely written about LA > and > he bought the album while he was living there (was > this during his toilet visits?) and was living in a > hotel and was up late at night listening to the > noise > the hotel makes late at night and then it struck him > how right Joni was. > > We always said it. Joni MItchell never lies. > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:35:17 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: The Five People You Meet in Heaven NJC Oh, dear Emiliano -- our heartfelt sympathies to you! And leave it to YOU to find the GOOD in her passing (that it was quick, and that you were there with her). God bless you and your whole family. How can I comfort you? Perhaps these words from a dear friend's memorial service (Kristie Wood, R.I.P.) will help, from a hymn I had never heard before. It seems appropriate now, and even JMDLish and Joni-like in many ways in its universal truths. (Sorry, I do not know the author's name. Maybe Rev. Vince does?) When We Have Gathered When we are gathered for a time Of worship and of song, Let none forget the joys and griefs, That mark each path of live and thus, We reach for those we love, We reach for those we love. For youth shall pass and time is wise, And countless seasons turn, So day by day our years increase Until at last by life released Our spirits shine like stars, Our spirits shine like stars. - ------- "We reach for those we love........": you reached out to US on the JMDL, since we have "gathered for a time of worship and of song........" "Countless seasons turn...": Circle Game, naturellement! "Our spirits shine like stars...": Stardust! Golden! May your dear mother rest in peace and may her spirit shine on in you and in your girls. Surely she was a wonderful woman to have raised such a loving son. Un muy grande transatlantic abrazo, Patti >From: Michael Paz >To: Emiliano , Patti Parlette >, Joni Digest >Subject: Re: The Five People You Meet in Heaven NJC >Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:01:04 -0600 > >Emiliano >My deepest sympathy to you and your family. My you heal quickly. Like you >say you were very lucky to have her at home with you. My mom was so far >away >which added to the pain. > >Best, > >Paz > > > Hi, Patti, it's you who're sooooo dear, Thank You! > > > > In other hand, I'm sorry to tell you that my mummy has just died >yesterday: > > Fortunately, death came to her very quickly, so she didn't suffer for >long. > > I had the inmense lucky, too, that she were in my house at the moment... > > > > I felt I had to tell you: > > people in this list had became very dear to my heart: even though I >don't > > write much lately, I keep reading messages with very interest and funny > > (even the ones about abba and so)... > > > > As S&G did say in their The Only Living Boy In New York: > > "I've got the news I need in the JMDL" > > > > Lots of Hugs and tears from the Europe Northwest corner: > > Emiliano ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:51:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Alison's Best of 2004 list (Alison sent this to me and asked that I forward it along, so here 'tis...) Bob M, I want to see your best of 04 list! I missed whatever digest that was in. I've been reading them sporadically lately. Email it to me! Here's mine: Rufus Wainwright: because it's rufus Tres Chicas: Sweetwater Wailin' Jennys: 40 Days Finn Brothers: Everyone is Here Ryan Adams: Love is Hell Parts one and two, I said it. Ani DiFranco - Educated Guess Deathcab for Cutie - Transatlanticism Mindy Smith - One Moment More Patty Griffin - Impossible Dream Sarah Harmer - All of Our Names Bruce Hornsby - Halcyon Days Ben harper & The Blind Boys from AL - There Will Be a Light and if you want to see how I mix up this crazy sheeeat, listen to my show: http://www.krcl.org/programs/wedbj.htm hope y'all are well, and HAPPY HOLIDAYS to everyone! xoxo Alison E in SLC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:03:36 -0500 From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! - njc First the birth of the baby Jesus is celebrated. Now it's time to pay homage to that other luminous December baby: our beloved *w*, aka Wally. For this sacred occasion, I have spent the Christmas holiday in deep seclusion working on a poem. (Okay, *limerick*.) Here goes: There once was a birthday boy named Wally Who was as cute and cuddly as a dolly. He said with a grin As he wiped off his chin, "More birthday cake, by golly!" Happy birthday, dear *w*. May you get everything you wish for on this special day. XO, - --Smurf, the Birthday Gnome ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:20:56 +0000 From: revrvl@comcast.net Subject: Re: The Five People You Meet in Heaven NJC Sorry, I don't recognize the words nor could I find them in a quick google search, although I would have liked to. Reflecting on the death of my own mother brings back a lot of memories. We always understood each other (although seldom agreed) and she knew she could count on me to be honest with her when everyone else was not. And I was alone with her in the hospital when she had the stroke that took her from the conscious world. Against her very expressed will, my father and younger sister kept her going on life support for a year - I refused to see my mother then on the grounds that she was already dead and any keeping of her body going was totally adamently what she did not want. I am glad I have no memories of her in that situation - oh she would have hated it and I could do nothing to make it how she wanted - but doesn't that sound terrible to have not seen my mother for the last year of her "life." Anyway, when thankfully her body gave out, the body in the casket resembled my mother in no way. I actually thought they had the wrong body in there until I found an angle to look at the body that did in fact resemble her. I was glad it did not look like her, for it confirmed that it was not my mother in the casket, it was just a dead body. We had much time to talk before the stroke/her death, and it was good I was unemployed then in retrospect because I had the time. There was nothing unsaid between us, and that is a very good and comforting thing, and I am very lucky that was the case. There are times that I still miss her of course. But then again, I was her funeral attending partner for many years (large family, many funerals, and no one would/could go with her) and I knew how she felt about things soo there is that. The worst thing was when she looked at me and asked me how bad it (the cancer) really was. We both knew that she knew I would force the doctor to tell me everything (he started by saying my mother had "problems" in her "female parts" and I told him to cut the shit and tell em what was going on) and we both knew that she knew that I was the only one who would tell her the truth. So it was also the best thing when she looked at me and asked how how bad it was, because she did trust me, alone, to be honest when everyone else was in denial. Of course I had to tell her. And she like me - or I like her - always want those things straight up. Sorry for the melancoly thoughts. Vince Perhaps these words from a dear friend's memorial > service (Kristie Wood, R.I.P.) will help, from a hymn I had never heard > before. It seems appropriate now, and even JMDLish and Joni-like in many > ways in its universal truths. (Sorry, I do not know the author's name. > Maybe Rev. Vince does?) > > When We Have Gathered > > When we are gathered for a time > Of worship and of song, > Let none forget the joys and griefs, > That mark each path of live and thus, > We reach for those we love, > We reach for those we love. > > For youth shall pass and time is wise, > And countless seasons turn, > So day by day our years increase > Until at last by life released > Our spirits shine like stars, > Our spirits shine like stars. > Patti ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:38:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! njc thank you, bob my one and only gnome!!!! this year i've decided that only one day is simply NOT enough to celebrate ONE'S birthday so i'll be living on december 27 until january 2. in fact, my birthday party will be on jan 1. do you want to come (several times? oo la la, naughty me!)? folks, i'll be receiving birthday greetings and excellent wishes all day and week. do not miss this opportunity to please me. love, *W*, winged and self-adoring > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Smurfycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Lunes, 27 de Diciembre de 2004 06:04 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! > > > First the birth of the baby Jesus is celebrated. > > Now it's time to pay homage to that other luminous December baby: > our beloved *w*, aka Wally. > > For this sacred occasion, I have spent the Christmas holiday in > deep seclusion working on a poem. (Okay, *limerick*.) Here goes: > > There once was a birthday boy named Wally > Who was as cute and cuddly as a dolly. > He said with a grin > As he wiped off his chin, > "More birthday cake, by golly!" > > Happy birthday, dear *w*. May you get everything you wish for on > this special day. > > XO, > > --Smurf, the Birthday Gnome ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:14:55 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! njc --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > folks, i'll be receiving birthday greetings and > excellent wishes all day and > week. do not miss this opportunity to please me. > > love, > > *W*, winged and self-adoring > Wappy wirthday, Wally and best wishes to the BF. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:16:39 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *w*! *... Bobi the birthday gnome wrote: > Now it's time to pay homage to that other luminous December baby: our > beloved *w*, aka Wally. > Happy Birthday my baby Walter! I hope you celebrate in style and may you find that "silver daddy". Also a belated birthday to my Aussie mate John Low. You're the best wombat ever. love you both, DBF Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:37:45 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Norah Jones - njc now Agreed. At work a friend of mine was bemoaning the Music System especially how it locked out all of the reggae bands he used to see every week here in Cincinnati. I disagreed somewhat, based on how well the System brought us quality stuff, meaning my old school music. Atlantic Records found a minister's daughter and and electric blues band & had the sense to package both Aretha Franklin & Led Zepplin. Columbia found a disciple of Woody Guthrie in NYC and although I can't recall his name, some people think he was pretty influential. Warner/Electra/Asylum found Emmylou, Neil, & Joni for us. Capital signed a skiffle group from Liverpool; I think they had many, many good ideas. I must be getting old but I think the system has done all right. The latest example is Norah Jones. The pond-scum System had the Sense to surround that caramel voice with an eclectic collection of Talent to give her the right setting. I think we used to call it "light rock" or "alt-country". Labels still stink but the System rocks. the glass is half full, Lama PS, there is NO spoon. From: Bobsart48@aol.com >Of particular interest to me was her band. Basically country/western in roots, I thought, but extremely versatile when they moved outside their genre. I do not recall the members, but I pegged them as top notch. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:56:38 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Keep it light, njc Yo, King Of Pain here. I hope everyone had a nice Holiday season. If you're going through a rough patch, I'll be around, so write off-list if you want to. There are lots of Joni fans who have had bouts of depression. I am one. If you are too, here are some ideas for coping and conquering. This is an unsorted, non-judgemental list of "What Works", from people who know from experience: * Find happiness in what you have (instead of pining for what you don't.) but... * Do not become resolved to complacency. So, you're both finding happiness and actively looking & struggling towards it. There's a paradox in there, that makes it difficult, I suspect. * Leave the dangers of the inner city and move to the country. * Keep a gratitude list to refer to. Write down 5 things that you're grateful for every night before bed. * Eat a diet of healthy foods (reducing sugars and watching carb intake and overly-processed food "junk calorie" intake, especially) * Get a close support group of friends or family (or a more traditional support group) to talk with, and that you trust enough to listen to (and then take action) if they say they're worried about you. * Be willing to call in professional help if things start feeling truly hopeless * Take a hot, hot, hot shower or soak your feet in hot water * Eat something, especially protein and some complex carbs, even if you don't feel hungry * Go to a good movie and get lost in the story * Go on a road trip to someplace new * If at all possible, force yourself to get some kind of exercise - - even for 5 minutes * So be it, remind yourself it's temporary and rent a bunch of movies you love to get through the day/week/month. Get comfy and read a good book, magazine, or do crosswords. * Get to know your depression - are there triggers? does it take a certain form (ups and downs - or chronic)? does it happen during a certain time of the year? month? day? * See your physician, acupuncturist, herbalist, therapist, or other health practitioner of your choice (note it can take a LOT of legwork to find someone who is right for you - don't give up). * Get sleep. If you have a sleep disorder, see someone to help you treat it. You may be the kind of person who needs to exercise pretty hard almost everyday in order to sleep well. * Try "light therapy" in the fall, winter, and spring * Ultimately you have to come to some peace within. It all comes down to faith- about oneself- that 'you'll be alright', that the world is not totally mad (and you are the only sane one there- or visa versa), and that there is a reason, somewhere, for everything. * Talk to people who have depression. Talk to people who don't have depression, but who understand that it is a very real condition that effects you physically, emotionally, and spiritually. Ask them to let you know when they think your depression is starting to become a problem again - it's very sneaky and you may not realize it's happening. * Do things you love. If you have lost interest in everything, do things you know you *used* to love. * Be kind to yourself. If you're beating yourself up, imagine saying the things you are saying to yourself to someone you love dearly. It sounds ridiculous doesn't it? So knock it off! * Take some risks. Challenge yourself. Do things that make you feel proud. Get involved in outside commitments that force you to participate in the world even if it's the last thing you want to do. * Your mantra when you simply cannot get out of the hell that is your brain or you are thinking of suicide: AND THIS TOO SHALL PASS. Batten down the hatches and wait it out, doing the best that you can, and being very forgiving, understanding, and gentle with yourself. * And if you are feeling this way quite frequently GET HELP. * Don't count out antidepressants - they are not an easy way out, but a brave and difficult choice. They are not a miracle cure and can be a mixed bag. But they may greatly improve the quality of your life. * Listen to a lot of sad music (sad doesn't necessarily equal depressing - it's catharsis) so I can get good and blubbery and cry it out (cleans out the eyes and sinuses at the same time. Bonus.) * Listening to joyful music. Some of my all-time joyful music(s) are: Exultate, Jubilate by Mozart; Hungry Heart by Bruuuuuuccce (especially when played good and loud while driving, driving, driving, with the windows open) * Volunteer: If at the end of the day the world is a better place because you worked in a soup kitchen, or helped teach someone to read, or picked up litter off the highway, you know that you've made a difference, that it matters that you're here, and that there are a host of others out there who are much worse off than you * Music: Like Jackson Browne says, "let the music keep our spirits high", like JT says "singing works just fine for me" All the best, King of Pain PS> I'm fine. I'm just passing this stuff on. Thanks to everyone who contributed especially the Alabam contingent for getting me off my duff this year. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:06:52 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Keep it light, njc Among lots of very good advice for fighting depression, Jim writes: << * Leave the dangers of the inner city and move to the country. >> Honestly, Jim, if I moved to the country I think it would be a very short while before my mouth found the business end of a shotgun and my big toe found the trigger. Although I agree that being close to nature can be a great way to fight depression, I don't think it's necessary for everyone to flee Dodge and settle in the hinterlands when their spirits start to sink. Jim also said: << * If at all possible, force yourself to get some kind of exercise >> In my experience, this wisdom should be right up front in 24-point caps and bold. I don't think it's possible to tell depressed people often enough -- because depression can make anyone lethargic to the nth degree -- that exercise really does work wonders. Exercise creates a sort of *earned* sense of well-being, as far as I'm concerned, that just can't be found in a drug (prescription or otherwise) or a drink. Makes your blood start to move, too, and get oxygenated in the process. It can also help you get into better physical shape, which can make you a regular firecracker in bed, which in turn can lead to more frequent sex, even if -- as in my case -- you're all alone when it happens. Anyway, the point is I think exercise is the first "treatment" someone should consider when fighting depression. In fact, I don't think depression can exist very well alongside frequent vigorous exercise. And here's one you missed, Jim: Alcohol is a depressant. So for anyone who may be depressed and using alcohol or trying to fight the depression with alcohol, maybe you should ask yourself if you really think it's a good idea to flood your already depressed system with a depressant. And if none of this works, then redecorate the hell out of whatever little hovel you find yourself in! - --Smurf, depression-free since, well, this afternoon ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #507 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)