From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #498 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, December 19 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 498 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC Congratulations Michael Paz!! [colin ] Russian scam, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] December 16!!!! [Kerry ] Re: sketches of Dylan NJC/ more rambling [Em ] Re: Emmylou update njc ["ron" ] Re: NJC (Sadly so) Year-end wrap up [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Emmylou update njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: sketches of Dylan NJC/ more rambling [Catherine McKay ] Re: sketches of Dylan NJC/ more rambling ["ron" ] The Boss was RE: sketches of Dylan NJC/ more rambling ["Richard Flynn" <] tuning question NJC [mags h ] does she cry ... kat parsons njc [mags h ] RE: tuning question NJC ["Les Irvin" ] Re: tuning question NJC [Randy Remote ] RE: tuning question NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] Joni mention in NYT [Moni Kellermann ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:51:52 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Congratulations Michael Paz!! Michael Paz wrote: >Hi Cilin >And Happy belated Birthday! > Thank you. > Latinos are from the Caribbean basin as opposed >from mother Spain. Most Latinos have roots in Spain, but the Latino >definition lets you know there were born in Central America or thereabouts. > > That is how I thought it was. However, I know that people refer to my mother as 'latin', even she does. You know, 'latin temperament' whatever that is supposed to mean. I guess it means we are volatile! >Paz (in 8 year old (ten 8 year olds) birthday sleepover HELL!) > > > > >>Excuse my ignorance. What is the difference between Hispanic and Latino? >>What does being half Spanish make one? Hispanic or Latino? >> >> > > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:57:07 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Russian scam, njc Hi Last night I re-suscribed to the list since I hadn't been getting it for several days. What do you know, I get a scam email today. But the interesting part as you can see is that they INTERCEPTED my request to get my address. Laurent - ----- Original Message ----- From: "zak_ser" To: Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: Be my partner > Dear friend, > I have a profiling amount in an excess of US$423M, > which I seek yourpartnership in accommodating for me. You will be rewarded > with 40% of thetotal sum for your partnership. Can you be my partner on > this? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:57:28 -0800 (PST) From: Kerry Subject: December 16!!!! Colin, I'm emerging from the shadows to wish you the HAPPIEST of birthdays! It was great to finally have met you in April. Has it really been 8 months already? Take care, Kerry Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:08:37 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: sketches of Dylan NJC/ more rambling In his post Fred wrote: > For decades now, I've frequently heard complaints about so-and-so's > music being "over produced." Again, it may be, but not in an ipso > facto sense. Hi Fred, yes I can see the truth in all the points you make. However if someone complains something is overproduced, then probably they smelled something funny. But I can think of several people's music that became unattractive (to me) when they revved up the production. Gordon Lightfoot comes to mind..I have his early stuff in its original form and then I have this greatest hits where they added strings and all this stuff...my god, why? And also Springsteen was so good-sounding til they introduced that faux wall of sound thing around the Born to Run era. Of course some highly finished things are really great! Paintings too! Old masters' stuff is great to look at too. I guess the good thing is that there's all kinds of music for all kinds of taste. Although if you lived on my street you might only think there was rap..sheesh rattled my windows and got me up at 8:30 this morning. I'll have to play some Phil Ochs REALLY loud when I go out to work outside. All I ask is that art remain fresh. And of course some of it never was fresh...but i guess its all what a person perceives. Lots of Dylan's stuff has been largely so free of pretense (to me). Its as if he created the stuff to sing out into the void, and let the void do with it what it may. But I bet others disagree - they find it very pretentious. Another one who started out squeaky clean and ended up imho polished to the point of being no longer very interesting - Joan Armatrading. That first album (nearly all acoustic), of hers with Pam Nestor, sheesh it cut like a knife..then after that they draped it in pearls and smeared it with what seems like smarm to me. But some people like those big stage bands. Sorry I haven't been able to comment about your classical music references - I have not much of a clue there. But one thing, classical music to me never comes off "over-produced" to me, just sometimes really really "big". Big, but genuine. Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:44:28 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Emmylou update njc hi ash > I heard Emmylou on the TV last year and thought I quite liked her music, > ..I > am now the owner of 12 of her albums (that's what I got in the last 6 > months!, through friends mainly) who are these friends - please introduce theme!!! emmylou's music is great - to me she is on of the greats of our time. perhaps not the writer & adventurer that joni is - but musically just plain superb. guess youll find a good couple of emmylou fans here. even a couple who cant quite get past the country music thing, but still recognise & respect her talent. >>>> also on the site was a chance to win a signed copy of the above album >>>> you mentioned...but as I could not answer any of the questions...I did >>>> not bother... anybody out there know the answers & care to spread them around???? >>>>but its funny how you like someone's music in say the 70's and they ARE still going strong now...I think the fun is rediscovering? But some of it will sound dated..... dated is certainly a description i would not apply to emmylou's music. i get a kick out of playing a couple of prime tracks (boulder to birmingham, pieces of the sky, easy from now on, quarter moon in a ten cent town etc.) to younger people, and seeing that look in their eyes as it gets to them & they realise just how great she is. >>>but its fun as when someone on the site rates an album above another...I >>>make a mental note to try to get that album and have a list of Joni DVDs >>>I should get for me theres one clear album that stand out head & shoulders - and its also on dvd - thats shadows & light - which is to me the greatest album ever by anyone anywhere anytime. & the dvds just as good - she does a performance of amelia which is just mindblowing & has to be seen to be appreciated. >>>>>and try to buy ALL Ashara's tapes......but as I generally log on at >>>>>night..by the morning...family matters have arrived and that bit of 'spare' money is now gone..aaah well..but I know the pleasure awaits, by going slowly in collecting.......but if I could, I would be like some on the site..having everything by Ms Mitchell.. well im nowhere near having everything she has released - but if you want a couple of live shows - send me your address - or for instant gratification you could go over to the file sharing setup some of the listers have - where you will feel pretty much like a kid in candy store!!! i *finally* managed to get hold of emmylou's "gliding bird" there >>> myself have some rare 45's from other artists.....that are now with my son (16).......glued to his bedroom wall! as art decorations...ah well! i went into a 2nd hand shop the other day - & made them pull an old beatles 45 off the wall & sell it to me!!! cost me whole 50 cents (less than 10cents us) i think its gonna find its way back up onto a wall cause i dont have anything else to do with it. > Hope you have a good Holiday (you have to be sooooo PC as not to offend) > and well...just have a good one! have a great one too!!! ron np - warren zevon - the factory - (courtesy of jmdl file sharing..............) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:31:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC (Sadly so) Year-end wrap up In a message dated 12/17/2004 8:04:31 PM Central Standard Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: > What, no mention of kd lang? I've had Hymns of the 49th Parallel on > constant rotation in the car for the past couple of weeks, and it's fast > becoming a favourite. No - it was OK, and her cover of Jericho nearly knocked Diana's 'Black Crow' off its perch, but on the whole it wasn't something I was too crazy about in the long run, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:55:17 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Emmylou update njc --- ron wrote: dated is certainly a description i would not apply > to emmylou's music. i get > a kick out of playing a couple of prime tracks > (boulder to birmingham, > pieces of the sky, easy from now on, quarter moon in > a ten cent town etc.) > to younger people, and seeing that look in their > eyes as it gets to them & > they realise just how great she is. > I agree. Emmylou never sounds dated. Maybe that's what makes classics. > well im nowhere near having everything [Joni] has > released - but if you want a > couple of live shows - send me your address - or for > instant gratification > you could go over to the file sharing setup some of > the listers have - where > you will feel pretty much like a kid in candy > store!!! i *finally* managed > to get hold of emmylou's "gliding bird" there I haven't been able to get onto the filesharing site since I very foolishly said "yes" to getting a new release of DC++. Every time I try to go on, it crashes. I shoulda gone with the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" mantra because the first version I had was working just fine. In the meantime, I've been downloading all kinds of Bit Torrent stuff from Easytree.org (not just Joni - all kinds of people) and have tons of stuff I could share IF I could get back onto DC++. Very frustrating, but I'm too busy to try to fix it right now. BTW, Welcome back, Ash. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: sketches of Dylan NJC/ more rambling > I can think of several people's music that > became unattractive (to > me) when they revved up the production. Gordon > Lightfoot comes to > mind..I have his early stuff in its original form > and then I have this > greatest hits where they added strings and all this > stuff...my god, > why? And also Springsteen was so good-sounding til > they introduced that > faux wall of sound thing around the Born to Run era. Funny how tastes differ. I did and still do enjoy the Born to run sound, but Bruce lost it, IMO on Human Touch and Tunnel of Love (snooze fest!) But later, he got it back again. I certainly agree about Lightfoot - it all became too homogenized and Mantovani-like. > Although if you lived on my street you might only > think there was > rap..sheesh rattled my windows and got me up at 8:30 > this morning. > I'll have to play some Phil Ochs REALLY loud when I > go out to work > outside. Don'tcha just LOVE the big-ass boom speakers in the backs of cars that make the car shake and probably register a 3 or 4 on the Richter scale, so when the people pass through your neighbourhood, EVERYONE can hear their shitty taste in music? Usually all you can hear is BA BOOM BOOM CHA! over and over again. I usually yell, "Hey! Why don'tcha turn it UP? They can't hear you three blocks over!!!" They don't hear me of course, but I get to vent. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:44:51 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: sketches of Dylan NJC/ more rambling - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > Funny how tastes differ. I did and still do enjoy the > Born to run sound, but Bruce lost it, IMO on Human > Touch and Tunnel of Love (snooze fest!) the thing is I LOVE the songs on Born to Run, OMG they are so great. Mostly its that one song BTR that suffers (from the bombast), cuz, for instance 10th Avenue Freezeout sounds wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy mo' bettah, imho. And I love later, live and/or acoustic versions of BTR. Then the next 2 albums were fine, Darkness on the Edge of Town and The River, and then like you say, that 80's "thing" happened and it was bad for a while til he kicked it OFF like a natural man and came back down to earth. > Don'tcha just LOVE the big-ass boom speakers in the > backs of cars that make the car shake and probably > register a 3 or 4 on the Richter scale, so when the > people pass through your neighbourhood, EVERYONE can > hear their shitty taste in music? Usually all you can > hear is BA BOOM BOOM CHA! over and over again. I > usually yell, "Hey! Why don'tcha turn it UP? They > can't hear you three blocks over!!!" They don't hear > me of course, but I get to vent. Well the thing is, for me, its fine if they just go on BY. You know it booms a couple times and thats it. But the girl next door, who was 3 or 4 when I moved in, lol, she just turned 18....arghhhhhhh..apparently got a subwoofer for her birthday, ad she sits in the drive way and booms it, and its horribly distorted and you can't hear the music only some ultra-distorted and very loud remnant of the bass. So I went out there and I didn't mean to, but I scared her, duh, cuz she couldn'y hear.... and told her in the nicest way I could hey girl that sounds really cool, but its rattling my old wood windows, so do me a favor kind of thing..and she turned it off. I just hope if she's gonna make the drive way her listening room, she keeps it a bit lower. I mean really, she'd get less distortion that way too. ::shrug::: what can one do? nada....just pray for understanding. Not sure if I told about this on here or not but one day a couple years ago, there were 3 abreast at a stop light, a young black guy in a lowrider, me with the shortest hairvut I'd ever had and looking I'm sure quite dykely, and then this "country" dude in a monster truck type 4 by 4 actually flying a rebel flag in back. Not just a sticker, but an actual bigass flag. So we're sitting at the long light and are all pissed off cuz none of us has AC and the black guy has music blaring that ALL you could hear (cuz it was repeating it I think) n_gger mutherf_cker n_gger mutherf_cker n_gger mutherf_cker n_gger mutherf_cker... and there was "tension". A group of 3 abreast all with the great possibility of volatility, but then a neat thing happened - the young rap dude starts laughing his ass off, and it spread..I think me and the redneck tried to stifle, but pretty soon we were laughing too, out loud and the tension was broken in a real fun way, and then blessedly the light finally changed. Anyway, it would take you longer to read what I just wrote than the actual incident took, but maybe you get the feel of it. It was pretty neat. We were just all 3 sort of extreme looking Americans, but we all cracked up. So it was good. Anyway, thats my story and I'm stickin to it! Lke a gasket with permatex to its flange....and on that note, I'm back out to wrench. :) Have a great day Catherine! Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:48:41 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: sketches of Dylan NJC/ more rambling hi > Don'tcha just LOVE the big-ass boom speakers in the > backs of cars that make the car shake and probably > register a 3 or 4 on the Richter scale, so when the > people pass through your neighbourhood, EVERYONE can > hear their shitty taste in music? or sometimes their good taste??? i have one of those systems, and yeah, i know its not real hi-fi, and all that, but there is nothing better than listening to jaco, or chris, ripping that fretless bass so loud that it makes your hair stand on end - figuratively & literally. i cant listen too loud at home 'cause i stay in a townhouse complex - so - it has to be in my car :-) ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:12:21 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: The Boss was RE: sketches of Dylan NJC/ more rambling Major Yes to: The Wild, the Innocent and the E Street Shuffle, Born to Run, Nebraska, Tunnel of Love (Sorry Catherine), The Ghost of Tom Joad. The River would be on here except that it should have been a single album, and gets major points off for "Hungry Heart." Born in the USA: great songs, bloated production on too many of them. Low point: Human Touch/Lucky Town. Most overrated & overhyped: "The Rising" BUT: The Boss is still my musical and now political hero. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 1:11 PM To: Em; FredNow@aol.com; jonilist Subject: Re: sketches of Dylan NJC/ more rambling > I can think of several people's music that > became unattractive (to > me) when they revved up the production. Gordon > Lightfoot comes to > mind..I have his early stuff in its original form > and then I have this > greatest hits where they added strings and all this > stuff...my god, > why? And also Springsteen was so good-sounding til > they introduced that > faux wall of sound thing around the Born to Run era. Funny how tastes differ. I did and still do enjoy the Born to run sound, but Bruce lost it, IMO on Human Touch and Tunnel of Love (snooze fest!) But later, he got it back again. I certainly agree about Lightfoot - it all became too homogenized and Mantovani-like. > Although if you lived on my street you might only > think there was > rap..sheesh rattled my windows and got me up at 8:30 > this morning. > I'll have to play some Phil Ochs REALLY loud when I > go out to work > outside. Don'tcha just LOVE the big-ass boom speakers in the backs of cars that make the car shake and probably register a 3 or 4 on the Richter scale, so when the people pass through your neighbourhood, EVERYONE can hear their shitty taste in music? Usually all you can hear is BA BOOM BOOM CHA! over and over again. I usually yell, "Hey! Why don'tcha turn it UP? They can't hear you three blocks over!!!" They don't hear me of course, but I get to vent. ===== Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:45:11 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: tuning question NJC I need advice on what to look for in a tuner for an acoustic guitar. thanks much, Mags np: Softly, Gordon Lightfoot - ----- what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? - ----- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:32:13 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: does she cry ... kat parsons njc not sure if she's been mentioned on the list or not ... kat parsons, a jewel on the UK landscape.... now listening to her song, does she cry.......wow, what a voice!! i found this song on my windows media player, not sure how to transfer it here.. (computer nerd i'm not ;-) anyway, here's her web site: www.katparsons.com Mags - ----- what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? - ----- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:11:27 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: tuning question NJC > I need advice on what to look for in a tuner for an acoustic guitar. The ONLY tuner to get is the Intellitouch Tuner... in my humble opinion, that is... http://www.homespuntapes.com/prodpg/supprodpg.asp?prodID=678 Les NP - Patty Larkin "I Told Them My Dog Wouldn't Run" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 18:45:55 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: tuning question NJC I love mine, too-it clamps onto your peghead, or any instrument, and picks up the vibrations. They are a bit pricey, but nicey, and even though they use button batteries, they last a long time, and it has a cool easy to see red light-up display. RR npnbe: James Taylor "River" Les Irvin wrote: > > I need advice on what to look for in a tuner for an acoustic guitar. > > The ONLY tuner to get is the Intellitouch Tuner... in my humble opinion, > that is... > > http://www.homespuntapes.com/prodpg/supprodpg.asp?prodID=678 > > Les > > NP - Patty Larkin "I Told Them My Dog Wouldn't Run" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 22:24:51 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: tuning question NJC Thanks for the tip--I was in the market for a new tuner! NP: Rock 'n Roll Doctor--Little Feat 1974-10-10 (unofficial) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Randy Remote Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 9:46 PM To: Les Irvin; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: tuning question NJC I love mine, too-it clamps onto your peghead, or any instrument, and picks up the vibrations. They are a bit pricey, but nicey, and even though they use button batteries, they last a long time, and it has a cool easy to see red light-up display. RR npnbe: James Taylor "River" Les Irvin wrote: > > I need advice on what to look for in a tuner for an acoustic guitar. > > The ONLY tuner to get is the Intellitouch Tuner... in my humble opinion, > that is... > > http://www.homespuntapes.com/prodpg/supprodpg.asp?prodID=678 > > Les > > NP - Patty Larkin "I Told Them My Dog Wouldn't Run" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 07:26:08 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Joni mention in NYT I liked the way the author describes JM's voice - probably because he sees it the way I see it :) moni http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/19/fashion/19SHAK.htm December 19, 2004 SHAKEN AND STIRRED A Bloody Mary, Squared By WILLIAM L. HAMILTON IX days and counting if you've got a Christmas deadline. My recommendation is to stop into the Bar Room at the Modern on West 53rd Street, one of three restaurants created by Danny Meyer's Union Square Hospitality Group for visitors to the newly reopened Museum of Modern Art. A little shopping, a little art, a cocktail. Relax. The world took God six days. You're just looking for a couple of iPods. The Modern, which will be serving dinner by January, is now open for lunch in the Bar Room only (until January, you must enter the museum to gain access to it) from 11:30 to 4:30, with a limited menu and, more important, a preview of the specialty cocktail list. Try the Red Square. It is a beet Bloody Mary. Don't laugh. This is a vegetable you will finish. Beets make the drink sweet, not acidic, as tomatoes would. And the Red Square is garnished with grated horseradish, which fights vodka's fire with fire. It is a welcome fire to pull up to during a brisk afternoon of store-hopping and combat with holiday crowds. The Red Square, created by Karen King, the Modern's beverage director, and Sandro Romano, an executive sous-chef, would work nicely as a New Year's Day cocktail too: a savory survival technique for the morning after. On a recent weekday the museum bustled like a late-model mall. It has more in common with the Time Warner Center, the city's other big new atrium, than with other museums. Escalators propelled school groups of fashionable teenagers and older tourists with auto-paint tans bravely upward, toward modernism's rich promise. Which is now a pretty cool shopping experience. Monet and Picasso and, like, whatever. "Bauhaus Stairway," by Oskar Schlemmer (on 5, Gallery 11), is what people had before escalators. In the Bar Room, Joni Mitchell, the darker, mature version reorchestrated with strings, sang her girlish hits in a handsome voice, lowered an octave by life. And that summed up, for me, the ambience at the museum's new restaurant: Joni Mitchell as a trustee, applying light lipstick after a light lunch, like all the carefully dressed pairs of women in the room. The successful men drank martinis, with food, at the white marble bar, alone. Like cocktails, relationships can be the most modern of arts. RED SQUARE Adapted from the Modern 2 ounces Stolichnaya vodka 3 ounces spicy beet and red wine essence (see recipe below) Horseradish root. 1. Shake vodka and beet and wine essence with ice and strain into a chilled 8-ounce martini glass. Garnish with horseradish. Spicy Beet and Red Wine Essence (for six cocktails) 3 stemmed, roasted and peeled red beets Salt, pepper, olive oil 1/4 medium white onion, sliced 1/2 tablespoon red pepper flakes 1/2 tablespoon black peppercorns 1/2 teaspoon fennel seed 1/2 teaspoon cumin seed Small sprig of rosemary, thyme, sage and basil 1/2 quart water 1/4 quart red wine 1/2 pound horseradish root, cut in small cubes (reserve a 1-inch piece to grate for garnish). 1. Scrub the beets and toss with enough salt, pepper and olive oil to season and coat. Roast at 400 degrees for 40 minutes in a pan with 1/4 inch of water. 2. Cool and peel; place in a saucepan with remaining ingredients (except garnish). 3. Reduce liquid by half, at medium heat. 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