From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #497 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, December 18 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 497 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Ethnicity, was: NJC Congratulations [] Re: NJC Congratulations Michael Paz!! ["ron" ] Re: sketches of Dylan NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Today's Library Links: December 18 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:32:33 -0500 From: Subject: Ethnicity, was: NJC Congratulations Gees, Paz uses the "n" word and suddenly everyone's all worked up about ethnicity! Em, I can see your point. I think some of your post was the humorous exaggeration that many of us do here. I guess you already know that being categorzied as hispanic on the census is a cakewalk compared to many Jim Crow stories from just a dozen decades ago. Just seeing that damned "n" word kicks me into peacemaker mode. (Meriweather Jones passed the baton to me before he left.) Ease up. I mean, after all, everyone is Irish on St Patty's Day. Latin women are so hot blooded! :) Ducking for cover, Lama > From: Em > Date: 2004/12/17 Fri PM 09:07:19 EST > To: jlamadoo@fuse.net > Subject: Re: Re: NJC Congratulations Michael Paz!! > > well, hmmmmmm.....all I can say is, hmmmmmmmmm.... > lol! > I went almost my whole life without ever being referred to as a > hispanic OR a latino and we(my family) always put "white" on forms or > applications - for race, ya know? > then this other sh_t starts happening.... > some other nationalities have racial traits that are not exactly lilly > white - but do they come up with an entire racial classification for > them? Like many Sicilians are pretty dark! and Greeks! but they can > just go ahead and put "white". But me, I have family from the mountains > of northern Spain, where they even play bagpipes, for chrissakes. I > mean these are VERY white people... but noooooo, my name is Alvarez, so > now I have to be this other race, because some kind of PC thing took > hold in the 80's and 90's fueled by some posse of PC census takers with > PhD's who got ahead in their careers by categorizing. > Sheesh, we're a melting pot for chrissakes...can't we just MELT > already???? > LOL, Jim it no biggy to me really....but some part of me does get > fried. Like who's "agenda" is it fulfilling to support this idea of > Hispanics in the community and sorting them by best..etc. What good is > it..to spotlight a group, by RACE or ethnic heritage? I mean you'd > never see a feature "The City's Top Jews", ya know??? Or the city's top > Pacific Rimmers. > So the "Hispanic" thing is just getting a little too cute for me. > And I know its because that south of the border culture is coming > north. And to be honest - I'm liking many aspects of it, music and art > - poetry and all. Some is really fresh! But I feel like its pulling me > into a swamp where I just wasn't born! > LOL...I know, I'm nuts.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:48:49 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: NJC Congratulations Michael Paz!! hi congratulations mike!!!! i certainly dont think this will be the last time youll be honoured.... ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:39:10 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: sketches of Dylan NJC Em wrote: >>But in music there is always that temptation to over-produce a thing into the >>ground in an effort to make it jewel-like or other wise "perfect" >> >>ps Fred - loved your post. yep. Thanks, Em. I'd like to point out, however, that polish doesn't necessarily mean less substantial, or less desirable in any particular way, nor does looseness, minimal production values, etc. necessarily result in more substance, or more real ... it all depends on the artist's intent. As I'm sure we all know, there's plenty of minimally produced music that is shallow, lame and/or jive, and plenty of highly produced music that is as profound, emotionally communicative, and genuine as music ever gets. All too often folks cynically leap to the conclusion that to polish music to a jewel-like sheen, to aspire to perfection, is a negative by-product of the intersection between art and commerce. Sometimes it is, but the astute listener can usually smell something funny going on. Conversely, if a sincere artist celebrates an aesthetic of polished beauty, and has substantial content within that beautiful package, the astute (and open-minded) listener can usually smell something good in the kitchen. For decades now, I've frequently heard complaints about so-and-so's music being "over produced." Again, it may be, but not in an ipso facto sense. I like to hold up the example of Maurice Ravel, a brilliant pianist/composer who wrote primarily for the piano but then later orchestrated many of these works ... very few of his pieces were written outright for orchestra. We may enjoy a piano version of a piece, but when we hear its gloriously orchestrated counterpart do we depreciate it as over produced? Too polished? The mere presence of additional instruments and a denser texture does not automatically result in "over-production," and, by implication, a work of lesser value. I maintain that when a dense texture and polished aesthetic is completely in service of the music at hand, and rendered with exquisite taste and deft mastery, the result is "produced just exactly enough." Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 02:10:11 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 18 On December 18 the following article was published: 2001: "Kate Comes to Dinner" - New York Newsday http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=709 - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #497 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)