From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #490 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, December 12 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 490 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jerry's Xmas gift NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] RE: Lance's Loqacious Log... [Lance Michel ] The blonde In The Bleachers Syndrome and those of us who experienced it [] [none] [Jenny Goodspeed ] [none] [Jenny Goodspeed ] Congratulations Paz NJC [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: No Subject [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Jerry's Xmas gift NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Stevie Wonder njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: NJC Stevie Wonder ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Jerry's Xmas gift NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Jerry's Xmas gift NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Stevie Wonder njc ["Mark or Travis" ] French Jonifest registration ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: was Stevie Wonder, now Ethel ... I SAID ETHEL! -- njc [Smurfycopy@aol] bette-karen-ethel njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Rosie Brown njc ["Azeem" ] Re: bette-karen-ethel njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Today's Library Links: December 12 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 06:42:45 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jerry's Xmas gift NJC The Divine Mr. M. writes: > I believe it was 'Little Miss Karen Carpenter', not Cher. > Good Lord. I remember watching the original Grammys broadcast when Bette made the remark. Are you sure, M.? How can it be that I can have a false memory for 30 years? I hate when that happens! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 06:50:12 +0000 From: Lance Michel Subject: RE: Lance's Loqacious Log... Responses to the following post... Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:00:36 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: from Sir Lance, njc >I am not falling into that 'this will never end' space; but, well, maybe a >tad...I just so want someone to share my life with, and start a family >with...Do I 'need' that someone for me to be me, no...But I am soooo at >that >point in my life... Lance, It sounds as tho you are not so much mourning Karen as you are mourning not having a relationship in general. - -----I am actually mourning/feeling both simultaneosly....This can be very difficult to keep in one chest... It seems as though if you really loved her you would be mourning your loss of *her. - -----I most certainly am doing that; but at least she is still in this world, and hopefully a close, caring, wonderful friend into the future...That is both our wishes, and I hope it will be... just how it sounds to me. - -----Curious where that perspective comes from; but, nonetheless 'tis yours...:-) >Subject: Message and Update from Sir Lance.... why do you call yourself "Sir?" - -----Sir Lancealot or Launcelot...Either way....'tis my namesake, and a large part of my spirit. Is this a joke? - ------An Irish and a Jew walk into a bar...mitzvah....Oh, that's another joke.....;-) No, no 'joke'....'Tis my nicked-name...:-) Is this a customary thing where you are from? - -----Depends which planet I visit....I am called different titles in different places....Though I prefer 'bubbles'.... I am not reading this favorably, please enlighten me. - -----'Short Boat' method or Long....? Short can hurt a tad, but sometimes the revelations have greater clarity...lol....I hope that somehow helps explain things a bit more....If not, I would be happy to elucidate further, when I am not so slap-happy sleepy....:-) Marianne - -----Sir Lancealot de FunqueTown, Province of Nabalom, in the Valley of Vitari, overlooking the blackberry bushes and the rambling river road... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:45:41 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: The blonde In The Bleachers Syndrome and those of us who experienced it Have you ever been caught in a "Blonde in the bleachers" situation? Anyone who ever fell for a Rock & Roll man (or a Rock & Roll woman, or, for that matter, any other ego maniac writer, painter, actor, dancer and so on) and wound up with a broken heart - would you please share your tragical story with us? Being the starter of this tragical thread i'm afraid i've never flipped my hair myself (sad but true) and can only share someone else's story with you, an event i witnessed. (In case you have never experienced it yourself and can only share others stories, feel free, imho, to do so - we're honouring the Rock & Roll men's victims!) When i was 16, my best friend was a girl named Ziv. She was 16 too and a virgin. Every day, after school, and having spent several hours at home, we would then rush to a new wave club, a giagantic cellar fiiled with crowd and shiny lights and loud music, where anyone who considered themselves hip were dancing and drinking and smoking and sniffing till the break of dawn. The name of that club was "The Baron", and though it was in our northern town Haifa, it soon became an all-Israeli pilgirmage, and it got so popular that new wave bands from all over the world wanted to perform on it's stage. (Nina Hagen and S. & The Banshees among them) While i was only interested in dancing my teenage depression out off my body, Ziv, a beautiful girl who everyone fell in love with her, was only interested in checking out the bands. Ziv made a vow that she would loose her virginity only for the true love of a Rock & Roll man, and was constantly looking for the best boy in every band. And then she found him. Hadar Goldman, a handsome man who was the lead-singer of a British-Israeli new wave band called "Siam". Back then, "Siam" were very well known in Europe, and Goldman was considered as one of the hottest names in the new wave scene. Ziv went to every "Siam" gig and wrote Goldman heart-melting love letters. One day he gave her a call and told her that he fell in love with her from the very first night he spotted her in the front row, and that he wanted her to be his girlfriend with an option of soon becoming his wife. Ziv, just to let you know, was not amazed or shocked at all. She was one of the most "requested" girls around, and as she saw it, him asking her to be "The love of his life" was basicly her doing him a favor. Several nights later "Siam" had a gig at "The Baron". Ziv and "her husband" wrote eachother love letters and had long-distant calls twice a day, but that night Goldman told her that he bought her an engagiment diamond ring and that he wanted her to move in with him. Ziv then went to the club dressed as Cinderella and holding a suitcase, and i, being promoted from her best friend to her official Best-man, was there with her. I'll never forget that night. "Siam" were playing inside to their fanatic fans and to all those girls-in-black who addored them and worshiped their lead singer, but the princess and i stayed outside and waited for the "Groom" to appear. The gig ended and Goldman stepped into the parking lot where his limousine was about to take him and the love of his life to Tel-Aviv's airport then off to his villa in London. Ziv said "see you soon, Nuri", and marched into the limousine. I waved her bye-bye and waited for the car to hit the road, but the car didn't, and velvet curtains were drawn over it's windows. 5 minutes later, the door of the car was opened, Ziv and her suitcase were thrown out of it straight into the parking lot floor, and the limousine took off. Her hair was messed up, her dress was stained, her fingers were trembling with no diamond ring on them. We walked silently to the bus station, waited together all night, then came the morning bus and drove us to school. And that's where the story about my best friend Ziv and her virginty ends. Just to let you know, "Siam" split aftewards, Goldman lost his intire fortune, and local news papers reported that he's a homeless who's wondering the streets of London, playing guitar and asking passers-by to buy him a bottle of whiskey. So there you have it, friends, and if you're not afraid of sharing your own "Blonde in the bleachers" exprience with us, then i hope you would. Love you all, Nuriel Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:14:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: [none] - --------------------------------- Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:14:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: [none] - --------------------------------- All your favorites on one personal page  Try My Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:23:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Congratulations Paz NJC And the rest of the 'Christmas Gumbo' crew for getting a nice little review in 'Entertainment Weekly' this week. '....Christmas Gumbo, a set of all-new, all-soulful material that a talented pair of Louisiana-bred singer-producers penned for the N'Awlins-linked likes of Irma Thomas, the Subdudes, Beausoleil, and a Neville brother or two. That determinedly fresh set gets narrowly beat out as the season's standout CD by a collection of relative antiquities, 'Where Will You Be Christmas Day?....' Very impressive! xo Jenny Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:26:36 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: No Subject oops. that was.... a) my annual christmas e-card of a snowman in a blizzard b) a note written in a brand new font called, 'Invisible Ink'. c) me trying to write email early saturday morning before i've had a lick of caffeine. Jenny from the block Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: Thanks for letting me know, J-Mo! XO, - --Bob Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 08:37:04 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jerry's Xmas gift NJC Jerry writes: > OK. I'll have to step in here. It was definitely Karen, though due to > previous contributions, Smurphy gets to keep his card. > Thanks, Jerry, but it's beginning to look like the only card I need is the AARP* one they keep trying to send me. XO, - --Smurf, still younger than Cher and Bette *AARP, for you non-USers, is the American Association of Retired People (I think -- Mark? Anyone? Is that right?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 08:40:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Stevie Wonder njc >All is Fair in Love< Oh yes, another great one! PS way back in ye olden days I saw the rolling stones in philly & stevie wonder sat in with them for a few songs playing drums... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 08:55:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: NJC Stevie Wonder John is a funny guy! >funny- i was just talking with john about what you said and he asked who you were and I said a lady from the joni list and he said that explains it, been listening too long to someone who really can't sing....no kidding!< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:40:25 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Jerry's Xmas gift NJC Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Jerry writes: > > >> OK. I'll have to step in here. It was definitely Karen, though due to >> previous contributions, Smurphy gets to keep his card. >> > > Thanks, Jerry, but it's beginning to look like the only card I need > is the AARP* one they keep trying to send me. > > XO, > > --Smurf, still younger than Cher and Bette > > *AARP, for you non-USers, is the American Association of Retired > People (I think -- Mark? Anyone? Is that right?) Sounds about right. They've been sending me solications since last April. The Rapidly Aging (but nonetheless, still Divine) Mr. M. in Seattle ("that chilly, hilly city that spreads itself like lumpy pancake batter along the shores of octopus-ridden Puget Sound," to quote Ms. Midler) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:28:06 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Jerry's Xmas gift NJC Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > The Divine Mr. M. writes: > > >> I believe it was 'Little Miss Karen Carpenter', not Cher. >> > > Good Lord. I remember watching the original Grammys broadcast when > Bette made the remark. Are you sure, M.? How can it be that I can > have a false memory for 30 years? I hate when that happens! Biography ran their Bette Midler segment a few months ago and they showed the tape of the previous Grammy awards when Bette won Best New Artist. Both Karen and Richard were presenters and Bette was highly amused exclaiming something like 'What a hoot! Me and Miss Karen!' Bette mentions Cher on the 'Live at Last' album: 'This hospital motif was suggested to me by my recent stay in a very plush Beverly Hills medical center. Now many of you may have heard that I was stricken with apendicitis. But I am here to tell you the truth, Cleveland. And that is. That in a spasm of sisterly generosity, I donated my tits to Cher.....And she was SO GLAD TO GET 'EM I can't even begin to tell you.' Mr. M. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:09:20 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Stevie Wonder njc Kate Bennett wrote: >> All is Fair in Love< > > Oh yes, another great one! In college I played the part of Harold in 'The Boys in the Band.' The director wanted each cast member to choose their character's favorite song. This was my choice for Harold but I chose Barbra Streisand's version from her 'The Way We Were' album. The director was very pleased with my choice. > > PS way back in ye olden days I saw the rolling stones in philly & > stevie wonder sat in with them for a few songs playing drums... Now Mick Jagger would make my 'cringe when I hear his voice' list. Never could stand the man or the sound of his voice. Joan Rivers once remarked about Mick's lips "That man could suck a lemon through a picket fence." This pretty much prevented me from being a Stones fan and I just don't understand why so many people consider them to be the 'World's Greatest Rock Band'. Other cringe inducing singers: Macy Gray - sounds like she has a perpetual head cold. Gives me post-nasal drip just listening to her. Barry Manilow - Is he the King of Cheese or what? He was on Oprah recently and sang audience requests - he was *awful*, sounded flat on just about every note of every mediocre piece of drivel he crooned. Linda Lavin - everytime I heard the theme from the tv show 'Alice' it set my teeth on edge. Phyllis Newman - really dating myself here. She used to appear on the Tonight Show when Johnny Carson was still host. Stinko. Dinah Shore in her later years - she had an afternoon talk show in the 70s. I used to yell at the tv 'Don't sing, Dinah, don't sing!' but of course it didn't stop her. Maybe it was dating Burt Reynolds that did it to her. ETHEL MERMAN!!! - Sorry Smurph. Can you say LOUD? Can you say REAL LOUD?!! Can you say BLOWSY? Of course these are merely statements of my personal dislikes. I'm sure each of these people have their fan base. (There were people in Oprah's audience that were just *swooning* overy Barry.) Taste is relative, after all (and in the case of some people's relatives, their taste is all in their mouths.) Mr. M ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:21:33 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: French Jonifest registration Hello Not enough replies to this post, so i'm reposting on a weekend hoping to reach more readers. Attendance is limited to 60, so reserve fast Been busy planning the event, and playing some Joni of course. The time has come to make definite reservations as the nearest B&Bs must be booked this month. I remind you the dates: August 13-15th, 2005. We've calculated the budget, the cost for the 3 day event amounts to 165 euros ($220-230 or #110). This includes: * Breakfast (including for those of you lodging in B&B's off-site) * All meals, french of course. Probably will have a buffet all day long. * Cook and helpers on duty * All equipment rental for the event (won't bore you with details) ACCOMODATIONS: A) Camping on premises: we can supply 5 tents for 2 people, so 10 campers max. Cost is 30 euros($40) total per person for all 3 nights B) Bungalows on premises: Cost is 45 euros ($60) per person for all 3 nights * lower bungalow has 4 beds * upper bungalow has 1 double bed * mill has 3 beds Naturally, those spaces are on 1st come 1st served basis (Ashara and Jerry Noraro have already reserved) C) B&B's in nearby villages: All daily rates include breakfast, may be possible to pay about 5 euros less without it since we will be providing breakfast on site. 1) Mme Tavart in Davejean (nearest village): 1 room for 3: 40 euros ($53)/room 1 room for 4: 50 euros 2) Mme Le Franc in Villerouge Termenes: 1 room with 1 double + 1 single bed: 39 euros if 2 people, 50 euros if 3. 3) Mme Bizouerne in Le Roc de Golta (near Villerouge Termenes) 1 room with 1 double bed: 43 euros 2 rooms with 2 single beds: 43 euros 1 room with 3 single beds: 64 euros All rooms have sink & shower, toilets on the same floor. 4) M. Houalet in Felines Termenes: no details available D) La Fargo in St Pierre des Champs: a charming hotel with great food and gorgeous surroundings. Rooms are very nice too. Near to where I live when I'm in the area, about 20 minutes drive to Jonifest. 64-71 euros/room + breakfast 6 euros/person. Check their website www.chez.com/lafargo/, click on the UK flag at the bottom for english. In addition to the hotel info there is plenty of info about the area. Click on "directions" for general travel info. Let me know if you want any of these and I'll make the booking for you. RESERVATIONS: Reservations for the event and for lodging can be made to me. La Fargo hotel reservations can either be made to me or directly (mention Jonifest). I'm not sure what is customary in terms of deposit. Those who can pay the 165 euros event fee now are welcome to do so. For those who would rather pay a deposit, I suppose 100 euros ($135) will do. Overseas bank transfers are expensive, so I'm offering the following options: * USA festers can wire the funds to a U.S. account at Bank of America. The account is under a cousin's name, this way he'll make 1 lump sum transfer to me and you will have no fees. I'm responsible if he runs to Havana with your deposits (LOL). * EURO + rest of the world: wire transfer to me in Euros. Please email me off list for bank account details. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:55:07 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: was Stevie Wonder, now Ethel ... I SAID ETHEL! -- njc Formerly divine, M. writes: > ETHEL MERMAN!!! - Sorry Smurph. Can you say LOUD? Can you say REAL > LOUD?!! Can you say BLOWSY? > Since we've never met and I don't talk about it too much here, you probably don't know, Mark, that I have a lifelong hearing loss -- which is fine, it has made me the wonderful person I am, keeps me oblivious to what people say about me, helps me sleep soundly, etc. Lately I have been doing a lot of thinking about the consequences (beyond the obvious, of course) of hearing impairment. And I have to say it has had a huge influence on just about everything I've done, from choosing friends to initially loving a certain singer/sonwriter because she always included the lyrics to her songs with her albums. All that said, I do understand what you mean about Ethel, of course. Maybe it would help you deal with your aversion if you think of her as a singer for the deaf! And by the way, if I had a dime for every loud and blowsy friend I've had over the years, I'd probably have millions of dollars, which I don't have right now because of all the loud and blowsy friends I've had over the years. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:34:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: bette-karen-ethel njc yes, it was karen not cher. i have the footage on video (YES, i am anal retentive karen carpenter freak!). as to ethel, boy do i know what bob means. i am partially deaf and partially blind. so even when the lyrics come with the albums i still have to READ them so it isn't any good. when i'm in the states, people talk to me and i kind of read their lips but i get maybe 60% of what they say so they think i'm stupid. besides, guys think i want them to give me a blow job or something because i'm constantly squinting and staring at their lips. i mean, you should've been there when bob and i were talking at a loud bar in boston. you would've thought we were in love they way we desperately followed each other's lip movement. (well, i am in love with bob but he was just trying to make sense of what i said.) wally, studying for the LAST two exams until next july. please god please god please god np: julie andrews singing xmas music of course! > > All that said, I do understand what you mean about Ethel, of > course. Maybe it > would help you deal with your aversion if you think of her as a singer for > the deaf! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:53:22 -0000 From: "Azeem" Subject: Rosie Brown njc I hope some of you good people will have heard this wonderfully warm and intimate singer and songwriter, one of many Kashmir Klub alumnae. She played a beautiful show at the 12 Bar club last night, which also gave me a chance to purchase a copy of her new album, Clocks and Clouds. Its up to the standard of her gorgeous debut, By The Blue; and it sounds fabulous - this is not in the least bit surprising, given that the album was mastered by one Martin Giles :-) Nice one Martin, and sorry you couldnt stay last night (Rosie told me you were under the weather). TTFN, NP: Rosie Brown - Move My Head - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:53:48 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: bette-karen-ethel njc Wally writes: > (well, i am in love with bob but he was > just trying to make sense of what i said.) > Oh, Wally! Shout me some more sweet nothings! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:15:33 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 12 On December 12 the following articles were published: 1970: "Joni Mitchell" - Cue http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=938 1996: "Songwriters Honor Mitchell, Leiber & Stoller, Robinson" - Reuters/Variety http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=317 2001: "Joni Mitchell, Al Green To Be Honored At 2002 Grammys" - Launch.com http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=706 2001: "Singing Sensation" - Pulse24.com http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=726 2002: "Travelogue" - Santa Barbara Independent http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1037 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #490 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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