From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #488 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, December 10 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 488 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: crafts? njc ["hell" ] NJC Off for the weekend NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: NJC Stevie Wonder ["hell" ] Re: NJC Stevie Wonder and skin-crawlers [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: FTR [Em ] Re: drug companies (njc) [Em ] Re: drug studies, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: drug studies, njc ["Anne Sandstrom" ] stoooopid njc [tantra_apso ] Re: stoooopid njc [Em ] Re: Need audiophile advice, njc [Jerry Notaro ] RE: NJC Stevie Wonder ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Re: Need audiophile advice, njc [] Joni mentioned in Metro interview [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Re: Woodstock Grammy Win [Brian Gross ] RE: Joni in Fiction njc ["Azeem" ] RE: Joni mentioned in Metro interview ["Azeem" ] Re: drug studies, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Need audiophile advice, njc [Randy Remote ] RE: The Circle Game and Urge for Going - funeral songs ["Maggie McNally" ] RE: brian kennedy, was RE: Joni in Fiction - vljc ["Maggie McNally" ] njc, laughing, then crying ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: NJC Stevie Wonder [colin ] Kate Bush Fans at JMDL - This one's for you:) (Joni, you don't mind, right?) [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni mention in book [PassScribe@aol.com] Supreme Court [of Canada] approves same-sex marriage njc [Catherine McKay] Today's Library Links: December 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:20:08 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: crafts? njc Catherine wrote: > I took a drawing class at night school a number of > years ago and I was OK at it, and may take that up > again one day, but there's no fire in my belly for it. > > I think I will stick to the guitar playing for now. And you think that doesn't take skill? I've heard you play (and sing), so don't give me that rubbish! I'm in awe of several musicians on this list, and you can count yourself in that number! I'd give anything to be able to play an instrument, but I'm SO damn right-handed (my left hand is completely stupid), and I just can't do it. Although I was thinking about trying the trumpet one of these days, since the only job for the left hand is holding the damn thing, and I might "just" be able to manage that. The other advantage (especially for anyone listening) is that playing a wind or brass instrument and singing are mutually exclusive.... Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:35:04 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Off for the weekend NJC I'll be out of town & away from email for about 4 days, so nobody panic when your mail to me sits idle - I'll get to it in due time. Bob NP: Yoghill, "People's Parties" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:33:06 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: NJC Stevie Wonder Catherine wrote: > And Hell, if "I just called..." or "My cherie amour" > are the only Stevie W songs you've heard, I wouldn't > blame you for thinking he sucks. He has written some > great tunes along with some pop pap crap. Thank you SO much for reminding me of that other one - it's been in my head all damn day! But those are the only ones that get really any air-play here - at least they're the only ones I've heard. I do know the song "Superstition" (or is it "Superstitious"?) but only because a contestant on Australian Idol sang it - probably not the best rendition I could have heard (although it wasn't THAT bad).... Kate wrote: > I love early stevie & that song you mentioned is later stevie & I agree it > is AWFUL... not up to his usual genius (sound like anyone else we know who > has a few bombs especially during the 80's) hell have you listened to his > early albums?... pure musical bliss imo... No, I haven't heard his early albums at all. Any recommendations? And I LIKE Joni's 80's stuff! Then Bob wrote (on the same subject, ie. Stevie Wonder): > But...if his voice grates on you then none of that really matters. And I > know what you mean, there are a couple of voices I can't stand > as well - Geddy Lee of Rush being at the top of the list. If you can't > get past the voice, nothing else really matters. I guess it's the songs, rather than his voice, because I know he can sing. But there are a few voices that I can't stand - Elvis Costello (sorry Bob, I know you're a fan) and Michael Bolton to name just two. That would be an interesting thread - what bands/artists make your skin crawl?! Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:23:59 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Stevie Wonder and skin-crawlers Hell asks: > That would be an interesting thread - what bands/artists make your skin > crawl?! > That would be Whitney, for one, and the legions of women who try to sing just like her. Also Buffy Sainte-Marie and anyone else who has an annoying vibrato thing goin' on, with the odd exception of Dolly Parton. Dylan and Waits are two singer/songwriters I'd like to like, but those voices ... - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:43:55 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: FTR - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Yeah, your point is well made about the bookends, Em. Hi Bob thanks for the response, and I'm glad my bookends comment sort of made sense. > Banquet > generally is a > song that decries the inequities in the world, and then she walks > you > through the gallery of the album, looking at some self-portraits and > some > observations about others, and by the end of it there's the "you've > got to shake your > fists like lightning" stuff, as if to say that you've got to find > the > strength to go on, even with all the inequities and all the shit > that happens along > the way. Not only the strength to merely continue to exist, but the strength to write the next symphony or shit forth the next series of paintings. And to go on largely without love, too. Or at least without love in the physical sense. To move forward on blind faith, really. (or deaf faith in L's case) I think its a wound licking song with the full expectations that wound licking is a part of life. I'm wondering if the "you" in the song isn't sometimes Joni rather than *just* L. Same as in Amelia its sometimes Joni she refers to and sometimes Amelia. As in "you're too raw, you're too raw". Who's too raw? Seems I remember a discussion a while back and it came out that some of these (FTR) songs are about James Taylor, but I don't think JT is the "you" in JOTMAS. Cuz I think JT was (at that point), having too much fun for it to be about him. This song is for a much lonelier person. To me, FTR is an "out in the woods" album. So maybe in between the rush of jumping up on rocks like a cat and running through the woods, she experienced some frightening aching lonliness. Who knows, I could be totally wrong. And really I shouldn't analyze it, because usually analyzing songs takes away their shrouds of mystery and then they are less attractive, to me anyway. Or less "of interest". But Joni's music begs analyzing, in a way. For instance, was listening to ROTR from Hejira on the way home yesterday and tho it struck me how strained her voice is sounding on this album, it also strikes me the GENIUS with which she turns a phrase. The part about these are the clouds of Michelangelo and I forget the rest of the line, but she phrases it perfectly. And she phrases it to mirror what she's talking about. She phrases it in a muscular or at least very physically fit way. A master, at that point. OK thats all, thanks for letting me ramble. Joni's work has really REALLY affected my life this past year. My pig-self just wishes there were more and more FTR's to get to know. But if Joni had ONLY ever written JOTMAS she would still be a songwriting legend, to my mind. :D thx again, Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 05:08:48 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: drug companies (njc) - --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > A woman I work with supports a > charity that gives chimps a full retirement after the drug companies > are finished with them. Without her charity, the animals were > destroyed. when I was in college I had a job as a lab dishwasher (petri dishes, graduated cylinders vials, etc) for this one professor, and my Dad was another Biology prof. in that dept. Sometimes I had the occaision to go to the animal room, which I didn't "hate" but initally it made me sad. And this is when I became aware that not all the lab animals necessarily die right away from the experiments. I mean my Dad went through tons of rats in his research - so his animals did die with amazing regularity, but there was this one beautiful HUGE rabbit in the animal room that no one seemed to "use". Or heck maybe they did. He had markings like a siamese cat does, and like I said he was humongous. Just gorgeous! hmm, lets see, that was 20 years ago. Wonder if that big ol rabbit is still there? :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:18:10 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: drug studies, njc Anne wrote: I'm grateful to the people who do the real work, day in and day out - the doctors, nurses, and researchers, NONE of whom receive a dime from the drug companies. Hi Anne! Wait a minute... I know from personal experience that doctors/researchers do receive quite a few dimes and other perks including a relatively endless supply of some very costly drugs from drug companies. More and more clinicians in private practice are signing up with drug companies to do studies from their clinics. The companies fly them all over the country and wine and dine them at resorts and then pay them well for these mini vacations, all in the name of research. It is such a money game at the expense of the sick. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 08:31:04 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: Re: drug studies, njc Anne wrote: I'm grateful to the people who do the real work, day in and day out - the doctors, nurses, and researchers, NONE of whom receive a dime from the drug companies. Laura wrote: Wait a minute... I know from personal experience that doctors/researchers do receive quite a few dimes and other perks including a relatively endless supply of some very costly drugs from drug companies. More and more clinicians in private practice are signing up with drug companies to do studies from their clinics. The companies fly them all over the country and wine and dine them at resorts and then pay them well for these mini vacations, all in the name of research. It is such a money game at the expense of the sick. Oh dear. I guess my post ruffled a few feathers. I was referring to the people who don't see any money from drug companies, and there are quite a few who administer clinical trials who don't get money other than their salaries. The people I've worked with don't get the perks you mentioned. And then, of course, there are us patients who risk all, hoping for a miracle (or at least some relief of symptoms). I was very fortunate indeed, getting the miracle that no one thought probable. I'm extremely grateful for that. It's an odd double-edged sword. On one hand, you can't compensate volunteers because you'd have people making bad and foolish decisions about participating in trials. On the other hand, the people who risk the most get no financial benefit at all. I guess that's just the way it is. Anyway, I think drug companies like to portray themselves as altruistic, but that's obviously not the case. If it were, they'd all be not-for-profit. And they're not. lots of loveAnne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:07:44 +0000 From: tantra_apso Subject: stoooopid njc we are over $500 poorer today. Alice, the youngest mini dax, thought it would be a good idea to swallow a large lump of coal. where she get it remains a mystery. Coal does not show on an xray so she was treated for infection first but my gut feeling told me had swallowed something. I told Jim, my vet, to open her up and sure enough her bowel was blocked. Dogs are amazing. Yesterday she had major surgery and today she is running around and begging for food which shje isn't allowed to have until tonight and then only 1/4 rations. Poor thing. Frigging stupid too. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:47:41 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: stoooopid njc glad she is ok Colin. Yikes $500 is a chunk, but I guess when I think about it, for actual surgery it seems very reasonable. Hope she will remain OK and no one will swallow anything anytime soon again. I know every time I take one of my animals to the vet on an emergency basis it ends up costing around $300, even without anything even approaching surgery. But what can you do? when they look at you with those faces - and they are hurting..you gotta do what you can to help them. :) Em - --- tantra_apso wrote: > we are over $500 poorer today. Alice, the youngest mini dax, thought > it > would be a good idea to swallow a large lump of coal. where she get > it > remains a mystery. Coal does not show on an xray so she was treated > for > infection first but my gut feeling told me had swallowed something. I > > told Jim, my vet, to open her up and sure enough her bowel was > blocked. > Dogs are amazing. Yesterday she had major surgery and today she is > running around and begging for food which shje isn't allowed to have > until tonight and then only 1/4 rations. Poor thing. Frigging stupid > too. > > -- > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:21:30 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Need audiophile advice, njc > I don't have my email addresses at work so I'm posting a question to the list > instead of privately, to the usual suspects. > > Has anyone bought an audiophile pressing of "Ladies Of the Canyon"? If so, > how is it? There's one offered on ebay right now but I'm skeptical. For one > thing, the manufacturer doesn't seem to have a web site that Google knows > about. > > All the best, > Lama > Which listing are you referring to, Jim? I see remastered cd's there. Is it a cd or vinyl? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:00:17 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: NJC Stevie Wonder Hell >No, I haven't heard his early albums at all. Any recommendations? And I LIKE Joni's 80's stuff!< I would pick any of the three or four that bob mentioned... two songs that I love that come to mind are: As & When I Fall in Love (it will be forever)- not sure if that is the correct song title... as far as Joni's 80's stuff I was only referring to the fact that among those are a couple of not up to her usual genius songs imo... Hell> That would be an interesting thread - what bands/artists make your skin crawl?!< Okay, colin close your ears on this one- for me I have never been able to stand listening to carly simon... she is okay in the lower registers but she sings out of key when she goes for the high notes... to my ears anyway... although I do love her harmonizing with james... but alone, no go... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:25:53 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: Need audiophile advice, njc Jerry, the auction for a 180 gram pressing of "Ladies of the Canyon" is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=306&item=4059073961 The seller says it's a 180 gram pressing. It looks like the mfg is called "Virgin Vinyl". Those 2 words produce a lot of hits on Google (of course) but among the first 20 or 30, none of the hits appears to be a reissue company. (They're mostly record stores and stores selling virgin vinyl fabric.) I haven't heard back from Simon yet so maybe I'll call him this weekend. RR has first edition, store bought LPs. As far as I rememeber, he isn't interested in heavy pressings. All the best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:41:33 -0000 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: Joni mentioned in Metro interview Last night I had a quick look at the day's Metro, the free newspaper that I pick up from the station every morning. I know it exists in many countries, but this was the London edition. Every day it has a short interview with some celebrity or other, often to plug their latest book or show. There's always an advert-type reference to the interview on the front page, and this grabbed my attention as it said something like: "Would you believe it? Hippy singer Joni Mitchell is his greatest fan! Read more on page 10!" Anyway, the interviewee in question was one Adrian Edmondson - a name that meant nothing to me, but I did recognise the face in the photo. He's appeared in British comedy programmes such as The Comic Strip and The Young Ones. And apparently he's married to Jennifer Saunders. I knew that if I wanted to be worthy of my JMDL membership, I HAD TO report this, so here goes. Half way through this interview, Adrian was asked: "Who's the most surprising person you've found who's a fan?" - probably a question our man Adrain had suggested, I would think! Anyway, the answer was, quote: "I used to promote pop promos in the 1980s and I went to America to direct one for a band called The Innocence Mission, who have sadly gone missing from the radar. They were managed by someone whose wife was Joni Mitchell. One day, Joni Mitchell turned up at this studio in LA, ran across the room, threw her arms around me and said: "I love you. Whenever we have Young Ones parties, I always play Vyvyan." Can you imagine Joni Mitchell playing Vyvyan? On a regular basis? "Whenever we have Young Ones parties...," she said. As if it's a regular occurrence. I've always enjoyed that but Jennifer is a huge fan, so she is very jealous." unquote. So voila, I've done my job - can I have a renewal of my membership please? All the best, Lieve. ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:53:11 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Woodstock Grammy Win You're right, Bryan! I must have been thinking along the same lines as Colin's dog! (BTW, I wonder why coal, which is carbon, would not be detectable on x-ray, as it must be denser than soft tissue, but less dense than bone) Or maybe it was just the feeling of having walked in Sir Lance's shoes not so very long ago. Empathy is a good, yet difficult, thing. Take care everyone, and Happy Hannukah (3 candles plus the Shamas tonight.) Brian npimh: deja vu (all over again) - --- BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > Brian - That was last year's Grammy list (not the list of nominations > released yesterday). I had forgotten though that Travelogue was honored with > a Grammy for Woodstock...some praise at least for that much-maligned CD. > Bryan ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page  Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 18:34:32 -0000 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: Joni in Fiction njc Emiliano wrote: << But... don't you know Brian ("Bap") Kennedy??? >> Aha! There are actually two different people here, pop pickers: Brian Kennedy is the fellow everyone has been talking about: Irish, very pretty voice, has sung with Van the Man, etc. I saw him a couple of times in the late 80s/early 90s, once supporting Eddi Reader - in fact come to think of it, it was her old band, Fairground Attraction. I was impressed with his voice, although I was disappointed with his first album, The Great War Of Words. A bit *too* tasteful, even for me, and infused with what one critic memorably dubbed "an air of slightly willed sadness." Bap Kennedy, on the other hand, is a different geezer altogether: he was the singer in a Belfast-based band called Energy Orchard, who had a near squeak with mainstream success in the mid 90s. I met him once: he used to live upstairs from my ex-girlfriend! I saw him a few years later, solo, supporting Oh Susanna. He has a lot of charm and is very charismatic, although he was let down by very ordinary material and severely limited guitar playing ability. So, I'm sure you're all glad that's cleared up now... Azeem in London NP: Talk Talk - I Believe in You (ah, this is sublime - anyone else love "Spirit of Eden"?) - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:01:27 -0000 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: Joni mentioned in Metro interview Lieve wrote: <<< Anyway, the interviewee in question was one Adrian Edmondson [snip] I knew that if I wanted to be worthy of my JMDL membership, I HAD TO report this, so here goes. Half way through this interview, Adrian was asked: "Who's the most surprising person you've found who's a fan?" - probably a question our man Adrain had suggested, I would think! Anyway, the answer was, "I used to promote pop promos in the 1980s and I went to America to direct one for a band called The Innocence Mission, who have sadly gone missing from the radar. They were managed by someone whose wife was Joni Mitchell. One day, Joni Mitchell turned up at this studio in LA, ran across the room, threw her arms around me and said: "I love you. Whenever we have Young Ones parties, I always play Vyvyan." Can you imagine Joni Mitchell playing Vyvyan? On a regular basis? "Whenever we have Young Ones parties...," she said. As if it's a regular occurrence. I've always enjoyed that but Jennifer is a huge fan, so she is very jealous." So voila, I've done my job - can I have a renewal of my membership please? >> What a fantastic tale, Lieve! I think you deserve to be upgraded to gold-standard membership for spotting that. That's only one level below inner-circle status ;-) I can soooo imagine Joni saying and doing something like that. She has always been so charming when meeting her fans, and full of stories (as she was on the unforgettable occasion I met her), and this, allied to her liking for English comedy (eg her Fawlty Towers reference on the GLR interview), is vintage Joni. Azeem in London NP: Bebel Gilberto - Cada Beijo (has a sexier track been released this year??) - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:07:34 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: drug studies, njc Anne wrote: Oh dear. I guess my post ruffled a few feathers. Dear Anne, No feathers ruffled here... I feel guilty for all the money and perks my husband and I have gotten from drug companies. We donate bulk sums of it to things like scholarship funds, etc. Some of our friends who are also doctors don't partake, but we do. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:38:47 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Need audiophile advice, njc jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Jerry, the auction for a 180 gram pressing of "Ladies of the Canyon" is: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=306&item=4059073961 > > The seller says it's a 180 gram pressing. It looks like the mfg is called > "Virgin Vinyl". This is the first I have heard of LOTC on audiophile vinyl- haven't heard of Virgin Vinyl-it's not an offshoot of the Virgin label, is it? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:49:28 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: The Circle Game and Urge for Going - funeral songs Mia, this is simply beautiful. Thank you for sharing, especially the reworked lyrics and the description of your grandfather "putting on a harmony" with himself. We are all here because music transports us in some special way, and in my opinion, no more so than when we are marking those primary life passages...weddings, births, deaths. I'll never forget the organist at my mom's memorial service playing "Ripple" on the huge church pipe organ. Made me laugh, allowed me to cry. Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: mia ortlieb [mailto:hvnphun16@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:05 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: The Circle Game and Urge for Going - funeral songs Last weekend was my grandpa's funeral. We celebrated his wonderful life with music. He was 94 years old, a pacifist that had emmigrated from the Austrian Alps where his love for music developed, and he loved to sing all sorts of German/Austrian tunes and, as a young man, would often hop the borders and sing for the Italians. As a young child, I remember being at my grandparent's house and everybody would sing and harmonize together. It was literally like being in "The Sound of Music" movie. In his twilight years, my mom took care of him in her home until he passed. He used to tape record himself singing, with his tight-lipped German accent and Mario Lanza type voice, then play it back and harmonize with himself. I'll really miss him. At the visitation, I played and sang "The Circle Game" in celebration of his life. I had no problem playing the guitar, but as soon as I started singing, my voice started quivering. I was like - this can't be! It's only family and friends here - what is going on? I thought it must be nerves, but afterwards people kept on coming up and telling me how sweet and emotional I sounded, that I made everybody cry. Okay, I'll go with that ;-) I invited all to sing the chorus, and I was surprised to hear how many actually knew the song and sang along! This really took the edge off! Also, my auntie Nancy rewrote and sang the last verse to make it relevant to my Grandpa's life and our lives as well: "So the years spin by, and the man's nearly five and ninety, but his dreams have lost no grandeur coming true, We'll have new dreams, never better dreams, and plenty before our last revolving year is through" At the church the next day, I played the guitar for "Urge for Going" while my auntie sang. She also rewrote the second verse: "I had my dad in summertime, with summer colored skin, And not another girl in town, my daddy's heart could win..." It was so sweet and fitting, considering he died when winter is actually closing in on us! Mia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:54:40 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: brian kennedy, was RE: Joni in Fiction - vljc Patrick! Thank goodness one of us has a memory, 'cause I was reading the thread that referred to Brian Kennedy and racking my brain to remember why I knew his name. I saw Van with Bob in January or February or 1998 at the Fleet Center show, then again in May in Northern California with Joni. His performance was memorable, indeed. Thanks for helping with the flashbacks. Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: patrick leader [mailto:pleader@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 9:28 PM To: Ross, Les; Joni@smoe.org Subject: brian kennedy, was RE: Joni in Fiction - vljc ahh, brian kennedy, when joni did a west coast tour with dylan and van morrison in may 1998, i attended three shows in los angeles with a great contingent of listers. brian kennedy was singing back-up for van, and a bunch of us (especially kakki and i) bonded over his sexy charm, good looks and truly gorgeous irish tenor. i love his version of 'a case of you' as well. he was a guest singer for some version of 'riverdance on broadway' a couple of years ago and during the run he played a series of monday night dates at 'arlene's grocery' a tiny rock club on the lower east side (very close to 'the living room' actually). i saw him there, too, with a bunch of rowdy expats. great show. he's also rather adamantly bisexual, claiming that to identify as gay or straight would be unfair to half the folks he loves. he said, "sometimes i'm so confused, i don't know which end is up" a truly magnificent double-entendre. i'd like to help him with his dilemma... i have two albums and a couple of other songs. plenty to love, but my favourite is an album called 'a better man' patrick np - todd rundgren, 'afterlife' "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' > >It's written by Brian Kennedy who's better known for his singing and >'platinum-selling' albums like The Great War of Words and Get on With Your >Short ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:59:58 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: NJC Stevie Wonder and skin-crawlers Celine Dion...first heard her when she was still singing in French and I was still in the restaurant business. We were sent free discs to check out and that seemed pretty cool. There were a few things that I came to really like. But then there was this one disc where the woman just wailed and I couldn't stand it...would turn it off if someone had put it in the disc-player. Wasn't I amazed when she became such a big star in the USA? Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: Smurfycopy@aol.com [mailto:Smurfycopy@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:24 AM To: hell@ihug.co.nz; anima_rising@yahoo.ca; SCJoniGuy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Cc: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: NJC Stevie Wonder and skin-crawlers Hell asks: > That would be an interesting thread - what bands/artists make your skin > crawl?! > That would be Whitney, for one, and the legions of women who try to sing just like her. Also Buffy Sainte-Marie and anyone else who has an annoying vibrato thing goin' on, with the odd exception of Dolly Parton. Dylan and Waits are two singer/songwriters I'd like to like, but those voices ... - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:01:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: NJC Stevie Wonder and skin-crawlers > Hell asks: > > > That would be an interesting thread - what bands/artists make your skin > > crawl?! Melissa Ethridge immediately springs to mind (comparisons to Janis are laughable, imo) Bob Segar is another I grately (ha) dislike- Springsteen, Waits, Buffy St Marie, Steve Perry of Journey, Geddy Lee of Rush, Metallica, AC/DC, most of the screechy headbangers (but not Robt Plant), Axl Rose, Josh Groban (he's so damn earnest I want to pour a bucket of fish guts over him-does that make me a bad person?), Shaggy, Dave Matthews, M Bolton... ...I think I need to make a mix tape for when I'm feeling masochistic... ....or not.... on the other hand, voices that I love- Norah Jones (melt), mid-era Joni, Greg Lake, Beatles, Fiona Apple, Alicia Keys, Billie Holiday, Stevie Wonder for sure, re Stevie Wonder- the Visions album and Songs In The Key of Life are flawless masterpieces ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:45:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Need audiophile advice, njc Randy, I think the seller is confusing the generic term "virgin vinyl," often advertised, with the manufacturer. I would greatly doubt this is a real audiophile recording. If it is, it is a great find. Jerry Randy Remote said: > jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > >> Jerry, the auction for a 180 gram pressing of "Ladies of the Canyon" is: >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=306&item=4059073961 >> >> The seller says it's a 180 gram pressing. It looks like the mfg is >> called >> "Virgin Vinyl". > > This is the first I have heard of LOTC on audiophile vinyl- > haven't heard of Virgin Vinyl-it's not an offshoot of the Virgin > label, is it? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 20:41:18 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, laughing, then crying Les in London wrote: 'What? Well you're in for the biggest treat of your life, and hopefully the start of a love affair that will only get better as you get older.' Father Mac blushed as he realised what he'd said. 'Ah, no - no, I meant with Joni's music, a love affair with her music.' A little later on it refers to Joni singing like a 'beautiful lonely blackbird'. Not the comparison I'd have made but there you have it. Les (in London and desparate for a new book to read to clear his palette..) - --------------- Thanks for sharing that, Les! Don't you just love it when Joni pops up in everyday life? Magic moments when we can all connect and relate! And I can't help but joke here though (lighhearted and non-malicious, honest!!!): I think you should leave "blue" and "a little green" on your palette.....then you can clear your palate on "I Know This Much is True" by Wally Lamb. LOL.... (seriously though, it's a great book). I've been lurking since Election Day -- sulking about that a bit, but WAY bigger than that, being in love for the first time after seven years of abject loneliness. Believe me, BSN, ESPECIALLY the first two songs, got lots of playing time (too much, in retrospect) -- I never EVER expected to feel such joy and bliss! And he was a a Jonilover, too. How many lyrics and lines and CDs we exchanged! JT, too. And seeing JT sing the national anthem during the Series (just for us, of course you know!) and having the Red Sox win (again, just for us) just made everything more magical. (I know, I know....it sounds really stupid now, but "it's hard to tell when you're in the spell....") But now, much to my deep shock and heartbreak, the two songs that are playing are "You've Changed" and "Answer Me, My Love." Ah, Lance, you and I are in the same sad sinking boat. My best wishes and healing vibes to you. This sucks big time. Thank God for the jonilovers here to keep us alive. Sorry to burden. Thanks for "being there" mes amis -- you know i will be there for you, too, when your spirits start to sink. Laughing and crying, with a big tearful hug to you all, Patti P.S. He opened my heart. He did, yes he did! Now I hope I can keep it open. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:06:25 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Stevie Wonder Kate Bennett wrote: > she is okay in the lower registers but she >sings out of key when she goes for the high notes... to my ears anyway... > > > sad what genetics can do-give someone bum ears. still, I am sure there are other things you can enjoy...;-) - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:49:40 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Kate Bush Fans at JMDL - This one's for you:) (Joni, you don't mind, right?) Kate has sent out the following message to her fans via the Kate Bush Club (yes, it still exists!) Hello Everyone, Many thanks for all your great letters of support and encouragement - they mean such a lot. The album is nearly finished now and will be out next year - we'll let you know when. It features some beautiful orchestral movements by Michael Kamen - we had a wonderful day together at Abbey Road Studios last winter. I'm so pleased with everyone's work on this record. There are some lovely performances and I hope you will all feel it's been worth the wait. Bertie keeps me very busy, he is so much fun and we are all really looking forward to Christmas. Wishing you a Merry Christmas and I hope next year is a really happy one for you. Lots of love, Kate Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:18:33 -0800 (PST) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: NJC Stevie Wonder hahaha colin, you were not supposed to be paying attention! > sad what genetics can do-give someone bum ears. still, I am sure there > are other things you can enjoy...;-) > > > -- > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:28:16 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Stevie Wonder kate@katebennett.com wrote: >hahaha colin, you were not supposed to be paying attention! > > > you should know by now that it is difficult to slip anything past me.... funny- i was just talking with john about what you said and he asked who you were and I said a lady from the joni list and he said that explains it, been listening too long to someone who really can't sing....no kidding! - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 22:20:03 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni mention in book In a message dated 12/9/04 3:04:28 AM, Les Ross writes: > > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:06:38 -0000 > From: "Ross, Les" > Subject: Joni in Fiction VLJC > > > << palette..)>>> > Les, the two best music biographies I've read have been "A Cure For Gravity" (Joe Jackson) and "Soul Picnic" (The Music & Passion of Laura Nyro). If you haven't read them yet, I'd strongly recommend them (even if you're not a JJ or LN fan.) Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:10:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Supreme Court [of Canada] approves same-sex marriage njc Supreme Court approves same-sex marriage CTV.ca News Staff The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that the government has the right to legalize same-sex marriage, but it didn't say whether the current definition of marriage is unconstitutional. The court's non-binding opinion, which was unanimous in a vote of 9-0, is in reference to four questions on the federal government's proposed legislation changing the definition of marriage. The court said today that the Charter of Rights and Freedoms clearly protects religious freedoms, but that times have changed and that the legal definition of marriage should also change. "Several centuries ago, it would have been understood that marriage be available only to opposite-sex couples. "The recognition of same-sex marriage in several Canadian jurisdictions as well as two European countries belies the assertion that the same is true today." Prime Minister Paul Martin applauded the decision, and said the government would now move forward with the legislation. He said the bill would be tabled in the House of Commons after the holiday break. "We are proceeding because quite simply we believe in the Charter of Rights and the guarantee it provides to equality," Martin said in a statement read to reporters in Ottawa. He said it was a decision he has personally struggled with "but fundamentally it comes down to the equality rights under the Charter." Three of the questions were put forth by the government under former prime minister Jean Chretien in July 2003. First question: Does Parliament have the exclusive legislative authority to change the legal definition of marriage? Supreme Court's answer: Yes Second question: Is extending the capacity to marry persons of the same sex consistent with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms? Supreme Court's answer: Yes Third question: Are religious leaders protected under the Charter of Rights from having to marry same-sex couples? Supreme Court's answer: Yes After taking over from the Chretien government, Prime Minister Paul Martin added a fourth question: **Fourth question: Is the traditional definition of marriage between a man and a woman constitutional? Supreme Court's answer: The Court exercises its discretion not to answer this question. Calling the decision a "huge victory" for the Conservative position, Opposition Leader Stephen Harper said he is encouraged by the court's muted rebuke of how the federal government has handled the issue. "We're encouraged also by the fact that the government was effectively chastised by the court for not appealing lower court decisions." ** Justice Minister Irwin Cotler rejected that assessment, saying the court went as far as it could to support the draft bill, and is now handing it over to Parliament. "They can't direct us as to what we should now do but they've gone as far as they could legitimately go," Cotler said. He said the court is essentially affirming the decisions handed down by lower courts in seven jurisdictions that ruled that the traditional definition of marriage is unconstitutional. "Now it's up to us to assume the responsibilities as a government, and happily we've got the Supreme court's support to assume that responsibility." Martin will hold a "two-line whip" on the vote, meaning cabinet ministers will have to vote for the bill. However, backbench MPs will be free to vote as they choose. "Individual members of Parliament should be and will be free to vote as they see fit. However, the position of the government is definitive. For that reason, cabinet members will be required to vote in favour of the legislation," Martin said. Political analysts suggest the bill will likely pass, but only by a small margin. The move toward legalizing gay marriage began in British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec. Rulings in those provinces were followed by similar court decisions in Manitoba, Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan, and the Yukon. If the legislation eventually passes in Parliament, Canada would be among the first countries to officially recognize gay and lesbian marriages. Only Belgium and the Netherlands have allowed gays to wed. New Zealand's parliament voted Thursday to allow civil unions. Voters in 11 U.S. states recently vetoed the idea, making Massachusetts the only American jurisdiction to permit it. http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1102592743862_17?hub=topstories - ------------------------------------------- **My comments - it's funny how different people will interpret the same thing in different ways. While ultra-conservative Steven Harper sees the SC's exercising its discretion not to comment as a victory for conservatives, I see it as the SC's deciding not to open a can of worms. If they see the traditional marriage of a man and a woman as constitutional (and I don't think anyone would say that its' not), then could that not be turned around to say that marriage between anyone other than a man and a woman is NOT constitutional? I guess it depends on what side of the fence you're on, but I would see it as a wise move on the part of the supreme court. Maybe I'm missing something. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:06:54 -0500 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: December 10 On December 10 the following articles were published: 1994: "Joni Mitchell warms up Euro press with showcase" - Billboard http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=790 1999: "The Lonely Painter" - Woodstock.com http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=704 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #488 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)