From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #486 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 8 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 486 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: crafts? njc [colin ] Re: gimme drugs, njc [Gertus@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: crafts? njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator [colin ] Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator [Em ] Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator [colin ] Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator [colin ] RE: Cholesterol remedies - NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] drugs, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Stevie Wonder njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Another Joni Re-Release on DVD ["mike pritchard" ] Thank you njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: gimme drugs, njc / least not forget heart and humility/NJC ["Scott an] OOOPS ["Scott and Jody" ] Re: Woodstock Grammy Win [BRYAN8847@aol.com] NJC - Re: drugs (I want a New Drug - Huey Lewis and The News) [OzWoman321] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #485njc [Kardinel@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator [Catherine McKay ] Re: drugs, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC - Re: drugs (I want a New Drug - Huey Lewis and The News) [Cather] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #485njc [colin ] Re: Cholesterol remedies - NJC [colin ] circle game, funeral, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator [Em ] Symposium video/audio available ["Les Irvin" ] Re: (NJC) Mark Morford: What Are You, On Drugs? [Em ] Re: Joni in Fiction VLJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: drug companies (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Is it possible? /Joni ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Joni Cover/Is it possible? ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Joni Cover/Smokestack Lightnin'? [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: FTR [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Re: Joni Cover/Smokestack Lightnin'? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] brian kennedy, was RE: Joni in Fiction - vljc ["patrick leader" Subject: Re: crafts? njc hell wrote: > > >I guess I do a few of these things - painting, drawing, sculpture, >cross-stitch, knitting, sewing, carpentry, furniture restoration, >bone-carving, etc. (and I have examples on my website, for anyone >interested). > > > A woman of many talents. I particularly liked the scultures and the cross-stitch. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 05:41:02 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: gimme drugs, njc >>Now I am in quandary. I take Crestor. One lot of Dr's are now saying this should be taken off the market-it can kill and isn't as safe as other statins. It halved my cholestorol and tho I now walk with the aid of two walking sticks, it appears not to be affecting me, accortding to blood testes, kidneys and ck and liver are fine. The other lot of Dr's say this drug is good and safe and they haev the studies to support it. The anti dr's say they ahev studies to prove that it is bad. Then there are the dr's and scientists who say the whole cholesterol thing is a crock of shit anyway, a red herring, and only the drug companies benefit. DSo i am told high cholesterol will kill me and the Crestor will stop that. I am also told that the drug will kill me and high cholestrol is not a killer and that people with high cholestorl surivive longer. oh and now a new study for another drug I take, Atenolol,(beta blocker) says the drug is crap and no better than a placebo.<< Hi Colin, Every day when I check my e-mail I get my JMDL digests and my druginfozone digests which help me in my job as a prescribing adviser. Today, I couldn't tell which one I was reading. I thought it was the JMDL but it seemed to be the druginfozone! Anyway, regarding your specific worries, Colin:- Crestor is the newest and most expensive kid on the block regarding statins. There are some concerns about its use especially in the US where there is a movement to have it banned. One of the reasons it seems to have more toxicity is that is more potent and therefore can be more effective than other statins and as a result you should only use the minimum effective dose (hopefully 10 mg). I only recommend it's use if other statins have been tried and have been ineffective. You might like to ask your GP to prescribe simvastatin instead which would save the NHS lots of dosh into the bargain. There are very good studies to show that reducing high cholesterol will lower your risk of heart attack and stroke but it's really up to you to decide whether that is worthwhile. The atenolol study you mention was widely reported in the press but I wouldn't worry about it too much. Atenolol is a beta blocker which has been around for about 30 years and definitely reduces blood pressure effectively. Hope this helps, Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 06:53:47 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator **If I never hear "I Just Called To Say I Love You" again, I wouldn't be unhappy about it! Well of course...it's horrid. As is his other "made for advertising" song "Send One Your Love" which was likely funded by FTD. This one came from "The Secret Life Of Plants" which was a big shark-jump for him. But the stuff prior to that...Songs In The Key of Life, Fulfillingness First Finale, Innervisions, Talking Book, Music Of My Mind were as solid a run as anybody had at the time, save for Joni herself! But...if his voice grates on you then none of that really matters. And I know what you mean, there are a couple of voices I can't stand as well - Geddy Lee of Rush being at the top of the list. If you can't get past the voice, nothing else really matters. Good luck with your present-making! Bob NP: X, "Soul Kitchen" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 07:33:07 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: crafts? njc --- colin wrote: > hell wrote: > > > > > > >I guess I do a few of these things - painting, > drawing, sculpture, > >cross-stitch, knitting, sewing, carpentry, > furniture restoration, > >bone-carving, etc. (and I have examples on my > website, for anyone > >interested). > > > > > > > A woman of many talents. I particularly liked the > scultures and the > cross-stitch. > > -- Hell is definitely multi-talented. I stand in awe. I suck at any kind of crafts, although I have tried my hand at a few. I did know how to crochet once upon a time and made a few things, simple things like scarves and simple hats, but I haven't done anything recently. My eyes just can't take it and I do have some carpal tunnel syndrome, so I wouldn't be able to keep it up for long enough. I tried to learn knitting but never could figure it out. I also tried doing stained glass but never could do much apart from cut myself with the glass, so that was a bust. I started to make a quilt when I was pregnant with my son, who is now 14. I finished one square and almost finished another. What is done is really very nice and I really must finish it one day. There are metres of fabric mouldering away in the basement that cry, "Shame!" at me every time I'm down there doing laundry. I took a drawing class at night school a number of years ago and I was OK at it, and may take that up again one day, but there's no fire in my belly for it. I think I will stick to the guitar playing for now. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 07:39:11 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: If you > can't get past the voice, > nothing else really matters. > That's mostly true, Bob, but there are times I have been able to get past the voice. When I first heard Ani Di Franco, I couldn't stand her voice and didn't want to listen. However, after reading her amazing lyrics, I gave her another try. I'm still not fond of her voice, because it just ain't purty, but it is a good voice for the kind of songs she sings and it has grown on me. I also love her guitar-playing and her whacky sense of humour combined with her keen sense of the truths about our messed-up society and desire for social justice. She is probaby an exception though. And Hell, if "I just called..." or "My cherie amour" are the only Stevie W songs you've heard, I wouldn't blame you for thinking he sucks. He has written some great tunes along with some pop pap crap. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 12:06:38 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Joni in Fiction VLJC One for the Joni in Fiction Archivist..... Just finished reading a so-so book The Arrival of Fergal Flynn recommended to me by my niece. She works for the well known and highly regarded Publisher (Hodder Headline Ireland) who are reported to be 'very excited' about it. Having just finished it, it strikes me as little more than a teenage fantasy set against a gritty (read horrendous) backdrop. A story about a young Belfast lad growing up in the height of the troubles in Northern Ireland and victim of extreme abuse by his family and at school who is discovered to be a wonderful singer and is whisked away to Rome to be taught by one of the finest singing coaches. Yeah, that's about it, you've read it, believe me. It's written by Brian Kennedy who's better known for his singing and 'platinum-selling' albums like The Great War of Words and Get on With Your Short Life. I've never heard of him so can't comment on his singing or style. The blurb on the book states that he's had a show on BBC called Brian Kennedy on Song. Again, never heard of it. But Joni gets a hefty mention in a romantic scene where the hero of the piece is falling in reciprocated love with the new young Priest. Father Mac searched his record collection nervously, buying time. 'Do you mind if I put some music on? I always fall asleep with music on, turned down low so I can still hear the phone or the doorbell - ' 'Sure. What've you got?' Fergal moved over to him..etc 'I don't know - let me see - Ella, Billy, Frank...Oh, I know, let's have some Joni Mitchell. Do you like Joni?' 'I don't really know. I've never heard of her.' 'What? Well you're in for the biggest treat of your life, and hopefully the start of a love affair that will only get better as you get older.' Father Mac blushed as he realised what he'd said. 'Ah, no - no, I meant with Joni's music, a love affair with her music.' A little later on it refers to Joni singing like a 'beautiful lonely blackbird'. Not the comparison I'd have made but there you have it. Les (in London and desparate for a new book to read to clear his palette..) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:59:16 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator Catherine McKay wrote: > --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >If you > > >>can't get past the voice, >>nothing else really matters. >> >> >> > >That's mostly true, Bob, but there are times I have >been able to get past the voice. When I first heard >Ani Di Franco, I couldn't stand her voice and didn't >want to listen. > I own 'not a prettyu face' and it stadns as the worst cd i have ever bought. absolutely dreadful to my ears. now she may be a great songwriter and have oodles of talent but to me I wouldn't know because she sounds so awful. Even Bjork sounds better to me. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:31:31 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator --- colin wrote: > I own 'not a prettyu face' and it stadns as the > worst cd i have ever > bought. absolutely dreadful to my ears. now she may > be a great > songwriter and have oodles of talent but to me I > wouldn't know because > she sounds so awful. Even Bjork sounds better to me. > > -- Ah well, there ya go. I love Bjork. I think the woman is a friggin' genius. Nonetheless, I completely understand how some people wouldn't like her, and I hope that doesn't sound condescending, because it's not meant to be. It's the way she deals with sound (instrumental, electronic and human voice) that I find fascinating. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:31:09 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator, now Stevie Wonder <> euwwwww. nasty stuff. anybody heard anything about stevie's planned april 2005 release, a time 2 love? i haven't been able to find anything to listen to, and i'm very curious! cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:48:15 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: drug companies (njc) Sorry, i forget who wrote this originally - Bree? I think: > As far as these evil pharmaceutical companies ..you know many people owe their very breath to these evil doers. I think I read that from the time of the drug going from the petri dish to the market it costs about 100 million dollars for that pharmaceutical company. They have to regain their money. And then you have stockholders... on and on. The pharmaceutical companies talk about the money they need for research, BUT, in fact, the vast majority of research is done by hospitals, research institutes (Dana-Farber, Sloan-Kettering, etc.) and the like. Sure, it's expensive to bring a truly new drug to market. But most drug companies are now creating "knock-offs" of drugs whose patents are expiring. That way, they ensure that their huge profits continue. Having been in several clinical trials, I can tell you first hand that the drug companies pick up the bare minimum of the cost. If you think about it, you realize that drug companies don't actually employ the doctors and nurses needed to administer trial drugs. In fact, I never saw a single person even remotely affiliated with the drug company. Oh, and as for the lab animals, they aren't owned or maintained by the drug companies either. So all this talk about the expense to the drug companies is a smoke screen. So who really pays for the research? We do. Much of it is federally funded (in the U.S. anyway). So, not only do we already pay for the research through our taxes (which is ok by me), but we pay exhorbitantly high drug costs, supposedly for research, but actually to give drug company execs huge profits (which is not ok). I'm grateful to the people who do the real work, day in and day out - the doctors, nurses, and researchers, NONE of whom receive a dime from the drug companies. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 07:22:54 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator I would like to say that I feel very thankful that so many people with what have been traditionally considered "not pretty" voices have gone ahead with their music and have flown in the face of "the world's" expectations. I, for one, would be much poorer with no Dylan, no Neil Young, not Tom Waits, no Janis Joplin.....all those people that are or were "difficult" to listen to...... I mean I like a pretty voice as much as the next person (Jacqui McShee just rips my face off) but some of the best stuff (for me) has also come from the "pig stuck in a fence" crowd. And I might add that in my opinion its even more difficult for women who fall into this catagory. "The world" expects men's voices to have quirks and "character" a bit more. Which irritates me to no end, but whatever, lol. Em - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > --- colin wrote: > > I own 'not a prettyu face' and it stadns as the > > worst cd i have ever > > bought. absolutely dreadful to my ears. now she may > > be a great > > songwriter and have oodles of talent but to me I > > wouldn't know because > > she sounds so awful. Even Bjork sounds better to me. > > > > -- > > Ah well, there ya go. I love Bjork. I think the woman > is a friggin' genius. Nonetheless, I completely > understand how some people wouldn't like her, and I > hope that doesn't sound condescending, because it's > not meant to be. It's the way she deals with sound > (instrumental, electronic and human voice) that I find > fascinating. > > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:35:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator Catherine McKay wrote: > and I >hope that doesn't sound condescending, because it's >not meant to be. > bet you did! ;-0 john agres with you -he likes her. > It's the way she deals with sound >(instrumental, electronic and human voice) that I find >fascinating. > > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:38:56 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator Em wrote: >I would like to say that I feel very thankful that so many people with >what have been traditionally considered "not pretty" voices have gone >ahead with their music and have flown in the face of "the world's" >expectations. > i ageee more or less. i haev afew amanda lear albums and she can't sing for toffee. the 'not a pretty face' album just sounds awful. i don't think it's just her voice. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:10:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Cholesterol remedies - NJC >I think I read that from the time of the drug going from the petri dish to the market it costs about 100 million dollars for that pharmaceutical company. They have to regain their money. And then you have stockholders... on and on.< They key in that phrase may be "to market"... at any rate the amount of money spent on marketing is by far larger than the R&D... don't have the actual percentages in front of me at this moment but its quite astounding... Speaking of cholesterol, my bro in law lowered his dramatically by going on the high protein no carb diet for a time... his cholesterol was in the dangerous zone prior to changing his diet- his doctor was amazed at the result not being a dietary informed kind of doc... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:14:58 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: drugs, njc >I don't really have an idea, but if I were to give an uneducated guess, I would say that 30% of people in the US are on drugs like paxol, (and the rest).< Watching some news kind of program last night (probably relating to steroid use) it was said that the number is much higher- it surprised me it was so high- I recall it was something like around 80 percent of our country takes at least one prescription daily.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:25:45 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Stevie Wonder njc >If I never hear "I Just Called To Say I Love You" again, I wouldn't be unhappy about it! There's just something about his voice that really grates on me...< I love early stevie & that song you mentioned is later stevie & I agree it is AWFUL... not up to his usual genius (sound like anyone else we know who has a few bombs especially during the 80's) hell have you listened to his early albums?... pure musical bliss imo... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 17:31:03 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Another Joni Re-Release on DVD >>Due for release according to Videoflicks.com on January 11, 2005 is "The Joni Mitchell Collector's Edition" DVD which is a two disc set featuring....uh..."Painting With Words And Music" and "Woman Of Heart And Mind." << I already have this double DVD set. I already had the 'Painting' DVD but the other was available until now, at least a Zone 2 version. So now I have 2 copies of 'Painting'. Gill, want a free copy? When you coming over? mike in barcelona ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:14:16 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Thank you njc I got home from Iowa on Monday night. I still haven't gotten caught up with email and I wanted to send a quick thank you to everybody who sent such kind and warm messages of sympathy. I will try to send a note to each of you individually but if I don't get it done, please don't take offense and know that I appreciate the kindness that went into each and every email. Everything went well and a lot of things happened that made me feel very blessed to be part of close and loving families on both my mom & dad's sides. Right now I'm still processing and not sure what I will be feeling from one minute to the next. Dad died in his sleep which I see as a blessing. He was 83 and his body had been failing him for a long time. He is free of it now and I'm grateful for that. My mother is fairly unresponsive but we're pretty sure that she knows what has happened and has accepted it. She has a strong religious faith that sees her through a lot. My brother, sister and I functioned very well as a strong unit and the rest of the family enfolded us in love and caring like a warm blanket. It helps a whole lot to be able to feel something so positive out of this loss. Your caring and kindness has been a part of that positive experience and you have helped me with balancing it all out. Thank each and every one of you for being there. With Much Love, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 03:30:02 -0500 From: "Scott and Jody" Subject: Re: gimme drugs, njc / least not forget heart and humility/NJC First Off, I haven't read any of this thread. I'm pretty much off the list, but wanted to check in. CongRatulations MR. Robert SmuRfy----- Being from Boston, Smurf always says I Way over pronounce my RRRR'S. I'm from the Midwest so we have enunciating issues all the time. It's murder during "talk like a pirate week" He say's AUUUUG Maty and I say ARRRRRGH - damn it. Anyway........ Speaking of drugs, I just admitted, and more importantly accepted, that I'm an Alcoholic. I quit smoking before drinking....What the hell was I thinking there? I AM Very serious about becoming sober. This is so hard for me to write. I've been on this list for over seven years and have been to five Jonifests, if not more smaller JMDL gatherings. Wally, titled, while reporting about fest, "Just Your Ordinary Bombed Girl on Crutches". I'm paraphrasing, but that was me!! I flew to Ashara's on Parsonage Lane, Mass sportin crutches with Laura , Coupon Queen, ( Where are you, I miss you?) And I Got Drunk whilst on crutches. Hello, jack pot???? I do remember ALL the music though, which was incredible!!! I remember ALL the wonderful conversations I had with everyone there. I met some Wonderful Jmdlers that will always be GOOD FRIENDS of mine. Heart. About Humility: I used to work for a top notch catering company on the "North Shore" in the Chicago area. We'd cater parties for the WHITE SOX. HI Vince. Speaking of... One of my FAVORITE memories are with you, Laura et all seeing Joni in Chicago. Aside from Our SOX (How About them Red Sox though?) At any rate, we made all this food for The SOX, Bulls, John Houston( Made a lot of Movies in our area) and I remember f***ing up an order, but nothing compared to me messing up the coffee my first night as Coffee Maker at an AA meeting.(The coffee filters were too small so we had to indulge in chunky coffee.) Who'd a thunk when I was growing up that I'd have a key to get in to a church to make coffee for a bunch a drunks like me??? love to you all, jody From: "Donna Binkley" To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: RE: gimme drugs, njc > Congratulations Smurphy you go boy!! db > >>>> "Wally Kairuz" 12/7/2004 10:58:58 AM >>>> > no darling. since 2003! > >> -----Mensaje original----- >> De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de >> Smurfycopy@aol.com >> Enviado el: Martes, 07 de Diciembre de 2004 10:28 a.m. >> Para: LCStanley7@aol.com; anima_rising@yahoo.ca >> CC: joni@smoe.org; tantra@lhasaapso.name; treegreen1@hotmail.com >> Asunto: Re: gimme drugs, njc >> >> >> >> >> --Smurf, tobaccoless since December 8, 2004! > > > This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:44:07 -0500 From: "Scott and Jody" Subject: OOOPS Please disregard my last email. thanks, jody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:55:16 -0500 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: Woodstock Grammy Win Brian - That was last year's Grammy list (not the list of nominations released yesterday). I had forgotten though that Travelogue was honored with a Grammy for Woodstock...some praise at least for that much-maligned CD. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:21:30 EST From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: NJC - Re: drugs (I want a New Drug - Huey Lewis and The News) Hello, All - Given our recent thread, thought this might be of interest (since I'm on digest, I'm hoping this isn't a duplication) - I know Lori's also a Mark Morford fan (and there may be more... :-) http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2004/12/08/notes120804.DTL& nl=fix Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com http://www.horseofadifferentcolorbooking.com "songs are like tattoos..." ~ Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:38:49 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #485njc Hi, I work in a mental health center and if you saw the amount of drugs being given out you wouldn't believe it. True, there are some people who need something because of the seriousness of their illness. But should people be gaining 100 lbs and be in a stupor? I have seen people who were once physically beautiful change into physical wrecks. Also as far as antidepressants go-we mistake unhappiness for depression. If you have a real depression you will know it and a walk across the room will be a trip around the world. The SSRIs have never tested out better than sugar pills and have tons of side effects. Walk, eat right, laugh, sleep well. Kardinel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:52:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator --- Em wrote: >"The world" expects > men's voices to have > quirks and "character" a bit more. > Which irritates me to no end, but whatever, lol. > Em The world expects and allows men to have more quirks. Period. Never mind the voices. That's just a small part of it. Do NOT get me started on that! On the other hand, we can wear pants and no one cares. But let a man wear a dress... Heh-heh-heh. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:41:05 -0500 From: lfye@cresapartners.com Subject: (NJC) Mark Morford: What Are You, On Drugs? I'm WAY behind on all things JMDL, but Em and I were writing off-list earlier today and she suggested I share this with y'all ... Happy holidays (bleh), Lori, who swears by Zoloft and Wellbutrin ; ) ===== Mark Morford's Notes & Errata ===== SFGate.com - December 8, 2004 What Are You, On Drugs? With so many Americans popping prescription meds, who needs nature and sex and exercise? By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist The odds are very good that you are on drugs. Right now. This minute. As I type this and as you read this and as false Texas dictators rise and sad empires crumble and as this mad bewildered world spins in its frantically careening orbit, there's a nearly 50/50 chance that some sort of devious synthetic chemical manufactured by some massive and largely heartless corporation is coursing through your bloodstream and humping your brain stem and molesting your karma and kicking the crap out of your libido and chattering the teeth of your very bones. Maybe it's regulating your blood pressure. Maybe it's keeping your cholesterol in check. Maybe it's helping you sleep. Maybe it's helping you wake the hell up. Maybe it's opening your bronchial tubes. Maybe it's brightening your terminally bleak outlook. Maybe it's adjusting your hormone levels or controlling your urge to weep every minute or relaxing the blood vessels in your penis or cranking the serotonin to your brain or pumping carefully measured slugs of alprazolam or fluoxetine or sertraline or atorvastatin or esomeprazole or buspirone or venlafaxine or any number of substances with Latin-rooted jawbreaker names through your flesh in a bizarre dance of miraculous vaguely disturbing death-defying scientific wonder. Forty-four percent of all Americans. That's the latest number. Almost half us are popping at least one prescription drug and fully one in six are popping three or more, (click here to read the rest) (Full URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2004/12/08/notes120804.DTL&nl=fix ) - -- Subscribe/Unsubscribe here -- - -- Mark's column archives are here -- - -- Mark's email address is here -- - -- You are here -- All contents (tm) (c) 2004 SF Gate Have a lovely day ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:09:03 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: speaking of Grammies njc Not sure if anybody's interested but for any fans of 'Van Lear Rose' and for what the Grammies are worth, it's nice to see that this record is getting some recognition. Mark Loretta Lynn receives five Grammy nods The White Stripes' Jack White produced 'Van Lear Rose' The Associated Press Updated: 7:08 p.m. ET Dec. 7, 2004 NASHVILLE, Tenn. - With a rocker's help, Loretta Lynn has garnered the most Grammy nominations of her career. The 69-year-old country legend received five Grammy nominations for "Van Lear Rose," which was produced by the White Stripes' Jack White. The album was well-received by critics but yielded scant attention from country radio. "I was shocked when they nominated me for five different things," Lynn said in an interview with The Associated Press. "It's kind of like my first one," Lynn said of the album. "It's back to real country." Lynn, whose hits range from "Don't Come Home A' Drinkin' (With Lovin' On Your Mind)" to "Out of My Head And Back in My Bed," only has one Grammy. She won in 1971 for her duet "After the Fire is Gone" with the late Conway Twitty. Her Tuesday nominations - the most of any country artist - include best female country vocal performance for "Miss Being Mrs.," a song about Mooney Lynn, her husband of 48 years who died in 1996; and best country collaboration with vocals for "Portland, Oregon," a duet with White. Both tunes also are nominated for best country song. Her fifth nod is for country album of the year for "Van Lear Rose," a raw, sometimes dark collection that has White's fingerprints all over it. He augments the traditional country instrumentation and twangy vocals with heavy drums and bursts of grungy electric guitar. Lynn said she was happy for White that her album fared so well with Grammy voters. "I'm glad it done like it done because that kid worked so hard," she said of White. She's particularly pleased about "Portland, Oregon," which recounts a night of sloe gin fizzes and a romantic fling. "It's my favorite," she said. "I was in Portland, Oregon, when I wrote it. I got to thinking that everybody writes about Texas - what's wrong with Portland, Oregon?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:18:28 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: drugs, njc --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > I'm wondering how many people are on anti depressant > type drugs. . in our > society. > > I know there is a time a place for them. some > people really benefit from > them. (My mom, being one). . but I feel they are > over prescribed. > I was on Zoloft for a while, but I stopped taking it 2-3 yrs ago... after my husband left! (didn't need it anymore - funny, that.) I agree that they do have a place and that many people do benefit from them. You certainly can't suddenly stop taking them. I cut back little by little. There were a few times while I was on them when I had to stop suddenly for a while because I was out of money and couldn't afford to get more. Ironic, because I have a drug plan but you have to pay first and then submit your receipt to get a reimbursement, but I was very low on money at the time and had no choice. You end up getting very dizzy and feeling just awful if you stop suddenly. You have to cut back the dose little by little because it stays in your system for quite a while. It did help me but it wasn't a drastic sort of change. On the other hand, sometimes I would get sick and throw up after taking one but I believe it was the stuff the capsule was made of and not so much the drug itself. My shrink suggested I break them open and mix the drug with orange juice and that was better. Still, while I believe that most of my family is some kind of depressed, we are not so depressed that we try to kill ourselves on any regular kind of basis. (Most of us just plot the deaths of our spouses, but it never goes further than that.) It's more of an underfunctioning, self-loathing kind of thing. It's called being Irish Catholic, I suppose. What has worked better for me is getting enough sleep (I still don't), eating properly (I'm not too good at this either), exercising regularly (I'll get right back on that, yeah right, like tomorrow maybe, after I've had a good night's sleep?), and talking to people about it, esp. other people who understand it, because everyone else either wouldn't get it, or would be bored silly by it. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:33:20 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC - Re: drugs (I want a New Drug - Huey Lewis and The News) --- OzWoman321@aol.com wrote: > Hello, All - > > Given our recent thread, thought this might be of > interest (since I'm on > digest, I'm hoping this isn't a duplication) - I > know Lori's also a Mark Morford > fan (and there may be more... :-) > > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2004/12/08/notes120804.DTL& > nl=fix > I've become a Mark Morford fan, thanks to Lori. He is now my patron saint. Your e-mail got dumped into the spam folder, maybe because the word "drug" was in it, but it was spelled correctly, so what's up widdat? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 21:42:23 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #485njc Kardinel@aol.com wrote: >Hi, I work in a mental health center and if you saw the amount of drugs being >given out you wouldn't believe it. True, there are some people who need >something because of the seriousness of their illness. But should people be gaining >100 lbs and be in a stupor? I have seen people who were once physically >beautiful change into physical wrecks. > I agree with you even tho I am bi polar. I hate the damn drugs and no longer take them. I have learned how to deal with illness and lessen it's effects. I haven't had to deal with mania unmedicated as it hasn't happened for a long while-i am told the odler one gets the depression becoems more frequent and the highs less. seems so with me. Unfortunately, I do get meds when I am high because the choice is taken from me. And they do turn me into a wreck. Horrid wicked things. > > If you have a real depression you will know it >and a walk across the room will be a trip around the world. > My dogs and previously my cats, tho dogs are more dependent, help me a great deal. I HAVE to get out of bed to take care of them I have to feed them, groom them, exercise them, play with them, talk to them, love them. And they are the same with me no matter how I am. Even when I am really low they can make me smile but even if they don't, they get me out of bed. There are times when low that i think i shouldn't have them, tnat they deserve a better owner etc but the tools i hae to deal with myself now enable me to see this is the depression talking and that it will pass. That is all i can hang onto, knowing this black cloud will pass soon and the sun will shine again (tho hopefully not too brghtly) - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 21:43:52 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Cholesterol remedies - NJC Kate Bennett wrote: > >Speaking of cholesterol, my bro in law lowered his dramatically by going on >the high protein no carb diet for a time... his cholesterol was in the >dangerous zone prior to changing his diet- > mine lowered dramatically too. unfortunately for me, one of the meds I take raises cholesterol as one of it's possible side effects. > his doctor was amazed at the >result not being a dietary informed kind of doc... > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:46:51 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: circle game, funeral, njc >>I especially loved this part: > He used to tape record himself singing, with his tight-lipped German >accent >and Mario Lanza type voice, then play it back and harmonize with himself. yeah, that was beautiful _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:49:24 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > On the other hand, we can wear pants and no one cares. > But let a man wear a dress... Hi Catherine, yeah there are definately double standards that go both ways. I can think of others too. Lots of stuff must seem unfair to men too, for sure. Em < Subject: Symposium video/audio available Joniphiles - McGill University has graciously provided complete video of the Joni Mitchell Symposium from October 27 on their website (check it out: http://www.mcgill.ca/music/events/jmitchell_symposium/). Many thanks to them for making it available. It's a bit inconvenient, however, as it's streaming video and takes a great deal of patience (about 6 hours worth) to watch it in one sitting. Sooooo..... I've captured the video, converted it, and am offering it up to anyone who'd like it. There are a number of formats and a couple of ways to get it. It is available right now for download in the Joni file-sharing hub. More info here: http://jmdl.com/p2pinfo.txt Or, I'll mail you copies under the condition that you first mail me: 1) the appropriate blank media with 2) a return mailing label and 3) enough extra postage to get it back to you. You have three snail mail options to choose from: 1) MP3 audio only. Send me one blank CD-R. 2) Video in WMV format - playable on a PC using Windows Media Player (and probably on a MAC?). Send me 2 blank CD-Rs. The returned CDs will also include the MP3 audio. 3) DVD format - playable on your DVD player. Send me 2 blank DVD+Rs or DVD-Rs. Disclaimer on the DVDs: 3x5 inch video that looks good on a computer screen loses "a bit" of resolution expanded to the TV screen. It's a bit grainy and ghosty but still better than staring at the computer for 6 hours! No need to clear it with me first, just send away. Within the package, remind me as to exactly what format you'd like. I'll burn them usually the same day I get them and send the goods right back to you. Send to: Joni Symposium Offer c/o Les Irvin 662 Crosstrail Dr Colorado Springs, CO 80906 USA And when you get the goods, if you can pass a copy along to others - FOR FREE - please do so... Thanks! Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:58:55 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: (NJC) Mark Morford: What Are You, On Drugs? Hey Lori! There ya are! nice to see you popping your head up..like a seal's little nose poking through the ice! :D Em < I'm WAY behind on all things JMDL, but Em and I were writing off-list > > earlier today and she suggested I share this with y'all ......snip.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:57:12 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Fiction VLJC **It's written by Brian Kennedy who's better known for his singing and 'platinum-selling' albums like The Great War of Words and Get on With Your Short Life. I'm assuming this is the same Brian Kennedy who recorded the knockout version of "A Case Of You". Definitely a renaissance man if he's as good an author as he is a singer. Bob NP: Ani, "Back Back Back" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:02:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: drug companies (njc) **Oh, and as for the lab animals, they aren't owned or maintained by the drug companies either. This may be true of some but certainly not all. My sister works for Glaxo-Smith-Kline at their Research Triangle Park location, and her job is buying and maintaining all the various animals. She has a counterpart in PA who does the same thing. She showed me one of the catalogs she uses, with all the varieties, sizes, colors, etc. of all the mice, etc., very interesting stuff. Bob NP: Martha & The Muffins, "Shades Of Scarlett Conquering" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:56:56 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Is it possible? /Joni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 20:05:11 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Joni Cover/Is it possible? Has anyone ever heard of a band called Wheatfield? I saw them a week or so ago and she covered "Conversation" and he covered BYT. They are 2 people from a local Houston band from the 1970's. I bought their CD and it has a bluegrass version of our Joni's Conversation on it! Bob - SCjoniguy - (JoniBob) do you have this one? love db >>> 12/08/04 5:57 PM >>> **It's written by Brian Kennedy who's better known for his singing and 'platinum-selling' albums like The Great War of Words and Get on With Your Short Life. I'm assuming this is the same Brian Kennedy who recorded the knockout version of "A Case Of You". Definitely a renaissance man if he's as good an author as he is a singer. Bob NP: Ani, "Back Back Back" This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:17:01 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Cover/Is it possible? **Bob - SCjoniguy - (JoniBob) do you have this one?** Very cool! No Donna, I have not heard of it & do not have it. A bluegrass version of Conversation...man oh man, I am chomping at the bit to hear it! And it's funny, because out of ALL the BSN's I've accumulated I didn't have a bluegrass version...a couple of Woodstocks, but no BSN. Well just this week I get this 1976 LP from banjoist Eddie Shelton with a true bluegrass take on BSN...also appearing on the record, playing dobro, is none other than Vince Gill! (And of course Vince is married to Amy Grant who's done BYT, so the Joni covers world is very incestuous!) So it's been a big hoedown week for me - after all when it comes to Joni covers, I ain't nuthin' but a ho'! Thanks for sharing the info, Donna - big hug from SC - love ya gal! Bob Patti Witten, "Last Looks" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:36:14 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: FTR was wondering if anyone else gets the feeling that Banquet and JOTMAS are perfectly balanced bookends to the rest of the record? I mean maybe in a way Banquet is "lighter" in the sense it would register lesser weight on a scale..but still the 2 songs are like "related", right? There's a few phrases etc in Banquet that ID it as a 20th century song, but otherwise I feel these songs are twin brothers, Pollux and Castor-like maybe in a sense. Diff strengths and attributes but more of the same *sort* than the other tunes. More timeless than the other tunes. Or??? I don't *need* anyone to agree with me per se..more like would love to hear any opinions... :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:00:01 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Cover/Smokestack Lightnin'? Ho'Bo' writes: > So it's been a big hoedown week for me - after all when it comes to Joni > covers, I ain't nuthin' but a ho'! > So, when a ho' gits down, that's a ho'down? Here's a question for the Southern men and women here. What exactly is 'smokestack lightning'? I am currently addicted to Etta James's version of the song, now that I no longer drink alcohol or smoke cigs, and I have tried finding an answer to this question on line, but I just keep coming up with covers of the song. XO, - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:08:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: FTR Yeah, your point is well made about the bookends, Em. Banquet generally is a song that decries the inequities in the world, and then she walks you through the gallery of the album, looking at some self-portraits and some observations about others, and by the end of it there's the "you've got to shake your fists like lightning" stuff, as if to say that you've got to find the strength to go on, even with all the inequities and all the shit that happens along the way. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "I Wanna Be Loved" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:21:55 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni Cover/Smokestack Lightnin'? NJC **What exactly is 'smokestack lightning'? I didn't turn up anything either...my guess is that it's a variation on 'White Lightnin' or illegally brewed moonshine, perhaps using a metal smokestack (like from a wood stove) in the process. Like I said, just a pure-ass conjecture on my part. Bob NP: Susan Cowsill, "The Last Time I Saw Richard" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:27:56 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: brian kennedy, was RE: Joni in Fiction - vljc ahh, brian kennedy, when joni did a west coast tour with dylan and van morrison in may 1998, i attended three shows in los angeles with a great contingent of listers. brian kennedy was singing back-up for van, and a bunch of us (especially kakki and i) bonded over his sexy charm, good looks and truly gorgeous irish tenor. i love his version of 'a case of you' as well. he was a guest singer for some version of 'riverdance on broadway' a couple of years ago and during the run he played a series of monday night dates at 'arlene's grocery' a tiny rock club on the lower east side (very close to 'the living room' actually). i saw him there, too, with a bunch of rowdy expats. great show. he's also rather adamantly bisexual, claiming that to identify as gay or straight would be unfair to half the folks he loves. he said, "sometimes i'm so confused, i don't know which end is up" a truly magnificent double-entendre. i'd like to help him with his dilemma... i have two albums and a couple of other songs. plenty to love, but my favourite is an album called 'a better man' patrick np - todd rundgren, 'afterlife' "the child is so sweet, and the girls are so rapturous. isn't it lovely how artists can capture us?" 'children and art', from sondheim's 'sunday in the park with george' > >It's written by Brian Kennedy who's better known for his singing and >'platinum-selling' albums like The Great War of Words and Get on With Your >Short ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #486 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)