From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #485 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 8 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 485 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: gimme drugs, njc [tantra_apso ] Re: The Circle Game and Urge for Going - funeral songs [Catherine McKay <] Re: gimme drugs, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: gimme drugs, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: gimme drugs, njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: gimme drugs, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Cholesterol remedies - NJC ["Ruth Davis" ] Joni at the Jene Autry Museum (A request) [Nuriel Tobias ] RE: Joni at the Jene Autry Museum (A request) ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Joni at the Jene Autry Museum (A request) [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Cholesterol remedies - NJC ["Ruth Davis" ] fred simon NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: drugs, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Gene Autrey Show ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: gimme drugs, njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: gimme drugs, njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: NJC-The Circle Game and Urge for Going - funeral songs ["Donna Binkle] RE: gimme drugs, njc ["Donna Binkley" ] David Lahm - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Another Dr Joan song Grammy Winner! [Brian Gross ] Re: gimme drugs, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Circle Game and Urge for Going - funeral songs [faucet@pipeline.c] Re: fred simon NJC [FredNow@aol.com] RE: crafts? njc ["hell" ] RE: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:36:52 +0000 From: tantra_apso Subject: Re: gimme drugs, njc Catherine McKay wrote: > > >Colin, this is exactly what the Toronto Star had in >its Saturday edition. Not that I would for one minute >suggest that people drop whatever medication they're >taking, but it always helps to know as much as >possible about what you've been prescribed and often >doctors don't tell you everything. Often they don't >know everything themselves and many of them are inept >at communicating in plain language. > Thanks, I think, I am seriously thinking of stopping this drug and compensating by not eating anything nice. I am only 45 and move around like a 90 year old. Maybe it isn't related and i know my physical problems predated the statin start but they have got much much worse since i started the satin. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 06:53:36 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Circle Game and Urge for Going - funeral songs --- mia ortlieb wrote: > Last weekend was my grandpa's funeral. We > celebrated his wonderful life > with music. Mia, I'm sorry to heard of your grandpa's passing, but what a sweet and touching story. It's easy to see where you got your love of music. I especially loved this part: > He used to tape record > himself singing, with his tight-lipped German accent > and Mario Lanza type > voice, then play it back and harmonize with himself. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 07:06:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: gimme drugs, njc --- tantra_apso wrote: > I am seriously thinking of stopping this drug and > compensating by not > eating anything nice. > > I am only 45 and move around like a 90 year old. > Maybe it isn't related > and i know my physical problems predated the statin > start but they have > got much much worse since i started the satin. > Please do discuss this with your doctor. It could be statin-related, or then again, it might not. These drugs probably are beneficial to many people, but we're not all the same, no matter what happens in the lab tests. Still, I think that we are an overmedicated society. There's such a rush to get new drugs on the market, but it's not all the pharmaceutical companies' doing. Often people start demanding a new drug that hasn't been approved yet, because they believe it's the miracle drug that will save their life or improve it somehow. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:20:26 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: gimme drugs, njc Catherine wrote: Still, I think that we are an overmedicated society. Hi Catherine! I was speaking to a medical student recently about this. He was concerned because at least 50% of our population takes one or more prescription drugs on a regular basis. I take two myself, and don't have to call my doctor in the morning because I wake up with him. We are a druggy society both legally and illegally. Yes, it does seem like our lifestyle has contributed to a need to be medicated just to be "normal." But really we don't have much to complain about compared to the rest of the world... "damn I have way too much syrup on my waffle this morning!" An increase in life expectancy has produced increasingly larger numbers of elderly people, and with age comes malady. Our "normal" is different from what it used to be one or two generations back. Diagnoses have become much more indepth as we learn more about the body, especially on a molecular level. Medications act on the molecular level so it is no wonder that more and more medicines are being developed and prescribed as we increase our knowledge in the basic medical sciences. I personally wouldn't call our society over medicated. That is a popular idea though. I question if we are really more medicated than years ago because people have always looked to herbs and other plant and animal products to self-medicate. The mechanisms of action of these are better understood and the active ingredients are extracted, packaged and sold in prescription form today. Medicines have grown in numbers just like technologies. Life isn't as seemingly simple as it used to be. So, what happens if reefer is legalized? How many different brands with there be... what to choose, what to choose?! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:27:40 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: gimme drugs, njc Laura writes: > So, what happens if reefer is legalized? > How many different brands with there be... what to choose, what to choose?! > > Non-menthol. - --Smurf, tobaccoless since December 8, 2004! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:23:20 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: gimme drugs, njc Colin wrote: Maybe it isn't related and i know my physical problems predated the statin start but they have got much much worse since i started the satin. Hi Colin! Did you mean for the last word here to read "satin" or satan?! Have you ever used Lecithin? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:38:22 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: Cholesterol remedies - NJC I have been reading that ingesting 1/2 teaspoon of cinnamon on a daily basis is as effective as the high-priced cholesterol medicines, at a fraction of the cost, with no side effects. This is being researched in India, which I guess the international pharmaceutical cartel has not completely overpowered yet. It is worth investigating, if someone has a mild to moderate cholesterol elevation. It could possibly be used by someone with a more serious cholesterol problem, as an adjunct to drug therapy. If it caused a reduction in cholesterol levels, then I would think the pharmaceutical medication dose could be reduced. Actually, a lot of culinary herbs have healing properties, which I plan to learn more about. Pleasant to use, inexpensive if you grow them yourself, what more could a person ask? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 06:05:42 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Joni at the Jene Autry Museum (A request) Could anyone please tell me what songs Joni sang in her live show at the Jene Autry Museum and how much do i need to pay anyone who's willing to send it to me for free:)? Thanks, Nuriel Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 09:06:50 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Cholesterol remedies - NJC So now I can have two pieces of cinnamon toast every morning Ruth..is that what you are telling me? I love cinnamon!! (Tomorrow morning..Cinnamon in my OJ) As far as these evil pharmaceutical companies ..you know many people owe their very breath to these evil doers. I think I read that from the time of the drug going from the petri dish to the market it costs about 100 million dollars for that pharmaceutical company. They have to regain their money. And then you have stockholders... on and on. Bree >From: "Ruth Davis" >Reply-To: "Ruth Davis" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Cholesterol remedies - NJC >Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:38:22 GMT > >I have been reading that ingesting 1/2 teaspoon of cinnamon on a daily >basis is as effective as the high-priced cholesterol medicines, at a >fraction of the cost, with no side effects. This is being researched in >India, which I guess the international pharmaceutical cartel has not >completely overpowered yet. It is worth investigating, if someone has a >mild to moderate cholesterol elevation. It could possibly be used by >someone with a more serious cholesterol problem, as an adjunct to drug >therapy. If it caused a reduction in cholesterol levels, then I would >think the pharmaceutical medication dose could be reduced. > >Actually, a lot of culinary herbs have healing properties, which I plan to >learn more about. Pleasant to use, inexpensive if you grow them yourself, >what more could a person ask? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 06:12:48 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: gimme drugs, njc actually it *would* be fun to see what all kinds are offered. Since so many people became afficionadoes, in a way, over the years. Be interesting if supply meets demand in terms of diff varieties. I'd choose one that doesn't give you the munchies or make you paranoid. I would try and find a good music-listening, idea-giving or at least idea "allowing" "creative weed". Brain relaxing. And it would have to be very mild - as I can't stand to smoke. Maybe they could produce a "tea" for the non-smokers? Pipe dreams, all. :) Em - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Laura writes: > > > So, what happens if reefer is legalized? > > How many different brands with there be... what to choose, what to > choose?! > > > > > Non-menthol. > > --Smurf, tobaccoless since December 8, 2004! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:18:10 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni at the Jene Autry Museum (A request) Here's the set list. The show is readily available at our DC++ hub (jmdl.no-ip.info:411) from me and from others: The Gene Autry Museum Refuge Of The Roads (Joni Tells A Story) Sex Kills Moon At The Window Night Ride Home Love's Cries Yvette In English Cherokee Louise Sunny Sunday Hejira Just Like This Train Happiness Is The Best Facelift Song For Sharon Notes: Location: The Wells Fargo Theater At The Gene Autry Museum, Los Angeles, CA, USA. Date: January 26th, 1995. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Nuriel Tobias Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 9:06 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni at the Jene Autry Museum (A request) Could anyone please tell me what songs Joni sang in her live show at the Jene Autry Museum and how much do i need to pay anyone who's willing to send it to me for free:)? Thanks, Nuriel Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 09:53:38 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: drugs, njc I'm wondering how many people are on anti depressant type drugs. . in our society. I know there is a time a place for them. some people really benefit from them. (My mom, being one). . but I feel they are over prescribed. How many people in the US are on them as compared to other countries? I wonder. I don't really have an idea, but if I were to give an uneducated guess, I would say that 30% of people in the US are on drugs like paxol, (and the rest). and something about this is scary to me. . like, there is a REASON why so many people are depressed. . so let's get to the heart of it. (and again, some have organic reasons, I know). . but, instead of looking at the larger problems of lifestyle, values, etc. we are medicating ourselves. There is growth and learning in suffering. ******Yet, ONCE IN A WHILE I think it is beneficial to take one of these kind of drugs to help you through a very difficult time. (I think we had this discussion once before). Marianne >Catherine wrote: >Still, I think that we are an overmedicated >society. Laura: >We are a druggy society both legally and illegally. Yes, it does seem >like our lifestyle has contributed to a need to be medicated just to be >"normal." _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 10:13:26 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni at the Jene Autry Museum (A request) And may I add one of Joni's best. A must have concert! Jerry > Here's the set list. The show is readily available at our DC++ hub > (jmdl.no-ip.info:411) from me and from others: > > > The Gene Autry Museum > > Refuge Of The Roads > (Joni Tells A Story) > Sex Kills > Moon At The Window > Night Ride Home > Love's Cries > Yvette In English > Cherokee Louise > Sunny Sunday > Hejira > Just Like This Train > Happiness Is The Best Facelift > Song For Sharon > > Notes: > Location: The Wells Fargo Theater At The Gene Autry Museum, Los Angeles, CA, > USA. > Date: January 26th, 1995. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Nuriel > Tobias > Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 9:06 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Joni at the Jene Autry Museum (A request) > > Could anyone please tell me what songs Joni sang in her live show at the > Jene Autry Museum and how much do i need to pay anyone who's willing to send > it to me for free:)? > > Thanks, > > Nuriel > Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:12:51 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: gimme drugs, njc Em wrote: And it would have to be very mild - as I can't stand to smoke. Maybe they could produce a "tea" for the non-smokers? Pipe dreams, all. Hi Em! THC Tea leaf prophecy, drink it and dream... Or a pill perhaps? I would prefer it in carob brownies though or other foods. Baker's pot, in the baking section of the grocery store... Pot pies in the frozen foods. Weed gum, and little green gummy bears. Lollipots for big kids. Red buckeyes from our dearest Republican JMDLer... The possibilities seem endless. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 07:42:13 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: drugs, njc - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > and something about this is scary to me. . like, > there is a REASON why so many people are depressed. . so let's get to > the > heart of it. I'm trying like hell never to have to take anti-deps anymore. Have done it at 2 diff periods of my life and a. it didn't really work b. the side effects were in and of themselves depressing and c. both ended with near violent episodes, which is NOT what I want...no no no no nooooooooo. So I try to do stuff I know will help my head. One of these is making sure the rest of my bod is fairly healthy/happy. Like exercising - at least a bit. But its hard cuz I'm lazy. But I know, deep in my heart that this is the answer to a huge portion of the prob. Also not eating stuff I know is real unhealthy and has tons of weird chemicals in it. Like I try not to EVER eat a whole bag of Cheetos, cuz down the line, it will make me unhappy, even tho the chemicals in it (MSG?) trick my tongue and my lips into thinking its delicious. I think throughout history some of the people have been depressed; its just now there is a sensitivity to it as a condition or disease or whatever you want to call it. Whereas before people were just admonished to perk up! or chin up! or told they were lazy or whatever. Although I'm thankful for the medical research thats been done into depression as an illness, I want very much to reject the drugs. I'd rather be a bit crazy (as long as I can) than sedated or altered. Got a bit of the Cuckoo's Nest fear going on. NOT knocking it for other folks tho. So thats my .02. Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:56:43 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: RE: Cholesterol remedies - NJC - -- "Bree Mcdonough" wrote: So now I can have two pieces of cinnamon toast every morning Ruth..is that what you are telling me? I love cinnamon!! (Tomorrow morning..Cinnamon in my OJ) As far as these evil pharmaceutical companies ..you know many people owe their very breath to these evil doers. I think I read that from the time of the drug going from the petri dish to the market it costs about 100 million dollars for that pharmaceutical company. They have to regain their money. And then you have stockholders... on and on. Bree *********************************************************************** Personally, I just divested what was in a Healthcare mutual fund, because I think the drug companies are just legalized pushers. There are other health disciplines in the world that emphasize treatments besides "cut and drug." But to each his or her own ... Ruth P.S. Cinnamon coffee is great - just add about 1/4 tsp to a cup of fresh brewed coffee. It is also good mixed into chocolate ice cream!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:59:04 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: fred simon NJC I am listening to Fred Simon's new CD 'Remembering the River'. Magnificent. Fred, you should be proud of this piece of work. Could you tell me the significance, if any, of track 11, entitled WWJTD. Thanks for the music, which was much easier to find on Promusica than at CD Baby, and arrived here in Spain in less than a week. mike in barcelona ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:02:37 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: drugs, njc Maritokeranne wrote: I'm wondering how many people are on anti depressant type drugs. . in our society. In the ELDERLY with RACE taken into account: Am J Psychiatry. 2000 Jul;157(7):1089-94. Marked differences in antidepressant use by race in an elderly community sample: 1986-1996. Blazer DG, Hybels CF, Simonsick EM, Hanlon JT. Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Duke University Medical Center, Durham, NC 27710, USA. blaze001@mc.duke.edu OBJECTIVE: Prescriptions of antidepressant medications have increased significantly over the past 15 years across the life cycle. One overall correlate of medication use in older adults is race, with African Americans using fewer medications than whites. Given the frequency of depressive symptoms among elderly populations, as well as the increased potential for adverse side effects from antidepressants, the relative contribution of race in the use of antidepressants is critical for determining well-designed studies. The authors analyzed data from a community-based cohort of elders followed for 10 years to determine the association of race to the use of antidepressants between 1986 and 1996, with control for known correlates of depression in late life. METHOD: Information on antidepressant use and demographic and health characteristics were obtained from a stratified, probability-based sample of 4,162 elders (equally distributed between African American and white community-dwelling subjects) in the Piedmont region of North Carolina during four in-person interviews spanning 10 years. Descriptive statistics were calculated. Logistic regression was used for the final models. RESULTS: A total of 4.6% of whites and 2.3% of African Americans used antidepressants in 1986. Approximately 14.3% of whites and 5.0% of African Americans used antidepressants in 1996. In controlled analyses, the prevalence odds ratio for antidepressant use in whites, compared to African Americans, was 1. 76 in 1986 and 3.77 in 1996. CONCLUSIONS: African American elders are much less likely to take antidepressants, and the difference in use increased over the 10 years of the survey. PMID: 10873916 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] AND in YOUTH: A study conducted by Medco Health Solutions found that the number of children and adolescents who are prescribed antidepressants is down from nearly 120,000 in 2002 to just more than 80,000 in 2004, reported The New York Times on Sept. 21. The change constitutes roughly a 30 percent drop in two years. AND GEOGRAPHICALLY in the USA: Antidepressant drugs are prescribed in Utah more often than in any other state, at a rate nearly twice the national average. Utah's high usage was cited by one of the study's authors as the most surprising finding to emerge from the data. The study (a tabulation of prescription orders) was released last summer and updated in January (2002). The study was conducted by Express Scripts Inc., a St. Louis-based pharmacy benefits management company, which tracked prescriptions of 24 drug types in about 2 million people selected at random from its 48 million members. Those studied were enrolled in privately managed health-care programs, and the information gleaned from the study is intended for use by HMOs. Medicare and Medicaid recipients were not included in the study. Other states with high antidepressant use were Maine and Oregon. Utah's rate of antidepressant use was twice the rate of California and nearly three times the rates in New York and New Jersey, the study showed. AND in CHILDREN: Preschoolers Lead Growth of Antidepressant Use from Express Scripts News Release Use Among Girls Age 0-5 Doubles The use of paroxetine and other antidepressant medications continues to grow by about 10 percent annually among children and adolescents, according to a study published in the April 2004 issue of Psychiatric Services. The study profiles trends of prescription antidepressant use in children and adolescents using prescription claim information from a random, nationwide sample. The study by Express Scripts examined antidepressant use among approximately two million commercially-insured, pediatric beneficiaries 18 years and younger from 1998 to 2002. The fastest growing segment of users were found to be preschoolers aged 0-5 years, with use among girls doubling and use among boys growing by 64 percent. For the entire sample, antidepressant use increased from 1.6 percent in 1998 to 2.4 percent in 2002, a 49 percent increase. Over the course of the study, the growth in use was greater among girls (68 percent) than boys (34 percent) and, for each gender respectively, growth was higher among younger boys and older girls. "A number of factors acting together or independently may have led to escalated use of antidepressants among children and adolescents," said Tom Delate, Ph.D., Director of Research at Express Scripts. "These factors include increasing rates of depression in successive age groups, a growing awareness of and screening for depression by pediatricians and assumptions that the effectiveness experienced by adults using antidepressant medications will translate to children and adolescents." Throughout the five-year period of the study, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRI's) were the most commonly dispensed antidepressants, while tetracyclics were the least. SSRI's include paroxetine (also known as Paxil), Prozac and Zoloft. Use of paroxetine increased 113 percent and 91 percent in females and males, respectively, over the study period. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has recommended that paroxetine not be used in children and adolescents because, among youths, its efficacy has not been established for depression and its use is associated with increased risk of suicidal thinking and suicide attempts. Of the SSRIs, only Prozac has been approved by the FDA for treating depression in children and adolescents. "There are two differing but not mutually exclusive viewpoints on the increased use of antidepressants in children and adolescents," said Delate. "One is the concern that antidepressants are being prescribed to youths without adequate information about their safety and efficacy in this population. The second is the presumption that advocacy work to identify and treat depression among children and adolescents has begun to pay off. We realize that the use of antidepressants among youths is a critical issue that requires additional research to better understand." AND in ADULTS: Antidepressant Use By U.S. Adults Soars Cost and Risk Questions Mount in Face Of Overall Surge in Prescription Drugs By Shankar Vedantam Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, December 3, 2004; Page A15 One in 10 American women takes an antidepressant drug such as Prozac, Paxil or Zoloft, and the use of such drugs by all adults has nearly tripled in the last decade, according to the latest figures on American health released yesterday by the federal government. Those numbers are among a broad array of changes in health and health care use in the United States identified in the report. It confirmed that prescription drug costs are soaring faster than any other area of medical care as ever-increasing numbers of Americans take drugs for psychiatric conditions, to lower their cholesterol, to control asthma and for a wide range of other reasons. In 2002, the latest year for which data were available, the total tab for health care soared to $1.6 trillion -- of which prescription drugs accounted for $162 billion, the report found. Drug costs rose by 15 percent over the year before, driven by a combination of more expensive medicines and increased use. The report comes at a time when questions are growing about the costs and safety of many prescription drugs. The Food and Drug Administration recently concluded that antidepressants can increase the risk of suicidal behavior among children, and the manufacturer of Vioxx abruptly recalled the popular painkiller for safety reasons. A senior FDA official testified in Congress last month that he believes five other approved drugs are dangerous and should be taken off the market. Antidepressant drugs called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) showed some of the largest increases in use, the report said. By 2000, the proportion of adults using such drugs had nearly tripled, compared with the data set that ended in 1994. In 2002, more than one in three doctor's office visits by women involved a prescription for an antidepressant, said Amy Bernstein, project director for the report issued by the Center for Mental Health Services of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "It gives you an idea of what is happening during these visits," said Bernstein, who explained that the statistic included patients already on the drugs and those getting a new prescription. The number of children getting psychiatric drugs also soared. In 2002, about 6 percent of all boys and girls were taking antidepressants, triple the rate in the period 1994-96. And about 14 percent of boys -- nearly one in seven -- were on stimulant drugs in 2002, double the number in 1994-96, the report found. Stimulant drugs are usually used to treat attention deficit disorder. The number of adults taking cholesterol-lowering statin drugs nearly quadrupled from 1995-96 to 2001-02, the report found. Overall, 44 percent of all Americans, including children, were taking at least one prescription drug in 1999-2000, a statistically significant 5 percent increase since 1994. The proportion taking three or more prescription drugs increased from 12 to 17 percent during that same time, Bernstein said. "Factors affecting the recent increase in utilization of medications include the growth of third-party insurance coverage for drugs, the availability of successful new drugs, marketing to physicians and increasingly directly to consumers, and clinical guidelines recommending increased utilization of medications for conditions such as high cholesterol, acid-reflux disease, and asthma," the report concluded. Julie Zito, a pharmaco-epidemiologist at the University of Maryland at Baltimore, said it is difficult to characterize as good or bad the increased use of drugs without studies that ask how people are faring as a result. "As the numbers keep growing year after year after year, and larger proportions of the population appear to be suffering from conditions or getting treatments they may or may not be benefiting from, that would be an argument to follow large cohorts of patients in community studies to assess effectiveness and safety," she said. The drug industry's umbrella trade group said the increased use of medications is a good thing. "We have more medicines and better medicines for more diseases, and patients are being more effectively treated," said Jeff Trewhitt, a spokesman for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America. "They are living longer largely because of new treatments, and that is good news." Trewhitt said there are numerous examples of how increased use of drugs -- such as cholesterol-lowering statins -- reduce overall health care costs by controlling heart disease and reducing more expensive hospitalizations. On the increase in antidepressant use, Trewhitt said, "I don't know how to read that. We just don't have any information -- it's not something we have studied." FOR TABLES SEE: Use of Antidepressants Triples Since 1988; Report Includes 153 Trend Tables: Health, United States, 2004: With Chartbook on Trends in the Health of Americans http://www.swem.wm.edu/GOVDOC/govinfo.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:37:07 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Gene Autrey Show Nuriel & others interested in this show. If you are into BitTorrent trading, I have just upped this show at EZT: http://www.easytree.org/torrents-details.php?id=17237 Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:58:58 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: gimme drugs, njc no darling. since 2003! > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Smurfycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Martes, 07 de Diciembre de 2004 10:28 a.m. > Para: LCStanley7@aol.com; anima_rising@yahoo.ca > CC: joni@smoe.org; tantra@lhasaapso.name; treegreen1@hotmail.com > Asunto: Re: gimme drugs, njc > > > > > --Smurf, tobaccoless since December 8, 2004! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:20:58 -0500 From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: RE: gimme drugs, njc About my claim to have been tobacco-free since December 8, 2004, *W* writes: << no darling. since 2003! >> Thanks, Wally! - --Smurf, stupid since the 1900s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 11:54:29 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: NJC-The Circle Game and Urge for Going - funeral songs Dear Mia, I have to echo Catherine here, that part made me smile as well and the rewritten verses made me cry. I am sorry for your loss, but thank you for sharing this story with us. db >>> Catherine McKay 12/7/2004 5:53:36 AM >>> --- mia ortlieb wrote: > Last weekend was my grandpa's funeral. We > celebrated his wonderful life > with music. Mia, I'm sorry to heard of your grandpa's passing, but what a sweet and touching story. It's easy to see where you got your love of music. I especially loved this part: > He used to tape record > himself singing, with his tight-lipped German accent > and Mario Lanza type > voice, then play it back and harmonize with himself. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:01:31 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: RE: gimme drugs, njc Congratulations Smurphy you go boy!! db >>> "Wally Kairuz" 12/7/2004 10:58:58 AM >>> no darling. since 2003! > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Smurfycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Martes, 07 de Diciembre de 2004 10:28 a.m. > Para: LCStanley7@aol.com; anima_rising@yahoo.ca > CC: joni@smoe.org; tantra@lhasaapso.name; treegreen1@hotmail.com > Asunto: Re: gimme drugs, njc > > > > > --Smurf, tobaccoless since December 8, 2004! This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:07:56 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: David Lahm - NJC For you lucky New Yorkers: Dorothy Fields' Son and Daughter-in-Law Talk About Mom on Dec. 9 By Robert Simonson December 2, 2004 The New York Public Library for the Performing Arts' continues its centennial tribute to lyricist-librettist Dorothy Fields at 6 PM Dec. 9 with "With Each Word Your Tenderness Grows: The Life and Lyrics of Dorothy Fields", an evening of songs, reminiscences, anecdotes presented by Fields's son, David Lahm, and his wife, Judy Kreston.The event will take place at the Bruno Walter Auditorium at The New York Public Library for the Performing Arts, 111 Amsterdam Avenue (between 64th and 65th streets). Admission is free on a first-come, first-served basis. Dorothy Fields (1905-1974) penned such songs as 3I Can9t Give You Anything But Love,2 3I9m in the Mood for Love,2 3Big Spender,2 3On the Sunny Side of the Street,2 3A Fine Romance,2 3If My Friends Could See Me Now, 2 3I Won9t Dance2 and 3The Way You Look Tonight.2 Her collaborators included Jimmy McHugh, Oscar Levant, Jerome Kern, Arthur Schwartz, Harry Warren, Harold Arlen, Cy Coleman, and Quincy Jones. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:51:32 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Another Dr Joan song Grammy Winner! http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/music/sns-grammys-nominees,0,150036.story?coll=ny-homepage-promo Complete list of winners and nominees in 105 categories for the 46th annual Grammy Awards: Instrumental arrangement accompanying vocalist(s): "Armando's Rhumba," Chick Corea, arranger (Chick Corea and Bobby McFerrin), from "Rendezvous in New York"; "Chega De Saudade," Jorge Calandrelli, arranger (Yo-Yo Ma and Rosa Passos), from "Obrigado Brazil"; "Comes Love," Gordon Goodwin, arranger (Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band featuring Brian McKnight and Take 6)"; "In the Bleak Midwinter," John Patitucci, arranger (John Patitucci), from "Songs, Stories and Spirituals"; WINNER: "Woodstock," Vince Mendoza, arranger (Joni Mitchell), from "Travelogue." What a nice Hanukkah present!! Happy Hanukkah everyone. Brian np: NPR (so what else is new?) ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:15:48 -0800 (PST) From: hell Subject: Julia Roberts sings Joni A strange subject, I know, but I saw this in the NZ Herald today: Julia Roberts' twins had unborn melody 06.12.04 Julia Roberts' new twins, Hazel and Phinnaeus, may wail at times, but their taste in music is sure to be mellow. The Pretty Woman star relaxed during her pregnancy by singing Joni Mitchell and Dave Matthews songs to her unborn babes. And when she wasn't crooning to the twins, Roberts says, she was eating "nearly without pause" and revelling in household chores, including scrubbing the toilets - until her "enormous" tummy made it difficult to kneel. "I'm an old lady," Roberts said a few days before giving birth. "I don't need to seem cool and interesting and crazy and on the edge." Hell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:27:34 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: gimme drugs, njc --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > Pot pies in > the frozen foods. Chicken pot pie! I do prefer the idea of smokeless weed. I don't know what the governments are waiting for. Imagine all the lovely tax money they could make while everyone's getting stoned. I'd love to be in on the marketing for that - imagine the brainstorming sessions! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:27:12 -0500 From: faucet@pipeline.com Subject: Re: The Circle Game and Urge for Going - funeral songs I always loved hearing "Songs To Aging Children Come" in the funeral scene in the film of Alice's Restaurant. Too bad it wasn't Join herself. > : Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:05:27 -0600 > From: "mia ortlieb" > Subject: The Circle Game and Urge for Going - funeral songs > Nicholas Hill faucet@pipeline.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 01:22:55 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: fred simon NJC "mike pritchard" ink08@hotmail wrote: >>I am listening to Fred Simon's new CD 'Remember the River'. Magnificent. >>Fred, you should be proud of this piece of work. Could you tell me the >>significance, if any, of track 11, entitled WWJTD. Thank you so much, Mike. I am indeed very proud of it. The significance of WWJTD ... it came to my attention through my teenaged niece that some young folks wear a bracelet or necklace that says WWJD, which stands for the question What Would Jesus Do? I'm not a religious person, or, rather, I should say that I'm a devout musician, but it's always seemed to me that the core spirit of Jesus' teachings is absolutely right on. "What would Jesus do?" is a question I wish a lot more people (like pretty much the entire Bush administration, for instance) would ask themselves and truthfully answer. Anyway, since I long ago accepted James Taylor as my personal savior, and as the song, to me, is reminiscent of JT's music ... WWJTD. >>Thanks for the music, which was much easier to find on Promusicaaudio.com than at CD >>Baby, and arrived here in Spain in less than a week. You're more than welcome. It may not be up on CD Baby yet ... did you actually find it there? But I'm curious ... since you're in Spain, wouldn't it have been cheaper for you to buy it in Euros from the naim-audio.com site in England? Or has the US dollar fallen so low that it's even cheaper to buy it in the US? Then again, as an economist I'm a pretty good musician. In any case, thanks so much for your hearty endorsement. All best, Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:48:29 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: crafts? njc Colin wrote: > I was wondering how many jmdlers do some form of craft like knitting, > crochet, woodturning, sewing, metalwork-whatever, as a hobby or a > business? I guess I do a few of these things - painting, drawing, sculpture, cross-stitch, knitting, sewing, carpentry, furniture restoration, bone-carving, etc. (and I have examples on my website, for anyone interested). Not to make money though, but as hobbies. I'm "making" all my Xmas presents this year too - much easier on the wallet, which is rather bare right now! I'm also thinking about trying to sell some of my sculptures, but not quite sure where to begin just yet.... Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:08:08 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Narrator Bob wrote: "NP: Stevie, "Visions" (which brings up another question...is there anyone, anyone that doesn't love Stevie Wonder? He may be the ONLY artist who is revered by everybody. And of course I'm not talking about everything he's done because some of it is subpar, but I mean the core of his work, his 70's stuff and that basic melodic soul-funk groove he can just melt you with...There are lots of folks who can't take anything by Joni, but those same people would be up and groovin' to Superstition or singing along to any number of his songs. )" I'm not sure if I should say this on this list, but count me as a non-Stevie Wonder fan. Maybe I haven't been exposed to his "good" music? Just the cheesy stuff that gets played over and over again on commercial radio - or at least, used to be played in my younger days. If I never hear "I Just Called To Say I Love You" again, I wouldn't be unhappy about it! There's just something about his voice that really grates on me... Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #485 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)