From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #484 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 7 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 484 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- acid booze & grass lots of laughs, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: How do you buy good music- cheaply? NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Nilsson, Rufus, birthdaze... NJC ["Donna ] december 6 national day of remembrance and action on violence against women SJC [mags h ] Re: acid booze & grass lots of laughs, njc ["mariodet\@libero\.it" ] Re: How do you buy good music- cheaply? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: River Alert! SJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: How do you buy good music- cheaply? NJC ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: gimme drugs, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: gimme drugs, njc [colin ] Another Joni Re-Release on DVD [Gary Zack ] Re: How do you buy good music- cheaply? NJC [Catherine McKay ] Half.com : One Deal Gone Bad, njc [] The Circle Game and Urge for Going - funeral songs ["mia ortlieb" Subject: acid booze & grass lots of laughs, njc >But I figure the international pharmaceutical >industry is just the mob in fancy suits. >Catherine That sounds about right. _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 05:20:42 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: How do you buy good music- cheaply? NJC Hi Lama I try to buy used stuff through amazon.com. Sometimes I get stuff really cheap like $3 each for a couple of Joni CD's recently, then of course there's shipping - so I think I get stuff for like $6 total sometimes. But its hit or miss - and its used. I'm finding it hard to have extra $$ for music. Makes me homesick for the days right after college when I still lived at home, and I could take my entire paycheck and spend it on records. :) Em - --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Inspired by all this talk about Nilsson, I tried to see if I could > get 4/$24 from Columbia House or that BMG record club. No deal. > They don't have any Beatles either, of course. > > So, how come this question has never come up on the world's greatest > Music list: > > How do you buy good music cheaply? > > Lama > > PS, I thought having "A list" friends would do it, but noooo... > > PPSS, Julie, are you lurking? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:20:06 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: How do you buy good music- cheaply? NJC > Inspired by all this talk about Nilsson, I tried to see if I could get 4/$24 > from Columbia House or that BMG record club. No deal. They don't have any > Beatles either, of course. > > So, how come this question has never come up on the world's greatest Music > list: > > How do you buy good music cheaply? > > Lama > > PS, I thought having "A list" friends would do it, but noooo... > > PPSS, Julie, are you lurking? > There are any number of good used cd and vinyl sites. Check their ratings. There is always Ebay. I buy them and if I like the music I download it to a big hard drive and sell it back. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 08:50:25 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: River Alert! SJC Hey Bob, On Thursday, Jeff and I went to one of our favorite eating and watering holes, only to hear a version of River during dinner. The woman had an alright voice- though she mimicked Joni note for note. So did the string orchestra, which played an arrangement that sounded like Joni's piano playing - note for note. When asked, the waiter said that they had on a satellite radio station on. Have you any idea who this might be? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:53:21 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Subject: The Point, Nilsson, Rufus, birthdaze... NJC The "secondary" tracks have always been my faves too Em. And BTW I also love John Prine, Bob and I did one of his last year at Jonifest. db >>> Em 12/3/2004 7:20:16 PM >>> you know whats weird?? the secondary tracks are my faves, somehow! but nah the primammaries are mother's milk too. err, primaries... So, 'let it be Naked"..umm must I have it? or? does it make the whole thing even better? or is the regular one best still? :) Em NP John Prine "Dear Abby" - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **Bob do you like the whole "Let It Be" album? I do.** > > What's not to like?? I think it's incredible. Let's just take a > moment and > look at the tracks: > > -You've got some bona fide classics: > Across The Universe > Let It Be > The Long And Winding Road > Get Back > > -Some excellent secondaries: > Two Of Us > Dig A Pony > I've Got A Feeling > > Hell, that's 7 tracks right there that any band would KILL for. And > all 7 of > them are on ONE record! And it was sort of a THROWAWAY for The > Beatles! This > is why it's not really fair to compare The Fab Four with ANYONE. > They're in > a class by themselves. > > > Weren't they gonna come out with a new version of that > album or something? Outtakes or remixed or something. > > "Let It Be Naked" which came out while you were sleeping, last > November. :~) > I bought it the day it came out, the most striking difference is the > removal > of Spector's strings from Long & Winding Road. But you would > probably notice > a lot more differences. > > > **Also "Midnight Cowboy" has been what I've always thought of as one > of > say my top 5 movies, but I think I stopped with that once I realized > it > left me emotionally destroyed everytime I watched it.** > > > > Gawd, me too - I know what happens at the end & I turn to a > quivering blob > of jelly-like goo everytime. I'm riveted by it. And like you say, > drained & > destroyed. Smurfy, what say you? > > Bob > > NP: Lucinda Williams, "Essence" > ===== amazing grace - sit on my face This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 07:45:14 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: december 6 national day of remembrance and action on violence against women SJC Many artists, writers, song writers rise up and effect change by utilising the vehicle of their talent to raise awareness of the continuing existence of violence against women and children in their every day lives. I believe that Joni Mitchell has done so in songs such as Not To Blame, Magdalene Laundries, and even in the songs that she alludes to her Kelly Green. While not as blatant as being hit, screamed at, terrorized, frightened to be in her own home, a young woman, in the blink of an eye, becomes labeled jezebel, an unwed mother is suddenly, strategically placed between a rock and a hard place, a woman who is marginalized, shamed, blamed because she conceived a child out of wedlock can be included as a victim of violence. A woman does not have to be hit to live in fear of the possibility. Violence takes place when and where you least expect it. Violence can silence us and often does. je me souviens. i remember. au Canada, today, december 6 is the national day of remembrance and action on violence against women it is a time... to reflect on violence against women here in Canada and around the world to think about all the girls and women who live daily with the threat of violence to remember those whose lives have been affected by violence to take action to stop it. http://www.swc-cfc.gc.ca status of women of canada. Please also have a look at Amnesty International Website, Stolen Sisters, Discrimination and Violence Against Indigenous Women in Canada, a summary of Amnesty International's Concerns. http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGAMR200012004 ***** Today we gathered together inside the Manitoba Legislature Building to reflect, to think, to remember all the women and children whose lives have been affected by violence. the ceremony began at sunrise on this wintry winnipeg morning, as a signifier of hope that violence will stop in our life time. as long as our voices rise each day,like the radiating warmth of the sun i speak with hope that someone will listen, someone will think, and maybe even think twice. someone may look at their own reflection in the mirror and work to effect change within themselves, as well as in every daily lives. one voice leads to another. notes from the programme which was handed out, along with memorial buttons and a beautiful little cluster of multi coloured ribbons in a circle, on a pin, and then streams of colours hanging down, blowing in the wintry wind, in rememberance, in recognition that all nations can gather together to effect change in this world. Every single voice counts. programme: Sunrise Memorial December 6th * Manitoba Legislative Building to remember the 14 women killed in Montreal on December 6, 1989, as well as all women affected by violence and to commemorate Canada's Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women. programme: Aboriginal Drumming and Song Welcome/Opening Remarks Crystal Laborero Chairperson, Manitoba Women's Advisory Council Guest Speaker Honourable Nancy Allan Minister responsible for the Status of Women Acknowledgment Mother of Red Nations Women's Council of Manitoba of Missing Aboriginal Women in Manitoba Moment of Silenc Aboriginal Drumming and Song ***** We remember the young aboriginal women whose voices have been silenced for all time because they were shamelessly murdered. Helen Betty Osborne , 19 year old Cree woman, Felicia Solomon, cousin of Helen Betty Osborne countless women, whose names, like steam, have yet to rise to the surface je me souviens Today we remember the tragic loss of the 14 women murdered on December 6th, 1989 at L'Ecole Polytechnique, because they were women attending an engineering school. Genevieve Bergeron Nathalie Croteau Anne-Marie Edward Barbara Marie Klucznik Maryse Leclair Sonia Pelletier Annie St-Arneault Helene Colgan Barbara Daigneault Maud Haviernick Mayse Laganiere Anne-Marie Lemay Mechele Richard Annie Turncotte Violence against women happens. Despite, still, yet. Within the confines of all socioeconomic levels on our planet. It is important to listen to the voices of women, passed, present and future. The personal IS political. Let us remember.... our grandmothers, mothers, daughters, aunts, sisters, cousins, friends on this and every day . If you feel that this post has no place on the jmdl, please take a moment to reflect, think, remember. If you are in a position of privilege, use your voice to help us effect change . Today. Every day. je me souviens.... i remember @---->----->------- a red rose, a signifier of remembrance. Mags np: the sound of snow falling - ----- what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? - ----- Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:47:15 -0500 From: Subject: Re: How do you buy good music- cheaply? NJC What's this about ratings for used CD sites? Like Em, Amazon disappoints me as often as they come through. They claim to have stock, confirm the order, then I never hear from them again. Right now, I waiting for an overdue order that's been billed to my card. Fed up with Amazon, Lama > From: Jerry Notaro > There are any number of good used cd and vinyl sites. Check their ratings. > There is always Ebay. I buy them and if I like the music I download it to a > big hard drive and sell it back. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:48:03 +0100 From: "mariodet\@libero\.it" Subject: Re: acid booze & grass lots of laughs, njc For those interested in a balanced, scientific point of view on the issue, I would suggest the following article (Nature should be a reliable source, I hope). http://www.nature.com/news/2004/041129/full/041129-7.html So all the views we have read in this thread are correct: smoking pot can be dangerous to some people and definitely beneficial to others. I agree that legalization is the only way. I lived in Amsterdam for 6 months, and sometimes smoked (legal) stuff without any problem. Yes, moderation is the key! All the best, Mario the Italian NP: Oregon, I'll remember August (from Live at Yoshi's) > > Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 17:34:01 -0500 (EST) > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: Re: acid booze & grass lots of laughs, njc > > --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > > I am in favor marijuana legalization. > > > > Cigarettes and alcohol are potentially much worse > > than marijuana, in my > > opinion. > > > > > > I think all drugs should be legalized. > > This would eliminate all the illegal activity > > associated with it. > > > > Moderation is the key. .. ____________________________________________________________ Libero ADSL: 3 mesi gratis e navighi a 1.2 Mega, senza costi di attivazione. Abbonati subito su http://www.libero.it ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:43:28 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Barangrill or Terrapin Station? FTR is proving to be THE BEST thing to listen to while going on my 2 miles walks. Its like I DON'T want to go...but I go...and Banquet is the perfect "lot in life" tune to begin with. Then by the end of it just a touch of endorphin *might* be going and CBSASF gets me all jiggy. What is it about a song with such a seemingl dismal topic that can be so worthy of making you "want it". (the song and its rhythm that is) So then I settle soon into Barangrill and as always wonder where and what it is..kinda like I do w/ Terrapin Station. (Dead or preferrably Hunter's version) But I guess Terrapin was long ago and Barangrill is more here and now, right? Anyway, since I had Joni-thoughts, I thought I'd share them. I'm at that real golden place with FTR where I kinda know it and have a clue about the songs - but there is also still all this sweet mystery to them. :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:55:07 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: How do you buy good music- cheaply? NJC I've been burned by Amazon too, buying used stuff - buying new is never a problem. Typically what I do is buy my stuff locally, burn a copy to keep (assuming I like it which I usually do) and then sell the original on ebay, typically for at least what I paid for it & sometimes more. I bought U2's latest for $9.99 and sold it for $9.60 (plus about .50 in fees). Sometimes I luck out...with kd lang's CD two people got into a bidding war and I got $22.00 for it! Of course, you don't have the liner notes anymore but hell I can barely read those things anyway - I'm only too glad to give up the cumbersome jewel box. Bob NP: Ani, "School Night" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:00:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: River Alert! SJC **Have you any idea who this might be? Really a tough call without hearing it - of the 78 or so River's I've got, most of them are pretty true to Joni's. Maybe it's this new one from Allison Crowe which seems to be getting airplay. Speaking of Joni on the satellite radio, yesterday at the gym Deep Tracks/ XM40 played "People's Parties/Same Situation" while I was there. Very cool, especially when Dan, the guy who runs the gym and is a good music pal as well; says "Man, I love her voice". Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Whistle Down The Wind (For Tom Jans) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:24:42 -0600 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: How do you buy good music- cheaply? NJC <> ah, okay.... i have a vested interest in this particular topic, so here ya go - - i sell books and CDs on amazon, along with about 800,00 other folks. i'd like to think that i'm getting people the things that they want, and providing them my legwork while charging them a fair price. i ship people's orders often the very day that they place the order, and if not, the very next day that the post office is open. as with any free market enterprise, there are people who take advantage of the system, but i hate like hell that they're ruining it for the rest of us who are really trying to give people excellent customer service (and manage to make a few cents along the way). if you have a bad experience on amazon, on ebay, wherever.... GIVE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, REPORT THE SELLER, do whatever it takes to get 'em outta there. on amazon, there's a guarantee out there so that you don't get screwed - you get your money back and i think you get to keep the merchandise, as well. and when you shop, pay attention to seller feedback and don't make the same mistake that other people have made. people get crappy feedback for a reason. anyhow - just hoping that you guys won't throw the baby out with the bath water - i have a basement-full of good books and music to sell!! cindy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:41:12 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: How do you buy good music- cheaply? NJC Hi Cindy, I for one have had almost only very good experiences. Only once or twice places not informing me an item is "back ordered". (not sure how an out of print item is "back ordered") But mostly my experience has been, possibly, with folks like yourself who ship accurately and right away. When I said my experience was hit and miss I guess I meant as far as being able to *find* stuff. Not as far as the service, in general was concerned. I, for one, will most certainly (out of necessity pretty much) continue to buy used. Altho, if the price is very close - I'll go ahead and buy new, just to generate a royalty for the artist. For instance, Ms. Love, LAURA Love - I buy new. Stevie Wonder? yeah I'll go ahead and buy a used one, lol. So I for one appreciate the folks who make the used music thing possible. I think it a neat newish way to show capitalism being succesful. Isn't it nice that the music is not contraband??? DOES THAT NOT ROCK??????? :D Em - --- Cynthia Vickery wrote: > > < is never a problem.>> > > ah, okay.... > i have a vested interest in this particular topic, so here ya go > - > > i sell books and CDs on amazon, along with about 800,00 other > folks. > i'd like to think that i'm getting people the things that they > want, and providing them my legwork while charging them a fair > price. > i ship people's orders often the very day that they place the > order, and if not, the very next day that the post office is > open. > > as with any free market enterprise, there are people who take > advantage of the system, but i hate like hell that they're > ruining it for the rest of us who are really trying to give > people excellent customer service (and manage to make a few cents > along the way). if you have a bad experience on amazon, on ebay, > wherever.... GIVE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK, REPORT THE SELLER, do > whatever it takes to get 'em outta there. on amazon, there's a > guarantee out there so that you don't get screwed - you get your > money back and i think you get to keep the merchandise, as well. > > and when you shop, pay attention to seller feedback and don't > make the same mistake that other people have made. people get > crappy feedback for a reason. > > anyhow - just hoping that you guys won't throw the baby out with > the bath water - i have a basement-full of good books and music > to sell!! > > cindy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:51:14 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: gimme drugs, njc A marijuana head wrote: I think all drugs should be legalized. This would eliminate all the illegal activity associated with it. People should make up their own mind about what drugs they take. . As the saying goes: "a mind is a terrible thing to waste;" or as Dan Quayle would say: "it's a terrible waste to lose your mind." As for people making up their own mind about what drugs they take, who needs to consult physicians and pharmacists anyway? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 02:19:14 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: gimme drugs, njc LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > >As for people making up their own mind about what drugs they take, who needs >to consult physicians and pharmacists anyway? > > > That is what i would like to know. Seriously. Over the years I have been given drugs that made me hallucinate, pass out, gave me symptoms of parkinsons, prevented me speaking or eating, caused heart problems, gave me vertigo, nausea, sweats, terrors, skin crawls, severe abdominal pain, liver problems, bowel problems, urinary problems, eye problems, headaches, balance problems, cognitive problems, confusion, sexual dysfunction, semen seepage(!!!). Now I am in quandary. I take Crestor. One lot of Dr's are now saying this should be taken off the market-it can kill and isn't as safe as other statins. It halved my cholestorol and tho I now walk with the aid of two walking sticks, it appears not to be affecting me, accortding to blood testes, kidneys and ck and liver are fine. The other lot of Dr's say this drug is good and safe and they haev the studies to support it. The anti dr's say they ahev studies to prove that it is bad. Then there are the dr's and scientists who say the whole cholesterol thing is a crock of shit anyway, a red herring, and only the drug companies benefit. DSo i am told high cholesterol will kill me and the Crestor will stop that. I am also told that the drug will kill me and high cholestrol is not a killer and that people with high cholestorl surivive longer. oh and now a new study for another drug I take, Atenolol,(beta blocker) says the drug is crap and no better than a placebo. And the anti inflammatories cause severe stomach probs, so bye bye to them. The codiene is addictive and needs more and more to work, so bye bye to them too. Steroids? You have to be kidding! And is anybody saying they can cure me? of course not. With one disease they don't even know what causes it and maybe I'll get more crippled or maybe not, that it will go away, or maybe not. In the meantime, try steroids, anit inflammatries, codiene and maybe even something stronger when you really can't walk. But don't ask us to tell you what is wrong or cure it. It's enough to make you want to die and get it over with instead of having your head spinning. One doesn't know who to believe or trust and each day becomes a battle to ignore the 'is this the day i die' script, or do i call the dr script becasue my chest and arms are hurting and i get all screwed up becasue I can't tell if this is my heart, the drugs, or my muscle disease, or my mind. So I sit there sweating, 'is it time to call the paramedics?' no, take the stomach meds, pian gone? No. take the gtn spray? Gone? no. Move. go upstairs, pain worse? yes. Short of breath? no. sweating? well yes. Now short of breath ? well, yes buyt now I am panicking. breathe deeply. can i? yes. okay so calm down. don't call the dr or the paramedics. Call them if you die. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:36:28 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Another Joni Re-Release on DVD As a dutiful Jonilist member, I find it important to note sightings of Joni's "new releases" although, unfortunately for most of us, they are not "new," and for those who don't have them, in this case, it's a good deal. Due for release according to Videoflicks.com on January 11, 2005 is "The Joni Mitchell Collector's Edition" DVD which is a two disc set featuring....uh..."Painting With Words And Music" and "Woman Of Heart And Mind." You can see it here: http://www.videoflicks.com/titles/1139/1139499.htm?SHOW=1&TYPE=3& ASSN=V00001&ESID=XUUVAXUTXAACVXCUKVUUUU Price: $21.23 Or you can just go to videoflicks. com and search Joni Mitchell. It looks like it's listed under "Painting With Words And Music/Woman Of Heart And Mind" as a separate entry as well. I'm hoping for a release of "Come In From The Cold" which I really like; and would love to see more early Joni; Those early performances are why I fell in love with her and her music, and always a lot of fun to see again. The helium Joni was all right in my book. ;-) Best regards, Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:24:42 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: How do you buy good music- cheaply? NJC --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Sometimes I luck > out...with kd lang's CD two people got into a > bidding war and I got $22.00 for > it! > How stupid are some people? That's more than you'd pay for it new! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:33:31 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: gimme drugs, njc Colin wrote: It's enough to make you want to die and get it over with instead of having your head spinning. One doesn't know who to believe or trust and each day becomes a battle to ignore the 'is this the day i die' script, Hi Colin, Your situation would make me want to smoke several cigar size joints and listen to American Pie with U2's Vertigo as a chaser until I passed out. And, when I would wake up the next day, I would listen to The Battle of Evermore, all the while praying to someday wake up to a Chelsea morning. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:40:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: gimme drugs, njc --- colin wrote: > LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > > > > >As for people making up their own mind about what > drugs they take, who needs > >to consult physicians and pharmacists anyway? > > > > > > > That is what i would like to know. Seriously. > > Over the years I have been given drugs that made me > hallucinate, pass > out, gave me symptoms of parkinsons, prevented me > speaking or eating, > caused heart problems, gave me vertigo, nausea, > sweats, terrors, skin > crawls, severe abdominal pain, liver problems, bowel > problems, urinary > problems, eye problems, headaches, balance problems, > cognitive problems, > confusion, sexual dysfunction, semen seepage(!!!). > > Now I am in quandary. I take Crestor. One lot of > Dr's are now saying > this should be taken off the market-it can kill and > isn't as safe as > other statins. It halved my cholestorol and tho I > now walk with the aid > of two walking sticks, it appears not to be > affecting me, accortding to > blood testes, kidneys and ck and liver are fine. The > other lot of Dr's > say this drug is good and safe and they haev the > studies to support it. > The anti dr's say they ahev studies to prove that it > is bad. Then there > are the dr's and scientists who say the whole > cholesterol thing is a > crock of shit anyway, a red herring, and only the > drug companies benefit. Colin, this is exactly what the Toronto Star had in its Saturday edition. Not that I would for one minute suggest that people drop whatever medication they're taking, but it always helps to know as much as possible about what you've been prescribed and often doctors don't tell you everything. Often they don't know everything themselves and many of them are inept at communicating in plain language. If you're interested, the story is still on their website and they do retain things for 7 days (and you don't need to give them an e-mail address either): http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1102027808591 ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:54:46 -0500 From: Subject: Half.com : One Deal Gone Bad, njc - ---- 3 weeks after I ordered a CD, they have already "hit" my credit card but they still don't have the CD in stock. Here's a timeline. ---- 11/15 I ordered a used CD. The vendor "showed" stock they didn't have. 11/16: Automated email shows Half's policies-- "We are writing to inform you that your recent order has been confirmed by the seller... Order to Ship By: 11/17/2004. You will be billed for this order within 24 hours." 11/22 They charged my credit card. They have my money. 11/24 I asked them when they shipped my CD. I got back what appears to be an automated reply which says in part "Order Status: Ship" Notice that it doesn't actually say it HAS been shipped. It doesn't say anything concrete at all. I asked for more info. 11/30, six days later, they replied with this: "We do not finalize credit card transactions until the product is shipped. At this time, the order is on backorder" They haven't shipped at all; in fact they still don't have the CD. They have my money yet they're saying they won't "finalize" the transaction until it is shipped. I asked for an immediate refund and asked them to cancel my order. I hope you guys have better luck. Last year when I tried to buy a 2 year-old CD from a local band; the vendor showed stock but it never came off "backorder". I also had a "free shipping" deal that went sour last year because they didn't actually have stock of the 2 items that qualified me for free shipping. Now that I add it up, I've had *one smooth transaction and *three hassles on Half.com. All the best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:05:27 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: The Circle Game and Urge for Going - funeral songs Last weekend was my grandpa's funeral. We celebrated his wonderful life with music. He was 94 years old, a pacifist that had emmigrated from the Austrian Alps where his love for music developed, and he loved to sing all sorts of German/Austrian tunes and, as a young man, would often hop the borders and sing for the Italians. As a young child, I remember being at my grandparent's house and everybody would sing and harmonize together. It was literally like being in "The Sound of Music" movie. In his twilight years, my mom took care of him in her home until he passed. He used to tape record himself singing, with his tight-lipped German accent and Mario Lanza type voice, then play it back and harmonize with himself. I'll really miss him. At the visitation, I played and sang "The Circle Game" in celebration of his life. I had no problem playing the guitar, but as soon as I started singing, my voice started quivering. I was like - this can't be! It's only family and friends here - what is going on? I thought it must be nerves, but afterwards people kept on coming up and telling me how sweet and emotional I sounded, that I made everybody cry. Okay, I'll go with that ;-) I invited all to sing the chorus, and I was surprised to hear how many actually knew the song and sang along! This really took the edge off! Also, my auntie Nancy rewrote and sang the last verse to make it relevant to my Grandpa's life and our lives as well: "So the years spin by, and the man's nearly five and ninety, but his dreams have lost no grandeur coming true, We'll have new dreams, never better dreams, and plenty before our last revolving year is through" At the church the next day, I played the guitar for "Urge for Going" while my auntie sang. She also rewrote the second verse: "I had my dad in summertime, with summer colored skin, And not another girl in town, my daddy's heart could win..." It was so sweet and fitting, considering he died when winter is actually closing in on us! Mia ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #484 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)