From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #483 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 6 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 483 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Bored with Christmas Carols? (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Live River ["Paul Castle" ] re: movies 60's, njc [Garret ] Nobel peace prize [Garret ] Joni Covers, Volume 59 - THE BEER CONSPIRACY! [Nuriel Tobias ] acid booze & grass lots of laughs, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: acid booze & grass lots of laughs, njc [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:39:46 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Bored with Christmas Carols? (NJC) Thought I was until I received a copy of 'December in Vermont' from Diane Zeigler a few days ago. http://www.dianezeigler.com Open-tuned guitar voicings breathe new life... etc (am I hearing a lot of DADGAD or similar?) and her voice always does it for me. Thanks for the original turn-on, Ashara & Anne PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:26:29 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Live River Couldn't help but be slightly disappointed to find this 'river' already Uncovered at jmdl.com >Reeves, Dianne, "The Best of Dianne Reeves", (Blue Note 35867), released in 2002 (from the In the Moment sessions: previously unreleased live version) as it completely blew me away early this morning 3am-ish driving back from Bristol to London on the lonesome M4 very best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:11:14 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: movies 60's, njc Clockwork orange... Good movie Great book GARRET NP- Neil Young, Expecting to Fly Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 04:18:24 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: movies 60's, njc Any Clockwork Orange fans out there? A masterpiece IMO, ageless description of man's lower instincts and incredible performance by Malcolm Mc Dowell. Laurent - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:16:20 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Nobel peace prize >Would you want to win a Nobel Peace Prize knowing that Kissinger >was a previous winner? Isn't there some huge cash prize connected to that? For literature it's well over half a million dollars i think, not sure how it works for peace prize. GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 08:04:42 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 59 - THE BEER CONSPIRACY! SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: '...and unveil a new collection of Joni covers in the greatest compilation series in Rock & Roll history (according to me).' Bob, Are you sure it's only according to you? No, really, cause if it IS the greatest compilation (of an artist's covers) series in Rock & Roll history, i see no reason why not to inform this to the Guinnes Book Of Records at once! I'm not kidding and no smilies on this post! It's about time that you, your amazing project, everyone who helped you, us all at the jmdl, and, need i say, Joni, would be officialy honoured by one of the best selling books ever! Plus, i think, The Guinnes rewards new records with some money... Anyone's objecting, friedns? Yours, Nuri Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:34:08 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Live River **Reeves, Dianne, "The Best of Dianne Reeves", (Blue Note 35867), released in 2002 (from the In the Moment sessions: previously unreleased live version)** Yes, that is a "blow away" recording, no doubt about it Paul - one of the best of the best. I was excited when that "Best Of" came out as it featured a live version which was a 'new' one since she had released a studio version only earlier. And like they, one good turn deserves another! Bob NP: The Wallflowers, "Three Marlenas" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:42:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni Covers, Volume 59 - THE BEER CONSPIRACY! NJC **cause if it IS the greatest compilation (of an artist's covers) series in Rock & Roll history, i see no reason why not to inform this to the Guinnes Book Of Records at once!** I certainly don't have any objections, though it's not anything that particularly I'm enthusiastic about - I'll only say that any monies that Guinness would donate go directly to Les for JMDL operations. Now if we're talking about the World's biggest ball of paint, then that's a different story: _http://ballofpaint.freehosting.net/_ (http://ballofpaint.freehosting.net/) Bob NP: Cheap Trick, "Surrender" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 10:11:37 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 59 - THE BEER CONSPIRACY! SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:**cause if it IS the greatest compilation (of an artist's covers) series in Rock & Roll history, i see no reason why not to inform this to the Guinnes Book Of Records at once!** "I certainly don't have any objections, though it's not anything that particularly I'm enthusiastic about" And why, if i may ask, aren't you? It's not like you're claiming a record for baring a child with 3 heads. It's Joni we're talking about, and imoh, this could be a fine tribute to her and one of the best "Joni mentions" ever. That book is so popular, particularly among the younger generation ALL OVER THE WORLD - why not spread the word in a way that is, basicly, fun? - and it's not only about freaks and people walking round the globe backwards - the ART/MUSIC related records section is really good as well as most of the other sections. If there's a "problem" with letting the world know about the compilations, i'll understand. And i respect your humility. But once you see your name and Joni's and maybe the jmdl in The Guinnes, i think you'd be pleased. We all would. For God sakes, Bob, it can be so cool! " - I'll only say that any monies that Guinness would donate go directly to Les for JMDL operations. I knew you'd do nothing other than that, that's why i didn't even speak of it. That's another good reason to go for it. Oy...I might as well talk to the hand. Won't be surprsied if you're np R. Lee's "It's more trouble than it's worth" lyric. Won't be too long before we all start painting... Anyway, Bob, it's up to you. I think (am not sure of it, but i think) that only you can apply for the record. But in case others can do it in your name, maybe someone should do so, cause i'm slowing down and getting tired. Nuri Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:10:08 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: njc How sweet, I am glad you two are getting along again. XOXOXO Marianne >Catherine writes: >>I'm so proud of you, Smurf. >> >Thanks, Catherine. This is probably a good time to tell you that sometimes, >when I am daydreaming of my Oscar acceptance speech, I make a point of >thanking you for all the chuckles you've given me over the years. >XO, >- --Smurf _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:20:07 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: acid booze & grass lots of laughs, njc I am in favor marijuana legalization. Cigarettes and alcohol are potentially much worse than marijuana, in my opinion. I think all drugs should be legalized. This would eliminate all the illegal activity associated with it. People should make up their own mind about what drugs they take. . I am not saying that everybody should do drugs. . . Moderation is the key. .. and I realize that moderation is not always possible. but let us be responsible for ourselves. . Do you think legalization it would lead to more drug use? I don't know, perhaps it would. I really don't know. Also, what you really have to worry about are "doctor's pills." Definitely legalizing marijuana is the way to go.. I find it O.D.D. (odd) that alcohol is legal and pot is not. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:21:30 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Pentagon Report confirms what so many of us have been saying NJC As far as I know this is being ignored in much of the media. This report was completed in September but not released until just now, conveniently after the elections. After so many innocent lives lost they now recommend the first step toward mitigating and eventually even reversing this situation is to better understand the values and worldwide view of the target audience itself This is the first step so many of us called for in the days following 9/11  before we invaded anywhere  at that time this viewpoint was criticized by supporters of the administration as being unpatriotic, naove or supporters of terrorism. The situation mentioned above is in contrast to the continual propaganda spouted by this administration as to what is happening in Afghanistan & Iraq. It is exactly what many people with knowledge of the middle east predicted would happen. There is no yearning-to-be-liberated-by-the-U.S. groundswell among Muslim societies  except to be liberated perhaps from what they see as apostate tyrannies that the U.S. so determinedly promotes and defends. the struggle for hearts and mindsAmerican efforts have not only failed in this respect they may also have achieved the opposite of what they intended. American direct intervention in the Muslim World has paradoxically elevated the stature of and support for radical Islamists, while diminishing support for the United States Muslims do not hate our freedom but rather hate our policies. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and longstanding, even increasing support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan, and the Gulf States. Thus when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self serving hypocrisy. Furthermore, in the eyes of Muslims, American occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq has not led to democracy there, but only more chaos and suffering. U.S. actions appear in contrast to be motivated by ulterior motives, and deliberately controlled in order to best serve American national interests at the expense of truly Muslim self-determination. Since 9/11American actions and the flow of events have elevated the authority of the jihadi insurgents and tended to ratify their legitimacy among Muslims. Fighting groups portray themselves as the true defenders of an Unmah (the entire Muslim community) invaded and under attack- to broad public support  http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/2004-09-Strategic_Communication.pdf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 17:17:58 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > How sweet, > I am glad you two are getting along again. > > XOXOXO > > Marianne > No, we're not. Contradictions? down the hall... > > >Catherine writes: > > >>I'm so proud of you, Smurf. > >> > > >Thanks, Catherine. This is probably a good time to > tell you that sometimes, > >when I am daydreaming of my Oscar acceptance > speech, I make a point of > >thanking you for all the chuckles you've given me > over the years. > > >XO, ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 17:34:01 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: acid booze & grass lots of laughs, njc --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > I am in favor marijuana legalization. > > Cigarettes and alcohol are potentially much worse > than marijuana, in my > opinion. > > > I think all drugs should be legalized. > This would eliminate all the illegal activity > associated with it. > > People should make up their own mind about what > drugs they take. . > > I am not saying that everybody should do drugs. . . > Moderation is the key. .. > > and I realize that moderation is not always > possible. > > but let us be responsible for ourselves. . > Do you think legalization it would lead to more drug > use? > I don't know, perhaps it would. I really don't > know. I never got into drugs. Smoked a joint twice only. Even inhaled. Nothing happened. Couldn't be bothered. Sharing with other people? Yuck, germs. Most of the people that I knew that smoked grass just acted kind of dopey and stupid. I never saw the point. Either that, or they were gigging insanely at things that weren't that funny. I don't have much patience with that. On the other hand, if, as you say, it's done in moderation, it doesn't strike me as terribly harmful for most people (apart from making them dopey and stupid and not very interesting). If it helps people cope with serious illness, as some say it does, then why not? Alcohol is likely much worse. There is nothing more boring than a drunk and nothing more dangerous than a drunk operating machinery (like cars). I used to be able to drink other people under the table but that was long ago when I was young and foolish. Now that I'm old and foolish, I can't drink more than 2-3 drinks tops. I cried when I got laughing gas once, so am a bit leery of taking any kind of drugs if I don't have to. On the other hand, I take ibuprofin and decongestants almost constantly because of sinus problems. Smoking is stupid too but highly addictive. I used to smoke but gave it up about 20 years ago. If I could smoke one cigarette a day, I would gladly smoke the first one in the morning just after breakfast, because that one was always the best. Or one after a really good meal. But, you can't smoke just one. And I have allergies and chronic sinus problems and can't bear being around smokers because I end up with a headache and more often than I would like, a sinus infection, which is very painful and leads to having to take antibiotics, which leads to your next point: > Also, what you really have to worry about are > "doctor's pills." > Yes, I definitely believe we are an overmedicated society. The Toronto Star yesterday had a big story on this. Doctors' pills definitely do give you brand new ills, more often than not. A lot of what we take Rx drugs for can be cured by lifestyle changes, but most people aren't motivated to do this, because it takes time, and, gee golly, it's haaarrrrdddd. We want a quick fix for everything. Maybe we just need to slow down a bit and not be so caught up in career and acquiring more toys than the next person, and treat our own bodies with more respect, because, when it comes right down to it, that's all we gots. > Definitely legalizing marijuana is the way to go.. > > I find it O.D.D. (odd) that alcohol is legal and pot > is not. Certainly if tobacco weren't discovered/invented until these times, it would be illegal, and maybe alcohol too. But I figure the international pharmaceutical industry is just the mob in fancy suits. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 22:20:37 -0500 From: Subject: How do you buy good music- cheaply? NJC Inspired by all this talk about Nilsson, I tried to see if I could get 4/$24 from Columbia House or that BMG record club. No deal. They don't have any Beatles either, of course. So, how come this question has never come up on the world's greatest Music list: How do you buy good music cheaply? Lama PS, I thought having "A list" friends would do it, but noooo... PPSS, Julie, are you lurking? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #483 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)