From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #477 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 1 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 477 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- movies, 6o's - 7o's, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] joni, hejira, and smoking pot [Jennifer Faulkner ] Artie Mogull RIP (NJC) [Gary Zack ] njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot ["Happy The Man" ] Re: Sharing some success after misery ["Steven Polifka" ] Movies of the 60's and the 70's, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot NJC ?now Johns Barleycorn [Em ] NJC Re: Smoking pot........ [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Vinyl store: too bad, too sad [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:46:09 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: movies, 6o's - 7o's, njc Yes Ashara. I love this movie. rumors are you're hot for that guy. : -) >Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:27:20 EST >From: AsharaJM@aol.com >Subject: movies of the 60's and 70's, njc >Marianne wrote: <> A Walk on the Moon!!!!!!!!!! A Walk on the Moon!!!!!!!!!! A Walk on the Moon!!!!!!!!!! (Did I mention A WALK ON THE MOON????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) It even has Joni content, and most importantly of all, VIGGO content!!!!!! GREAT soundtrack, also! Also, Same Time Next Year is a real good one. >Hugs, >Ashara _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:07:07 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Faulkner Subject: joni, hejira, and smoking pot Way out in the desert, you'd have to "ride the snake" with The Doors, though. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:20:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: movies of the 60's and 70's, njc Tovah Feldshuh was wonderful as the grandmother. Actually a much younger women. She started her career in the late 60's as a wild red headed singer in the Village. I saw her in Golda's Balcony. She is an outstanding actress. Jerry > Yes, definitely A WALK ON THE MOON. I LOVE IT! > Quoting Jerry Notaro : > >>> Marianne wrote: >>> >>> <> and 7o's as >>> the setting or were perhaps made in the 6o's and 7o's. . . . and >> that I'd >>> like your suggestions about these kind of movies to see.>> >>> >>> A Walk on the Moon!!!!!!!!!! >>> A Walk on the Moon!!!!!!!!!! >>> A Walk on the Moon!!!!!!!!!! >>> >>> (Did I mention A WALK ON THE MOON????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) It even >> has Joni >>> content, and most importantly of all, VIGGO content!!!!!! GREAT >> soundtrack, >>> also! >>> >>> Also, Same Time Next Year is a real good one. >>> >>> Hugs, >>> Ashara >>> >> One of my all time favorite movies and soundtrack!!!!!! >> >> Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:48:30 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Artie Mogull RIP (NJC) By Chris Morris LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Veteran record executive Artie Mogull died Nov. 25 in Beverly Hills of heart failure. He was 77. Mogull began his music industry career in 1949 with Tommy Dorsey's orchestra. He was involved in management during the '60s and early '70s, working with Peter, Paul & Mary, Kenny Rogers, Helen Reddy, Deep Purple, Electric Light Orchestra, Laura Nyro ( news ) and Olivia Newton-John ( news ). He served as an executive at Warner Bros. Records, Capitol Records and MCA Records; in 1976 he was named president/chairman of United Artists Records, which he later purchased. In later years, Mogull was active on the indie-label side. He founded JRS Records in the early '90s, and earlier this year announced the formation of Burbank-based Insane Records. Reuters/Hollywood Reporter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:45:42 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: njc My dad passed away sometime earlier this morning. I don't know many details. He was fine when I talked to him on Thanksgiving. I'm still in shock. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:46:15 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot Okay it was Mingus and Hejira for me. Spent most of my time driving between Bishop and Mojave listening to Hejira and smoking hash, hash for some reason gave me a clearer head. Ultimate pot smoking album was a tie for me: Santana - Abraxas Doors - LA Woman or The Doors Honorable Mentions: Yes - Tales of a Topographic Ocean - Relayer King Crimson - Red Genesis - Lamb Lies Down on Broadway Bill Bruford - One of A Kind Miles Davis John Coltrane Maybe I smoked a lot of pot. Whoa. Dude! Peace, Craig NP: Buddy Miller - Sometime I Cry - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:34 PM Subject: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot > Someone who knows about my Joni habit directed me to a site that has the > following observations about smoking pot and listening to Hejira, not that > I would > know anything about that. Odd thing is that it's from a gay porn site, not > that I'd know anything about that. (I do have to admit that it might be > quite > nice to have Michael Paz hold me tight and whisper sweet nothings in my > ear, not > that I would know anything about that.) > > Here it is: > > Stoned (Again) > > There are probably, at most, I'd imagine, about a dozen albums in my CD > collection that make me want to smoke pot when I listen to them. I started > considering this list while playing Joni Mitchell's Hijera the other > day -- always an > autumnal necessity -- and then experienced a significant time travelin' > moment. When Hijera was released back in 1976 I was a certifiable -- > joints for > breakfast -- head. I toggled between pot throughout the daytime and the > occasional lines of coke in the evening to snap clarity back into my gauzy > nervous > system. > > I was living in L.A., and I'd been lucky enough to land a job in the music > business -- working for one of So Cal's premiere, uber-hip, multi-track > recording studios. Mitchell's album had crawled under my brain, about two > weeks after > I'd purchased it. Initially, after the surreal and heady Hissing Of Summer > Lawns, I thought Hejira boring and lacking hooks and melody -- but then an > artist friend came by one day and made me listen to side two's opener: > Song For > Sharon -- stoned. That was the crystallizing moment. After that Hijera > played > incessantly -- at home, in my car -- becoming a soundtrack. > Pot was simply a given at work, and tacitly approved by our boss. In a > milieu where Frank Zappa walked the halls every afternoon, this wasn't > unusual. One > day, after having smoked a moist oiler with a session musician in the > studio's rec room, I called home and convinced my roomate Christine to cue > up the > song Amelia and set the phone's receiver alongside the stereo -- while she > continued her apartment cleaning -- leaving me to bliss out at my desk, > the song > coming through the phone's earpiece in a tinny stream. > > I'd a sweet frisson the other day, reading David Sedaris's new book, and > discovering that Hijera had generated a similar obsession for him; to the > extent > that his sister would only allow him to share an apartment with her if he > promised not to bring the Mitchell masterpiece with him. > > Maybe it's a gay thing. > > I can't imagine a contemporary album that would have that sort of effect > on > me -- now. And I don't consider myself any less romantic -- or beguiled by > musical genius. Maybe it's because as I moved into my 30s and 40s I smoked > less > pot -- to the point where years would go by between puffs. I'll take the > occasional bong hit nowadays, but usually to accompany making art. I guess > I've > moved from a passive position to an active one -- an important > distinction; but > still I miss that sort of involvment with a chunk of music. So I'm going > to have > to sit down during the holiday, plow through my formidable collection of > discs and compile some sort of list to have on hand when I just want to > kick back, > fire one up and listen to something really really good -- other than Joni. > > For those who are pruriently interested, this came from << > http://www.nightcharm.com/introduction/introduction.html >>. > > XO, > > --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:55:09 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: njc Mark, Please accept my sincerest condolences for this terrible loss. You and your loved ones have my prayers during this difficult time. Donna >>> "Mark or Travis" 11/30/2004 8:45:42 AM >>> My dad passed away sometime earlier this morning. I don't know many details. He was fine when I talked to him on Thanksgiving. I'm still in shock. Mark This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:11:51 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: Sharing some success after misery You go, girls! So glad that you took action- and without any hostility. You forced him to deal with it. I say good for you! This morning on the news there was some issue about a student who wore a 'I'm Gay' tee shirt to school, and this big stink that ensued. Since I had not read any email for 5 days, I was shocked to read about your harrassment as well, and feared the world was going retrograde. I have not been the target of a lot of slurs, except for the occasional 'faggot' yelled form a speeding car, and that was only when I was wearing my 'power shorts' and boots. Usually when someone asked me if I was gay- trying to be antagonistic, I'd respond with: "Why? You wanna date?" which usually ended the confrontation on the spot. Still, I'm sorry that you had to go through the fear and the doubt. That seems to be harder than the abuse, imho. Much love- Lots of hugs, STeve >>> Anita Gabrielle Tedder 11/27/04 02:02AM >>> Dear All I am still receiving such kind mail - it has been so affirming. Just to let you know that our friend Tom in the village said he thought he knew one of the lads and that he had a routine of going to the pub on Friday nights at around 6.30. He offered to watch out and ring us if this lad went by and would follow him whilst we got out with our camera and photographed him. Well - it was him with a girl and when he saw the camera he freaked and started to run but I got my shot. Steph told him we just wanted to talk to him and eventually he did. I had to take the camera back to the house - but we did talk with him. He was threatening at first - saying we ain't seen nothing yet and how dare I call him abusive after I'd abused him by calling him a coward!!!! Anyway it wasn't easy, but he wasn't such a big man on his own and we told him we wouldn't do anymore if he stopped the abuse and threats. He didn't seem to want to listen much, but Tom came over and told him that what it did was just not on which seemed to help because he listened to Tom much better than us. The police came about 10.00pm and I have made a statement and they were SO NICE. I couldn't believe it and they were really affirming our right to not be abused. I was amazed. The woman officer really smiled when she asked my height and I said 5foot 2 and that the lad was around 5 10 and that she about 17 and I was 50 and that we'd both been running all round the village after them! When I heard myself saying it I thought it sounded quite funny really! So I think I am regaining my peace and, once again, thank you all so much for helping that process. I think Joni would be really pleased that her music has brought people together who can then offer such support to others in their struggle to find their way. I think we are stardust and golden, With love bursting out and no more rage Anita xx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:31:42 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Rhythm & Torch News, NJC Hi all, We had a fun/ interesting time at the Northern Lights Theater on Saturday.(I got a cold on Friday morning on the way home from our Chicago Thanksgiving trip, but my voice was almost back by Sat night.) Dressing rooms had a flatscreen tv, dvd player refreshements, 2 baths with SHOWERS and couches and a bar area. LOTS of mirrors... Yolonda's ex- husband Greg (who played our roadie) showed up with a sweatshirt with 'Fuck off! I'm with the band' on front, and: Rhythm & Torch Tour 2004 M & M Club Northern Lights Theater on the back. Needless to say we laughed a long, long time... The show went well; unfortunately we were set way back from the front of the stage, leaving room for the awards presentation, which left it feeling a little surreal. Yolonda made a similar comment to me after the show. Sound was great, audience was appreciative. An obvious Jonifan was singing/ mouthing along to 'Hissing of Summer Lawns' in one of the front tables. Brought a smile to my face! The live recording never happened due to miscommunication. (Apparently, I was to bring my own media and that was not confirmed in my talk with the crew manager. He was a bit of a jerk at the end, but everyone else that we dealt with were great.) However, Greg had brought his video camera, and recorded the whole show surrepticiously! So we'll have DVD's! We also recieved 2 other gig opportunities that night, although non from the casino, which I had hoped. So all is well... Stay tuned for more news as it happens... (LOL) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:45:37 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Movies of the 60's and the 70's, njc Gee I never even heard of A Walk on the Moon movie, will have to check it out. There's one movie missing from the list, IMO: Fritz the Cat (and to follow on the other thread maybe "Up in Smoke" too) Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:54:55 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: things I think about before breakfast, njc An inquisitive mind pondered: What are the differences and the similarities between terrorists and a preemptive military? At first I thought, there isn't any difference at all. Then I looked up preempt, and the definition said, '"to seize before anyone else can." So, I looked up seize, and it said, "to take legal possession of." Terrorists strike and run (or die) so their goal is somewhat different than taking legal possession before others can. I do feel there is a similarity however. Both use force to impose their desires and beliefs on others. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:07:16 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Movies of the 60's and the 70's, njc hehhh, Fritz the Cat..we used see that at the drive in sometimes along with something else. (was in the 70's tho for sure) What a little den of iniquity the drive-in was, now that I think about it. In retrospect - behaviour I wouldn't want my kid engaging in (if I had a kid). Substances abused - body fluids exchanged. Fun was had tho! I guess it wasn't truly iniquity, because it was all done pretty innocently. (i think) Em - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Gee I never even heard of A Walk on the Moon movie, will have to > check it > out. > > There's one movie missing from the list, IMO: > Fritz the Cat > > (and to follow on the other thread maybe "Up in Smoke" too) > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:08:39 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot EM wrote: LOTC is a better stoner record, cuz it stays in one spot. Hi Em! I think I would go with Mingus if I was going to dope it up... instant party where it wouldn't matter if I didn't get what they were saying. If I was going to visit John Barleycorn, I would listen to Night Ride Home and hope I made it. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:01:09 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot NJC ?now Johns Barleycorn - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > If I was going to visit John Barleycorn, I would listen to Night > Ride > Home and hope I made it. ha! "without getting killed or caught" ala Jerry Jeff. I hear ya. Em :) ps uh oh now I'm wanting to hear all my "John Barleycorns", or Johns Barleycorn, whatever: Renbourn Traffic SteeleySpan anybody know any other good JB's? pps Laura I know you meant the fruit of the barley - not the song, lol! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:10:36 EST From: Allmanfan54@aol.com Subject: Re: Smoking pot........ .....reefer, weed, stuff, cannabis, spliffs, joints, bongs, etc. This is to be my very first post here on the JMDL, and I never would have thought the subject would be "smoking pot." But after reading Nuriel's post, and the subsequent replies, I feel compelled to share my own experience with the "evil weed" and how it affected my own life's journey. Like many, I first tried pot in my early teens (I am now 50), and I thought it was a very cool recreational drug. How great the music sounded, how excellent the junk food tasted, how funny the most inane things seemed, and on and on. Soon, without my even realizing it, pot became my way of self medication. Of course there were things in my life that caused it to be such, but it is the direction I took just the same. By the time I was in my 20's, smoking was a most important, if not THE most important thing to me. Getting it, having it, keeping it, and keeping myself high. Morning, noon, and night. It continued for me this way nonstop, into my 40's. I worked, got married and divorced, raised a daughter and 2 step children, but I was constantly moving into my own personal darkness and hell. By the time I was 45 I was in a very bad, and a very dark place. Then I made the worst judgment call of my life, which caused my own downfall in a way I will not bore you with right now. The good news is that it was this one case of poor judgment that finally gave me the incentive, strength, and direction to take my own life back, and to take responsibility for it. I have now been completely drug and alcohol free since Sept. 23rd, 2000, and I have never been in a better place in my life. The music has NEVER sounded better, the food still tastes great, and the most inane things still make me giggle like a fool. Better still is my reconnections with family and friends, and the finding of self strength, self peace, and a most positive and happy outlook on life. Many people scoff and I have so often heard things like "Hey, its only a little reefer," or "Pot is natural, it grows wild," or "pot is just not addicting" Well, for some, or perhaps many, those are true statements. But for many of us, pot can be as addicting as heroin, and can cause as much havoc in our lives as coke, meth, barbiturates, or any number of other substances. I do not in any way judge those who get high, and many of my friends and family still do. My own 18 year old daughter is a burner, and all I do is mildly caution her about the dangers. I go to concerts as often as I can, and I see people getting high and it does not bother me. I still even enjoy smelling a burning pipe or joint at times. But I also know that to ever get high again would be my downfall, and so I choose to be "high on life." Works well for me, and again, I have never been happier, or more well adjusted in my life. The strength to become straight for me did not come from any program or 12 step program, the strength for any of us I believe comes from within. And yes, there is sooooo much power and strength to be found in the music. The music rules !!! So my sincere, and heartfelt commiseration with Nuri, and to anyone else who can perhaps relate. Peace, and love and happiness to you all, Edwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:57:57 -0500 From: Subject: "Clouds", 100% JC I didn't 'get' this record back in "the day" because I thought it was too folky, in a saccharine way. On some days, when I'm way over stressed, this is just the ticket. It's mellow, it's peaceful, and it's drug-free. The story-telling is world class of course and the mood is wooden. Even the heaviest song, "The Fiddle and the Drum" isn't angry. One question though. I have the HDCD edition and the back cover is pixelated like CRAZY. If you have it, look at the bushes. Some branches are rendered as individual square dots, resembling a bad jpg conversion, as if they based the back cover on a scaled-up web photo. Strange. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:40:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Smoking pot........ **I have now been completely drug and alcohol free since Sept. 23rd, 2000, and I have never been in a better place in my life. Hi Ed, and welcome to the JMDL - thanks for stepping out of lurkdom. And besides being Joni fans, we've got something else in common...I was born on September 23, and you were REBORN on the same day! And I've been alcohol-free since Saturday night, does that count for anything? Thanks for the intro, and congratulations on your realignment. I look forward to hearing more from you buddy! Bob NP: XTC, "Cockpit Dance Mixture" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:47:01 -0500 From: Subject: Vinyl store: too bad, too sad Very little Joni content here. I was in a foreign part of town yesterday and stopped at a used LP/vinyl/record store that also sells Comic books. (Insert your own joke here.) At first it seemed promising because they had a 20-year-old divider for the Ray Charles section. But then they had no Joni Mitchell at all. Not one. Then I noticed there were no Promos either, and garden-variety (used) jazz records were priced between $20 and $30. Cough. Cough. The final cut: used Cheryl Ladd record: $10 USD. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #477 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)