From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #474 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, November 28 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 474 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni v.s. Evil (a bit spooky):) [Nuriel Tobias ] BSN - My Man's Idea [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: BSN - My Man's Idea [Catherine McKay ] Re: Sharing some success after misery njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni v.s. Evil (a bit spooky):) [Randy Remote ] Re: BSN - My Man's Idea [Randy Remote ] NJC Re: BSN - My Man's Idea NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Stepping into "Both Sides Now" (the song) [Brian Gross ] Re: Joni v.s. Evil (a bit spooky):) [Nuriel Tobias ] To Kiss Her He Has To Shave [Nuriel Tobias ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:28:25 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni v.s. Evil (a bit spooky):) You're 100% right, Randy. Joni's music is what the angels play in Heaven. I was talking about the lyrics - sometimes they seem like postcards from Hell. Combine them both - and you get Joni. ("Caught In The Middle") Say, Randy, now that i know that you're also a recording engineer - i know there's a way to strip off the vocal so you can only hear the "playback". Have you ever tried it with a Joni song? Nuri Randy Remote wrote: Nuriel Tobias wrote: > (I wish i could agree with you, Randy, and basicly i do, but going through all of Joni's work, those who deal with Evil, misery, madness, desperation, anger, bitterness, etc' - really outnumber the spreading positivity ones. I agree. I wasn't thinking of positivity in terms of the lyrics. Strip off the vocal track, and you're left with some pretty complex, cosmic music. The awareness or spiritual maturity or whatever you want to call it that is evident in the music is, in itself, it's own message. There's the lyrics, and there's the wave that carries it. Also, lyrical honesty is a mind-opening thing, even if the subject is not cheerful. Enjoyed your post-much food for thought. Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:56:23 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: BSN - My Man's Idea My man had a great idea. He said something like "Let's make a cdr of BSN - but with the original versions of the songs". Isn't he something?...:) I've been trying to find the original versions of each song (that is - the VERY ORIGINAL, as in, the FIRST SINGER WHO RECORDED IT) - and found so many versions to each song i've no idea which one is the original. (But for the 2 Joni songs) Could you please help? You're My Thrill At Last Comes Love You've Changed Answer Me, My Love A Case Of You Don't Go To Strangers Sometimes I'm Happy Don't Worry 'Bout Me Stormy Weather I Wish I Were In Love Again Both Sides, Now I'd be really thankful, Yours, Nuriel All your favorites on one personal page  Try My Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 07:45:30 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: BSN - My Man's Idea --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > My man had a great idea. He said something like > "Let's make a cdr of BSN - but with the original > versions of the songs". Isn't he something?...:) > > I've been trying to find the original versions of > each song (that is - the VERY ORIGINAL, as in, the > FIRST SINGER WHO RECORDED IT) - and found so many > versions to each song i've no idea which one is the > original. (But for the 2 Joni songs) > > Could you please help? > The incomparable Bob Muller did put such a collection together and I happen to have a copy. I think it was one of the giveaways at Jonifest 2003. Whether or not these are the very first recordings of these songs, I don't know but, here are the singers on Bob's CD. Year and name of album is after singer's name. > You're My Thrill - Billie Holiday (1949,The Complete Decca recordings) > You're My Thrill - Ella Fitzgerald (1961, Clap hands, here come Charlie!) > At Last - Etta James (1960 - At last!) > Comes Love - Billie Holiday (1957, All or nothing at all) > You've Changed - Billie Holiday (1958, Lady in Satin) > You've Changed - Ella Fitzgerald (1966, Whisper not) > Answer Me, My Love - Nat King Cole (1953, The Capitol Collector's Series) > A Case Of You * > Don't Go To Strangers - Dinah Washington (1960, Jazz 'round midnight) > Sometimes I'm Happy - Bille Holiday (1959, The Complete Billie Holiday on Verve) > Don't Worry 'Bout Me - Frank Sinatra (1953, The Capitol Collector's Series) > Don't Worry 'Bout Me - Bille Holiday (1959, The Complete Billie Holiday on Verve) > Stormy Weather - Ethel Waters (1933, CBC Timeless Historical Presents...) > Stormy Weather - Bille Holiday (1959, The Complete Billie Holiday on Verve) > Stormy Weather - Etta James (1960 - At last!) > I Wish I Were In Love Again - Frank Sinatra (1956, A swingin' affair) > Both Sides, Now ** For Joni's originals, Bob threw in some bonus tracks by other singers: * A Case Of You - Caroline Lavelle (1995, Spirit) ** Both Sides, Now - Pat Martino, with Cassandra Wilson (1997, All Sides Now) ** Both Sides, Now - Pat Martino (1974, Consciousness) If you want a copy, send me your mailing address and I'll send you one. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Doctors' pills give you brand new ills. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 07:52:20 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Sharing some success after misery njc --- Anita Gabrielle Tedder wrote: > Dear All > I am still receiving such kind mail - it has been so > affirming. I think Joni would be > really pleased that her > music has brought people together who can then offer > such support to > others in their struggle to find their way. I think > we are stardust and > golden, > With love bursting out and no more rage > Anita xx I'm so happy to read all this. You go, sister! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Doctors' pills give you brand new ills. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:23:40 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: njc Concert for George Thanks for the heads up, Vincent. I'll be going to the SF show, which sounds like a marvelous value for a mere $10 donation. I invite any and all San Francisco Bay Area jmdlers to join me. Damn, I miss George. But look...here comes the sun! - -Julius In a message dated 11/25/04 7:54:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, revrvl@comcast.net writes: The San Francisco show is on December 1st, and like the LA show, will feature amazing live performances following the movie. The show is at The Independent (628 Divisidero Street). Doors are at 7pm. The Movie will run at 8pm. Following the movie we'll have performances by Firecracker and Chris Von Sniedern, followed by a set from Cheb i Sabbah, a phenomenal DJ who incorporates Indian rhythms, live drums, visuals and dancers into one mind-bending show. Tickets are $10 in advance, $12 at the door. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:18:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN - My Man's Idea **The incomparable Bob Muller did put such a collection together and I happen to have a copy. I think it was one of the giveaways at Jonifest 2003. Thanks Catherine...although I AM incomparable (could be a good or a bad thing I suppose) I was not responsible for this collection. Simon assembled it and Lama assisted with copies, packaging and distribution. It's an interesting collection to be sure. Bob NP: U2, "Miracle Drug" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:46:10 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: BSN - My Man's Idea Catherine wrote: > **The incomparable Bob Muller did put such a collection > together and I happen to have a copy. I think it was > one of the giveaways at Jonifest 2003. > > Bob wrote: > Thanks Catherine...although I AM incomparable (could be a good or a > bad > thing I suppose) I was not responsible for this collection. Simon > assembled it and Lama assisted with copies, packaging and > distribution. > > It's an interesting collection to be sure. > > Bob I don't think Simon intended this to be a collection of the very first recordings of these songs. I was just doing some sleuthing and found out that 'You're My Thrill' was recorded by Lena Horne in 1941 which pre-dates Billie Holiday's 1949 recording. I'm not sure what to tell you Nuri about how to find out who recorded these songs first. I was looking in the ASCAP and BMI websites. ASCAP does give a list of artists that have recorded each of the songs in their database but I couldn't find the dates for the various recordings or their publication dates. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:02:01 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni v.s. Evil (a bit spooky):) Nuriel Tobias wrote: > You're 100% right, Randy. > Joni's music is what the angels play in Heaven. > I was talking about the lyrics - sometimes they seem like postcards from Hell. > Combine them both - and you get Joni. ("Caught In The Middle") > > Say, Randy, now that i know that you're also a recording engineer - i know there's a way to strip off the vocal so you can only hear the "playback". Have you ever tried it with a Joni song? I haven't, and don't have the gear that does that. The "vocal eliminator" uses phase to eliminate sounds that are 'in the middle' of a stereo spread. Used mostly for singers who want to practice to their favorite tunes. There's "Tiger Bones", though... RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:59:07 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: BSN - My Man's Idea Nuriel Tobias wrote: > > I've been trying to find the original versions of > > each song (that is - the VERY ORIGINAL, as in, the > > FIRST SINGER WHO RECORDED IT) - "Don't Worry 'Bout Me" was recorded in Aug. 1939 by Django Reinhardt, Stephane Grappelli, and the Quintet of the Hot Club of France with vocalist Beryl Davis in London. This was the same year the song was copyrighted, but I don't know if this is the first recording. Chances are they first heard it by an American artist. It's a very nice version, btw. RR Catherine McKay wrote: > > Don't Worry 'Bout Me - Frank Sinatra (1953, The > Capitol Collector's Series) > > Don't Worry 'Bout Me - Bille Holiday (1959, The > Complete Billie Holiday on Verve) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:12:52 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: BSN - My Man's Idea NJC **I don't think Simon intended this to be a collection of the very first recordings of these songs. As usual, you are right on the mark, Mark... Simon's goal as I understand it was to capture the definitive versions of these songs, not necessarily the first. That would be an interesting project too I suppose, from a historical perpective anyway. It would take a bit of sleuthing - maybe Simon has that information handy. Bob, returning from the Saturn dealer where he just (finally) bought a new car, his first since 1990! NP: The Shins, "Turn a Square" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:15:37 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Stepping into "Both Sides Now" (the song) A holiday gift idea for those who want to step into "Both Sides Now" (but only if you have deep pockets, I'm afraid) http://urbanpeel.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=up-1&Product_Code=sn-1222 Have a good weekend, my friends Brian ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 00:12:19 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: women Laurent wrote: By the same token, I think this whole difference of opinions between us is typical of the difference between american and french women. From what I've seen, american women and feminists in particular take these "rights" issues very seriously and will fight hard for it. French women in general get a lot further by using their own weapons and not the men's. As a frenchman said: "women who want to be equal to men really lack ambition". Women are smarter, they don't need to fight hard against men to win. Hi Laurent, I like what you said. Yes, I agree, there are a lot of American women who take women's rights issues very seriously. I for sure do. What could be more serious for women than to be liberated from oppression? Feminism sometimes has gotten off track in my experience and has really become a form of masculinism rather than actually promoting women's attributes. I like it in Joni's song, Ladies Man, where she says, "Why do you keep on trying to make a man of me." Joni is feminism at it's best in my opinion. She uses her own weapons of beauty and intelligence to be an example to and to empower women while at the same time attracting men. I have never found an artist who uses her female attributes more perfectly in song and music than Joni. That is a major reason why she appeals to me. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:26:52 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: BSN - My Man's Idea First of all - Thanks everyone for the info, and Thank you Cahterine for the offer, that's very kind of you, but you really need not bother. I (we) already have some compilations of BSN's earlier versions (including those you've mentioned). What we aim for is the very first versions. Mark's (Thanks, Mark) search and Randy's (Thanks, Randy) comment don't make my life easier:) I think the only way is to start searching myself, and luckily we have a very good music institute in our town. Maybe they can help. Maybe not. But that's a good place to start. It may take me sometime, for it seems like this project is not going to be easy, but i won't settle for anything less than the very first versions, all of them. Honest? I don't think i'll be able to solve this, but if and once i'm able to work out this compilation - i'll send it to you guys. And Bob, enjoy your new car and drive safe. Thanks again, Nuriel p.s. Catherine - i've noticed your new Joni signature but this time i'm keeping my big mouth shut.:) Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:38:12 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni v.s. Evil (a bit spooky):) Randy Remote wrote: "The "vocal eliminator" uses phase to eliminate sounds that are 'in the middle' of a stereo spread. Used mostly for singers who want to practice to their favorite tunes.There's "Tiger Bones", though... I wanted to mention "Tiger Bones" in my earlier post, but then i recalled that it's not a result of a "vocal eliminator" but a take of it's own. Nuri Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:58:31 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: To Kiss Her He Has To Shave Nothing more than a thought...But i think that 'Snakes and Ladders' is about an affair that Larry had while being married to Joni. And to make things "worse" i also think that "Nothing Can Be Done" is dealing with the same issue. Don't be afraid to ask me why. Nuriel Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #474 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)