From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #473 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 27 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 473 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- My misery email NJC [steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder)] Re: Joni v.s. Evil (a bit spooky):) [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Sharing your Misery; njc [Susan Guzzi ] Poetry [Garret ] Re: Sharing your Misery; njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: sharing my misery njc [steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder)] Tom Rush in the Boston Area this weekend (some joni content, always) [B] nov 25!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Re: Ukraine election mess, njc [] Slide show of the ballons in NYC [] blessed releif njc [colin ] Gay's misery, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] re: If you're not up for misery, delete immediately NJC [Garret ] success [Vince Lavieri ] Thankful Again [Michael Paz ] Mississipi, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] nov 27!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Sharing some success after misery [steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedde] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:23 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder) Subject: My misery email NJC Dear Everyone Well - you guys came through Sooooo good. I am completely overwhelmed by the kindness and love coming down the wires. So much wisdom, truth and practical advice. Your emails have helped me feel much more in balance this morning although I am so tired and it's hard to think clearly, I feel brighter. The police rang last night and this officer sounded not very sympathetic with his 'I believe you have something to report to us' and I found myself saying 'No, nothing.' Anyway, he seemed to become a little more kindly and I talked to him a bit and he's coming round to see us at lunchtime today. The good news is that nothing happened last night and we went to the gym and knocked bells out of the punch bag. Some of the REALLY big guys offered us their numbers to call anytime and I was so touched. I have always believed that people are inherently good and it's nice to start feeling that way again. Thank you all for your part in helping find that part of me again. Much love Anita xx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:19:26 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni v.s. Evil (a bit spooky):) I think Joni's choice was to fight fire with fire. Joni is a religioun of her own. While most religiouns (including pop culture) use methods such as meditation, mantra-like dancing, joy spreading songs, healing, acts of purity etc' - which in a way is fighting Evil by sending good vibrations, or even not fighting Evil at all, as in "Let those demons be what they wish to be because we are living in another planet" - i believe that Joni, aware of the fact that she's living in a world of poisoned snakes (from lovers, to lawyers, to God), has decided to "become" a snake and posion them in return. Joni, imho, isn't someone who'd place flowers inside killer's guns - she'd steal their guns, shoot them, and light her fag. If this is indeed a witchhunts and wars world - i think Joni has decided to teach them what a witch is and start hunting them. That leads to some questions. First of all - i doubt if Evil doers in this world ever listened to Joni's songs, and in case they have, i'm not interested in their opinios. WE listen to them, and WE are not Evil doers. (I wish i could agree with you, Randy, and basicly i do, but going through all of Joni's work, those who deal with Evil, misery, madness, desperation, anger, bitterness, etc' - really outnumber the spreading positivity ones. Yes, Joni's planting a treat-song or 2 in each album, but first you have to go through a lot of tricks). Back to us. I often read that folks resent joni's music described as "depressing", I find it strange, for Joni herself claimed that while she's painting her joy - she sings her misery. (Recently, in the Fresh Air interview she spoke about her house-keeper who told her that he doesn't understand how a cheerful woman like her writes so many depressing songs and blamed it on the fact that she's working all night, and she totaly agreed with him, got up early in the morning, took her guitar with all intensions to write a happy song - and came up with 'The Magdalene Laundries'.) I don't know if Joni's intentions at the begining of her career was to become a global superstar, but i have no doubt that as years went by she knew that her communication was basicly with US. Album by album, her "relationship" with Evil grew stronger - (I find TI to be an ordeal of the first degree) - and WE became the third part in that "relationship". A stupid analysis would be that this is a sado-maso relationship. But surely that's not the case. I think Joni's dealing with infliction. She wants us to be angry. She wants us to cry. She wants us to be confused. only then - we'll find some release. And if we won't - at least we'll not take part in "Fool's heaven". And you know what? Maybe she is "punishing" us a bit and secretly wishes to "drive us insane":) - but i once read in an Irish play that 'There's no comfort as the comfort of madness'. seconed of all - unlike so many artists, writers, philosophers etc' who stood face to face with Evil untill they became Evil themselves, or were defeated by Evil and were silenced, or went mad or commited suicide - Joni's kept pounding and never gave up. My advice, if i may? Don't take Joni's words (The Vanity interview) regarding The Begining Of Survival where she's saying that "That's my best album ever" too lightly, for this album, imho, is more than "Remember i told you so back then and see how relevant it still is". Joni's saying that "That's my best album ever" means to me "This album is the assence of what i am". As for myself - and do forgive me - i find her Me vs. Evil songs to be the most uplifting ones. They mean freedom to me. I've reached a state where i'm crying while listening to "All I Want" and bursting in laughter while listening to "Tax Free". I'm suffering from the same "cheerful mude" that Joni's house-keeper couldn't figure out. Yours, Nuriel Randy Remote wrote: Nuriel Tobias wrote: > What do you think is the best way to fight Evil with songs? To Describe it as it is, or to spread positivity? Drop jukeboxes on bad people. I think both ways are good. People like Bruce Cockburn, John Trudell, and Joni Mitchell have effectively used serious lyrics to talk about serious things. Maybe the song enforces your own belief in something, maybe it introduces you to an issue that you later learn more about (Magdelena Laundries, for instance). Altho a purely intellectual approach, for me anyway, can be a little too dry, bread with no butter. Spreading positivity; I would say spreading a higher consciousness- showing through art and harmony the possibility for a more harmonious relationship with the world- is another way of going about it. The Beatles, Yes, and many others. The best, like Joni or Pink Floyd or Lennon use both simultaneously. Another approach is just to do whatever you are doing, and donate to worthy organizations. The Grateful Dead did this-you would be hard pressed to find a political song amongst their reperitiore, but they funnelled gobs of money to many philanthropic causes. RR Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 04:28:11 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Sharing your Misery; njc Hello ... out of lurkdom with a burst here ... While I agree with the reason small limp dicked men do this sort of thing ... I would also add this ... they are NOT men, NOR would they seduce most of us (lesbians) anyway. Many of us do to our size or style or butchness - are not in my own terminology - F***able to these thugs. So they are mad about that aspect and that we wouldn't have them and their inept sexual advances anyway. I do have to say - I am a person with a pretty good and wild sense of humor - but let me ask this - WHy do I have to pretend? Why DO I have to pass? And Where are their parents - and or their parenting skills? All this so they can walk the earth and have their own prejudices more so indoctrinated into life and society. At this point in the world and where we have been? NO freaking way! Also how many of you all deny your religion, deny your race, deny your sexuality, deny you own style of dress - just to appease society? I have an idea - why not make all women wear burkas and walk around so they can not be harassed and then - walk 3 feet behind all men - and then and then - WHAT? Come on Laurent - remember - never forget? - Well never again! Things have a way of gathering up steam - remember? Anita and Steph - don't do it! Be safe work through legal avenues and the police - and hopefully some sort of lesbian & gay community activism there. But never ever give up and never ever pass! I am sooo sorry to hear about this awful event - my heart and support go out to you - find some community there and stand tall. All my love, hope and a big hug to you both! Peace, Susan (still sitting here kind of shocked by this bit of advice) Out of the closet and into the street! Laurent Olszer wrote: Hi Sometimes humor is the best way to deal with the situation. There's gotta be some line that will simply make those pricks speechless. I think the main reason why some men get angry at lesbians is that they feel they haven't got a chance to seduce them. I'm convinced that their true fantasy is to be "the" man who will make you like men after you've seen how "great" they are. So maybe if you pretend in a humorous (but not mocking) way that you're attracted to the leader of the pack then they would have no more cause to be after you. This is just a thought. If it doesn't work then you can always change tactic. I'm sure some of you on JMDL have been in that situation. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:57:46 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Poetry When splitting my books into sections recently (after getting back from london and rediscovering boxes and boxes that i had stored here while away) i came upon Joni Mitchell lyrics and poems or whatever it's called. I read some of the lyrics out loud and realised that many of them are really great and that was one of things that drew me to Joni's music originally. for the eighteen months i have not connected with JM's music the wya i used to, and i was, initially at least, none too pleased with TBOS and Dreamland after the geffen box set. I shared this re-realisation with freinds and now am sharing it with you. My friends mostly role their eyes with the mention of La Mitchell. me gets thinking. Given the variety of people on this list, and the vast geographic distribution i came up with an idea THE GREAT JMDL INTERNATIONAL POETRY SWAP So, if *anyone* at all is interested email me. The idea goes roughly like this: some JMDL folk from all sorts of backgrounds and many countries get together in small groups and exchange poetry either native to the country they are from or the country they are in. Personally, i am very proud of much irish peotry (written or else translated into engish cos i am not able to appreciate the subtleties of poetry in the irish language) and would love to share some of the more interesting bits with ye, or at least some of the poets that appeal to me. This way we could introduce some historically important figures to our jmdl friends, or could give a nod of the head to some of the great modern poets that seem only to make it in their own countries. Something like once a month one person in the group sends poetry books to the rest of the group (groups of five or six) until everyone has exchanged some. Even if i only get one or two replies i would be willing to go ahead with this. Any takers?? GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:51:22 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Sharing your Misery; njc -----I do have to say - I am a person with a pretty good and wild sense of humor - but let me ask this - WHy do I have to pretend? Come on Laurent - remember - never forget? - Well never again! Things have a way of gathering up steam - remember? Susan I couldn't agree more with you on principle. In fact I never suggested that Steph pretend she's not gay if that's what she is. Far from me this idea. The question is: when you're facing a wall (in this case physical/verbal agression), do you run into it or do you try going around it. I've personally crashed into many walls and surely there comes a time in one's life when there's no alternative. In Steph's case, these punks were just out to have a good laugh, not to kill her. So I ask myself whether it's worth risking a physical clash or isn't it smarter to disarm the aggressor instead with a good laugh. By the same token, I think this whole difference of opinions between us is typical of the difference between american and french women. From what I've seen, american women and feminists in particular take these "rights" issues very seriously and will fight hard for it. French women in general get a lot further by using their own weapons and not the men's. As a frenchman said: "women who want to be equal to men really lack ambition". Women are smarter, they don't need to fight hard against men to win. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:37 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder) Subject: Re: sharing my misery njc Susan wrote: "Come on Laurent - remember - never forget? - Well never again! = Things have a way of gathering up steam - remember?" Laurent wrote: "The question is: when you're facing a wall (in this case = physical/verbal aggression), do you run into it or do you try going = around it.I've personally crashed into many walls and surely there comes a time =in one's life when there's no alternative.In Steph's case, these punks were just out to have a good laugh, not =to kill her. So I ask myself whether it's worth risking a physical clash =or isn't it smarter to disarm the aggressor instead with a good laugh." Off list I told Laurent that humour can be great and, like Susan, I would like to say on list that I have had lots of laughs and used humour in many situations, including those when I have been being verbally abused - and it has diffused situations which led to a meaningful dialogue. During the 23 years I have lived with Steph in this village we have had lots of kids calling us names and we've got to know them, talked to them, told them it hurts and things have changed. This Wednesday was different - something more threatening was in the air. We have had some really nasty bits and pieces throughout our time here - not least our next door neighbours whose sons were hanging out the windows many years ago shouting 'Lezzie,Lezzie' when I was sitting in the garden with my Mother. It was one of the worst moments for me. The shame I felt was so intense.For my Mother to hear those shouts was just SO hard - even though it was quite a common part of my experience at that time. When I tackled our neighbour a day later, she just said 'Well, that's what you are, isn't it?' The hatred in her eyes was clear and unmistakable. We didn't speak to each other for 8 years until her husband left her and I saw her out by her dustbin. She looked just terrible and I felt really sorry for her and asked her if she was alright. She almost ran away, mumbling something that I couldn't hear. Two days later I was in the garden and she came out to me and said 'All that stuff in the past. It's over.' And she just went back and started saying 'Good morning' to us from that day on. Gosh, it made life easier. It can't have been easy for her to do that, and I could have easily ignored her suffering that day by the dustbin. The point of this meandering is that we've had all kinds of stuff happen - even a brick through the window in my old house - but on Wednesday I was startled by the power of my rage. Just that day I wanted to kill those boys. I couldn't have found humour in any part of me. I didn't know whether or not they would hurt us, kill me and I simply didn't care at all. In those few moments, I didn't care if I lived or died - as long as I could get back at them. Crazy. I have been really getting into 'Dog Eat Dog' and there's a picture of this mean wolf with it's muzzle upturned. God, that album is for today.I stood on the street corner shrieking 'You f----ing cowards' and I felt like I was snarling just like that wolf on the cover. I think they were probably rather startled at my stamina when I pursued them across the fields and down the alleys!Maybe the wolf was running with me. It probably IS 'smarter to disarm the aggressor' with ANY other way that avoids a fight.Humour, police, the law, whatever. But sometimes - and in that fleeting moment on Wednesday - I was like a hurt animal just wanting to bite.That's how so many wars start. I don't feel I can expect peace in Iraq,Afghanistan,Sudan, Uganda,Ireland, Palestine, Israel etc,etc whilst I am so at war in me and want others to suffer. I really believe that. I look forward to regaining my sense of humour,balance and my sense of peace. I also can't wait to drop my shame - which I thought had long gone but hasn't. I really hope it won't be too long. With my love and hugs (and still some anger too, I guess) Anita ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 08:33:40 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Tom Rush in the Boston Area this weekend (some joni content, always) Folk legend Tom Rush to perform at Bull Run By Nathan Lamb SHIRLEY -- Folk music is coming to Shirley this Thanksgiving weekend in the form of folk legend Tom Rush, who will be in town for two performances at the Bull Run Restaurant on Nov. 26 and 27. details at http://www.harvardhillside.com/Stories/0,1413,108~5342~2559816,00.html Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:53:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: nov 25!!!! njc the horror! the horror! i am living a day behind. that means i should've done the laundry two days ago rather than yesterday and that i should have said happy birthday to brian gross and jim lama yesterday and not today. anyway, HAPPY BIRTHDAY BRIAN HAPPY BIRTHDAY JIM love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:59:43 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: Ukraine election mess, njc Good. I guess they must have something resembling a free press if they all think the election was rigged. That's a great start. I hope the Ukraine can resolve this without bloodshed. I think it's a crucial moment for them and violence would be justified, but that's me. Jim > From: Catherine McKay > The people of the Ukraine have a lot of support. There > was a huge rally today at the Ukrainian consulate that > I pass on the way to work. There were at least 6 very > large coach buses unloading people who were there to > demonstrate. There is quite a large Ukrainian > population in Toronto, especially in my part of town. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:17:47 -0500 From: Subject: Slide show of the ballons in NYC I'm the first to admit that US culture is shallow and brutal most of the time. The Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade in NYC is an exception. Here's a link to the coverage on the NY Times website. On the right, you'll find a box labeled MULTIMEDIA. Click the link called "Slide Show: The Parade". http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/26/nyregion/26parade.htm?th My favorite picture shows a couple in the street with onlookers in the background. The guy is down on one knee in front of a woman. She is crying... She had just accepted a marraige proposal. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:54:39 +0000 From: colin Subject: blessed releif njc two hours a go, i got up from the couch and it was a surpsingly pain free move. I didn't beleive it so i sat down again and got up and it still didn't hurt. then i noticed a wet feeling my my pyjamas. My abcess has burst! never have I been so happy to see I have wet myself! Last night I just wanted to get put down. i have broken my arm, my leg, did my kneee in, had typhoid and nothing but nothing has even been as painful as this-an abcess on my cocyx. I also saw the rheumatoligist and got a long lecture(and diagnosis) about how it is all very well being positive but going on as if I ahve nothing wrong will not help matters! so it seems i haev to slow down, really take my conditon seriously, and to that end they are sending me a cummnuity nursse to teach me how to live with this. Anyway, eneough said about this. i am not going to die, nor am i going to get well and i can and will live well with it. that is that. subject closed. thankyou all for your emails.(oh and the cardiologist doens't want to see me anymore .I have been a good boy, kept my weight off, kept my bp and pusle low, and choleterol low for 1 whole year. so unless i have another episode, he doesn't need to see me and I just need to carryon taking the pills ) - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:07:06 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Gay's misery, njc Hi Anita, I understand the kill now feeling. There's this fiftysomething blond slim attractive guy who has been working at my post office for years. He's very effeminate, and IMO he's putting a double dose of it. At the minimum he's very loose. Well all the patrons I've ever seen found him quite funny, some colleagues with an ounce of mockery but he's really "too much". So my point is next time some people call you names just play along in that direction like "yes honey what can I do for you?" and I wish I were there to see their reaction. Laurent NP/ Grateful Dead: It's All Over Now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:46:13 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: If you're not up for misery, delete immediately NJC Anita and Steph, NOt wanting to say "i'm sorry", but you know what i mean. The not feeling safe in your own home is something i find very upsetting. I do hope this is sorted and you can get back to daily life, without the bother of fools like that. A lesbian couple used to live near me (actually, i'm quite sure there was something in the water where i'm from... so many lesbians in one small community!!), in a fairly rough area. They were well known and liked. I found this surprising, but when i was a young teenager it gave me a lot of hope. My parents were friends with both women (and both played on the football team that my dad managed). They drove around in a pink jeep and were a lot of fun. I remember that my younger brother used to think they were sisters:-) What you said really hit a nerve with me. I recently moved in with my parnter in Dublin. We lived together in london and just can't imagine not being together. When you mentioned internal homophobia, i know exactly what you mean. I was sort of afraid of renting directly from a landlord here as it would take some explaining as to why two men were seeking a double room. Don;t know why this is when i'm more or less comfortable with it in every other part of my life and am quite proud to have friends and colleagues know my partner (yea, he's great). anyway, just wanted to let you hear words of care from the Irish quarter. GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:06:19 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Slide show of the ballons in NYC --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > I'm the first to admit that US culture is shallow > and brutal most of the time. The Macy's > Thanksgiving Day parade in NYC is an exception. > > Here's a link to the coverage on the NY Times > website. On the right, you'll find a box labeled > MULTIMEDIA. Click the link called "Slide Show: The > Parade". > > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/26/nyregion/26parade.htm?th > Yeah, but... yabbut yabbut - you gots to be a subscriber to go there! Damn, I hate that! as if I don't get spammed enough already. The NY Times is most likely worth signing up for (you don't have to pay) but I'm just too friggin' lazy to bother, esp. if it means they're going to be sending me e-mails all the time. My mother used to love watching that parade on TV. We used to watch Toronto's Santa Claus parade too. That was a week or two ago. I used to take the kids down to watch it (sometimes) when they were younger, but you'd have to get there about two hours before it started to get a decent place to watch - and damn! it was cold sometimes. I used to feel so sorry for those kids and marching bands and all the people in the parade, because they would be walking for hours, but what you see on TV condenses it all into under one hour. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Doctors' pills give you brand new ills. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:14:13 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni v.s. Evil (a bit spooky):) Nuriel Tobias wrote: > (I wish i could agree with you, Randy, and basicly i do, but going through all of Joni's work, those who deal with Evil, misery, madness, desperation, anger, bitterness, etc' - really outnumber the spreading positivity ones. I agree. I wasn't thinking of positivity in terms of the lyrics. Strip off the vocal track, and you're left with some pretty complex, cosmic music. The awareness or spiritual maturity or whatever you want to call it that is evident in the music is, in itself, it's own message. There's the lyrics, and there's the wave that carries it. Also, lyrical honesty is a mind-opening thing, even if the subject is not cheerful. Enjoyed your post-much food for thought. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:57:34 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: success After suggesting gently for years, I get this email today from a friend in Mexico about his teen age daughter: "Daniela is the onstage guitarist and singer in an experimental play downtown (among others, she does the Joni Mitchell song that has the line "I could drink a case of you....)." Always good when a seed many times planted spouts! Vince Muskegon: my once and new home http://www.ci.muskegon.mi.us/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:07:43 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Thankful Again HI EVERYBODY! I am so dreadfully behind on the list and in my everyday life, but you are on my mind and heart and I am so thankful for you all. We are celebrating Thanksgiving today cause we went to friends house yesterday for dinner and it was really nice, but it was not our home Thanksgiving which I love so much. I cooked a big dinner tonight and we had some close friends over to have my traditional dinner. The kids were happy with our menu and our own traditions that mean so much now and in their future. I did not write since I came back from Detroit, but I wanted to thank everyone for their support of phone calls, emails, and all. God Bless Sue C. who drove 3 hours to have dinner with me (and then also made me let her pay for it!!!). What a darling! We had a wonderful time and it was so great to be able to get together with someone I love in the land of my birth during a troubled time with my brother so sick. He really rallied while I was there and I am glad I went. He has a long hard battle ahead of him and I will probably have to go back while he does the chemo. Special thanks to Gary Zack who I did not get to see, but who called me several times to check up on me, but circumstance did not let us get together to share some music and talk. It's times like these when I am truly grateful for my special friends in life and the special music as well. While I was writing this I have been listening to some Joni on the Itunes. I wish you all a safe and happy holiday. I hope we can all find a way to let go of the angst of the current political situation. More than anything I wish tolerance amongst us all for the thread that binds us all together. The thread is actually a weave of peace and Joni's music as well as so many other artists. Please lets let dead dawgs lie and try to appreciate our differences and express ourselves without condemning some else for theirs. Be well all of you! Love Paz NP-Desert Rose-Eric Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 04:19:09 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Mississipi, njc Hi Is there someone out there who lives in Mississipi? Please email me off list Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:57:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: nov 27!!! njc happy birthday, jenny goodspeed! love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:02 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder) Subject: Sharing some success after misery Dear All I am still receiving such kind mail - it has been so affirming. Just to let you know that our friend Tom in the village said he thought he knew one of the lads and that he had a routine of going to the pub on Friday nights at around 6.30. He offered to watch out and ring us if this lad went by and would follow him whilst we got out with our camera and photographed him. Well - it was him with a girl and when he saw the camera he freaked and started to run but I got my shot. Steph told him we just wanted to talk to him and eventually he did. I had to take the camera back to the house - but we did talk with him. He was threatening at first - saying we ain't seen nothing yet and how dare I call him abusive after I'd abused him by calling him a coward!!!! Anyway it wasn't easy, but he wasn't such a big man on his own and we told him we wouldn't do anymore if he stopped the abuse and threats. He didn't seem to want to listen much, but Tom came over and told him that what it did was just not on which seemed to help because he listened to Tom much better than us. The police came about 10.00pm and I have made a statement and they were SO NICE. I couldn't believe it and they were really affirming our right to not be abused. I was amazed. The woman officer really smiled when she asked my height and I said 5foot 2 and that the lad was around 5 10 and that she about 17 and I was 50 and that we'd both been running all round the village after them! When I heard myself saying it I thought it sounded quite funny really! So I think I am regaining my peace and, once again, thank you all so much for helping that process. I think Joni would be really pleased that her music has brought people together who can then offer such support to others in their struggle to find their way. I think we are stardust and golden, With love bursting out and no more rage Anita xx ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #473 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)