From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #469 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 23 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 469 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- kinsey, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] NO F**K! NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: The Arrangement [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: (NJC) changes to the Constitution ... and Topo Gigio [Lori Fye ] Music video [M C ] Re: Topo Gigio, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] LBJ - NJC ["Ruth Davis" ] safest/most dangerous US cities NJC ["Patricia O'Connor" ] RE: Topo Gigio, njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Rhythm & Torch Update NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: liberal, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Rolling Stone's Top 500 Songs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Rolling Stone's Top 500 Songs [Randy Remote ] Back from California (SJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: NO F**K! NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Topo Gigio, njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Back from California (SJC) NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Dog Eat Dog, was Re: Hello (The Box Set and The Answer) ["Martin Gile] RE: Topo Gigio, njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Rolling Stone's Top 500 Songs [hell ] Re: Topo Gigio, njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] RE: Topo Gigio, njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Topo Gigio, njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] For Free (Refuge DVD) [Gary Zack ] Re: NO F**K! NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Music video ....njc [Randy Remote ] Re: NO F**K! NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] RE: NO F**K! NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: LBJ - NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: NO F**K! NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] RE: NO F**K! NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: NO F**K! NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Jericho [Nuriel Tobias ] RE:LBJ (NJC) [Steven Blue ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:06:48 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: kinsey, njc >- --Smurf, off to the local Magdalene laundry and then "Kinsey" Hi Bob, I am interested in the Kinsey story. . and I want to see the movie. I caught a little bit of the discussion on NPR radio last week. . . . intrigued by that kinsey report of years gone by. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:51:16 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: NO F**K! NJC Hi Listers... Marianne and I spent a good deal of time this past weekend watching movies and I was struck how the old movies we watched DID NOT need the word FUCK in them to make a point. In particular..the classic ..The Stranger..directed by and starring Orson Wells. I think of the most riveting line in the movie when Edward G. Robison realized who the professor played by Wells really was: "Who but a Nazi WOULD DENY that Karl Marx was NOT a German because he was Jewish?" (of course with Robison's superb acting skills added to the mix) Today that line would have lost something...it's chilling effect.. because today it would have been watered down with superfluous words...f**k comes to mind. It's not that I never say that word or I disapprove even...it's just that it is so overused and such a cheap word. We also saw one of Marianne's favorite's: Pocketful Of Miracle's. Again..today they would have Apple Annie saying to the pedestrians of New York..."Hey..anybody want to buy one of my F**kin apples?!" or Dorothy? "There is no place like f***in home." Anyway..Marianne had jotted down for the last couple of years movies and people of this list who recommended them. (Hell and vince along with many others from here) We started putting them in our queue at Netflix. It's been a lot of fun!! (F**cking fun!!) ;-) Have a wonderful and safe Thanksgiving everyone... Bree ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:41:36 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: The Arrangement Lori wrote: "An indictment on selling one's soul to buy into the "great" Western/American dream that is consumerism and debt and materialism. Taken as a letter or a poem written to one person, it's still so easy to view it as a message to all of us." And Nuriel replied "But you know, sometimes i think that Joni's take on marriage life is too bitter, upset and criticizing. (Unless it's hers and Larry's - they're not "stuck" in some "Arrangement" - they have "Solid Love")." Regarding Lori's brief analysis, in calling it an indictment, Lori (I think) captures a truth, but not the whole truth. LOTC was my first exposure to Joni. After a short time, I fell in love with this album, and played it for my father. His comment - "I really liked that song "The Arrangement' ". He could have been the object of that song. So could I (just change the floor from 33 to 29 and you pretty much have it right). So why did he like it at first, and why am I still drawn to it so ? If it were only an indictment - a charge that one is selling out - that would be so harsh as to be a turn-off. But there is a level of compassion and encouragement in the lyric that is not merely deeply personal (she "whispers" 'you could have been more, you could have been more'), but also in a sense understanding ('noone' knows who you really are - but 'I -Joni - know' there must be more underneath) and reaffirming (yes, you "could" have) and even in a sense encouraging (while you still have the time.... reminiscent of the later "You've got to shake your fists at lightning now). It is critical, yes, but not mean spirited and - especially - not angry for anger's sake. There is in almost all of her art, a rejection of anger for anger's sake. On the rare occasions when she lashes out for the sake of lashing out, her art suffers, IMO. Nuriel, on the other hand, points at another facet. While Joni's view of traditional (or at least suburban) marriage seems in more than one song to be primarily negative and sterile (in THOSL and Harry's House, as well as The Arrangement), in all of those I sense an undercurrent on Joni's part of less than full understanding, of wondering what more might there be to this that she is not 'getting', and perhaps of 'marriage the hippest way to go, well I don't think so, but I'm gonna take a look around it though'. For example, 'he gave her good reason to quit him - still she stays with a love of some kind, it's the lady's choice'. Ultimately, she does make a genuine go of marriage, and I have little doubt developed a keener understanding of its pluses - including deep explorations of loyalty, commitment and friendship - that remain with her via her ongoing relationship with Larry Klein. Extending Nuriel's hypothesis, once the marriage itself happened, the songs of indictment did, too. As usual, oversimplified due to time constraints. But that's Joni for you. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:11:10 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: (NJC) changes to the Constitution ... and Topo Gigio > Now I'm going to date myself (I really enjoy my own company, you know). You should, Mark, because you're splendid company! : ) > Lori, are you talking about the dancers that you saw the overhead shots of > while they made kaleidoscopic patterns on the floor? If so, those were the > June Taylor dancers and they were on The Jackie Gleason show. omg, you're right! Maybe I'm losing my memory faster than I thought. > And awa-ay we go! LOL ... those were the days. And damn! I loved those dancers! Lori, a baby dyke even then ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 09:15:03 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Jericho There is a lot of modern belief by scholars that Jericho as in scripture never actually happened. That Jericho and Ai were actually allegories for if you do what God has called you to do you will be blessed (Jericho) and if you don't do it you will be condemned (Ai). Craig - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nuriel Tobias" To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 12:49 AM Subject: Jericho >I always feel strange when listening to Jericho. ( And i wouldn't have >unless i realy loved that song) > Joni uses the falling of Jericho's walls as a symbol to unconditional > love, open and free, a way to keep the good feelings alive. > Does she know that Jericho is the first occupied territory in the Bible? > Does she know that after the falling of the walls all Jericho's citizens, > from babies to women, were slaughtered? Surely she wouldn't have written a > song dealing with the same ideas in Jericho and name it Fallujah! > > While other cities that were conquered by Joshua's army left no > archaeological trace, Jericho did, and all scientists agree that Jericho > had no walls at all. > Another interesting fact is that during the very short time when it seemed > like Israel and Palestine were about to sign a peace agreement, a casino > was built in Jericho (which is at the occupied terrtories). Gambling in > not allowed in Israel - so when the Jericho casino was opened - nearly > everyone in Israel rushed to the Jericho casino. It was a dream-like > situation to see Israeli soldiers entertaining themselves and served by > Palestinian waitresses. When "troubles" started again - Israeli gamblers > refused to accept the fact that they were no longer allowed to enter > Jericho, and used tricks and lies to enter it untill the Jericho casino > became a war-zone, and was closed. > > Nuriel > Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 08:32:33 -0800 (PST) From: M C Subject: Music video I usually lurk but I wanted to share this. I don't recall seeing it here before. It may take a few moments to download. http://electricsix.com/media/bush.mov Discover all thats new in My Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:04:51 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Topo Gigio, njc Lori, wondering if Smurf would be interested in a latex version of Topo ... ; ) http://www.alphaville.com/topo-gigio.html Wow, Topo looks kind of like Smurpho. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:42:49 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: LBJ - NJC "A level-headed person I know who was born and raised in Texas says that it is common knowledge in Texas that LBJ was involved with JFK's murder. What say you Texans? I know this is a 41-year-old cold case, but can the JMDL solve the mystery of who killed JFK?" - - --Smurf, who has become a sucker for just about any conspiracy theory lately Kennedy's murder is like the story of Murder on the Orient Express, where someone is killed on a train, and it turns out everyone else on the train did it. There is such a long line of suspects. Read up on the sinister Dulles brothers, certainly one or both could have been involved. The Jack Ruby thing certainly connects to the Mafia. Everyone on the Warren Commission (which included a Dulles) is a bit suspect. For more information, there is a website of a lady named Mae Brussell. I think it is just Maebrussell.com, or do a google on her name. She was an ordinary housewife in California, who became obsessed with the search for truth, after the shock of witnessing Oswald killed live on TV with her little children next to her. She bought a copy of the entire Warren Commission report and read it all, volumes of it, to find the truth. She is probably the only person who ever read the whole document. What she found were inconsistencies and patterns that she continued to find in the years that followed. She said the Kennedy assasination was the Rosetta Stone for all the conspiracies that followed. She said much of the violence of the 60's was fomented in order to get Reagan in power. She made that statement in the early 70's, before Watergate. When Watergate unfolded, she was thoroughly familiar with the cast of characters from her earlier study. By the way, I watched the History Channel's supposed debunking of the Kennedy killing conspiracy. It was a bunch of B.S. propaganda. They showed the Zapruder film, and insist that the Single Bullet Theory is the Single Bullet Fact. O.K., the bullet went through Kennedy's chest and hit Connolly, sitting in front of him in the car. If there was one and only one bullet involved in the killing, how, then, just how, did it circle around and blow a hole in Kennedy's head? They did not even show the next few frames of the film, which showed the head shot, and which appeared to come from a different direction than the other bullet. You can do a google on Zapruder if you want to see the tape for yourself. I was only 6 when the assassination happened, but it is indelibly etched into my brain. The world no longer seemed a safe place after that. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:00:01 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: safest/most dangerous US cities NJC While reading the list of the safest and most dangerous US cities/metropolitan areas, I noticed something; the majority of the safest metro areas by far are in the blue states and the majority of the most dangerous are in the red ones. Hmmm...maybe it was fear of fellow citizens and not international terrorists that won the election for Bush. Check it out; http://www.morganquitno.com/cit05pop.htm Patty Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:12:54 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: LBJ - NJC Welcome back Ruth - --- Ruth Davis wrote: <> > > By the way, I watched the History Channel's supposed debunking of the Kennedy > killing conspiracy. It was a bunch of B.S. propaganda. They showed the > Zapruder film, and insist that the Single Bullet Theory is the Single Bullet > Fact. O.K., the bullet went through Kennedy's chest and hit Connolly, > sitting in front of him in the car. If there was one and only one bullet > involved in the killing, how, then, just how, did it circle around and blow a > hole in Kennedy's head? They did not even show the next few frames of the > film, which showed the head shot, and which appeared to come from a different > direction than the other bullet. You can do a google on Zapruder if you want > to see the tape for yourself. I also watched the History Channel's shows on Saturday night. Their computer simulation of the Zapruder film was impressive. As they explained the 3 shots, the first was a miss. The second passed through JFK, entering his back and exiting his throat then striking Connelly in the back and travelling through his body, all in a straight line. The third shot struck JFK in the back of the head and was fatal. Very reasonable shots for a Marine Corp-trained sharpshooter. And their conclusion on Jack Ruby was that his appearance at the police station was a spur of the moment event, after wiring money at a nearby Western Union office for one of his erotic dancer employees. He even left one of his beloved dogs in the car, not something you'd expect someone to do in the case of a premeditated killing. All in all, it was pretty convincing on the limited number of issues they covered in the 60 minute show. And the 2 hour show on the Kennedy curse that preceded it just goes to show that Forest Gump's momma was right. "Stupid is as stupid does" take care everyone, Brian, less than 10 miles from the overall number one swingin' hotspot, Camden NJ ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:31:20 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Topo Gigio, njc i can't believe you got topo gigio in the US. my family used to watch its show when i was a kid. i still remember gigio's favorite phrase: "cosa mi dici mai!" i hated the little creep... *W* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:06:32 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Rhythm & Torch Update NJC Steve!!!! This is absolutely fantastic news!!! Hooray! Hooray! Wow! I am perclempt! This is so fantastic! I wish you everything you desire for this concert! Please, please keep us posted. A live recording would be the ultimate in my book! Thank you for sharing it with us! Sherelle Steve wrote: After much negotiating of schedules for various Xmas events, Boo Boo, owner of M & MClub and I finally settled on Sunday, December 19th. Since we don't /won't do Xmas tunes, we were hesitant about doing a show so late in the month. "By the time you guys are here everyone will be so sick of Christmas you'll be a welcomed relief," Boo Boo joked. "Besides, I wanted to squeeze you in this month because there have been nothing but raves since you played." I have never heard that from a club owner before! LOL! Other news: We have been asked to perform on the 27th this month for the Holiday Invitation Tournament (Gay Bowling Leagues) which is to be held at the Norther Lights Room at the Potowotami Casino... The Northern Lights room is, well, think Vegas! Set up for dinner theatre, some of the folks to play this room lately were Cyndi Lauper, Aretha Franklin, Little Feat, Hall & Oats, Kenny Loggins... you get the idea. We're still in negotiations for details, however, we will have a sound crew and anything we want in our dressing rooms (!). I asked for peanut M&M's - only the brown ones, of course, which got a laugh from the committee head. (hee hee) Since it's a union house, we have a 45 minute set, not a second more. I'm hoping they will be willing to record the show, because it could make a great demo. Wish us luck! Best, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:55:16 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: liberal, njc I've been thinking about the word "liberal" as of late and thinking about how the word has been used in a negative light in the last few years. . so I wanted to examine it. According to the concise oxford dictionary 1964 Liberal: fit for a gentleman directed to general enlargement of the mind, not professional or technical generous, openhanded, not sparing of, ample, abundant, not rigorous or literal, open minded, candid, unprejudiced, favorable to democratic reforms and abolition of privilege. I can hear RL (so distasteful, hate to to mention his name)and others use this word in vain. Why? Well, let's evaluate the word and see if it reflects our values. . . Well for me, 1. Fit for a gentlemen: well, the word gentleman to me means a gentle person, so this I like. 2. directed to the general enlargement of the mind: Yes, I'd like to think this is me 3. not professional or technical: ? 4. generous: I aspire to this. . 5. openhanded, not sparing of, ample, abundant: I hope to be this in my personal life, but politically, I fell these concepts might represent being lenient on others, . . like, giving handouts to others who may be able to work and achieve these things for themselves. . I can see here how some may not like this concept as it relates to welfare or "taking care of others." Some could respond, "hey, my hard earned money, ie. tax dollars and you want to be open handed with them?" Some people take advantage of this. Personally for me, I think people should help themselves if they can, but am willing to help those who cannot help themselves. . but I have seen many abuses with some being open handed. . Me? I am fiscally conservative . . .the national debt makes me very uncomfortable (It's crazy) 6. not rigorous: rigor is good 7. not literal: literal is good. . and not literal is also good 8. open minded: I value this 9. candid: I value this, truth saying, upfront 10 unprejudiced: I aspire to 11. favorable to democratic reforms: sounds good 12. abolition of privilege: I love this one. . . This is very important to me .. That's the thing, I don't feel confident that everyone wants to abolish privilege, ie. caste privilege. I mean, the people with the privilege want to keep it.. I looked up the definitions of progressive and conservative too. . but this is enough for now. XO Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:19:47 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: liberal, njc **3. not professional or technical: ? My dearest liberal Marianne - I believe this is in terms of its usage in the phrase "Liberal Arts" describing an education in Law, English, Philosophy etc. as opposed to an Engineering or Agricultural school or a Technical School. My son goes to one of the top Liberal Arts schools in the Southeast. I proudly wear the label of a liberal too. Bob NP: Ani, "Bubble" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:31:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Rolling Stone's Top 500 Songs Just got this issue today - I guess by now everyone knows that this survey/panel selected Dylan's "Like A Rolling Stone" as #1. Joni placed (3) songs in the group, not too bad really. Both Sides Now - #170 Help Me - #282 Free Man In Paris - #470 As many as Van Morrison, Bruce Springsteen, Johnny Cash, Elvis Costello, Pink Floyd, The Supremes, Simon & Garfunkel, Neil Young...and more than Jackson Browne, James Taylor, Fats Domino, REM, CSNY, and a host of others. And she was a panelist as well. Bob NP: Carli Munoz/Eddie Gomez, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:08:14 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's Top 500 Songs SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > JJoni placed (3) songs in the group, not too bad really. > more than Jackson > Browne, James Taylor, Fats Domino, REM, CSNY, > > And she was a panelist as well. Please, no! Not another scandal! ....seriously, though, congratulations, Joni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:10:30 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Back from California (SJC) Hi jmdl family, I got back from CA over a week ago, but caught that nasty flu bug and it's the first time I felt like posting. It was great seeing Coyote Rick for his 50th birthday, along with the Dulson's, Kakki, and Clark Carlton. I was hoping to see Joni, but she didn't make it. I did get to meet her good friends Val, Chris, & Shell, and they were all very nice. So after being sick last week, I went to my 30th class reunion this past weekend (the one that was supposed to be during Jonifest, but was postponed due to the hurricane). One of my favorite times at the reunion was walking on the beach with a girl that I didn't know at all in high school. She was a violinist in school, and hung out with a different crowd than I did. I had heard she went to NYC after high school to peruse her music career, Then I found out a couple of years ago that she was playing and backup singing with Bruce Springsteen. Her name is Susie Tyrell (and Rose, we've discussed this before). Anyway, it was 2:00 a.m. and I decided to take a walk along the beach. Susie was by herself sitting in the sand. I started talking to her, but didn't bring up Bruce since she was probably bombarded with questions all night. We just chatted about different topics, and she finally asked me who my favorite songwriter/performer was. Naturally I told her Joni Mitchell. Her eyes lit up, and she said she LOVED Joni and had all of her albums. She said she even had the privilege to meet her a few times. For almost an hour we walked on the beach and sang Joni songs......and Susie knew the lyrics better than I did. Naturally, we bonded........especially when she said "Hejira" was her favorite. So when some of you say that you never want to go to your class reunion, you never know who you might run into. Jimmy NP: Jaime Cullem "All At Sea" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:30:15 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NO F**K! NJC Bree cusses: > "There is no place like f***in home." > WTF!? The F word is everywhere! (And just in time for the holidays!) Two of my favorite movies are "Midnight Cowboy" and "Nashville." One made in the late 60s, the other from the mid-70s. One is about a Times Square hustler, and the other involves the country music scene and a political campaign (and we all know things don't get much dirtier than that). Yet how can it be -- these movies don't have any naughty words at all, if my memory serves me right. I don't know where I'm going with this except to say that innocence is FUCKED these days, huh? - --Smurf, who blames Eminem just to piss off Vince! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:48:53 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Topo Gigio, njc *W* writes: > i still remember gigio's favorite phrase: "cosa mi dici mai!" > On The Ed Sullivan Show it was, "Keeeess me goodnight, Eddie." (With what used to be known as a Jose Jimenez accent.) << i hated the little creep... >> Then I guess you never had fantasies of making out with Ed. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:00:10 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Back from California (SJC) NJC **So when some of you say that you never want to go to your class reunion, you never know who you might run into. That's a cool story, Jimmy...and just think - Susie gets to go back to all HER friends and tell them that she walked along the beach with JIMMY STEWART - so she's got the more amazing story! Glad you had such a grand trip, and good to hear from again. Susie is really an amazing musician, she adds a lot to the E Street sound. Bob NP: Cowboy Junkies, "Dragging Hooks" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:24:41 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog, was Re: Hello (The Box Set and The Answer) Hi folks One of the main reasons why early CDs sound so crappy is because of a) The quite often dubious provenance of the tapes used in the mastering and b) The relatively poor quality of the A-D convertors of the era. a) An album is mixed down to stereo in the recording studio (the 'original master' tape), and then goes to be 'mastered' for the medium it is to be released on. Back in vinyl days, a 'production master' would be made from the 'original masters'. This would be an altered copy of the 'original master'. The alterations would take into account the fact that certain sounds can't be transferred faithfully to vinyl. If left unaltered, the result might be distortion on the record, or even a jumping needle. So even when the equipment used is first rate, a 'production master' can be seen as a compromised version of the original master in certain repects. Just taking the 'production master' to use as the source for a subsequent CD release might not necessarily be the best choice. And don't get me started on the extremely dubious tapes that have been used as 'masters' for some CD releases of discs that originally came out on vinyl + cassette only. b) Getting from an analogue 'production master' to a CD means that the music has to be put through an analogue-to digital convertor. Back in the early days of CD, these were not necessarily very good; the result being 'thin', 'harsh' etc. As time has gone on, the quality of A-D convertors has improved enormously, so that subsequent 're-mastered' releases on CD generally sound greatly improved. When Mike Ragogna said he "hardly did any remastering", he probably decided when listening to the masters they sounded so good that all he needed to do was to see that the audio was transferred as carefully as possible to the digital domain. Otherwise there was little to be done in terms of improving the sound. These days, high bit resolution and higher sampling frequencies mean that A-D convertions can be hugely superior to earlier attempts. Jim mentions: > > The difference between my store-bought LP of "Wild Things Run Fast" and the GEFFEN box version is small to none. (The piano still wavers on the sustained notes at the beginning of "Chinese Cafe". Too bad she didn't use Fred Simon's engineer, Ken Christianson, on that one.) Hmmm.. I've always reckoned that there was a wow/flutter problem witht he multitrack tape recorder that was used here. No amount of care used subsequently will undo this problem. Just my technical penny (two cents) :). Martin. > > mark.travis@gte.net quotes > >from the BOX SET CREDITS: > > 96K/24-bit mastered from the original master tapes @ Universal Mastering > Studios West - North > Hollywood, CA > Somebody else with greater technical knowledge will have to explain exactly what that means.> > > > Nuriel Tobias wrote: > > Does the boxset says "remastered" - cuase the main reason i > > didn't buy it was that guy's note at jonimitchell.com that > > no remastering was done. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:29:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Topo Gigio, njc jimmy's ed? *W* > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Smurfycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Lunes, 22 de Noviembre de 2004 10:49 p.m. > Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Topo Gigio, njc > > > *W* writes: > > > > i still remember gigio's favorite phrase: "cosa mi dici mai!" > > > > On The Ed Sullivan Show it was, "Keeeess me goodnight, Eddie." (With what > used to be known as a Jose Jimenez accent.) > > > << i hated the little creep... >> > > Then I guess you never had fantasies of making out with Ed. > > --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:51:01 -0800 (PST) From: hell Subject: Re: Rolling Stone's Top 500 Songs Bob wrote: > Just got this issue today - I guess by now everyone knows that this > survey/panel selected Dylan's "Like A Rolling Stone" as #1. Don't you find there's a certain irony in a publication choosing a song with their name in the title as #1!? Hell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:30:45 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Topo Gigio, njc *w*rites: > jimmy's ed? > Him too, *W*, although thouse of us who have met him at Full Moon just call him "Everybody's Ed." I was actually talking about Ed Sullivan, who was really hot. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:38:10 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Topo Gigio, njc i just googled him to see his pic. kind of like a swarthy richard nixon. i'll take jimmy's ed any day. and jimmy too... and you too, bob. let's see... who else? *W*, looking for excuses not to finish a paper (deadline: Wednesday 9 AM. the horror! the horror!) -----Mensaje original----- De: Smurfycopy@aol.com [mailto:Smurfycopy@aol.com] Enviado el: Lunes, 22 de Noviembre de 2004 11:31 p.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; Smurfycopy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Topo Gigio, njc *w*rites: jimmy's ed? Him too, *W*, although thouse of us who have met him at Full Moon just call him "Everybody's Ed." I was actually talking about Ed Sullivan, who was really hot. --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:48:56 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Topo Gigio, njc *w*rites: > let's see... who else? > The Morman Tabernacle Choir? - --Smurf, who is STILL saving himself for this nutty, slutty Dr-to-be ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:23:26 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: For Free (Refuge DVD) Was fortunate enough to snag a DVD copy of "Refuge of the Roads" today from Borders. I haven't seen it in ages due to a dead VCR and when I heard it was being released on DVD I sold my VHS copy. At least now I have it again and am only partly through it as I write. But once again I am smitten with Joni's vocals, piano, and visuals on "For Free," worth the price of the DVD in itself, (IMHO). Aside from the original recording, I think I love this version best, and especially the added lines: Playin' like a fallin' angel Playin' like a risin' star Playin' for a hat full of nothin' To the honkin' of the cars.... "For Free" on the "Refuge" DVD is just one of so many reasons why I love and am so moved by Joni Mitchell. Best regards, Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:38:02 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: NO F**K! NJC Muskegon: my once and new home http://www.ci.muskegon.mi.us/ The Blue One wrote: > > > --Smurf, who blames Eminem just to piss off Vince! > > As Eminem states in Eminem's newest: "And I could give a fuck what category you place me..." And I guess Eminem learned that from that foul mouthed classless writer who wrote: "Propaganda--piss on 'em There's a war zone inside me-- I can feel things exploding-- I can't even hear the fucking music playing" Who was that gutter mouthed lyricist anyway who whose writing so eerily foreshadows Marshall Mathers?? Vince NP: Eminem, "Never Enough" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 19:45:38 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Music video ....njc omygodthatsfuckinghilarious!!!!! M C wrote: > I usually lurk but I wanted to share this. I don't recall seeing it here before. It may take a few moments to download. > > http://electricsix.com/media/bush.mov ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:54:20 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NO F**K! NJC Vince writes: > As Eminem states in Eminem's newest: > > "And I could give a fuck what category you place me..." > Well then I'll just put the angry little fella in "Folk," with Joni. Vince also directed us to his new home's website at: << http://www.ci.muskegon.mi.us/ >> Don't want to scare you, Vince, but I did a search for "gay" at this site and ... NOTHING CAME UP! Does this mean you're going to be Muskegon's first gay person? That is so cool! - --Smurf, aka Mrs. Smurfy Norman Mayne Kairuz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:32:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NO F**K! NJC who IS norman mayne? wally kairuz-smurph... for a lifetime... sigh sigh sigh > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Smurfycopy@aol.com > Enviado el: Martes, 23 de Noviembre de 2004 12:54 a.m. > Para: revrvl@comcast.net; Smurfycopy@aol.com > CC: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: NO F**K! NJC > > > Vince writes: > > > > As Eminem states in Eminem's newest: > > > > "And I could give a fuck what category you place me..." > > > > Well then I'll just put the angry little fella in "Folk," with Joni. > > > Vince also directed us to his new home's website at: > > << http://www.ci.muskegon.mi.us/ >> > > > Don't want to scare you, Vince, but I did a search for "gay" at > this site and > ... NOTHING CAME UP! Does this mean you're going to be Muskegon's > first gay > person? That is so cool! > > --Smurf, aka Mrs. Smurfy Norman Mayne Kairuz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:37:04 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: LBJ - NJC Ruth writes: > I was only 6 when the assassination happened, but it is indelibly etched > into my brain. The world no longer seemed a safe place after that. > I was only 10, but of course I was already married by then with children of my own. That was 41 years ago today. The assassination really threw a lot of us into a state of shock for a couple of months until Ed Sullivan introduced The Beatles and the June Taylor Dancers to the US. A couple of years later the movies were full of swear words. Then people forgot how to vote correctly. Now things are really, really awful. Ruth also writes: << For more information, there is a website of a lady named Mae Brussell. >> This sounds very interesting. I will check it out. - --SmurfKai ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:39:41 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NO F**K! NJC In a message dated 11/22/04 11:31:19 PM, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > who IS norman mayne? > Turn in the card and the toaster oven, straight boy. Norman (James Mason) was Judy Garland's lush of a husband in "A Star Is Born." - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:48:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NO F**K! NJC that was norman ma*I*ne, no *y*. your toaster oven is mine. wally desmond-murphy -----Mensaje original----- De: Smurfycopy@aol.com [mailto:Smurfycopy@aol.com] Enviado el: Martes, 23 de Noviembre de 2004 01:40 a.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; Smurfycopy@aol.com; revrvl@comcast.net CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: NO F**K! NJC In a message dated 11/22/04 11:31:19 PM, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: who IS norman mayne? Turn in the card and the toaster oven, straight boy. Norman (James Mason) was Judy Garland's lush of a husband in "A Star Is Born." --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:11:06 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NO F**K! NJC *w*: > that was norman ma*I*ne, no *y*. your toaster oven is mine. > GASP! No! Please! I'll do *anything* to keep it! - --Bobbie Bouvier Kennedy Onassis Kairuz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:15:09 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Jericho In fact, Craig, ever since the Chasidim era started,(300 years ago), with the BAAL SHEM-TOV and NACHMAN OF BRESLAW on top, the whole Bible was considered as an allegorie. That still doesn't change the fact that the Jericho "allegorie" is based on a racial idea and a bloodbath event. Joni, imho, chose the not-so-very-right metaphore, for if God blessed the Jews at Jericho - he's just as "Blessing" as the preacher in Dog Eat Dog. Nuriel Happy The Man wrote: There is a lot of modern belief by scholars that Jericho as in scripture never actually happened. That Jericho and Ai were actually allegories for if you do what God has called you to do you will be blessed (Jericho) and if you don't do it you will be condemned (Ai). Craig - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nuriel Tobias" To: Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 12:49 AM Subject: Jericho >I always feel strange when listening to Jericho. ( And i wouldn't have >unless i realy loved that song) > Joni uses the falling of Jericho's walls as a symbol to unconditional > love, open and free, a way to keep the good feelings alive. > Does she know that Jericho is the first occupied territory in the Bible? > Does she know that after the falling of the walls all Jericho's citizens, > from babies to women, were slaughtered? Surely she wouldn't have written a > song dealing with the same ideas in Jericho and name it Fallujah! > > While other cities that were conquered by Joshua's army left no > archaeological trace, Jericho did, and all scientists agree that Jericho > had no walls at all. > Another interesting fact is that during the very short time when it seemed > like Israel and Palestine were about to sign a peace agreement, a casino > was built in Jericho (which is at the occupied terrtories). Gambling in > not allowed in Israel - so when the Jericho casino was opened - nearly > everyone in Israel rushed to the Jericho casino. It was a dream-like > situation to see Israeli soldiers entertaining themselves and served by > Palestinian waitresses. When "troubles" started again - Israeli gamblers > refused to accept the fact that they were no longer allowed to enter > Jericho, and used tricks and lies to enter it untill the Jericho casino > became a war-zone, and was closed. > > Nuriel > Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! The all-new My Yahoo!  Get yours free! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:50:15 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Blue Subject: RE:LBJ (NJC) Hey everybody, I thought I would surface for a bit on this one, and while I am at it, hey Nuriel, I didn4t see any handshaking on Powells visit to Israel, what gives? On the JFK note, I was having lunch with a former Secret Service Agent who was assigned to the Dallas Office during that era. we tried bribing him with free lunches and dinners plus Department Dinner free drinks, and when he realized what we were doing, he simply said..................."It was Oswald" (smiling) so there it is! Steven A. 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