From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #467 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, November 21 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 467 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Ruth is back ,njc? ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Ethiopia [Nuriel Tobias ] a letter from california NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Subject: Re: Hello (The Box Set and The Answer [Nuriel Tobias ] RE: Subject: Re: Hello (The Box Set and The Answer njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Happy Holidays! NJC [dsk ] sideways njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Subject: Re: Hello (The Box Set and The Answernjc [Nuriel Tobias Subject: Ruth is back ,njc? W E L C O M E B A C K Ruth! So glad to have to back. XO Marianne >"Blessed are the selfish and grasping, for they shall inherit the earth. >Blessed are the rich, for they shall become much richer, and shall keep >their riches to the last >penny. For such is the Kingdom of >Heaven. >Blessed are those who think themselves righteous, for they will dictate >unto the others, and the >others will find themselves without >rights. >Blessed are those who find loopholes for their misdeeds, for their misdeeds >will be overlooked. >Blessed are those who are well placed, for they shall receive protection. >Blessed are the liars, for their lies repeated often and loudly enough will >become truth. >Blessed are you when people criticize you and point to your crimes, for you >shall be given dodges >to evade any truth. For God sees >your shrewdness and you shall be rewarded. Amen" >Kind of explains a lot, doesn't it? The best t-shirt I have seen lately >is one that says - What >Would Jesus Bomb? >I think Joni predicted America's disturbing transformation in Dog Eat Dog. >I've been playing that a >lot lately. I know from past >discussions that many people have stylistic objections to that work, but I >have to say, go back and >read the lyrics, if you cannot >stomach the music. The snake-fired evangelists and racketeers have all but >taken over, as she >warned about almost 20 years ago. >Ruth "Thy kingdom come Thy will be done." Don't know why I felt like saying that. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 04:20:51 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Ethiopia Sometime during the early 90's, Ethiopian Jews, who for years have requested to be considered as Jews, were "suddenly" brought to Israel in what's called 'The Solomon Project'. Not all of them, though. Some of them were left in Ethiopia, for the goverment wasn't sure if they're Jews or not. Once they landed, they kissed the ground. Then, they were brought to caravans, no electricty, no watter, nothing. In Israel they're known as "Worse than Arabs". When they donated blood, their blood was instantly thrown away into the garbage, for it was considered an "H.I.V blood". The only way for them to gain back some respect, was to join the army. Ethiopian soldiers are now known as THE BEST killers. Nuriel Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:00:58 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: a letter from california NJC Dear President Bush: Congratulations on your victory over all of us non-evangelicans. Actually, we're a bit ticked off here in California,so we're leaving you. California will now be its own country. And we're taking all the Blue states with us. In case you are not aware that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, all of the Northeast states and the urban half of Ohio. We spoke to God and She agrees that this split will be beneficial to almost everybody, and especially for the new country of California. In fact, God is so excited about it she's going to shift the whole country at 4:30PM EST this Friday. Therefore please let everyone know they have to be in back in their states by then. God us going to give us the Pacific Ocean and Hollywood. In addition we're getting San Diego. (Sorry that's just how it goes.) But God is letting you have the KKK and Country Music (except the Dixie Chicks) Just we're clear, the country of California will be pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, and anti-war. Speaking of war, we're going to need all Blue States citizens back from Iraq. If you need people to fight in Falujah, just ask your evangelical voters. They have tons of kids they're willing to send to their deaths for absolutely no purpose. And they don't care if you don't show pictures of their kids caskets coming home. So, you get Texas and all the former slave states and we get the Governator and stem cell research. (We would love you to take Britney Spears off our hands though. She IS from the South, right ?) Since we get New York, you'll have to come up with your own late night TV shows because we get MTV, Letterman, The daily Show and Conan O'Brien. You get...well, why don't you ask your people at Fox News to come up with something entertaining ? (Maybe you should just watch Crossfire. That's a really funny show.) We wish you all of the best in the next four years and we really hope you find those missing weapons of mass destruction. Seriously.-? Soon. Sincerely, California ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:23:13 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Hello (The Box Set and The Answer Oy vey...Now i'm in trouble with a recording engineer...Sorry, Randy...I know understand that your reply to Mark was a gesture of kindness to me... Nuri jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: Uh oh. Randy Remote didn't say "maximize the volume". He's a musician and a recording engineer, so he wouldn't make that mistake. He was probably trying to simplify a technical discussion because you read and write English as a second language. It was a gesture of kindness to you, Nuriel. All the best, Jim >From: Nuriel Tobias >Maximizing the volume isn't remastering, Randy. It's an EQ work. > When the bass is a bit distorted - compression is used. When > the high sounds reach a hissing- like level - it's fixed. > It's decreasing the dynamic range. The carefully > layered sound quality of a remastered album/cd means that > you can now easily focus on a specific instrument and track > it easily while still enjoying the sound of the whole group. What RR DID say was, >>When Ragogna says "We hardly did any remastering", that means >>it was remastered. Mastering involves putting finishing touches on >>the master tapes that have been delivered by the mixing engineer. The >>mastering engineer listens to them and decides what needs to be done >>to them to maximize the sound. Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:21:17 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: a letter from california NJC The hell he can have Texas. He ain't even a real Texan. A transplant that didn't take. Don't forget there are plenty of blue people in those red states. The hell with him and the Republican party. mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" To: Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 12:00 PM Subject: a letter from california NJC > Dear President Bush: > > Congratulations on your victory over all of us non-evangelicans. > Actually, we're a bit ticked off here in California,so we're leaving > you. California will now be its own country. And we're taking all the > Blue states with us. In case you are not aware that includes Hawaii, > Oregon, Washington. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, all of > the Northeast states and the urban half of Ohio. > > We spoke to God and She agrees that this split will be beneficial > to almost everybody, and especially for the new country of > California. In fact, God is so excited about it she's going to > shift the whole country at 4:30PM EST this Friday. Therefore please > let everyone know they have to be in back in their states by then. > > God us going to give us the Pacific Ocean and Hollywood. In addition > we're getting San Diego. (Sorry that's just how it goes.) But God is > letting you have the KKK and Country Music (except the Dixie Chicks) > > Just we're clear, the country of California will be pro-choice, > pro-gay marriage, and anti-war. Speaking of war, we're going to need > all Blue States citizens back from Iraq. If you need people to fight > in Falujah, just ask your evangelical voters. They have tons of kids > they're willing to send to their deaths for absolutely no purpose. And > they don't care if you don't show pictures of their kids caskets > coming home. > > So, you get Texas and all the former slave states and we get the > Governator and stem cell research. (We would love you to take Britney > Spears off our hands though. She IS from the South, right ?) > > Since we get New York, you'll have to come up with your own late > night TV shows because we get MTV, Letterman, The daily Show and Conan > O'Brien. You get...well, why don't you ask your people at Fox News to > come up with something entertaining ? (Maybe you should just watch > Crossfire. That's a really funny show.) > > We wish you all of the best in the next four years and we really > hope you find those missing weapons of mass destruction. Seriously.-? > Soon. > > Sincerely, > > California ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:32:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Subject: Re: Hello (The Box Set and The Answer njc LOL! good one, nuriel! wally > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Nuriel > Tobias > Enviado el: Sabado, 20 de Noviembre de 2004 06:23 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: Subject: Re: Hello (The Box Set and The Answer > > > Oy vey...Now i'm in trouble with a recording engineer...Sorry, > Randy...I know understand that your reply to Mark was a gesture > of kindness to me... > > Nuri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:29:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Hello (The Box Set and The Answernjc Hey, don't make me maximize your volume.... Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Oy vey...Now i'm in trouble with a recording engineer...Sorry, Randy...I know understand that your reply to Mark was a gesture of kindness to me... > > Nuri > > jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Uh oh. Randy Remote didn't say "maximize the volume". He's a musician and a recording engineer, so he wouldn't make that mistake. He was probably trying to simplify a technical discussion because you read and write English as a second language. It was a gesture of kindness to you, Nuriel. > > All the best, > Jim > > >From: Nuriel Tobias > >Maximizing the volume isn't remastering, Randy. It's an EQ work. > > When the bass is a bit distorted - compression is used. When > > the high sounds reach a hissing- like level - it's fixed. > > It's decreasing the dynamic range. The carefully > > layered sound quality of a remastered album/cd means that > > you can now easily focus on a specific instrument and track > > it easily while still enjoying the sound of the whole group. > > What RR DID say was, > >>When Ragogna says "We hardly did any remastering", that means > >>it was remastered. Mastering involves putting finishing touches on > >>the master tapes that have been delivered by the mixing engineer. The > >>mastering engineer listens to them and decides what needs to be done > >>to them to maximize the sound. > Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:23:11 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Borderline Bob, I week or so ago you posted the lyrics to Borderline: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:28:09 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Borderline Borderline I am just catching up on my digests - no excuse for my absence over the past several months, really, but it felt natural to me to take this break, so I do not really feel wrong about taking it, just a bit guilty for not signing off first. I have been sending Borderline's lyrics to my friends - in context of one discussion or another - for the past two years. In general (I may have posted this to the list), I think it walks that fine line between banal and profound - falling on the latter side, IMO. Last time I sent it was last week, to a friend (this is, I confess, a ploy I use from time to time in my evangelical mission to introduce - er, win over - others to Joni). I hypothesize (or at least imagine) that Joni may have had a right winger in mind when she wrote it ('you scathe the wonder world, and praise barbarity' ?), but basically I think of it as just another 'letter home' from her, putting down what she sees as she sees it. It could apply equally well to both sides of almost any conflict - then and now. Nice to see someone else who feels this way. Bobsart - (Still working my way back on my posts - hope I didn't miss the boat somehow, with this being part of a Smurfy comedy show) PS - still enjoying Travelogue more and more with each listen. Darn that woman ! I listen to it for a year, finally pull the trigger with a mixed review, and learn over the next year that I had underestimated her work for the umpteenth time !!! PPS - I have found that having a good system on which to listen to T is more critical than for most recordings, because of its complexity. Has anyone else found that to be true ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:40:07 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Borderline Bob Sart writes: > > but basically I think of it as just another 'letter home' from her, putting > down what she sees as she sees it. It could apply equally well to both sides > of almost any conflict - then and now. > > > > Nice to see someone else who feels this way. > > Absolutely. I think it is brilliant and is, in a way, Joni at her best, in a sort of W.B. Yeats-y way -- without actually stealing one of his poems, I mean. I thought that reproducing the song said all that I wanted to say post election. And it was not part of a comedy routine you missed! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:22:37 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: US Election 2004, njc Randy Remote wrote: > > Kate Bennett wrote: > > > ... the nytimes is hardly the touchstone of what is really going on > > these days anymore than cnn is... > > Also, it's taken almost four years for the story of how the 2000 election > was stolen to become widely known and accepted. That story was > broken by independent reporter Greg Palast, and largely ignored by > the mainstream press. (Palast has stated that Kerry actually won > Ohio and New Mexico). http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won.php > This is the same mainstream, corporate > owned media that ignored Gen. Powell's lies to the UN, played along > with Bush's bogus excuses to attack Iraq, and happily feeds at > the trough of media deregulation and corporate tax breaks. As the > old saying goes, "consider the source". Yes, first thing always is to consider the source. I have to learn news from at least three different sources before I start believing it. Re: the NY Times, which I love and read every day... what makes it great and well-respected and known as the paper "of record" is the same thing that keeps it from being in the vanguard on any issue, especially one still being investigated and with as many loose ends as the 2004 election fraud. They check sources obsessively (and even more so after the Jason Blair scandal last year) so until a situation has existed for a while and the multiple sources are verifiable, or there are different threads of the same ongoing story that can be pulled together (and the Times is very good at that), then it won't do much reporting on the issue. The same's true for any mainstream major newspaper. It's why people quote them and not the gossipy Enquirer. The NY Times isn't going out on any limbs, other than on the Op/Ed pages and even there, I'm not sure how independent they are. The NY Times was as wimpy and uncritical as most other papers about invading Iraq. And they're always at least six months behind when it comes to reporting what's happening on the streets, whether it's fashion or art or the latest cool NYC neighborhood or people's concern about voter fraud. They'll be all over the voter fraud story a year from now when it's too late to do anything about it, other than read about it in great detail (in the NY Times, of course). So, only independent reporters will be pursuing this voter fraud story with any gusto (and thank god there ARE some reporters willing to take chances in order to get the full story out). Debra Shea, in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:49:12 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Happy Holidays! NJC The season of joy is upon us! The signs are clear... the leaves on the trees in Central Park are gold and red, many of those leaves are laying on the ground and the tree skeletons are showing again. The park is getting that fuzzy grayish look again. (I recently learned that those gorgeous colors are in the leaves all the time, but the chlorophyll in the spring and summer makes the leaves green and hides those other colors... well, who knew? and how cool! there must be a metaphor for something in all that.) Christmas decorations are up and lit, more every day all over the city. Dinosaurs made out of white lights are guarding the doors of the Natural History museum. Some hot dog stands have strings of lights draped over them. Radio City Music Hall is starting its Christmas shows. And there will probably be elephants in the street again soon. This year I'm taking a break from the list for the holidays, doing some traveling and generally meandering, and won't be able to keep up with the list's hundreds of messages. I may check the archives, but may not, so if anyone wants my attention, you'll need to email me directly. To my fellow U.S.ers, Happy Thanksgiving! Be careful about that turkey. Too much tryptophane will knock you out faster than a pint of Guinness. To everyone, Happy Hanukkah and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! I hope you all enjoy this winter solstice time in the northern hemisphere, however you celebrate it. See ya'll sometime in 2005! Debra Shea, for a short while longer, still in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:29:26 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: sideways njc After reading victor's mini review (victor I hope you are still here) & other great reviews about this movie we went to see it last night. sweet & laugh out loud funny in so many places & wonderful long dialogues, down to earth so NOT Hollywood plot. not to mention the beautiful scenery of my "hood. well its my backyard actually (the santa ynez wine country) as opposed to my santa barbara city/ocean front yard. ashara its where we went for lunch! & steve dulson i know you've been to the valley too. it really was true to the valley & people & some of the funky homes there. & of course the excellent wines. more than that it was a great metaphor about wine/life. but I had to laugh that it was a place that jack (one of the characters) wanted to party in. because it's a pretty sleepy place :~} oh & the wine pourer at the first winery (long hair & hat) is (in real life) our downtown post office clerk ! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:41:19 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Hello (The Box Set and The Answernjc LOL! That's MY Randy...!:) Randy Remote wrote: Hey, don't make me maximize your volume.... Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Oy vey...Now i'm in trouble with a recording engineer...Sorry, Randy...I know understand that your reply to Mark was a gesture of kindness to me... > > Nuri > > jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Uh oh. Randy Remote didn't say "maximize the volume". He's a musician and a recording engineer, so he wouldn't make that mistake. He was probably trying to simplify a technical discussion because you read and write English as a second language. It was a gesture of kindness to you, Nuriel. > > All the best, > Jim > > >From: Nuriel Tobias > >Maximizing the volume isn't remastering, Randy. It's an EQ work. > > When the bass is a bit distorted - compression is used. When > > the high sounds reach a hissing- like level - it's fixed. > > It's decreasing the dynamic range. The carefully > > layered sound quality of a remastered album/cd means that > > you can now easily focus on a specific instrument and track > > it easily while still enjoying the sound of the whole group. > > What RR DID say was, > >>When Ragogna says "We hardly did any remastering", that means > >>it was remastered. Mastering involves putting finishing touches on > >>the master tapes that have been delivered by the mixing engineer. The > >>mastering engineer listens to them and decides what needs to be done > >>to them to maximize the sound. > Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! Discover all thats new in My Yahoo! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #467 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)