From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #464 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, November 18 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 464 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- piggies NJC ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: Joni Covers [Em ] US Election 2004 NJC (don't forget this tag or the jonlies will be upset) ["Kate Bennett" ] The Grinch - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Brenda Russell ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Brenda Russell [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Brenda Russell ["Sherelle Smith" ] Rolling Stone Magazine's "500 Greatest Songs of All Time" [Brian Gross ] US Election 2004, njc [] what you can do-- please do something njc [] H.O.P.E. [patti haskins ] Re: what you can do-- please do something njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] RE: piggies NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:53:34 -0000 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: piggies NJC I have always, and forgive me if this has already been said, but I rarely have time to dip into this list, understood that Piggies referred to our police. Pigs was certainly a 60s term for the police and there was a lot of anti-police/anti-establishment feeling (really? you surprise me!) in the 60s from the Beatles and in fact any one whose hair went below their collars. To have lived in England in the 60s was, I now realise, something rather special. My first visit to London was when I was 8 (so that was 1965) and my sister and I had to wear dresses, gloves and smart clothes (trousers were frowned upon on young ladies in London) and my mother wore a dress, matching coat and a hat and gloves. We went to Greenwich to stay at the Naval college where my father was a lecturer. We arrived in London on the train and it was an astonishing thing for us to be going anywhere really... visiting the CAPITAL CITy was a dream come true. My father met us at Waterloo station and off we went for the day We went on the top of a London bus, everything was so loud and fast and busy and colourful. We went down Carnaby street and I bought a facsimile of the street sign (which I kept for about 20 years!). I can remember seeing some young office girls with flicked up hair and some with beehives hair do's and false eye lashes and thinking they HAD to be friends of Dusty Springfield.... There were still, in a few places, gaps in some areas where bombs had fallen in the war and these were not developed. They were boarded up at street level but from the top of the bus you could see the huge holes where the ground had been cleared and the cellars dug out. I always find there is a poignancy to seeing where a house or builing has been.. the echo of a roof line in the flank wall of another building; evidence of floor joists jutting out; maybe a half left window frame.... ways of living all gone.... I have rambled but its funny how just a few words can transport you....thanks for an excuse to re-visit my childhood. Lucy. Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 07:25:03 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: piggies NJC My book 'A Hard Day's Write' says George wrote it as a satire of society. unfortunately Charles Manson took it as inspiration which of course horrified George. Love your friends because you choose them. Understand your family because no one else can. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 04:42:53 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni Covers Hi Brian I have one set. If you send me your address offllist I will get them to you. :) Em - --- Brian Hernandez wrote: > I've been listening to & really enjoying the amazing "Best Of" Joni > covers > that Bob has put together. It's great to hear Joni's lyrics through > another > artist's perspective & style. > > I understand that there are 5 sets of Joni covers (10 volumes in > each) > available here on the JMDL. I'd like to make copies of all of them. > If you > have any of those sets, would you contact me and let me know the best > way to > get them from you. > > Thanks...Brian > > We are stardust...come from billion year old carbon > We are golden...caught in the devil's bargain > And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden > - Joni Mitchell > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:55:40 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: US Election 2004 NJC (don't forget this tag or the jonlies will be upset) Marianne> I just got this. Could al of this be true?< Have you watched the votergate video yet? http://www.votergate.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:59:10 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: hyms Leslie >i jumped on the Joni-wagon during the Hejira days. Before that i thought her earlier melodies were a little too "up and down", like Lutheran hymns. Has anyone on this list discussed this topic before? Now, i wldn't chg a thing. < I always felt that way about Jackson Browne's songs, having myself grown up singing protestant hymns... part of a paper I wrote in college referenced that idea, but the TA just didn't get it... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:41:11 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: The Grinch - NJC How the Grinch Stole Marriage by Mary Ann Horton, Lisa and Bill Koontz (with apologies to Dr. Seuss.) Every Gay down in Gayville liked Gay Marriage a lot...... But the Grinch, who lived just east of Gayville, did NOT!! The Grinch hated happy Gays! The whole Marriage season! Now, please don't ask why. No one quite knows the reason. It could be his head wasn't screwed on just right. It could be, perhaps, his Florsheims were too tight. But I think the most likely reason of all was His heart and brain were two sizes too small. "And they're buying their tuxes!" he snarled with a sneer, "Tomorrow's the first Gay Wedding! It's practically here!" Then he growled, with his Grinch fingers nervously drumming, "I MUST find some way to stop Gay Marriage from coming!" For, tomorrow, he knew... All the Gay girls and boys would wake bright and early. They'd rush for their vows! And then! Oh, the Joys! Oh, the Joy s! And THEN they'd do something he liked least of all! Every Gay down in Gayville the tall and the small, would stand close together, all happy and blissing. They'd stand hand-in-hand. And the Gays would start kissing! "I MUST stop Gay Marriage from coming! ...But HOW?" Then he got an idea! An awful idea! THE GRINCH GOT A WONDERFUL, AWFUL IDEA! "I know what to do!" The Grinch laughed in his throat. And he went to his closet, grabbed his sheet and his hood. And he chuckled, and clucked, with a great Grinchy word! "With this beard and this cross, I look just like our Lord!" "All I need is a Scripture..." The Grinch looked around. But, true Scripture is scarce, there was none to be found. Did that stop the old Grinch...? No! The Grinch simply said, "With no Scripture on Marriage, I'll fake one instead!" "It's one man and one woman," the Grinch falsely said. Then he broke in the courthouse. A rather tight pinch. But, if Georgie could do it, then so could the Grinch. The little Gay benefits hung in a row. "These bennies," he grinned, "are the first things to go!" Then he slithered and slunk, with a smile most uncanny, around the whole room, and he took every benny! Health care for partners! Doctors for kiddies! Tax rights! Adoptions! Pensions and Wills! And he stuffed them in bags. Then the Grinch, with a chill, Stuffed all the bags, one by one, in his bill. Then he slunk to the kitchen, and stole Wedding Cake. He cleaned out that icebox and made it look straight. He took the Gay-bar keys! He took the Gay Flag. Why, that Grinch even took their last Gay birdseed bag! "And NOW!" grinned the Grinch, "I will pocket their Rings." And the Grinch grabbed the Rings, and he started to shove when he heard a small sound like the coo of a dove. He turned around fast, and off flew his hood. Little Lisa-Bi Gay behind him sad ly stood. The Grinch had been caught by small Lisa-Bi. She stared at the Grinch and said, "My, oh, my, why?" "Why are you taking our Wedding Rings? WHY?" But, you know, that old Grinch was so smart and so slick He thought up a lie, and he thought it up quick! "Why, my sweet little tot," the fake Shepherd sneered, "The judges are evil, the other states weird." "I'll fix the rings there and I'll bring them back here." It was quarter past dawn... All the Gays, still a-bed, all the Gays still a-snooze when he packed up and fled. "Pooh-Pooh to the Gays!" he was grinch-ish-ly humming. "They're finding out now no Gay Marriage is coming!" "Their mouths will hang open a minute or two then the Gays down in Gayville will all cry Boo-Hoo!" He stared down at Gayville! The Grinch popped his eyes! Then he shook! What he saw was a shocking surprise! Every Gay down in Gayville, the tall and the small, was kissing! Without any bennies at all! He HADN'T stopped Marriage from coming! IT CAME! Somehow or other, it came just the same! And the Grinch, with his grinch-feet ice-cold in the snow, stood puzzling and puzzling: "How could it be so?" "It came without lawyers, no papers to sort!" "It came without licenses, came without courts!" And he puzzled three hours, till his puzzler was sore. Then the Grinch thought of something he hadn't before! "Maybe Marriage," he thought, "doesn't come from the court. Maybe Marriage...perhaps... comes right from the heart. Maybe Marriage comes from all the words the Gays say. Words like Husband, like Wedding, and Spouse who is Gay." And what happened then...? Well...in Gayville they say that the Grinch's small brain grew three sizes that day! And the Gays had their Weddings. They promised for life. They swore to be faithful, to Wife and her Wife. The Husbands were happy, to each other they vowed To be Out and be Honest, be Gay and be Proud. They told all their neighbors and friends of their Spouse, They told of their Marriage and sharing their house. They said "We got Married." They shouted it loud. Their marital status was "Married and Proud." And the minute his heart didn't feel quite so tight, He whizzed with his load through the bright morning light. And he brought back the rings, cake and Gay birdseed bags! And he... ...HE HIMSELF... hung the Gay Rainbow Flag! The Lord looked down, at the proud and the tall, and said "These are my children, and I love them all." The moral of this story is that we don't need a piece of paper........... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:58:04 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Brenda Russell This is cool Jerry! I am supposed to go see her Dec. 2nd with Dave Koz' Christmas show and I may get a chance to meet her after the show. I would love to have a chance to chat briefly about these lyrics!!!!!!! Thanks for sharing this! (Crossing fingers now!) Sherelle Jerry wrote: Brenda Russell9s new cd Between the Sun and Moon has a song on it that she also wrote called It9s a Jazz Day. From the lyrics: Mingus this, Mingus that Joni showed me where9s it at. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:05:40 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Brenda Russell Sorry, Sherelle. She has bowed out of the tour. Jerry > This is cool Jerry! > > I am supposed to go see her Dec. 2nd with Dave Koz' Christmas show and I may > get a chance to meet her after the show. I would love to have a chance to > chat briefly about these lyrics!!!!!!! Thanks for sharing this! (Crossing > fingers now!) > > Sherelle > > > Jerry wrote: > > Brenda Russell9s new cd Between the Sun and Moon has a song on it that she > also wrote called It9s a Jazz Day. From the lyrics: > > Mingus this, Mingus that > Joni showed me where9s it at. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:11:06 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Brenda Russell Gasp! Double Gasp!!!!! Oh well! Thanks for sharing that with me. There are a few people I am going with who I definitely need to tell (she says with trepidation!) Love, sherelle >From: Jerry Notaro >To: Sherelle Smith >CC: Joni List >Subject: Re: Brenda Russell >Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:05:40 -0500 > >Sorry, Sherelle. She has bowed out of the tour. > >Jerry > > > This is cool Jerry! > > > > I am supposed to go see her Dec. 2nd with Dave Koz' Christmas show and I >may > > get a chance to meet her after the show. I would love to have a chance >to > > chat briefly about these lyrics!!!!!!! Thanks for sharing this! >(Crossing > > fingers now!) > > > > Sherelle > > > > > > Jerry wrote: > > > > Brenda Russell9s new cd Between the Sun and Moon has a song on it that >she > > also wrote called It9s a Jazz Day. From the lyrics: > > > > Mingus this, Mingus that > > Joni showed me where9s it at. > > > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:34:46 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Rolling Stone Magazine's "500 Greatest Songs of All Time" http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/253583p-216956c.html "And how did the celebrity panel - which included Joni Mitchell, "David Letterman" bandleader Paul Shaffer and Daily News critic-at-large David Hinckley - decide a Sonny and Cher song, "I Got You Babe" (No. 444), was worthy of the list?" Dr Joan on the celebrety panel????? hmmm! I wonder how many and which of her own songs made the list. Anyone know? Thanks, Brian in South Jersey np: npr - Day to Day ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:37:57 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: "You seen too many movies, Myrtle!" Made me smile to realize that "Myrtel's" lyric (Face Lift) - "Snap Out Of it!" - which comes right after "You seen too many movies, Joni!" - is, no other than one of THE classic movies lines. I guess Myrtel's favourite movie line is from Moonstruck, when Cher says: "Snap out of it!" to Nicolas Cage after he tells her he loves her.:) And Brian G's post was why i came to think of it! Thanks, Brian! Nuriel Discover all thats new in My Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:13:21 -0500 From: Subject: US Election 2004, njc If any of these accusations were true, the New York Times would be reporting it. They've said very little about the election except to say that New Yorkers were generally disappointed. The real news is not election irregularities! The real news is we liberated Falluja... Again. By my count this is the third time we've liberated the same town and this time several dozen souls were lost on our side. In addition, Colin Powell, who was one of very small handful of people who tried to shake Bush to his senses before the war, is quitting. In his place will be Dr. Rice who was one of the people who agreed with anything the President said on Iraq. She's an expert on the former USSR. On top of that, some people are accusing Iran of having a nuclear program. "Once more to the breach." I think *NOT*. On to the real issues, my friends. Sincerely, Jim L'Hommedieu Covington, KY PS, remember those NJC tags or we'll lose the ability to discuss politics on the JMDL. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:26:06 -0500 From: Subject: what you can do-- please do something njc Wow. I wonder if she knows that altering votes is a felony. Maybe she'll be doing time along side Martha Stewart. If she really did change data, why would she publicize it? It doesn't "wash". It only makes sense to me as a hoax. On the other hand, more than 40 soldiers are *confirmed dead in Fallujah. Sincerely, Jim Kate Bennett wrote: > Far more interesting to me is the work of Bev Harris (the black box voting > site)... you can actually read her book there... I've been reading about her > findings over the past year or so & they are sobering... she actually > stumbled across computer voting data (somehow I am no techie) that should > have been confidential & was able to alter it... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:26:11 -0600 From: patti haskins Subject: H.O.P.E. Hi all, Has the group H.O.P.E. been mentioned. Here's their link and an excerpt from the home page: http://www.hopeinamerica.com/default.html H.O.P.E. (Horrified Observers of Pedestrian Entertainment) and Rhino Records are offering the good people of America who have been duped into buying Ashlee Simpson's CD a reprieve; the opportunity to turn in her CD for one of a higher entertainment quality. Elvis Costello, The Ramones, X, Jimmy Page and Robert Plant, Aretha Franklin, Mr. Bungle, Ray Charles, Abe Lincoln Story, Grateful Dead, Neil Hamburger, Joni Mitchell, and Brian Wilson. Due to the overwhelming response, and the public's suggestions of other substandard artists for trade, this exchange will continue indefinitely and will be expanded to include other artists who are detrimental to the public's well being. Starting immediately we will also accept any Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez, Nick Lachay, Jessica Simpson, Creed, Paris Hilton, Limp Bizkit, and any boy band albums for trade. Patti in Dallas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:15:39 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: what you can do-- please do something njc jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > On the other hand, more than 40 soldiers are *confirmed dead in Fallujah. > That figure is very low, unless you're just counting "our" side. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:21:19 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: piggies NJC Lucy, Your post reminds me of my mom & how she insisted we wear dresses (never pants!) when we went into New York City. I had to wear white gloves to Church on Sunday which I hated . the material was confining & claustrophobic to me. when I got older my costume going into the city was 'hippy'. as raggedy as can be. jeans & t shirts. I idolized the carnaby street fashion look. you were so lucky to have been there in person! Lucy >My first visit to London was when I was 8 (so that was 1965) and my sister and I had to wear dresses, gloves and smart clothes (trousers were frowned upon on young ladies in London) and my mother wore a dress, matching coat and a hat and gloves. We went to Greenwich to stay at the Naval college where my father was a lecturer. We arrived in London on the train and it was an astonishing thing for us to be going anywhere really... visiting the CAPITAL CITy was a dream come true. My father met us at Waterloo station and off we went for the day We went on the top of a London bus, everything was so loud and fast and busy and colourful. We went down Carnaby street and I bought a facsimile of the street sign (which I kept for about 20 years!). < ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #464 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)