From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #462 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 16 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 462 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Covers & Cash [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Floyd's Animals NJC ["bill johnson" ] Re: Floyd's Animals NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Death taxes, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Death taxes, njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: OT (flagrant self-promotion, part 2) CJCC 3rd Anniversary Concert (Now NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] RE: New Joni cover coming in January (onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #325) ["Timot] Big Yellow Taxi - (Guarantess and Insecurities) [Nuriel Tobias ] funk, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] funk, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] RE: funk, njc ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: Big Yellow Taxi - (Guarantess and Insecurities) [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: goodbye ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: goodbye [Nuriel Tobias ] politics and life, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: New Joni cover coming in January (onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #325) NJC [SC] Re: politics and life, njc activism [Em ] Fwd: Re: politics and life, njc activism... OOPS!!!!! [Em ] Re: Depressed Democrat cartoon njc [Brian Gross ] Re: politics and life, njc activism [Lori Fye ] (NJC) New Republican Seal [Lori Fye ] Re: Fwd: Re: politics and life, njc activism... OOPS!!!!! [Catherine McKa] RE: [NortheastJonifest] what you can do-- please do something njc ["Kate ] Re: ["FredNow" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 03:11:36 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Covers & Cash Joni may be retired, but her songs are anything but! 2004 was a HUGE year for Joni covers and 2005 promises to be killer as well. Yes, Joni may be laughing all the way to the bank with songwriting and publishing royalties these days (more power to her, I say), probably as much or more than ever. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:30:50 -0600 From: "bill johnson" Subject: Floyd's Animals NJC Bob, thanks for the memories..hearing the whole 17 min song Dogs on the radio. In '77 or so I started listening to the "hippie" station WXRT . They would play it in entirety. Fast forward to the present and XRT is now CBS owned, still the best in town, but not the hip independant they used to be. I called a rock radio vet at XRT and dared him to play the entire 17 min version, and not the bogus 9min edited version and he said...."lets just say its not in the cards!" For a Joni tie-in this was the station I first heard Hissing of Summer Lawns and was attracted to the jazzy chords.This is when I started to be a Joni fan, and not just aware of her. All for now..Bill from IL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:28:05 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Floyd's Animals NJC **...."lets just say its not in the cards!" Thanks Bill - isn't it sad that creative DJ'ing is rarely "in the cards" anymore? To that end, I will gush once more about how cool XM radio is. I was at the gym yesterday and heard "Otis & Marlena", followed by Dylan's "Simple Twist of Fate". (On XM channel 40 - Deep Tracks) The Sunday before it was "Song For Sharon", followed by Dylan's "You're A Big Girl Now". Hmmm, do you think the DJ might be fond of mid 70's Joni & Blood On The Tracks? Can't blame him as that's just about as good as it gets for me. Bob NP: XTC, "Reel by Reel" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:32:13 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Death taxes, njc What are death taxes? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:57:06 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Death taxes, njc > What are death taxes? > > Laurent > It is a Republican term for estate taxes. Since they don't kick in until about $300,000 most of we Americans have nothing to worry about. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:58:30 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: OT (flagrant self-promotion, part 2) CJCC 3rd Anniversary Concert (Now NJC) Hi Fred! So sorry to hear that you are sick. You are definitely a trooper! Thank you for the update. I am so glad that it went well. Fascinating is a good word to describe the different interpretations these jazz artists had on the same piece of music...creativity at its finest and the essence of what jazz is all about! Wow! I bet the audience was dazzled by the different interpretations as well. I hope your group does this again soon! I really wish PBS would pick up on it so the rest of us could see it! It's a thought to pursue. I am a firm believer in letting as many people share the gift and talent of creativity in the world of the arts. Anyway, feel better and feel good about what transpired at that concert. It is a good feeling to give a great performance. Somehow, it is etched in the mind to be recalled as a moment of triumph. Thanks for sharing about it!!!!! Love, Sherelle >From: FredNow@aol.com >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com ("Sherelle Smith") >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: OT (flagrant self-promotion, part 2) CJCC 3rd Anniversary >Concert (Now NJC) >Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:35:19 -0500 > >Hi Sherelle, > >Thanks once again for your good wishes. > >The concert went very well despite that I'm sicker than a sick dog today >... bad cold. > >It was fascinating how differently these pieces turned out, almost >unrecognizably so, having been spawned by the same chords or same melody. > >All the best, >Fred > > > >In an email dated Sun, 14 11 2004 3:52:29 pm GMT, "Sherelle Smith" > writes: > > >Hi Fred! > > > >I am so glad you are a part of this collective! It sounds so very >exciting > >and creative! I wish I could be there! You see...you are living your >dream! > >Please let us know (those of us who cannot attend) how it went! > > > >Sherelle > > > > > >Fred wrote: > > > >Dear friends, well-wishers, and both the disconsolate and the consolable: > > > >I hope you can make it to this very special event. The Chicago Jazz > >Composers Collective celebrates its third anniversary in a concert > >presenting one composition from each composer. > > > >This year we're doing something a little different, loosely based on the > >Surrealist parlor game "The Exquisite Corpse." Half of the composers have > >harmonized a melody composed by Jo Ann Daugherty, and the other half have > >melodized a set of chords composed by Kelly Brand. It's pretty wild how > >differently the resulting compositions turned out. > > > >Come for the great music, stay for the great hang. > > > >Your fred, > >Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:24:00 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: votes counted, njc Kate wrote: >I know how important it is for us all to >know exactly how & if all of our votes were counted. It is at the very >heart of our country's health. I think many people (maybe not all) would agree that it is very important to have all the votes counted. . and there needs to be an attempt at a valid ballot check and re-check . . Right now, a paper trail in every state sounds good. (and I don't believe we had this). Perhaps we can come up with an even better solution soon. We can send people in outer space . . . I, for one, was so s u r p r i s e d Bush won . . so very surprised . . . astonished! mystified!. . . . . . that I thought a valid paper trail was in order. or some kind of check. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:22:23 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: RE: New Joni cover coming in January (onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #325) On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Bob Muller SCJoniGuy@aol.com> wrote (on Subject: New Joni cover from Ju >Joni may be retired, but her songs are anything but! 2004 was a HUGE year >for Joni covers and 2005 promises to be killer as well. I just heard that >none >other than Judy Collins herself will kick off the new year with a cover of >"That Song About The Midway" on her new release in January. > >More on this story as it develops. > >Bob, 1625 Joni covers strong > >NP: X, "Make The Music Go Bang" Comment: Did you hear Judy performing "That Song About The Midway" on her new release -- whose title will be "Portrait" -- in January by hearing Judy singing that, and some other songs, live on Public Radio International's "Mountain Stage"? If not, see if you can catch up with it. I heard said program Sunday from 5-7 p.m. on WKHS, Worton, Md., simulcasting the signal from WXPN, Philadelphia. Another staion in my region, WSDL -- studio in Salisbury, Md., licensed to provide a city-grade signal in Ocean City, Md., from transmitting facilities in Frankford, Del. -- recently started playing "Mountain Stage" on Sundays at 7 p.m. and on Saturdays at 4. If you go the Web site for Mountain Stage, you can find what stations, if any, in your region play it, and which stations stream it online, therefore available anywhere in the world for those equipped for streaming Intenet audio. As different stations play this program at different times, maybe one or more will still air -- and stream -- this in the coming week. Anyway, Judy's rendition of "That Song About The Midway" is much like Joni's and Bonnie Raitt's recordings in overall flavor, but, of course, it's Judy's voice -- which is still fine at age 65.5. Judy, whom I have seen and heard perform live seven times -- more than any other major artist -- is coming to Annapolis, Md.'s, Ramshead Tavern Live Onstage on Dec. 2 -- about 60 mi./108 km from me. However, the nominal price of a ticket is $71.50, and tax is additional, and a handling charge for online or telephone purchases (avoidable if purchased at the door, if not sold out) is on top of that, and I shall not be going. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:56:12 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Big Yellow Taxi - (Guarantess and Insecurities) Hi my Friends, A question regarding the term "Big Yellow Taxi". If you don't mind, a short "introduction" to my question:) While poetry (need i say, Joni's first of all) leaves me breathless - i'm really loving it when a silly pop-lyric, a "hit" by some silly pop-girl, that everyobody dances too but don't hear a word said in it, is as much as poetry as poetry may be. (In it's silly-popness lyric style). Anyway, one of my all times silly-pop lyrics (which i find to be a lovely silly-pop-poetry) is Jantet Jackson's major 80's hit "The Pleasure Priniciple". (I've added the lyrics by the end of the post, in case you're interested in finding out what i think is "lovely silly-pop-poetry") Anyway, one of the lyrics in Jante's song, is: "It's true you want to build your life on guarantees Hey, take a ride in a big yellow taxi I'm not here to feed your insecurities I wanted you to love me". My question is 1. Is the term "Big Yellow Taxi" an American expression that Joni used? 2. Is it a term that Joni invented? ( I know that Taxies are yellow and often big, but - 3. In case it is a Joni expression that Janet quated (and surely she's aware of Joni's song) - What has taking a ride in a big yellow taxi has to do with one's obsession to "Build his life on guarantess" and "Feeding one's insecurities"? I'd love to know and learn for i see now that "Big Yellow Taxi" is an expression that has a "secret" meaning i'm not aware of:) Yours, Nuriel (Here's Janet song - THE PLEASURE PRINCIPLE) You might think I'm crazy but I'm serious It's better you know now What I thought was happiness was only part time bliss You can take a bow It was all just one big night out on the town Riding in your limousine We turned right and I said wrong which brings us to a stop As the light is changing Oh my meters running so I got to go now It's the pleasure principle It's true you want to build your life on guarantees Hey, take a ride in a big yellow taxi I'm not here to feed your insecurities I wanted you to love me This has become an all too familiar scene It's not the first time I paid the fare Where'd you get the idea of material possession? Thank you for the ride nowhere And oh my meters running so I've really got to go It's the pleasure principle I know, what you mean to me Baby this is nowhere You know what came in between you and me, human differential It's the pleasure principle You might say that I'm no good for you I wouldn't trust your looks, baby, if I could I got so many things I wanna do, before I'm through It's the pleasure principle Baby you can't hold me down Baby you can't hold me down now After all that night that we've been through After all you've put me through Love me Just love me Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:52:27 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi - (Guarantess and Insecurities) Since "wanted" is in the past tense, I assume the "take a ride..." line means "get out of my life." (and don't slam the screen door behind you.) LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:11:46 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: New Joni cover coming in January I heard Judy sing this live only once, the first time I saw her, the Meriwether Post Pavilion, 1968. It was after the huge success of Wildflowers. She also sang My Father, Someday Soon, and others that would end up on her Who Knows Where the Time Goes album which followed. I'm sure it was considered for inclusion on that record, especially since the success of Chelsea Morning. Jerry > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004, Bob Muller SCJoniGuy@aol.com> wrote (on Subject: New > Joni cover from Ju> >> Joni may be retired, but her songs are anything but! 2004 was a HUGE year >> for Joni covers and 2005 promises to be killer as well. I just heard that >> none >> other than Judy Collins herself will kick off the new year with a cover of >> "That Song About The Midway" on her new release in January. >> >> More on this story as it develops. >> >> Bob, 1625 Joni covers strong >> >> NP: X, "Make The Music Go Bang" > > > Comment: > > Did you hear Judy performing "That Song About The Midway" on her new > release -- whose title will be "Portrait" -- in January by hearing Judy > singing that, and some other songs, live on Public Radio International's > "Mountain Stage"? If not, see if you can catch up with it. I heard said > program Sunday from 5-7 p.m. on WKHS, Worton, Md., simulcasting the signal > from WXPN, Philadelphia. Another staion in my region, WSDL -- studio in > Salisbury, Md., licensed to provide a city-grade signal in Ocean City, Md., > from transmitting facilities in Frankford, Del. -- recently started playing > "Mountain Stage" on Sundays at 7 p.m. and on Saturdays at 4. If you go the > Web site for Mountain Stage, you can find what stations, if any, in your > region play it, and which stations stream it online, therefore available > anywhere in the world for those equipped for streaming Intenet audio. As > different stations play this program at different times, maybe one or more > will still air -- and stream -- this in the coming week. > > Anyway, Judy's rendition of "That Song About The Midway" is much like > Joni's and Bonnie Raitt's recordings in overall flavor, but, of course, it's > Judy's voice -- which is still fine at age 65.5. Judy, whom I have seen and > heard perform live seven times -- more than any other major artist -- is > coming to Annapolis, Md.'s, Ramshead Tavern Live Onstage on Dec. 2 -- about > 60 mi./108 km from me. However, the nominal price of a ticket is $71.50, and > tax is additional, and a handling charge for online or telephone purchases > (avoidable if purchased at the door, if not sold out) is on top of that, and > I shall not be going. > > Tim Spong > Dover, Del., U.S.A. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:44:05 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: funk, njc >From: "Kate Bennett" >I can understand why people are in a funk... its only >been days since the election & many had great hopes of our country & this >world taking a turn in a different direction (the reasons are many). We human seem to have to purge a whole lot before we can heal and begin anew. I do, I have noticed. (in general, when I am upset about something) Joni seems to purge quite a bit too. Go for it , Joni. I think this purging is a good thing. It is extra nice when you have a loved one around who is willing to listen. . over and over and. . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get it out. . . before you can take it in. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:51:05 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: funk, njc >From: "Kate Bennett" >I can understand why people are in a funk... its only >been days since the election & many had great hopes of our country & this >world taking a turn in a different direction (the reasons are many). We humans seem to have to PURGE a whole lot before we can heal and begin anew. I DO. I have noticed. (in general, when I am upset about something) Joni seems to purge sometimes too. And if she needs to repeat herself, I say good for you Joni. I think this purging is a good thing. It is extra nice when you have a loved one around who is willing to listen. . over and over and over . . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get it out. . . before you can take in anew. That is what a good friend does for you, they l i s t e n. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:19:14 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: funk, njc Yes, they listen. Hard for some to do. Why is that, I wonder? Seems to me we all need listening to at times, and all need to be the ones who listen at other times. You'd think it would all balance out, but oftentimes it doesn't... I just got a MoveOn.org email in which they are looking to have house parties where folks gather and there is a national meeting through the "magic" of speakerphones. What a thought, a whole nation of folks speaking and listening and figuring how to get out of this funk and go on. Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: Marianne Rizzo [mailto:treegreen1@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 1:51 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: funk, njc >From: "Kate Bennett" >I can understand why people are in a funk... its only >been days since the election & many had great hopes of our country & this >world taking a turn in a different direction (the reasons are many). We humans seem to have to PURGE a whole lot before we can heal and begin anew. I DO. I have noticed. (in general, when I am upset about something) Joni seems to purge sometimes too. And if she needs to repeat herself, I say good for you Joni. I think this purging is a good thing. It is extra nice when you have a loved one around who is willing to listen. . over and over and over . . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get it out. . . before you can take in anew. That is what a good friend does for you, they l i s t e n. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:35:01 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi - (Guarantess and Insecurities) Do you mean that the idea of "one's getting out of one's life" started with that "Old Man taken away" in Joni's "Big Yellow Taxi" or is a "Big Yellow Taxi" ride means, in the U.S.A. - bye bye, love? Nuriel p.s. Notice that Janet song is all about riding in a man's fancy car, trying to impress the girl with money and stuff, so it could be that she meant to say something like "Wanna feel what's it like to be an ordinary girl? Take a ride in a cab. But we're not here do talk about Janet's songs... Dflahm@aol.com wrote: Since "wanted" is in the past tense, I assume the "take a ride..." line means "get out of my life." (and don't slam the screen door behind you.) LAHM Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 13:42:05 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Covers & Cash Hi Bryan, Sorry, love, but what exactly is that power you were talking about?...Tell me you were kidding...You weren't, right?:) Love (or money) Nuriel BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: Joni may be retired, but her songs are anything but! 2004 was a HUGE year for Joni covers and 2005 promises to be killer as well. Yes, Joni may be laughing all the way to the bank with songwriting and publishing royalties these days (more power to her, I say), probably as much or more than ever. Bryan The all-new My Yahoo!  Get yours free! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:00:15 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: goodbye No! No! No! No one hit the road! Please remain calm! I've been with this list almost since its inception and I have seen many people come and go and come back again. Take a break if you need to...delete the digests for a while or just become a lurker but don't leave! We have become a network of friends as well as a family and trust me, after doing that, when you walk away...it is very painful because we're all kind of joined at the hip with each other no matter how vehemently we disagree. Sometimes you have to take a break from the list to find your direction with your "life path". Sometimes the list gets in the way of it. Sometimes it is part of the direction. There is much to learn here about ourselves and each other here. It can be very painful but I have found that what is more painful (If you are not really sure about it) is to walk away from the list and unsubscribe. There's an emptiness there that from my experience is hard to describe. I am just asking that if you want to walk away from the list, know that you know that this is what you want to do. From my experience, if you walk away because you are hurt or because you feel that you offended someone, it just leaves a bigger hole in your heart and magnifies the sadness you are already feeling. If indeed it is time for a permanent change then there is a brighter horizon waiting for you. I just hate to see people unsubscribe in haste. There is more to this list than meets the eye. It is so unlike any other. Okay, back to my corner.... Sherelle Em wrote: I don't recall brandishing a pitchfork. But if I did, please let me know - I will hit the highway too. Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:59:49 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: goodbye Victor...Please...Please don't...I remember that day, was really a bad day, then i listened to one of your songs...And in your music i found peace...YOU ARE PEACE, Victor...Saying goodbye is when all your dreams fade and die...but they never do...Surely not yours...Don't let this goodbye echo in your head once you're out there...there's no peace out there, Victor...none wheatsoever...this madhouse is where it's at...Please don't...oh no no no...The only way is down... Yours, Nuri Victor Johnson wrote: > [Original Message] > From: Em > To: Victor Johnson ; Lori Fye > Cc: > Date: 11/14/04 6:12:35 AM > Subject: Re: politics and the list NJC PC - and depression > > --- Victor Johnson wrote: > > No I don't believe that all people CHOOSE to be depressed. > > Just wishing you peace, Victor. > > Em > > Thank you. I'm tired of this squabbling. It does not bring me peace. I've been on this list since early 1999, have attended paz fest and five jonifests, and immortalized them in the song, Parsonage Lane, written on Sept 10, 2001. But maybe its time to move on. I can't take this anymore. Victor "I'm not one who make believes I know that leaves are green They only turn to brown when autumn comes around I know just what I say Today's not yesterday And all things have an ending" Stevie Wonder - Visions Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:22:32 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: politics and life, njc >To tell you the truth, the election did not affect me at all. Well, to me I am very affected by the election. I shudder at the environmental initiatives or lack there of from the administration. I wish I could be comprehensive.. semi automatic rifles are okay, lack of coalition building among our once allies no marriage for gay people. . liberty and justice for all protection of the fetus, fine, but the death penalty is okay. . enter christian right less troops in iraq. .. why? the lack of coalitions. . loved ones coming home? civilian deaths a platform based on fear fallujah, . .many insurgents escaped to other parts of iraq coalitions could have help completely surround the territory? privitization of social security. . corporations and their funding of the repuiblicans. . why do you think? civilian deaths civilian deaths Guantanamo (sp?) Are you willing to give up a family member to this war the emperor clean air clean water mercury cancer carcinogins no green house effect, no global warmiing. . remember kyoto? sorry don't know the spelling. the only thing the president has asked of the county to do is to spend money energy policy, what's that? ("where's that at. . if you want me. . . . ") health care I forgot a lot the rich getting richer military industrial complex civilan deaths no editing tonight add to my list stardust golden Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:39:28 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: New Joni cover coming in January (onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #325) NJC **Did you hear Judy performing "That Song About The Midway" on her new release -- whose title will be "Portrait" -- in January by hearing Judy singing that, and some other songs, live on Public Radio International's "Mountain Stage"? Hi Tim - I didn't hear the broadcast, Mountain Stage is a great show though. The only way I know about the performance and also about the upcoming release was thanks to an alert and very considerate person that sent me an email. It made my weekend to scoop Notaro on it. And hey, I scooped YOU on it too - double bonus! Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "Four Sticks" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:35:04 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: politics and life, njc activism so what are we gonna do??? How to be an activist. I need to be a behind the scenes activist because I have social anxiety disorder. Those people, from, say, Move On PAC - what brave BRAVE people. Doing the scariest thing in the world - cold calling door to door to sell peace. God bless them What what what, can we do so this doesn't continue? That old saying "if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem"....well it asolutely RINGSSSS in my ears these days. It haunts me. Em ps and this is the first time EVER in my life I've been so affected by an erection - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > >To tell you the truth, the election did not affect me at all. > > Well, to me I am very affected by the election. > > I shudder at the environmental initiatives or lack there of from the > administration. > I wish I could be comprehensive.. > semi automatic rifles are okay, > lack of coalition building among our once allies > no marriage for gay people. . > liberty and justice for all > protection of the fetus, fine, but the death penalty is okay. . enter > > christian right > less troops in iraq. .. why? the lack of coalitions. . loved ones > coming > home? > civilian deaths > a platform based on fear > fallujah, . .many insurgents escaped to other parts of iraq > coalitions could have help completely surround the territory? > privitization of social security. . > corporations and their funding of the repuiblicans. . why do you > think? > civilian deaths > civilian deaths > Guantanamo (sp?) > Are you willing to give up a family member to this war > the emperor > clean air clean water > mercury > cancer > carcinogins > no green house effect, no global warmiing. . > remember kyoto? sorry don't know the spelling. > the only thing the president has asked of the county to do is to > spend money > energy policy, what's that? ("where's that at. . if you want me. . . > . ") > health care > I forgot a lot > the rich getting richer > military industrial complex > civilan deaths > no editing tonight > add to my list > stardust > golden > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the > Back to > School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:41:31 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Fwd: Re: politics and life, njc activism... OOPS!!!!! :O Oops, meant, you know...eLection.. em - --- Em wrote: well it asolutely RINGSSSS in my ears these days. It > haunts > me. > Em > ps and this is the first time EVER in my life I've been so affected > by > an erection ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:43:40 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Depressed Democrat cartoon njc Sending this in the spirit of trying to lighten things up a bit. Hope nobody takes it the wrong way. > > > http://www.markfiore.com/animation/depressed.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:27:08 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Depressed Democrat cartoon njc - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > Sending this in the spirit of trying to lighten things up a bit. Hope nobody > takes it the wrong > way. > > > http://www.markfiore.com/animation/depressed.html No offense taken at all Mark. I just noticed that the My Yahoo TV listings for tonight indicate that Bravo channel is offering an entire evening of West Wing for those who long for the Blue. Me, I'll be watching the 7-1 Eagles whoop the Dallas Cowboys on MNF. Wishing everyone well, across the globe. Brian np: Stryngs, Two Shiny Buckets (go Dr Sarah and the boys) ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:21:53 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: (njc)The post-election "weirdies": Momentary despair leads to black/weird humor(6969)... Copyright 2004 by the author, from the Better Living Series Hi, all: Last time I was this bummed after an election was, not surprisingly, right after Reagan got reelected, to my complete and utter astonishment. Twenty years later, I guess I'm too old to be astonished anymore, but I'm still bummed. Here in tree-huggin' Green Partyish, commie-pinko San Francisco, I've noticed for the most part that people seem to be trying to be kind to each others, like people comforting each other as they try to eat Deviled-ham-on Ritz and fruit-cocktail-in-green-jello on flimsy paper plates at grandma's after great aunt Martha's funeral. A day or two after the election, I was at the Walgreen's at 18th and Castro (gay central in SF, if not for the world), which has expanded in the 14 years since I arrived, so that it is now only slightly larger than my home state of Rhode Island. I'd already had a giggly time at several other shops in the neighborhood, just chatting idly with acquaintances and shop owners I've known for years, so I was feeling slightly better than I had since late Tuesday night/early Wednesday morning. Anyway, I'm in the back section heading to the cash register with lots of stuff when I realize there's a younger man (say 30-something) with maybe three gray hairs who's holding a small box of a product I can identify from 20 paces. Let's call the product "Only For Guys". I have been known to use the version of the product intended for beards, as much of mine is going prematurely blond. The young gentleman is closer to the cash register than I am, but not making any progress in that direction, and the charming Phillipina woman who usually runs the register there is eyeing him bemusedly. I cleared my throat and said, "I've got a whole bunch of stuff, why don't you go ahead of me?" All this served to do was to make the young man jump, tossing the box into the air where it arced through the air, bounced off me and fell onto the floor. I picked it up, handed it to him, and said, sotto voce, "Don't worry, kiddo, you're secret's safe with me." All this served to do was to make him blush deeply (puzzling me -- every gay guy over a certain age has at least *tried* some version of the product), but he thanked me and went ahead of me. He said to the checkout woman, "Um, I don't know how exactly to phrase this question, but how would this product work south of the Mason Dixon line?" *Now* I understood his hesitation, and I laughed, not so much at the thought of using the product down south, but at the look on the cashier's face as she wondered who Mason Dixon was. So, of course, I jumped in, pointing out that I probably had more first-hand knowledge of the product than the cashier, and that, yes, it would probably work fine down there... This reminded me of a happier time outside the same Walgreen's, twelve years ago -- it was during the '92 Olympics. Right as a friend and I approached 18th and Castro, I noticed that someone had put out a large segment of his magazine porn collection on the sidewalk for resale. I was just thinking that this was perhaps unwise to do at such a busy intersection when, sure enough, someone decided to make a mad dash across the street after the light had changed. Having managed to just miss being hit by a car, he thought he was home free -- until he landed on the sea of porno. Naturally, he slid across it until he slammed into the Walgreens. My friend Rodney and I ran over to him and made sure he was all right, and then, as we walked away, I said, "Rodney, we have just witness the birth of a new Olympic sport." "What?" "Porn Skating, freestyle." In other news: I was chatting with a fellow jmdler (clue: his last name rhymes with "Smurphy") who suggested that the ever-present I-pods would perhaps be better called "me-Pods". Of course, jokes about the tuning out of the human animal have been circulated since the first appearance of Walkmans during the '80's, but it does seem more and more specially with the proliferation of cell phones, that people spend more time with people that aren't physically present that with people who are. Old Lily Tomlin joke: We should pair up the schizophrenics who talk to people who aren't there with the catatonics, so at least there would appear to be a conversation going on. Everyone I know remembers the first time they saw, on a park bench or on a bus, a person who indeed seemed to be having a lively conversation with someone not present, only to finally spot the headset. The other day I was in a pharmacy waiting room when I noticed that every other person waiting was on their cell phone -- no, wait, one guy was talking to his reading glasses! Thank god, old-fashioned schizos still exist! But wait, no, he had a headset, he was merely gesturing with the glasses. Naturally, I had to (cell-)call my husband to tell him about this. As soon as I got off the phone, a strange young man got in one of the lines. Tall and bespectacled, he had dyed his longish, probably originally light-brown hair platinum, then somehow added a sickly pale blue-green sheen to it. As he stood in line, he held very strictly to a rather autistic 27-degrees-to-starboard stance, staring more or less into space. After he'd put in his prescription, he proceeded to stand in a series of locations in the waiting room, always in a pointlessly odd orientation to the people and objects surrounding him. There was something vaguely familiar about him, and it was driving me crazy until I realized he was channeling Warhol, or at least hoping people would compare him to the late, putative artist. Maybe if he pulled a can of Campbell's (tm) Tomato Soup out of his ass, or drew a large plus mark on a wall and sketched in negatives of some famous person in each quadrant... I got tired of the waiting room, but couldn't leave without my Rx, so I went outside to get some fresh air. Shortly the Warhol wannabe came out, crossed the street, and stood with other people at the bus stop. I went back in, found my name was finally on the electronic board, and got my prescription. When I came back out and crossed the street, I was slightly surprised to find the pseudo-Warhol still waiting(?) for the bus. When seconds later, one pulled up, he managed to stand in place, not-quite-but-almost-in-the-way, while people flowed around him to get on the bus. I rode the bus for several blocks -- it was a slow ride, rush hour -- and then got off on the street where my mailbox is. A block down the street, I stopped in my tracks, truly alarmed, when I saw the Warhol standing (pointlessly, need it be said) outside a Burger King. My mind reeled -- could invading aliens have modeled their human forms on the mistaken assumption that Andy Warhol, possibly seen from a TV show from 30 years ago... Invasion of the Warholians!!! Until I realized that, it being rush hour, there were express buses in addition to the locals, and in spite of his thousand-yard stare in apparently random directions, *he'd* had the good sense to wait for an express. And finally: I was chatting with my first ex-husband and close friend John about Martha Stewart's having checked into the slammer and we were speculating as to what they might have found during the body cavity search. John said that, among other things, they made newly arriving inmates squat down and cough (no, I didn't ask how he would know this). We both what on earth might have popped out. Suddenly, I realized the answer: in a perfect reversal of the extremely old and tired joke about men in prison, when Martha stooped down and coughed, out would pop: SOAP! Of course! As they took it away, she would wait: "No pleeeeease, the stuff you have here will *ruin* my skin..." Love to all and sundry, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:44:42 -0500 From: Subject: "Piggies", njc I'm not calling anybody a pig. Now, I have (uhh) an unauthorized collection of some of the tracks that became the white album. On its version of "Piggies", George sings, "clutching forks and knives to cut their pork chops." BTW, in "Chronicles", Bob Dylan mentions "Do You Want to Know a Secret" in passing beccuase it was on the radio when something else was happening. He said something like, "The Beatles were so easy to listen to. That song was basically a 50s ditty, a sentimental throw-away, but they did it perfectly. There's nothing wussy about it." Sometimes I think this Dylan guy has a talent with the words, ya know? All the best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:13:06 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: politics and life, njc activism Em admitted: > ps and this is the first time EVER in my life I've been so affected by > an erection Bwwah-ha-ha-ha!! LOL!! Chortle! Snort. EM!!! : D You just made my day. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:29:14 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) New Republican Seal Disclaimer: This "seal" didn't originate with me; I received it from friends and then saved and uploaded it to my website. Caution: Content is of a ... er ... um ... sexual nature. Sort of. I guess. For your viewing and consideration: http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/rep_seal.gif ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:35:02 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: politics and life, njc activism... OOPS!!!!! --- Em wrote: > :O > Oops, meant, you know...eLection.. > em > Yeah, yeah, suuuure you did! LO-friggin-L! > --- Em wrote: > well it asolutely RINGSSSS in my ears these days. It > > haunts > > me. > > Em > > ps and this is the first time EVER in my life I've > been so affected > > by > > an erection > ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Damn it, Joan! I'm a doctor, not a dancer! ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:57:58 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] what you can do-- please do something njc >She "expected" every registered Republican to vote for Bush and very registered Democrat to vote for Kerry. A statistician wouldn't have done that. It's not a statistically valid way to project. As it stands, this projection implies that some Dems voted for the incumbent or that a higher % of registered Republicans showed up.< Hi Jim, I think when she started tabulating this stuff she didn't know what she'd find... my understanding is that her numbers show a how some areas voted the party they had registered & in others they voted the opposite party of how they had registered... the data that she discovered that was consistent is that the voting machines were of one type (touch screen) in the first case & another type (cards read by machines) Far more interesting to me is the work of Bev Harris (the black box voting site)... you can actually read her book there... I've been reading about her findings over the past year or so & they are sobering... she actually stumbled across computer voting data (somehow I am no techie) that should have been confidential & was able to alter it... her message is that our machines are seriously flawed... >I'm sorry Kerry lost but trying to dissuade people from believing in the election process won't get change any quicker. It will alienate people from the process of change. We lost and that doesn't mean they cheated.< The point of my posts have less to do with Kerry loosing & more to do with the enormous amount of voting problems that have been reported- this weekend (& maybe today) many people spoke (in Colombus?) at a hearing under oath of the things that they encountered- I heard an interview with someone who was there & it was enlightening... I suppose this subject doesn't interest many people unless they experienced the problems themselves... I am glad they are getting a voice to be heard & things are being documented... I am glad Nadar is hand counting votes in New Hampshire to see how well the machines worked there... There are many things that happened to voters on election day that are of great concern to me... Time will tell but they are doing some kind of congressional hearing & the state I live in would not allow Diebold machines to be used for very good reasons... At any rate this subject has been something I have been concerned about ever since I learned about what Bev Harris had found... I think if you spend some time reading what Bev Harris has been doing you will understand what I am talking about more than I can convey here... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:10:24 +0100 From: "FredNow" Subject: Re: :)) [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Price.exe] ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #462 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)