From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #460 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, November 14 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 460 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: another Wallyk-Frednow Virus njc [FredNow@aol.com] Re: (brazen self promotion) Fred Simon-new album NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction [Cath] politics and the list NJC PC [Em ] Re: mandate, njc ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: politics and the list NJC PC [Lori Fye ] Re: mandate, njc now Pink Floyd [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: mandate, njc [Lori Fye ] Re: mandate, njc now Pink Floyd [Em ] Re: mandate, njc [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction [Nuri] Re: mandate, njc now hangin' out with Pink Floyd [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: common ground, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: mandate, now animules - njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: politics and the list NJC PC [Catherine McKay ] Re: mandate, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: (NJC) That separate political discussion list ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: (NJC) That separate political discussion list [Lori Fye ] msnbc video NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: mandate, now animules - njc [Susan Guzzi ] Re: politics and the list NJC PC - and depression ["Victor Johnson" >>what can i say... i'm honored to be in fred's company. >> >>wally, fred's brother in virus The weird thing is ... I feel perfectly fine! - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:46:15 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: (brazen self promotion) Fred Simon-new album NJC "Sherelle Smith" wrote: >>Wow!!!! I am so sorry! I did not know that this page existed! I went to the page and clicked on the email link to be added to the page, but the email bounced back ... mailbox too small or something. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:38:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Catherine, > > I hope you don't mind me sharing a question brought > to life by you with everyone, for though your answer > may be the...well...YOUR answer:) i hope others > would be interested in reading it too, and hopefuly > would also share their thoughts with us. > > I couldn't escape noticing that the lyric "We all > live so close to that line and so far from > satisfaction" appears at the end of all your posts. > (at least the one's i know of). > I was wondering. Why? As i see it (no deep-dugged > lyric's meaning here but the most simple one that is > obviously what's "going on" in that part of song) > "that line" is suicide. > I would be very much surprised, to say the least, to > find out that you AGREE with me:), but in case you > DO AGREE with me that "that line" is suicide - why > have you chosen that lyric as the ending of your > posts? > > Yours, > > Nuri > > p.s. (You're probably going to answer me that you've > decided to change your Joni singnature to "And a > bottle of orange juice too", right?:) I did put that in my sig. block after a suicide because when these things happen, they make me realize how close to tragedy we all live. Then I forgot to change it, because I don't see it on posts I send out - - I only see it when posts come back to me through the list. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 06:42:50 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: politics and the list NJC PC ...the thing is, by talking politics on here, aren't we being an extension of Joni's latest effort? I guess at this point in time I see politics as involving more than "government". I see it as vital interaction which affects how we live. It affects our freedom to do other, better things, like make art or have sex with whom we choose. This list is where I look (online) for the little bit of politics that my system will tolerate. I think because its tempered in reason (for the most part) and its spoken by people who mainly are very mellow. So its good to come here and dip my beak in this bit of politics set forth by people of heart and mind. As far as talking about the election, per se, well yeah its time to move on, EXCEPT that the outcome now sooooooo shapes and (dis)colors the future. If the future is gonna be shiny-happy we're gonna have to sculpt it that way, and I believe its worth talking about. Get out yer chainsaws! happy Sat.! :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:19:50 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: mandate, njc Lori wrote: <> and Catherine mentioned <> ....and don't forget Pink Floyd's "Animals" album! One song devoted entirely to 'Pigs,' one song devoted entirely to 'Sheep,' and one song devoted entirely to 'Dogs.' Great album! Mia, always running behind the times on Digest. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:27:49 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: politics and the list NJC PC > ...the thing is, by talking politics on here, aren't we being an > extension of Joni's latest effort? Yes, I believe we are. Thank you for making that most excellent point, Em. Happy Saturday to you, too! Lori, about to leave on this sunny Saturday to visit the BMW motorcycle store, just for the fun of it! : ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:34:20 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: mandate, njc now Pink Floyd **....and don't forget Pink Floyd's "Animals" album! One song devoted entirely to 'Pigs,' one song devoted entirely to 'Sheep,' and one song devoted entirely to 'Dogs.' Great album! Yes indeed - I remember hearing the entire 17-minute - one whole side of the record "Dogs" on WQDR...the good old days of FM radio. I was at work (working retail which meant standing around for 8 hours and saying "Can I Help You?" every 10 minutes or so) and I was riveted. I stood there listening to my little transistor radio the whole time, bought the LP either that same day or the next. $4.99 at Schoolkid's Records on Hillsborough St. For some reason, hardcore Floyd fans dis Animals, and I have no reason why as I think it works on every level. Heavy & dark and rocking musically, and the same applies to the lyrics. How about this cheery line: "You've got to be trusted, by the people that you lie to; So that when they turn their backs on you, you'll get the chance to stick the knife in" Classic Roger Waters! And hey, it still applies to this "mandate" concept, no? Bob NP: Eminem, the new one streaming on AOL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:35:36 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: mandate, njc Mia wrote: > ....and don't forget Pink Floyd's "Animals" album! One song devoted > entirely to 'Pigs,' one song devoted entirely to 'Sheep,' and one song > devoted entirely to 'Dogs.' Great album! And then there is the classic song by The Beatles: PIGGIES Have you seen the little piggies Crawling in the dirt And for all the little piggies Life is getting worse Always having dirt to play around in. Have you seen the bigger piggies In their starched white shirts You will find the bigger piggies Stirring up the dirt Always have clean shirts to play around in. In their styes with all their backing They don't care what goes on around In their eyes there's something lacking What they need's a damn good whacking. Everywhere there's lots of piggies Living piggy lives You can see them out for dinner With their piggy wives Clutching forks and knives to eat their bacon. One site I visited said the lyrics were written by "Unknown," but didn't George Harrison pen the song? My 8th grade English teacher -- Mr. Greg Sikorski, a two tour Vietnam medic who joined the Peace Corps after teaching English for two years -- mimeographed the lyrics to "Piggies" and introduced my class of 14-year-olds to a great discussion of the topic. What a great teacher, way ahead of his time. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 09:07:32 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: mandate, njc now Pink Floyd LOL this reminds me - went to see Pink Floyd's Animal tour, musta been maybe 1977? Anyway, besides the huge floating pigs, what sticks out in my mind is the guy sitting next to me getting my attention by burning my arm with a cigarette. And I wasn't even mad for very long. What a crazy time! Just have to shake my head. Lots of weird visions from around those days and earlier, from concerts. I remember one time laying on a blanket on the ground at an all day thing at our old fairgrounds, and most of the guys had on cut-off jeans and for some reason, quite a few (or at least some in my immedaite area) had no underwear. LMAO!!!!! helluvan' anatomy lesson! :P Em - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **....and don't forget Pink Floyd's "Animals" album! One song > devoted > entirely to 'Pigs,' one song devoted entirely to 'Sheep,' and one > song > devoted entirely to 'Dogs.' Great album! > > > > > Yes indeed - I remember hearing the entire 17-minute - one whole > side of the > record "Dogs" on WQDR...the good old days of FM radio. I was at work > > (working retail which meant standing around for 8 hours and saying > "Can I Help You?" > every 10 minutes or so) and I was riveted. I stood there listening > to my > little transistor radio the whole time, bought the LP either that > same day or > the next. $4.99 at Schoolkid's Records on Hillsborough St. > > For some reason, hardcore Floyd fans dis Animals, and I have no > reason why > as I think it works on every level. Heavy & dark and rocking > musically, and > the same applies to the lyrics. How about this cheery line: > > "You've got to be trusted, by the people that you lie to; > So that when they turn their backs on you, you'll get the chance to > stick > the knife in" > > Classic Roger Waters! And hey, it still applies to this "mandate" > concept, > no? > > Bob > > NP: Eminem, the new one streaming on AOL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:12:18 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: mandate, njc "Piggies" was covered by Theo Bikel on the same vinyl on which he covered JM's Urge for Going." DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 09:39:12 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction Catherine McKay wrote: "Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing" That's the spirit! I'll be dancing there with you, Catherine! Lots of Love, Nuriel ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:56:28 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: mandate, njc now hangin' out with Pink Floyd Jing writes: > I remember one time laying on a blanket on the ground at an all day > thing at our old fairgrounds, and most of the guys had on cut-off jeans > and for some reason, quite a few (or at least some in my immedaite > area) had no underwear. > Ack, cut offs! In the early 80s I went with one of my best friends to Jamaica, to an incredible place on top of a mountain outside Montego Bay that her ex-boyfriend owns and which she had been going to since the 60s. (It was an unforgettable experience. Way off the beaten path with no other tourists around for miles.) Anyhoo, as Big Walt says, I wore cut offs in those days and one night while we were all sitting around the campfire my friend took pictures. A few weeks later I was back in Boston and came home one night and picked up my mail from the foyer of the 3-family house I was living in at the time. There was a picture of me which my friend had turned into a postcard. In the photo I was by the fire in Jamaica, bleary eyed and buzzed -- with all my mangoods on display! She was actually trying to get me back because I had sent her a postcard from Jamaica that said, "Wish you weren't here." And she really DID get her revenge because everyone who lived in that 3-family had gone through the mail and seen the surprise by the time I got home. - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:21:01 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: common ground, njc Bob >>I wonder how many relationships have crumbled because 2 people found themselves on differing sides of the various arguments in this campaign... in my own experience there seems to be very little common ground to work with. Not that we can't be nice & kind to one another and all that<< I wonder how many people are struggling with this issue- I know I am... I am struggling in my relationship with my sister who in many ways I have always felt did a decent job of living her life in parallel with her religious beliefs (Christian)... over the years her life & that of her family have increasingly been folded into their church to the point that pretty much their entire social life is there... Because of that involvement the rest of the family is often invited to attend services (her entire family performs as musicians in the services) & over the years I have gone many times at her request... Now I feel I can no longer do so... as a conservative evangelist she appears to have put bush on a pedestal ... the last time I saw her (right after the elections) was wearing a cross of red white & blue stripes... it made me sick to my stomach but I said nothing as the gathering was in honor of my brother's engagement... in the past our family discussions have revealed both her & her husband's view of homosexuality to be one that is filled with ignorance & bigotry (although not with overt hatred because that would not be Christian or compassionate of them would it?)- additionally, there is a nasty rush limbaugh influence on her husband that creates a great divide as well ... so while her church may or may not be reflective of where she & her husband are at I am clear that until I know what the belief or mission of their church is I will no longer be crossing that threshold (nor would they want me there with my distaste for such beliefs) & hopefully I have the opportunity to let them know why without creating ill will between us... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:31:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: mandate, now animules - njc --- mia ortlieb wrote: > Lori wrote: < wolves, owned by pigs.">> > > and Catherine mentioned < Simon's song, "Pigs, > sheep and wolves">> > > ....and don't forget Pink Floyd's "Animals" album! > One song devoted > entirely to 'Pigs,' one song devoted entirely to > 'Sheep,' and one song > devoted entirely to 'Dogs.' Great album! > AHA! and also, "Look at all the little piggies leading piggy lives You can see them out for dinner with their piggy wives Clutching forks and knives To eat their bacon." The Beatles, of course. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:35:17 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: politics and the list NJC PC --- Lori Fye wrote: > > Lori, > about to leave on this sunny Saturday to visit the > BMW motorcycle store, just > for the fun of it! : ) > Nya-nya! Someone's ADDICTED! lol. Coincidentally, also a fine and sunny, if a wee bit COLD, Saturday here in TO, one of those days I actually FEEL LIKE doing some work around the house, so I cleaned up the garage (sort of), picked up (most of) the crap off the floor, washed (most of) the dishes that have been sitting in the sink all week (the ones that don't fit in the dishwasher, grrr.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:35:02 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: the election. njc Mack> i am plain sick of hearing about the election, what happened, etc. We lost.It is over. Now, time to go on and deal with what is happening today.< I can relate... its been so divisive but I feel that this will continue... for me, dealing with what is happening today is supporting the movement to look at our voting process because it is seriously flawed...regardless of the outcomes it will benefit our future if it is allowed to be taken seriously... this is something many people were shouting about before the elections (thankfully my blue state decertified the paperless machines due to citizen efforts & those in government who represented us) but never ever got the attention it should have... anyway aside from living my life day to day, supporting positive things in my community, this issue is what is happening today (for me)... unfortunately it requires looking at what just happened on 11/2 & before ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:37:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: mandate, njc --- Lori Fye wrote: > Mia wrote: > > > ....and don't forget Pink Floyd's "Animals" album! > One song devoted > > entirely to 'Pigs,' one song devoted entirely to > 'Sheep,' and one song > > devoted entirely to 'Dogs.' Great album! > > And then there is the classic song by The Beatles: > > PIGGIES > > Have you seen the little piggies > Crawling in the dirt > And for all the little piggies > Life is getting worse > Always having dirt to play around in. JINX!!! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:38:49 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: (NJC) That separate political discussion list Lori Fye wrote: > I wrote: > >>> And remember your trusty Delete and Scroll keys ... : > > And my dear friend Mark (also sick of politics) replied: > >> And remember that separate political discussion list? Does anybody >> remember that? Anybody? > > > Yes, it can be accessed at http://groups.yahoo.com/jmdlpc/ > > Created on Oct 8, 2002, by Les Irvin, "The JMDL Political List" > boasts 12 members and has had a total of 37 posts since inception. Pardon my ignorance on this score. For some reason I thought this was a regular smoe related offshoot of the JMDL - kinda like JC and NJC. I didn't realize it was a Yahoo thing and had been set up 2 years ago. My apologies to you, dear Lori, and to any other political enthusiasts on the JMDL. I certainly don't want to limit the topics for discussion on the NJC list. I have always advocated a free forum keeping in mind that Joni is the chief reason for our being here. That being said, personally I find most political discussion to be pointless. It seems that nobody changes their mind and all too often it ends in sniping, insults and hurt feelings. I'm certainly no supporter of Bush. But I do think that people who are Bush supporters often get raked over the coals here and their views are belittled and dismissed, sometimes in an insulting manner. I have probably been guilty of this once or twice myself. I also wonder if the members of this list that do not live in the US are all that interested in seeing us hash out our political differences. While it's true that the actions of our government have had far-reaching effects especially in the past year or so, I do think it's a bit arrogant to believe that the whole world is hanging on our every word on the subject of the recent election. I'm disappointed in the outcome of the election and apprehensive of what it bodes for the future. At the same time, I'm trying hard to believe that the agenda of the people currently in power is not really evil and that the system of checks and balances we have in place will keep them from completely running amok. I certainly don't believe that all the people who voted for Bush are hateful, warmongering, money-grubbing louts. I think many of them honestly believe that they made the best choice for the country. We survived Reagan and Nixon. Surely we can survive this. I have to have some hope to keep going from one day to the next. For the time being, I'm grateful that the political ads with all of their slanted mudslinging on *both* sides have stopped repeating themselves on the television. It would be nice not to see the election related subjects in my Joni-mail inbox all the time but I will no longer presume to ask people not to send them. Respectfully, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:41:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: New Joni cover from Judy Collins coming in January Joni may be retired, but her songs are anything but! 2004 was a HUGE year for Joni covers and 2005 promises to be killer as well. I just heard that none other than Judy Collins herself will kick off the new year with a cover of "That Song About The Midway" on her new release in January. More on this story as it develops. Bob, 1625 Joni covers strong NP: X, "Make The Music Go Bang" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:32:58 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: politics and the list NJC PC I would just as soon not see anymore politics discussions. As far as my life goes, it's been great since the election. I bought an antique couch for $30 at a yard sale, found a Sony 27inch trinitron tv put out on the street (in perfect condition except for a little purple color in the corners but who cares...). Just got tickets for what will be an amazing show next weekend.....McCoy Tyner Trio w/Pharoah Sanders and Ravi Coltrane.....in a small theater downtown. I recently got a Boston Red Sox fleece jacket and have been wearing it about every day....its nice to have world champion feeling......still waiting for the championship shirt to come. My kitten Joni is about almost a year old and so much fun. To tell you the truth, the election did not affect me at all....I think ultimately it makes little difference. I don't discuss politics with my friends. I think it is a little arrogant to assume that this whole list shares the same political views...there was a reference at some point that 99.9 percent of the members voted for Bush....hardly true when more than half of the list are lurkers and many people don't even live in the US. Another thing is that so much of the comments here are little more than calling the other candidate/party stupid, evil, etc...I do listen to talk radio often and the conversations I hear are much more interesting than anything I've seen on the list. Most of the threads I've seen here are simply one side arguing with the other, getting a little heated which maybe some people enjoy. If anyone spoke like that on the radio they would be cut off...in an actual debate insults are completely unnecessary. And elections don't cause people to be depressed. People choose to be depressed. I stayed up till 1 or 2 watching the various news channels the night of the election and woke up the next morning. I actually felt wonderful on Wednesday and had a great day. Seeing all these people come in, complaining about the election only inspired me to have an even better day because I know that I control how I feel. Just like on the Grinch when all the people on Whoville keep singing. I really wonder if people who are still in a funk because John Kerry lost actually enjoy being victims and start to enjoy complaining. At some point, doesn't it become counterproductive? Also saw a really good movie last night, Sideways....highly recommend it, an art film...a love story comedy/drama..takes place in California wine country so wine is very much in the storyline. The two main characters are a hilarious odd couple.....just excellent! Victor NP: Georgia being trounced by Auburn Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:58:24 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: politics and the list NJC PC > shares the same political views...there was a reference at some point that > 99.9 percent of the members voted for Bush.... obviously I meant Kerry... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:27:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Music old and new (some Joni content) --- Azeem wrote: > And another CD I bought: the greatest album ever > made by anybody, ever: > HEJIRA! I listened to it on my walkman on the way > home, with much > goose-pimpling going on. It never ceases to astound > me with its > perfection. Every time I listen to this > masterpiece, a different song > strolls to the front of the queue to be my > favourite. Today it was Song > For Sharon. The chord changes are (relatively) > straightforward and - > some might say - repetitive over the eight minutes, > and yet they are > somehow, magically, unimprovable. Her singing is > magisterial > throughout. Yeah, what is it about Hejira? There's a helluva lotta musical repetition and quite possibly only a few chords in most, if not all songs, and it ought to be boring, but instead it's hypnotic and spellbinding. How she do dat? It's fierce concentration music. Our Joan must have been totally focussed when she wrote this stuff and she sucks the listener right into that focussed trancelike state. To me Hejira is winter music. Winter is a kind of desert. Hejira is desert music. It's getting cold out there (out here) so it's good Hejira-listening weather. > So much for old music. I finally bought Bjorks new > album, Medulla. I > dont think I can do justice to the magnificence of > this work of genius > - and that is what it is. Apart from a few > programmed beats and, on one > song, a piano that sounds as if its been dragged > out of the cellar of > an abandoned pub, its nearly all voice: Bjorks, > multi-multi-tracked > and twisted and turned and processed - as well as > pure and unadorned; > then there are two different choirs, and some > EXTREMELY complex choral > arrangements (by Bjork herself). Theres too much > to take in on a first > listen, and the level of sheer invention is > overwhelming. I can > honestly imagine some of these pieces featuring in > the repertory of > adventurous choral societies in fifteen years time - > and for some of > these songs, theyll have to learn Icelandic! I haven't got that one yet but I've heard many good things about it. I think Bjork is amazing. I know she's not everyone's cuppa tea. Some people think she's without talent, and/or they just can't stand her. I think they need to pay more attention and listen. Some of her English cracks me up - the way she pronounces "jetto blaster", the word "smittens". I love the way she pronounces "heart" something like haarrrt. She's one of those people I might never have listened to if I weren't on this list. So glad I checked her out. I think she is some kind of mad genius. It seems too that Joni had something good to say about her: "I do like Sheryl Crow, who's self-sufficient, and Bjork, a fiery little thing." (1) I know she has said more. (1) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=396 ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:37:23 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: politics and the list NJC PC I was ... > about to leave on this sunny Saturday to visit the > BMW motorcycle store, just for the fun of it! : ) Catherine replied: > Nya-nya! Someone's ADDICTED! lol. You know what the best part of visiting the "Beamery" is (I love that nickname, Em!)? The fact that it's just about the only place you'll find used Harley Davidsons for sale at a non-Harley store -- because they've been TRADED for BMWs!!!!!!! I just love that. (Sorry, Kerry & Steve P in Milwaukee.) > Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing Hey Catherine -- great new tag line!! Lori NPIMH: "With the drag queens and the punks" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:41:31 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: (NJC) That separate political discussion list > My apologies to you, dear Lori, and to any other political enthusiasts on the > JMDL. No apologies required, Mark, at least as far as I'm concerned. The political posts will settle down here soon, I suspect. They always do. All the best, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:45:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: politics and the list NJC PC --- Lori Fye wrote: > > > Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing > > Hey Catherine -- great new tag line!! > > Lori > > NPIMH: "With the drag queens and the punks" I wonder how many ISPs would block my e-mails just for quoting Joni? I wonder if they would block the digest too? We'll find out when/if people say they're not getting their digests. Heh-heh-heh. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:57:04 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: We all live so close to that line, and so far fromsatisfaction Dear Catherine and Nuriel, Catherine I'm sorry you removed that Joni line from your signature because it always reminds me of one of my favorite Joni tunes "Song for Sharon." Nuriel, though that line is about suicide, this song also carries some hope and love and for me the sad part is what promotes so many feelings! Like so many of her songs... (love stimulated my illusions more than anything!) love ya, db >>>Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing Catherine Toronto I did put that in my sig. block after a suicide because when these things happen, they make me realize how close to tragedy we all live. Then I forgot to change it, because I don't see it on posts I send out - - I only see it when posts come back to me through the list. > I hope you don't mind me sharing a question brought > to life by you with everyone, for though your answer > may be the...well...YOUR answer:) i hope others > would be interested in reading it too, and hopefuly > would also share their thoughts with us. > > I couldn't escape noticing that the lyric "We all > live so close to that line and so far from > satisfaction" appears at the end of all your posts. > (at least the one's i know of). > I was wondering. Why? As i see it (no deep-dugged > lyric's meaning here but the most simple one that is > obviously what's "going on" in that part of song) > "that line" is suicide. > I would be very much surprised, to say the least, to > find out that you AGREE with me:), but in case you > DO AGREE with me that "that line" is suicide - why > have you chosen that lyric as the ending of your > posts? > > Yours, > > Nuri > > p.s. (You're probably going to answer me that you've > decided to change your Joni singnature to "And a > bottle of orange juice too", right?:) ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:58:23 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: politics and the list NJC PC - and depression > To tell you the truth, the election did not affect me at all....I think > ultimately it makes little difference. Good for you, Victor. You're a straight white man and you're apparently content in your life. For those who are gay, or of color, or are women facing the possible loss of reproductive rights, or who don't have health care coverage, or who have loved ones dying and becoming maimed in Iraq for no reason, it's different. > And elections don't cause people to be depressed. People choose to be > depressed. Perhaps elections don't cause people to be depressed, but you can't really believe that all people CHOOSE to be depressed. Do you mean they choose to be depressed because they were disappointed with the outcome of this election? Or do you mean that people choose to be depressed, period? I will agree with you that *some* people (and I know a few) choose to remain depressed rather than take steps to change it. Or they dump a bunch of alcohol (a depressant) or other drugs on top of their depression, which only makes it worse. But MOST people would rather not be depressed, and they don't choose to be. My depression has been diagnosed and is mainly due to a chemical imbalance. I take medication to control it. Otherwise, I entertain thoughts of suicide, and that's not normal or healthy. I also experience disappointment, but that's different from depression, at least for me. However, I believe that disappointment can contribute to or worsen a person's depression. Please try to consider that, while life's answers may be simple for you, they are not so simple for everyone. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:15:53 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: We all live so close to that line, and so far fromsatisfaction - --- Donna Binkley wrote: > Nuriel, though that line is about suicide, this song also carries > some > hope and love and for me the sad part is what promotes so many > feelings! > Like so many of her songs... hi Donna I agree about it carrying hope. In this song she "processes" like mad. Goes through things. It has such a restless, pacing quality to it. I feel like she's pursuing truth like a prizefighter pursues his win. Aggresive, even. One oddity for me - the line "Fleece me with the gamblers' flocks"..lol I thought it said "fleece me with a gambler's floss". So I thought the word "floss" came frome the word "fleece". Thought I had learned something! Like maybe in the old days they made it (dental floss) out of wool? baaaaaaaa! :( Maybe the word "floss" is related to the noun "fleece". Anyone know? Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:20:46 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: mandate, njc now hangin' out with Pink Floyd wow Smurf! great story! what a peppery friend to have. The place in Jamaica sounds wonderously gorgeous. Can't even imagine being there, and yet I get pictures in my head. err, of the outside Montego Bay place that is. Not the other "visual" so much..didn't go there! But I'm sure it was a splendid sight too, in its own right! ;) Jing - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Ack, cut offs! > > In the early 80s I went with one of my best friends to Jamaica, to an > > incredible place on top of a mountain outside Montego Bay that her > ex-boyfriend owns > and which she had been going to since the 60s. (It was an > unforgettable > experience. Way off the beaten path with no other tourists around for > miles.) > > Anyhoo, as Big Walt says, I wore cut offs in those days and one night > while > we were all sitting around the campfire my friend took pictures. A > few weeks > later I was back in Boston and came home one night and picked up my > mail from > the foyer of the 3-family house I was living in at the time. There > was a picture > of me which my friend had turned into a postcard. In the photo I was > by the > fire in Jamaica, bleary eyed and buzzed -- with all my mangoods on > display! > > She was actually trying to get me back because I had sent her a > postcard from > Jamaica that said, "Wish you weren't here." And she really DID get > her > revenge because everyone who lived in that 3-family had gone through > the mail and > seen the surprise by the time I got home. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:39:49 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: msnbc video NJC Worth the time to watch- regarding what is going on regarding the voting irregularities: http://www.truthout.org/multimedia.htm the video is at the top of the page ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:11:41 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: mandate, now animules - njc HELL - I'll even kiss a sunset pig! Hmmm who said that? Peace, Susan Catherine McKay wrote: - --- mia ortlieb wrote: > Lori wrote: <> wolves, owned by pigs.">> > > and Catherine mentioned <> Simon's song, "Pigs, > sheep and wolves">> > > ....and don't forget Pink Floyd's "Animals" album! > One song devoted > entirely to 'Pigs,' one song devoted entirely to > 'Sheep,' and one song > devoted entirely to 'Dogs.' Great album! > AHA! and also, "Look at all the little piggies leading piggy lives You can see them out for dinner with their piggy wives Clutching forks and knives To eat their bacon." The Beatles, of course. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 00:24:07 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: politics and the list NJC PC - and depression > > To tell you the truth, the election did not affect me at all....I think > > ultimately it makes little difference. > > Good for you, Victor. You're a straight white man and you're apparently content > in your life. Please don't label me as straight white man. I am an individual and you're making many assumptions about me that you have no place in doing. I never said I was content in my life. I was sharing some things I've been doing this week and I'm sorry that is of no interest to you and that you think it means I am content with everything. What I said was I think the election made little difference....that's all I said. For those who are gay, or of color, or are women facing the > possible loss of reproductive rights, or who don't have health care coverage, > or who have loved ones dying and becoming maimed in Iraq for no reason, it's > different. > Ok.....now you're verging on being very offensive and insulting. I believe in gay rights and I think gay people should have the right to get married. I have several gay friends, I work with many people who are gay, I performed at an Atlanta Pride and I never said I supported the gay marriage amendment that was passed in 11 states. And I've never mentioned this to anyone here but I had a girlfriend about 8 years ago who had to have an abortion. I went with her to the clinic. It was a very traumatic experience, it has affected me deeply, and I've talked to very few people about it. I also marched in a women's rights march in DC in 1991 or 2. Are you trying to say because I'm a white male I have no feelings? Are you trying to say because I didn't support John Kerry that I have no knowledge of any of these things? You hardly know me at all and to say I'm just a "white male" who has a carefree life is extremely judgemental. Do you think I'm not aware that people are dying in Iraq. Do you think I'm some heartless person who doesn't care about human life. Give me a f@$#Ring break....And do you think if John Kerry was elected, the fbi and cia would shut down, the troops would pack up the very next day, and leave at once. I don't think so. The situation is going to magically change all of the sudden. I don't think John Kerry would do much different than what Bush plans to do. And what really gets me is why do you assume all millitary families who have loved ones in Iraq don't support the war on terror? I'm sure many of them do and many of them support Bush. So probably many of them were happy to see Bush win. By your logic, they don't care about loved ones dying in Iraq. > > And elections don't cause people to be depressed. People choose to be > > depressed. > > Perhaps elections don't cause people to be depressed, but you can't really > believe that all people CHOOSE to be depressed. Do you mean they choose to be > depressed because they were disappointed with the outcome of this election? Or > do you mean that people choose to be depressed, period? No I don't believe that all people CHOOSE to be depressed. I suffer from serious depression myself, have dealt with depression much of my life and I've recently been taking medication that helps me a great deal. All I meant was, and this is just my opinion, that if someone allows this election to bring them down so much that they cannot function and enjoy their life when otherwise, they would be fine, I think that is ridiculous. It's over...get over it and get on with your life which you determine and control. > Please try to consider that, while life's answers may be simple for you, they > are not so simple for everyone. That's bullshit Lori. Did I say anywhere that life's answers are simple for me. My landlord owes me $500 dollars in deposit money and it's been over a month since I moved out. He called two weeks ago to ask for my address so he could mail it. Didn't happen. He called Thursday night and said he would meet me anywhere. Didn't happen and didn't hear from him. I called Friday night and twice this morning and have not heard a thing. Do you think it's simple to spend several thousand dollars producing an independent cd and market it with no budget and no band. Would you like to set me up with a recording contract. Have you even bought one of my cd's? No. Do you think it's easy to be in love with someone ten years older who doesn't want to have kids and love children yet have none of my own. Is that so easy, Lori. I am so sick of all of this posturing and namecalling and being politically correct and this holier than thou attitude and people making judgements about others who they know nothing, nothing, nothing about. Am I allowed to have a life? Or since I'm a white male everything is la la la...hunky dory....I live in the land of candy where I have no worries....happy happy joy joy.....Do people have to apologize now for being happy about something. IS there something wrong with trying to create a little joy in my life? Give me a fucking break. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #460 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)