From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #459 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 13 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 459 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: mandate, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: dark rings njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: (brazen self promotion) Fred Simon-new album NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni mentioned - why not to immigrate to Canada now ["Marian Russell" ] Re: Thanks :) ["Wallykai" ] tricked, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: (brazen self promotion) Fred Simon-new album NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: mandate, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] the election. njc ["mackoliver" ] Re: the election. njc [Lori Fye ] (NJC) What is happening today [Lori Fye ] Re: the election. njc ["mackoliver" ] Re: the election. njc [Lori Fye ] OT (flagrant self-promotion, part 2) CJCC 3rd Anniversary Concert [FredNo] Music old and new (some Joni content) ["Azeem" ] Re: the election. njc ["Mark or Travis" ] We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction [Nuriel T] Borderline [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Woke up it was a jmdl posts checking and the first thing that i knew was another Wallyk-Frednow Virus with a :) and a "Thanks" too [] Re: Borderline [Nuriel Tobias ] another Wallyk-Frednow Virus njc ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Re: mandate, njc --- Lori Fye wrote: > > Still disgusted that the Bushies tricked so many > working people into > > voting for such self-serving pigs. > > USA = "Nation of sheep, ruled by wolves, owned by > pigs." > > > Lori This reminded me of Paul Simon's song, "Pigs, sheep and wolves" (except in this case, the wolf is the scape- um- wolf) and also of "The cool, cool river" (esp. the repeated words, "Yes, boss.") Pigs, Sheep and Wolves -- Paul Simon Big and fat Pigs supposed to look like that Barnyard thug Sleeps on straw and calls it a rug Yeah thats a rug, OK Hes walking down the street And nobodys gonna argue with him Hes a half-a-ton of pig meat Up in the hills above the farm Lives a pack of wolves Never did no harm Sleep all day Hunt till four Maybe catch a couple of rodents You know carnivore Sheep in the meadow Nibbling on some clover One of the sheep wanders over Sits by a rock Separated from the flock Hes just sitting by a rock Whered he go? I dont know Well he was here a minute ago I dont know Sheeps dead Got a gash as big as a wolfs head Oh God Big and fat Pigs supposed to look like that Wallowing in lanolin Hes rubbing it into his pigskin Police going crazy Lets get him Lets get that wolf Lets get him Lets get that wolf Lets get him Lets kill him, lets get him Lets kill him Court-appointed lawyer wasnt very bright Oh maybe he was bright Maybe he just had a late night Yeah it was just a late night And he files some feeble appeal And the governor says forget it Its a done deal Election, I dont care, election Lets give that wolf a lethal injection Lets get him, yeah get him, Lets kill him, lets get him Lets kill him, lets get him, kill him Lets get him and kill him Whew, slow Here comes the media Setting up their camera Asking everyones opinion About pigs, sheep and wolves Big and fat Pigs supposed to laugh like that This is hilarious What a great time Im the pig who committed The perfect crime All around the world France, Scandinavia Theres candle light vigils Protesting this behavior Its animal behavior Animal behavior Its pigs, sheep and wolves Pigs, sheep and wolves Pigs, sheep and wolves Its animal behavior Its pigs, sheep and wolves The Cool, Cool River -- Paul Simon Moves like a fist through traffic Anger and no one can heal it Shoves a little bump into the momentum Its just a little lump But you feel it In the creases and the shadows With a rattling deep emotion The cool, cool river Sweeps the wild, white ocean Yes Boss. The government handshake Yes Boss. The crusher of language Yes Boss. Mr. Stillwater, The face at the edge of the banquet The cool, the cool river The cool, the cool river I believe in the future I may live in my car My radio tuned to The voice of a star Song dogs barking at the break of dawn Lightning pushes the edge of a thunderstorm And these old hopes and fears Still at my side Anger and no one can heal it Slides through the metal detector Lives like a mole in a motel A slide in a slide projector The cool, cool river Sweeps the wild, white ocean The rage of love turns inward To prayers of devotion And these prayers are The constant road across the wilderness These prayers are These prayers are the memory of God The memory of God And I believe in the future We shall suffer no more Maybe not in my lifetime But in yours I feel sure Song dogs barking at the break of dawn Lightning pushes the edges of a thunderstorm And these streets Quiet as a sleeping army Send their battered dreams to heaven, to heaven For the mothers restless son Who is a witness to, who is a warrior Who denies his urge to break and run Who says: Hard times? Im used to them The speeding planet burns Im used to that My lifes so common it disappears And sometimes even music Cannot substitute for tears ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:31:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: dark rings njc --- Lori Fye wrote: > (Only in America, where people are so self-absorbed > and ignorant about so many > things, could the color of one's anus be of concern. > Sheesh.) And, as we all know, an asshole is an asshole, no matter what colour. (Getting way too much mileage out of this foolishness and not enough sleep.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:08:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: (brazen self promotion) Fred Simon-new album NJC **I love your idea of an artists' page on the JMDL site But...there HAS been such a thing for quite a long time. Just needs some updating I suppose: _http://www.jmdl.com/artists/index.cfm_ (http://www.jmdl.com/artists/index.cfm) Bob NP: Counting Crows, "Hard Candy" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:13:20 -0500 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Joni mentioned - why not to immigrate to Canada now from: http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=194238 7. The biggest argument against immigrating to Canada is: You're going in the wrong direction! With all due respect to our northern neighbors, anyone who is anyone bolted years ago. Peter Jennings, Mike Myers, Joni Mitchell, Jim Carrey, Frank Gehry (would they take him back?) -- the list goes on and on. Have talent, will travel -- southward. You might want to ask yourself why. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:58:39 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: common ground, njc I have a friend Jim. . He voted for bush. He is very sweet. In fact that is his actual name. .. Jim Sweet. He is cute and is an artist. He voted for Bush. He is a country man, 34 years old. . I don't know, I just wanted t share our interchange with you. Marianne he said: From: James >So, All Joking Aside.... Why are Democrats, bothered So much about Us >Republicans?.... >I'm not seeing Happiness and Joy from the "Party of Diversity"... I >thought that our country's >strength, came from being different.....The >Only way We Move forward is by trying to work >together with our >Differences to find a common ground... Neither side has all of the answers >to the >Country's problems... >All I've seen or heard is twisted stories about the negatives of our past >like Slavery, the American >Indians, Etc... instead of the great things >this country has done like How We have a History of >Helping people, other >Countries during disasters, Wars, Etc... I walk Tall Because I'm Proud to >be >here... Most of the people that knock us Don't understand or even care >about our own History... >I Have Differences about other Views But, I don't want to see or wish I'll >Will to Others, in Our >Country. I've seen nothing but hate and Anger for >the last 8+ years from the "Party of Diversity"... >My Friend Jeff had his >car windows Smashed in, and the words "Nazi Pig" spray painted on it , > >because he had Marine and Bush stickers on it. (This Guy Is a Saint).. >We are supposed to be >Brothers and sisters in this Country... >Maybe I'm being Corny, But I don't enjoy being Angry at people, and I don't >like seeing others >pissed off All the Time... It's time to start being >Optimistic... I've gone through Hell in my life, and I >still stand Tall... >So, Someone needs to explain all of this Anger thing to Me... >The Funniest thing of all of this is, When Ya smile a little, even when >your not happy, it becomes >contagious and others smile back... Then All of >this angry Political Bullshit dries up and goes away... >Try It, it works... >Love Ya, and "God Bless" I replied: you have never been a slave or an indian. Try having something take away from you unjustly and never returned. . no justice done. Can you imagine it? can you imagine what this does to a family? A nation? Now to you: How can we meet on common ground? . . . or any other comments are welcome. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:09:42 +0100 From: "Wallykai" Subject: Re: Thanks :) :)) [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Price.cpl] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:08:33 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: tricked, njc A trick it seems to be. >Still disgusted that the Bushies tricked so many working people into >voting for such self-serving pigs. >Debra Shea _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:54:31 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: (brazen self promotion) Fred Simon-new album NJC Wow!!!! I am so sorry! I did not know that this page existed! Well then! Things are already in motion!!!! ( I would still like to see a special tribute to Joni encouraging each of us up there) Thanks Bob! I guess I will jump in and see what happens. Sherelle >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: FredNow@aol.com, sherellesmith@hotmail.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: (brazen self promotion) Fred Simon-new album NJC >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:08:25 EST > > >**I love your idea of an artists' page on the JMDL site > > > >But...there HAS been such a thing for quite a long time. Just needs some >updating I suppose: > >_http://www.jmdl.com/artists/index.cfm_ >(http://www.jmdl.com/artists/index.cfm) > >Bob > >NP: Counting Crows, "Hard Candy" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:57:24 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: (brazen self promotion) Fred Simon-new album NJC You are so welcome Fred. I truly from the bottom of my heart wish you much success and satisfaction with this project and may it take you places you have always wanted to go. I am so very, very proud of you!! Love, Sherelle >From: FredNow@aol.com >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com ("Sherelle Smith") >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: (brazen self promotion) Fred Simon-new album NJC >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:10:40 -0500 > >Hi Sherelle, > >It's not your fault! Apparently quite a few people didn't scroll down far >enough ... it's probably because the way I laid it out made it look like >another message, or a header or something. > >Anyway, thanks so much for your very kind words, and I hope you enjoy the >album when you get the chance to hear it. > >Absolutely Joni has been a huge influence on me, and not just tangentially. >I love your idea of an artists' page on the JMDL site, and the idea that we >all support each other's ventures. I'm all for that. > >All the best, >Fred > > > >In an email dated Thu, 11 11 2004 3:30:33 pm GMT, "Sherelle Smith" > writes: > > >Hi Fred! > > > >It would help to scroll down a little further before asking where to > >purchase your CD!!!! Sorry! > > > >Sherelle > > > > > >REMEMBER THE RIVER > >The Naim Label (NaimCD081, Naimlp086) > >CD available now (vinyl! coming soon) at: > > > >http://promusicaaudio.com/ (United States) > >http://naim-audio.com/ (England) > > > >and coming soon to: > >http://cdbaby.com > > > >In Chicago, you can also get it at: > >Pro Musica, 2236 N. Clark Street, (773) 883-9500 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:03:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: common ground, njc **Now to you: How can we meet on common ground? . . . or any other comments are welcome. Well Marianne - I don't mean to be a smart aleck or put you in an uncomfortable place, but perhaps you are one of the best to answer this question - and of course you can tell me to piss off and I consider you such a solid friend that I'll understand & no problem. How do you & Bree meet on common ground? I mean, obviously you're on TOTALLY different ends of the spectrum politically, or so it seems to me. While I love you both, I'm amazed that you make your relationship work in spite of these major differences. Not that my wife & I are exactly the same, and the differences make it fun most of the time...she loves college basketball, I couldn't care less. Sometimes I watch a game with her, more often not. By the same token, she understands my idiosyncratic tastes in music, listens and freely comments to whatever I'm playing, and only asks that I use headphones when listening to Ani. But these are little minor differences...in 2004, the differences between Bush voters & Kerry voters often involve HUGE philosophical chasms. Thankfully, Valerie & I both feel the same about (senseless) war, the environment, the need for supporting education, helping those in need, the need to embrace diversity and accept people for what they are, and etc. Matter of fact, I don't think I could have kept my sanity in terms of dealing with this Bush nightmare had I not had her to commisserate with. I wonder how many relationships have crumbled because 2 people found themselves on differing sides of the various arguments in this campaign. As I've stated before, in my own case it's caused a "divorce" between me & religion. It becomes a "moment of truth" experience where you really have to define what it is that you stand for (and against) in this world. I guess my point is that in my own experience there seems to be very little common ground to work with. Not that we can't be nice & kind to one another and all that, but once those walls come down and you really start to deal with what's in the core of your soul, it would be VERY tough for me to be with someone who supported W in 2004. Like I said, I understand if this is too personal. Bob NP: The Cure, "Cut" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:25:30 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: common ground, njc Bob, I really don't know how we do it. I just love her is all. If someone were to have told me that I was going to fall in love with a republican I would have never believed it. Never say never, I guess. She is trying to do the right thing.. . although I strongly disagree with her. She is trying to do good. Marianne - ----Original Message Follows---- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com To: treegreen1@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: common ground, njc Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:03:25 EST **Now to you: How can we meet on common ground? . . . or any other comments are welcome. Well Marianne - I don't mean to be a smart aleck or put you in an uncomfortable place, but perhaps you are one of the best to answer this question - and of course you can tell me to piss off and I consider you such a solid friend that I'll understand & no problem. How do you & Bree meet on common ground? I mean, obviously you're on TOTALLY different ends of the spectrum politically, or so it seems to me. While I love you both, I'm amazed that you make your relationship work in spite of these major differences. Not that my wife & I are exactly the same, and the differences make it fun most of the time...she loves college basketball, I couldn't care less. Sometimes I watch a game with her, more often not. By the same token, she understands my idiosyncratic tastes in music, listens and freely comments to whatever I'm playing, and only asks that I use headphones when listening to Ani. But these are little minor differences...in 2004, the differences between Bush voters & Kerry voters often involve HUGE philosophical chasms. Thankfully, Valerie & I both feel the same about (senseless) war, the environment, the need for supporting education, helping those in need, the need to embrace diversity and accept people for what they are, and etc. Matter of fact, I don't think I could have kept my sanity in terms of dealing with this Bush nightmare had I not had her to commisserate with. I wonder how many relationships have crumbled because 2 people found themselves on differing sides of the various arguments in this campaign. As I've stated before, in my own case it's caused a "divorce" between me & religion. It becomes a "moment of truth" experience where you really have to define what it is that you stand for (and against) in this world. I guess my point is that in my own experience there seems to be very little common ground to work with. Not that we can't be nice & kind to one another and all that, but once those walls come down and you really start to deal with what's in the core of your soul, it would be VERY tough for me to be with someone who supported W in 2004. Like I said, I understand if this is too personal. Bob NP: The Cure, "Cut" _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:47:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: mandate, njc > Still disgusted that the Bushies tricked so many working people into > voting for such self-serving pigs. The real issue to me is how the votes were or were not counted... There is too much information out there about many of the voting machines incorrectly counting (i.e. thousands of more votes in a district than there are registered voters)... but anyone reading about the voting machines in the years prior to this election knew how unprepared we were to use these machines... anyway the story is growing & though I have not seen his show apparently keith oberman on msnbc countdown is speaking of it nightly ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:38:09 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: the election. njc i am plain sick of hearing about the election, what happened, etc. We lost. It is over. Now, time to go on and deal with what is happening today. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:24:13 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: the election. njc > i am plain sick of hearing about the election, what happened, etc. We lost. > It is over. Now, time to go on and deal with what is happening today. Just about the time you wrote that, mack, one of my colleagues said something similar. But you know what? The election was only 10 days ago. I know it seems much longer, but it's a very short time. People are still reeling (or celebrating, as the case may be). Give 'em (us) a break. And remember your trusty Delete and Scroll keys ... : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:27:17 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) What is happening today > Now, time to go on and deal with what is happening today. Today, right now in fact, my good friend Nina is on her way to the airport to fly to Pennsylvania for preparation and assessment ... in about 2 weeks she'll be on her way to Georgia for training ... and then she'll be on her way to Iraq, most likely, where she'll spend the next 18 months. That is what is happening today, in my world. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:28:14 -0600 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: the election. njc wish it were that easy lori but the jmdl is a microcosm of the world itself and there are no delete keys out there. and crying over spilled milk ain't gonna make the next delivery a better version. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:34:01 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: the election. njc > wish it were that easy lori but the jmdl is a microcosm of the world itself > and there are no delete keys out there. and crying over spilled milk ain't > gonna make the next delivery a better version. So don't cry, but let others grieve if they feel the need. Maybe it will spur them to action NOW, instead of 3 1/2 years from now. Please everyone, get involved, NOW, so we're in a stronger position on November 4, 2008. If you want there to be more than 2 parties in the system, join the one you prefer and WORK for it. Don't wait. Today is the day. Lori, planning to vote Green in '08 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:20:07 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: OT (flagrant self-promotion, part 2) CJCC 3rd Anniversary Concert Dear friends, well-wishers, and both the disconsolate and the consolable: I hope you can make it to this very special event. The Chicago Jazz Composers Collective celebrates its third anniversary in a concert presenting one composition from each composer. This year we're doing something a little different, loosely based on the Surrealist parlor game "The Exquisite Corpse." Half of the composers have harmonized a melody composed by Jo Ann Daugherty, and the other half have melodized a set of chords composed by Kelly Brand. It's pretty wild how differently the resulting compositions turned out. Come for the great music, stay for the great hang. Your fred, Fred ============ Chicago Jazz Composers Collective Third Anniversary Concert Featuring Composers in Residence: Kathy Kelly: vibraphone Kelly Brand: piano Jeff Beer: trumpet Jo Ann Daugherty: piano Lloyd Brodnax King: flute Dave Onderdonk: guitar Mitch Paliga: saxophone Fred Simon: piano Don Tisch: guitar Damon Short: drums, piano, and vocals with Dan DeLorenzo: bass Ryan Bennett: drums Kelly Sill: bass Ryan Shultz: bass trumpet Ten composers ... ten compositions Voluminous thanks to all who have come to support us in past years. Copious thanks to all the musicians and guest composers who have helped make these concerts so much fun. ============ Sunday, November 14, 2004 2-4 PM at the Green Mill, 4802 N. Broadway, Chicago, IL (773) 878-5552 Cover charge for this special event is only $5, and listeners of all ages are welcome, although those under 21 must be accompanied by a guardian. ============ Chicago Jazz Composers Collective Mission Statement The Chicago Jazz Composers Collective formed in July 2001 with two specific goals: to develop an audience for original jazz music, and to encourage the creation and performance of new jazz compositions. By hosting regular performances of new works, we seek to engage the public in the joy of experiencing new music. By joining as a Collective, we aim to create an environment that encourages composers to freely explore new musical territory, hear new works by fellow composers, collaborate in writing and performing, and present these works to an audience. ============ ***ABSOLUTELY WE WILL SPREAD OUR GROOVE AND INTERNATIONAL FEELING*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:31:02 -0000 From: "Azeem" Subject: Music old and new (some Joni content) Hi Pop Pickers, I did a huge splurge at the Virgin Megastore yesterday (5 CDs/DVDs for thirty quid, what is a boy to do?). I thought it was high time I had Whats Going On on CD, and it was fabulous to listen to it again in pristine quality (Id never noticed theres acoustic guitar on the title song!). The whole thing sounds as great as ever. And another CD I bought: the greatest album ever made by anybody, ever: HEJIRA! I listened to it on my walkman on the way home, with much goose-pimpling going on. It never ceases to astound me with its perfection. Every time I listen to this masterpiece, a different song strolls to the front of the queue to be my favourite. Today it was Song For Sharon. The chord changes are (relatively) straightforward and - some might say - repetitive over the eight minutes, and yet they are somehow, magically, unimprovable. Her singing is magisterial throughout. I wont rehearse my tired old why I hate Travelogue routine here, but I will comment on the point of view that what her voice has lost over the years in terms of range and strength, it has gained in expressivity: well, it was pretty bloody expressive already! To anyone who hasnt listened to Hejira for a while: do yourself a favour and give it a spin, and allow yourself to be transfixed by its stunning brilliance all over again. So much for old music. I finally bought Bjorks new album, Medulla. I dont think I can do justice to the magnificence of this work of genius - - and that is what it is. Apart from a few programmed beats and, on one song, a piano that sounds as if its been dragged out of the cellar of an abandoned pub, its nearly all voice: Bjorks, multi-multi-tracked and twisted and turned and processed - as well as pure and unadorned; then there are two different choirs, and some EXTREMELY complex choral arrangements (by Bjork herself). Theres too much to take in on a first listen, and the level of sheer invention is overwhelming. I can honestly imagine some of these pieces featuring in the repertory of adventurous choral societies in fifteen years time - and for some of these songs, theyll have to learn Icelandic! I didnt know how Bjork could follow up Vespertine. Shes succeeded triumphantly. Two stone classics on the bounce. Now, do we know any other people who have achieved such a feat?? Azeem in London - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:44:09 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: the election. njc Lori Fye wrote: >> i am plain sick of hearing about the election, what happened, etc. >> We lost. It is over. Now, time to go on and deal with what is >> happening today. > > Just about the time you wrote that, mack, one of my colleagues said > something similar. But you know what? The election was only 10 days > ago. I know it seems much longer, but it's a very short time. > People are still reeling (or celebrating, as the case may be). Give > 'em (us) a break. > > And remember your trusty Delete and Scroll keys ... : And remember that separate political discussion list? Does anybody remember that? Anybody? Mark also sick of politics ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:21:36 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction Catherine, I hope you don't mind me sharing a question brought to life by you with everyone, for though your answer may be the...well...YOUR answer:) i hope others would be interested in reading it too, and hopefuly would also share their thoughts with us. I couldn't escape noticing that the lyric "We all live so close to that line and so far from satisfaction" appears at the end of all your posts. (at least the one's i know of). I was wondering. Why? As i see it (no deep-dugged lyric's meaning here but the most simple one that is obviously what's "going on" in that part of song) "that line" is suicide. I would be very much surprised, to say the least, to find out that you AGREE with me:), but in case you DO AGREE with me that "that line" is suicide - why have you chosen that lyric as the ending of your posts? Yours, Nuri p.s. (You're probably going to answer me that you've decided to change your Joni singnature to "And a bottle of orange juice too", right?:) Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 21:28:09 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Borderline Borderline Everybody looks so ill at ease So distrustful, so displeased Running down the table I see a borderline Like a barbed wire fence Strung tight, strung tense Prickling with pretense A borderline Why are you smirking at your friend? Is this to be the night when All well-wishing ends? All credibility revoked? Thin skin, thick jokes! Can we blame it on the smoke, This borderline? Every bristling shaft of pride Church or nation Team or tribe Every notion we subscribe to Is just a borderline Good or bad, we think we know As if thinking makes things so! All convictions grow along a borderline Smug in your jaded expertise You scathe the wonder world And you praise barbarity In this illusionary place This scared hard-edged rat race All liberty is laced with Borderlines Every income, every age Every fashion-plated rage Every measure, every gauge Creates a borderline Every stone thrown through glass Every mean-streets-kick ass Every swan caught on the grass Will draw a borderline You snipe so steady You snub so snide So ripe and ready To diminish and deride! You're so quick to condescend My opinionated friend All you deface all you defend Is just a borderline Just a borderline Another borderline Just a borderline --Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:32:55 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Woke up it was a jmdl posts checking and the first thing that i knew was another Wallyk-Frednow Virus with a :) and a "Thanks" too By now, i'm only worried that i may someday open my inbox and NOT see that "thanks:)" thingy in it. Honest! If this friendly worm would be, perish the thought, missing - I'll just hang myself! Nuri Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:39:06 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Borderline Borderline Something in the way you love me won't let me be I don't want to be your prisoner so baby won't you set me free Stop playing with my heart Finish what you start When you make my love come down If you want me let me know Baby let it show Honey don't you fool around Just try to understand, I've given all I can, 'Cause you got the best of me Chorus: Borderline feels like I'm going to lose my mind You just keep on pushing my love over the borderline (repeat chorus again) Keep on pushing me baby Don't you know you drive me crazy You just keep on pushing my love over the borderline Something in your eyes is makin' such a fool of me When you hold me in your arms you love me till I just can't see But then you let me down, when I look around, baby you just can't be found Stop driving me away, I just wanna stay, There's something I just got to say Just try to understand, I've given all I can, 'Cause you got the best of me (chorus) Keep on pushing me baby Don't you know you drive me crazy You just keep on pushing my love over the borderline Look what your love has done to me Come on baby set me free You just keep on pushing my love over the borderline You cause me so much pain, I think I'm going insane What does it take to make you see? You just keep on pushing my love over the borderline - -Madonna Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: Borderline Everybody looks so ill at ease So distrustful, so displeased Running down the table I see a borderline Like a barbed wire fence Strung tight, strung tense Prickling with pretense A borderline Why are you smirking at your friend? Is this to be the night when All well-wishing ends? All credibility revoked? Thin skin, thick jokes! Can we blame it on the smoke, This borderline? Every bristling shaft of pride Church or nation Team or tribe Every notion we subscribe to Is just a borderline Good or bad, we think we know As if thinking makes things so! All convictions grow along a borderline Smug in your jaded expertise You scathe the wonder world And you praise barbarity In this illusionary place This scared hard-edged rat race All liberty is laced with Borderlines Every income, every age Every fashion-plated rage Every measure, every gauge Creates a borderline Every stone thrown through glass Every mean-streets-kick ass Every swan caught on the grass Will draw a borderline You snipe so steady You snub so snide So ripe and ready To diminish and deride! You're so quick to condescend My opinionated friend All you deface all you defend Is just a borderline Just a borderline Another borderline Just a borderline - --Joni Mitchell Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:15:15 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: another Wallyk-Frednow Virus njc what can i say... i'm honored to be in fred's company. wally, fred's brother in virus > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Nuriel > Tobias > Enviado el: Viernes, 12 de Noviembre de 2004 11:33 p.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Woke up it was a jmdl posts checking and the first thing that i > knew was another Wallyk-Frednow Virus with a :) and a "Thanks" too > > > By now, i'm only worried that i may someday open my inbox and NOT > see that "thanks:)" thingy in it. > Honest! If this friendly worm would be, perish the thought, > missing - I'll just hang myself! > > Nuri > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:49:06 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) That separate political discussion list I wrote: >> And remember your trusty Delete and Scroll keys ... : And my dear friend Mark (also sick of politics) replied: > And remember that separate political discussion list? Does anybody remember > that? Anybody? Yes, it can be accessed at http://groups.yahoo.com/jmdlpc/ Created on Oct 8, 2002, by Les Irvin, "The JMDL Political List" boasts 12 members and has had a total of 37 posts since inception. I try, Mark, I really do try to get people to join the group and I periodically ask that folks take their political discussions there, but they just won't do it. I'm also guilty of not taking full advantage of it, although I have used it from time to time to send articles and links to its members (19 of the 37 posts are from me). I think it hasn't been a success because it just doesn't have the potential audience that the JMDL has. (You may read anything into that statement that you wish.) I don't know else what to do, other than to ask Les to subscribe people to the JMDLPC whether they like it or not. (I'm kidding, of course.) Anyway folks, it's there if you want to use it. It would be great if we did. Or ... if anyone can figure out or knows how to operate a proper bulletin board to facilitate political (or other) discussions, I think Les might be amenable to posting a link to it on the home page or in the left frame of www.jmdl.com Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:52:54 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) CORRECTION to "That separate political discussion list" It can be accessed at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jmdlpc/ Sorry for the typo. 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