From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #458 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, November 12 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 458 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni in 40 Winks [gerime ] Re: (brazen self-promotion) fred simon - new album (now some jc) ["Sherel] Re: (brazen self promotion) Fred Simon-new album NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: mandate, njc ["ron old mweb" ] Re: mandate, njc [Em ] gop party monsters njc ["ron old mweb" ] Elton John (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Rememberance / Armistice / Veteran's Day (njc) [Brian Gross ] Re: mandate, njc [dsk ] Again with the mandate thing, njc [dsk ] Re: mandate, njc [Em ] Re: Joni and music theory (Turbulent Indigo rhythm) [Howard ] Re: dark rings njc ["Donna Binkley" ] squash, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: dark rings njc [Catherine McKay ] I got the urge for going, but never seem to go... [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: mandate, njc [Lori Fye ] Re: dark rings njc [Lori Fye ] Re: (brazen self promotion) Fred Simon-new album NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Thanks :) ["Wallykai" ] Re: Thanks :) ["FredNow" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:46:41 +0000 From: gerime Subject: Joni in 40 Winks Hi Listers, out of lurkdome briefly; I went to see a play here in London at the Royal Court last week called 40 Winks. To my surprise it featured a little Joni; lights go down and out from the speakers we hear Joni singing ACOY, the whole of the song no less. A little later, after some dialogue we again hear ACOY this time playing backwards to signify a flashback in time. There was also a mention of her when one of the cast members enquires about the music playing, he is told "we don't have any Joni Mitchel I'm afraid". He was a tortured love soul, so it was only fitting he was a Joni fan. Gerry NP: Devendra Banhart- At The Hop ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:27:26 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: (brazen self-promotion) fred simon - new album (now some jc) Dear Fred, What fantastic news! I am especially gratified that you are so proud of your project. To me, that is what it's really all about. Can your CD be purchased online anywhere (CD Baby, Amazon.com)? Fred, I am really really happy for you and I would like to propose something to support you and all of our other artists on this list. I truly belive we have some of the most talented, most gifted artists on the planet right here on this list. Their is a depth of musicality and emotion that comes from our love for Joni. I know in my heart that she has been such a direct influence on us all. I know of some of our JMDL artists off the top of my head, but I know there are so many more that I don't know. What I am trying to get at is this; We've always tried to support one another through the years directly and indirectly and we have all been so proud of each other. I want to take it a step further and ask if we can create a JMDL Artist's Page with musical clips, pictures of paintings, whatever that artist does to show their creativity and a way for others viewing to support that artist. I would love to see a thank you or dedication to Joni for being an inspiration for our creativity some where on the page. I want Joni and everyone else to see what happens when a person follows their heart. That person becomes contagious and infects others so that they too become creative. Joni is like a ripple in a big pond that has affected everyone and everything around her. Our hearts are pure and full of admiration for this fact and I truly believe our art and creativity reflects that. I for one am committing right now, should this become a reality, to support every artist on that page or link. We've been together so long and helped each other through so much, it just feels like the right thing to do. Maybe down the road we can get some press about it and help promote each other better. There are so many on this list that have found very solid and tangible ways of supporting themselves as artists and so many others that are struggling to do the same. There are ways to survive and make a living in the world of the arts. For instance a friend of mine who is the PR Director for a straight ahead jazz club in St. Louis called "Jazz at the Bistro" suggested that I do a presale of my CD to offset costs of the initial printing and pressing of the CD and insert. Most of my woes have always come from being financially unable to print CD's or do anything else musically related. I know there are many others who can say the same thing that subscribe to the list. My family, who has equally thin pockets like mine but big hearts are seeing this as a real opportunity to help and have started committing to get 10 or more presales for me. Eureka! I know that there are other artists on this list that have come up with unique ways to support and promote themselves that could benefit others here who are trying to do the same. okay...turning the lightbulb off now!!! Sherelle Fred wrote: Dear friends, comrades, and the disconsolate -- In times like these we need even more music, more poetry, more art. Toward that end, I'm overjoyed to announce the release of my new album: REMEMBER THE RIVER Fred Simon - piano, Paul McCandless - woodwinds, Steve Rodby - acoustic bass It was recorded direct to stereo on the 25th and 26th of March, 2004, at Pick-Staiger Concert Hall by Ken Christianson, Pro Musica, Chicago. I'm gratified to have made this album at this moment along the way, and grateful to Paul and Steve for so generously giving such beautiful voice to my music. I hope every one of you, or even every other one of you, gets a chance to check it out ... I'm really proud of this record. Your fred, Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:30:33 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: (brazen self promotion) Fred Simon-new album NJC Hi Fred! It would help to scroll down a little further before asking where to purchase your CD!!!! Sorry! Sherelle REMEMBER THE RIVER The Naim Label (NaimCD081, Naimlp086) CD available now (vinyl! coming soon) at: http://promusicaaudio.com/ (United States) http://naim-audio.com/ (England) and coming soon to: http://cdbaby.com In Chicago, you can also get it at: Pro Musica, 2236 N. Clark Street, (773) 883-9500 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:48:09 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: mandate, njc Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > don't be a sore loser.. baby..it ISN'T very becoming. WHY? Because the > king got over fifty percent of the votes. As the saying goes, "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it." What your king does is going to effect us ALL, even you. Good luck. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:46:16 +0200 From: "ron old mweb" Subject: Re: mandate, njc hi >>>>bree wrote >>>>>WHY? Because the king got over fifty percent of the votes. ah - so they all thought they were voting for elvis????? finally - a plausible reason for him winning :-) ron np - las madras cansadas - joan baez ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:11:26 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: mandate, njc - --- dsk wrote: > What your king does is going to effect us ALL, even you. Good luck. > > Debra Shea I'm worried about our King's plan to privatize Social Security. I have nooooooooo faith in that. Em PIMH alllll morning long "CBSASF" lol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:50:30 +0200 From: "ron old mweb" Subject: gop party monsters njc hi heres a link to some of the new music from the new musicians replacing the ones who left the country on the last cruise...... http://www.goppartymonsters.com/ well worth a visit ron np - dr hook - last morning ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:48:17 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Elton John (njc) Anyone else pick up the new Elton John album, recorded here in Atlanta at Treesound Studios and aptly titled, Peachtree Road. I've only listened to it a couple of times and so far really like it. A big thumbs up!!! Victor NP: Elton John "I Stop and I Breathe" Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:59:11 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Rememberance / Armistice / Veteran's Day (njc) On this eleventh day of the eleventh month, I for one would like to thank the veterans among us still, and those in our collective hearts that are no longer with us, for their contributions that allow us to live in our world today. G-d help and bless us all. Brian, son and son-in-law of honoured WWII veterans __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:26:06 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: mandate, njc I'll show you a sore loser baby, ON YOUR F*CKING *SS!! : -) From: "Bree Mcdonough" To: treegreen1@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >don't be a sore loser.. baby..it ISN'T very becoming. WHY? Because the >king got over fifty >percent of the votes. >moi >From: "Marianne Rizzo" >What the heck is this "mandate" crap? > >another slippery sound bite _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:22:16 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: mandate, njc Em wrote: > > I'm worried about our King's plan to privatize Social Security. > I have nooooooooo faith in that. Me either. It will cost $2 trillion, lots of it in "set up" fees paid to banks, and for what benefit? Government savings programs with tax benefits already exist for people to take part in if they want to. Looking at and possibly readjusting how the social security program is funded is a good idea, but privatizing any of it is really meant to benefit the financial industry, just as the prescription plan was payback to the pharmaceutical companies. It's no surprise that financial institutions were, by far, the biggest contributors to Bush's campaign. The only way to benefit from Bush's plan is to become a major shareholder in a bank or financial firm. So, everyone, put those millions of extra dollars you have laying around into financial firm stock. Then someone really will be looking out for your best interests. Wealthy people won't be surviving on social security when they're old, so they don't care if the whole program is eventually so starved for funds that it has to fold. Pleasing the stockholders, and having a legal obligation to do ONLY that even if it means screwing consumers (most of whom are working people), is one of the characteristics of Capitalism. Some people call it beautiful. And then to have a president and conservative administration that won't even tax those huge profits your investment brings in, that surely is heaven on earth for a few people. No wonder the financial industry folks have given millions to support the Bushies. They'll be making it back a hundredfold or more. Meanwhile, most citizens can kiss their social security goodbye, and until it all disappears, pay even more taxes so this privatization scheme can subsidize the rich. Still disgusted that the Bushies tricked so many working people into voting for such self-serving pigs. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:31:35 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Again with the mandate thing, njc Lori Fye wrote: > > And since you brought up the "mandate" ... > > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2004/11/10/notes111004.DTL&nl=fix Wow. And I thought *I* was an annoying Democrat! I can fully understand and share this writer's anger, especially regarding this: > It is now ultrawealthy, power-hungry Bushite CEO versus, well, > the rest. Do you see? News flash to conservatives: Bush just pretended > to care about you, because he had to, because Karl Rove told him to, > because he needed your fear and your blind faith to win another term. > You matter about as much as a U.S. soldier in Fallujah, now. > > Oh how you will be disappointed from here on out. Oh how you will > gnash your teeth and sigh your sighs and wonder what the hell happened > to your fearful leader, why you feel so abandoned as your schools > implode and your health-care costs explode and your air quality > suffers and your jobs vanish and your women get smacked back to 1953 > and your kids die miserable and forgotten in Iraq. Yep. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:25:43 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: mandate, njc dang you rock! thats exactly what I was kind of thinking/suspecting, but wasn't sure how to word it. Did read a good article on Salon's website: http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/06/12/tax_cuts_and_social_security/index.html which I actually found linked through Mother Jones' website. But yeah, like you say, I also had this gut feeling that all this would end up with heavily lined pockets for *someone*, and that those "someones" would be in bed w/ and or umbilically connected to Bush somehow. Em - --- dsk wrote: > Em wrote: > > > > I'm worried about our King's plan to privatize Social Security. > > I have nooooooooo faith in that. > > Me either. It will cost $2 trillion, lots of it in "set up" fees paid > to > banks, and for what benefit? Government savings programs with tax > benefits already exist for people to take part in if they want to. > > Looking at and possibly readjusting how the social security program > is > funded is a good idea, but privatizing any of it is really meant to > benefit the financial industry, just as the prescription plan was > payback to the pharmaceutical companies. It's no surprise that > financial > institutions were, by far, the biggest contributors to Bush's > campaign. > > The only way to benefit from Bush's plan is to become a major > shareholder in a bank or financial firm. So, everyone, put those > millions of extra dollars you have laying around into financial firm > stock. Then someone really will be looking out for your best > interests. > Wealthy people won't be surviving on social security when they're > old, > so they don't care if the whole program is eventually so starved for > funds that it has to fold. Pleasing the stockholders, and having a > legal > obligation to do ONLY that even if it means screwing consumers (most > of > whom are working people), is one of the characteristics of > Capitalism. > Some people call it beautiful. And then to have a president and > conservative administration that won't even tax those huge profits > your > investment brings in, that surely is heaven on earth for a few > people. > No wonder the financial industry folks have given millions to support > the Bushies. They'll be making it back a hundredfold or more. > > Meanwhile, most citizens can kiss their social security goodbye, and > until it all disappears, pay even more taxes so this privatization > scheme can subsidize the rich. > > Still disgusted that the Bushies tricked so many working people into > voting for such self-serving pigs. > > Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:33:22 +0000 From: Howard Subject: Re: Joni and music theory (Turbulent Indigo rhythm) Turbulent Indigo uses what I like to call the "classic Joni shuffle". Several other songs use the same basic rhythm (e.g. Cherokee Louise and Crazy Cries of Love). It's not really a waltz, i.e it's not written in 3/4 time, but the rhythm does make use of lots of triplet rhythms (groups of three). Songs like this are often written out in 12/8, or sometimes 6/8. You might also see them written in 4/4 with the marking "shuffle time" or something similar. What makes this rhythm interesting is the contrast of the faster triplets against the slower, more even beat of four in the bar. If you try counting a simple 1 2 3 4, then replace each beat with a group of three: 1-2-3 2-2-3 3-2-3 4-2-3. That's the basic shuffle. Joni then does a lot of interesting accenting of the triplets, so the rhythm seems to pulse and ebb and flow against the steady beat of 4 that holds things together. Sometimes the triplet feel stands out, which is what gives it the "waltz" flavour, but there's always the contrast of the triplets against the slower beat of four that keeps it interesting (not to mention challenging to play on acoustic guitar!) Howard > From: Em > Subject: Re: Joni and music theory > > Hi Dan > maybe this is more a "rhythm" question than a melody question, but can > I correctly refer to Turbulent Indigo (the song) as a waltz? yes, no, > maybe? > :) > thx! > Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:51:21 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni and music theory (Turbulent Indigo rhythm) Hi Howard, thanks so much for the response, as well as the technical info. - --- Howard wrote: > Turbulent Indigo uses what I like to call the "classic Joni shuffle". > Several other songs use the same basic rhythm (e.g. Cherokee Louise > and > Crazy Cries of Love). Haven't heard those other 2 yet. So will be sure to pay attention then, when I do hear them. > Sometimes the triplet feel stands out, which is what gives it the > "waltz" flavour, but there's always the contrast of the triplets > against > the slower beat of four that keeps it interesting (not to mention > challenging to play on acoustic guitar!) Wonder how it would sound with 2 people playing it on guitar. I guess one thing it sort of reminds me of is people playing music together who have never played together before, but are feeling all loosy-goosy together and coming up with some awkward but somehow fascinating little riffs. Another thing that has occured to me, and this may really not apply for technical reasons (and I have no clue about this), is, what would it sound like if someone covered this and started off real tentative and weak and vulnerable but yet tenacious, and then some other guy came and jammed on it a bit, and THEN an orchestra (of indeterminate size or type) could come in at the end and blow your ears off with it and *FORCE* it into proper 4/4, and there would be an "everybody dance! ladies choice!" feel to it! heehehhhh.... would that be raping or abusing the song? No response required to my bit of madness. I'm (obviously) not a musician, but that little song just makes me wonder. Not sure why it sticks out. ;) thanks again! Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:39:13 +0000 From: tantra_apso Subject: dark rings njc I am about to sign off till the 22nd. Am off in my car to Oslo in the morning. Staying Friday night in Stabroek in belgium(nr Antwerp) with my friend Bianca and then making my way to Karen and Kim's(male) in Store Heddinge in Denmark, hopefully by Saturday night. if my health will stand it, I plan leaving Monday or Tuesday for Oslo in Norway. I will leave Thursday and drive down to my friends Sten and Ingla nr Falkenberg in Sweden and then on Friday back to karen and Kim's in time for the Danish Lhasa Apso Club Championship Show on the Saturday. I will leave after that and be back in England on the 22nd. According to a tv documentary on plastic surgery the latest craze for LA men and women is an 'anus peel'. Supposedly one's arsehole gets darker with age so these people have theirs peeled so it goes back to pink!!!!!!! My question - who the hell sees it? Do these LA people have their anuses (ani?) on show all the time? Or is it really true that in LA one has to lick arse to get ahead? Maybe then it makes sense. I thought I'd heard everything but this really takes the prize for most ridiculous vanity and waste of money. Mind you it does rather cause a giggle or two i suppose. Now I am off to see if I can that mirror positioned just right.... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:25:24 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: dark rings njc Dear Colin, All anuses aside - do have a wonderful trip and be safe! ha ha, love donna My question - who the hell sees it? Do these LA people have their anuses (ani?) on show all the time? Or is it really true that in LA one has to lick arse to get ahead? Maybe then it makes sense. I thought I'd heard everything but this really takes the prize for most ridiculous vanity and waste of money. Mind you it does rather cause a giggle or two i suppose. Now I am off to see if I can that mirror positioned just right.... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 19:31:47 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: squash, njc squash corner I'd like to recommend a tasty squash to you. It is ButtercCUP squash (not butterNUT). Cut the squash in half take out the seeds (roast them separately for about 10 minutes) put squash halves on a cookie sheet face down. .(you could add a little oil on the pan, or water) bake at about 350 for about 30-45 minutes until tender let cool for 3 minutes (breathe) add butter and salt it is a very rich quash with a deep orange color inside and two or so shades of green on the outside. makes a pretty centerpiece too very lovely you can see a picture: I went to google put in "buttercup squash" - --->Cook's Thesaurus then to - --->squashes and gourds pretty (sorry I couldn't make that simpler for you) squashes are beautiful Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:21:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: dark rings njc --- tantra_apso wrote: > I am about to sign off till the 22nd. Am off in my > car to Oslo in the > morning. Have a good trip! > According to a tv documentary on plastic surgery the > latest craze for LA > men and women is an 'anus peel'. Supposedly one's > arsehole gets darker > with age so these people have theirs peeled so it > goes back to pink!!!!!!! > > My question - who the hell sees it? Do these LA > people have their anuses > (ani?) on show all the time? Or is it really true > that in LA one has to > lick arse to get ahead? I think it's cuz they have their heads up their own arses and it's not pleasant. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:38:34 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: I got the urge for going, but never seem to go... Congratulations, Dr. Joan. Wish I could've been there. - -Julius Joni Mitchell Symposium Program Location: Redpath Hall 861 Sherbrooke Street West Montreal, Quebec H3A 2K6 October 27, 2004 10:00 Introductory remarks (Dean Don McLean) PANEL 1. Moderator, David Brackett (Music, McGill University) 10:15 Lloyd Whitesell (Music, McGill University), "Exploding the Song Cycle: Joni Mitchellbs Don Juanbs Reckless Daughter" 11:00 Jennifer Rycenga (Comparative Religious Studies, San Jose State University), bNot the Same Situation: Joni Mitchellbs Work as a Sonic Document of Feminismb 11:45 Udayan Sen (painter and frame conservator, Montreal), bbThe Seer and the Seen:b Self and Story in the Album Self-Portraits of Joni Mitchellb PANEL 2. Moderator, Line Grenier (Communication, UniversitC) de MontrC)al) 14:00 Jacqueline Warwick (Music, Dalhousie University), bI Drew a Map of Canada: Joni Mitchellbs Constructions of Placeb 14:45 Daniel Sonenberg (Music, University of Southern Maine), bbSpreading Her Gorgeous Wingsb: Joni Mitchellbs Adoption of Jazz in bThe Last Time I Saw Richardbb ROUND TABLE. Moderator, Daniel Levitin (Psychology, McGill University) 16:00-18:00 Ann Powers (Senior Curator, Experience Music Project, Seattle), "'Blue' and the Female Songwriter" Greg Tate (cultural critic, Village Voice), "How Black is Joni Mitchell?" John Kelly (performance artist, Harvard University), title TBA Howie Klein, respondent (former president, Reprise Records) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:21:17 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: mandate, njc > Still disgusted that the Bushies tricked so many working people into > voting for such self-serving pigs. USA = "Nation of sheep, ruled by wolves, owned by pigs." Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:30:44 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: dark rings njc > Or is it really true that in LA one has to lick arse to get ahead? Honey, what did you think "LA" stood for? ; ) (kiddingkiddingkiddingkiddingkidding! No offense intended, to anyone in La-La-Land!) Colin -- have a wonderful and restful journey! Love, Lori (Only in America, where people are so self-absorbed and ignorant about so many things, could the color of one's anus be of concern. Sheesh.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 01:10:40 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: (brazen self promotion) Fred Simon-new album NJC Hi Sherelle, It's not your fault! Apparently quite a few people didn't scroll down far enough ... it's probably because the way I laid it out made it look like another message, or a header or something. Anyway, thanks so much for your very kind words, and I hope you enjoy the album when you get the chance to hear it. Absolutely Joni has been a huge influence on me, and not just tangentially. I love your idea of an artists' page on the JMDL site, and the idea that we all support each other's ventures. I'm all for that. All the best, Fred In an email dated Thu, 11 11 2004 3:30:33 pm GMT, "Sherelle Smith" writes: >Hi Fred! > >It would help to scroll down a little further before asking where to >purchase your CD!!!! Sorry! > >Sherelle > > >REMEMBER THE RIVER >The Naim Label (NaimCD081, Naimlp086) >CD available now (vinyl! coming soon) at: > >http://promusicaaudio.com/ (United States) >http://naim-audio.com/ (England) > >and coming soon to: >http://cdbaby.com > >In Chicago, you can also get it at: >Pro Musica, 2236 N. Clark Street, (773) 883-9500 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:12:29 +0100 From: "Wallykai" Subject: Re: Thanks :) :) [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of price.com] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:13:52 +0100 From: "FredNow" Subject: Re: Thanks :) :)) [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of price.com] ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #458 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)