From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #450 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 6 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 450 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- something pro-active for the discouraged among us - NJC PC ["Marian Russe] Re: Ashcroft resigning? njc [FredNow@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #449njc [Kardinel@aol.com] bumpersticker (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] njc, ron's parade music -- LOL! ["Patti Parlette" ] RE: Jonifest and details [] Re: Jonifest and details ["Laurent Olszer" ] New Jonifest dates ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Kerry/Heinz NJC PC [dsk ] Re: Jonifest dates and details - NJC [Lori Fye ] Re: Jonifest dates and details - NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] New Jonifest dates ["Laurent Olszer" ] Chief Justice NJC [BRYAN8847@aol.com] RE: njc, ron's parade music -- LOL! ["hell" ] RE: njc, ron's parade music -- LOL! ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: [Don't Mourn, Organize] NJC PC [dsk ] Re: njc, ron's parade music -- LOL! ["ron old mweb" ] njc - blue states red states goes to show... [] NJC Re: njc - blue states red states goes to show...NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.co] Re: [Don't Mourn, Organize] NJC PC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni vs. Ashlee! ["Kay Ashley" ] Re: Kerry/Heinz NJC PC [waytoblu ] Re: Perfect Circle's "Fiddle and the Drum" ["willytheshake100" ] Re: [Don't Mourn, Organize] NJC PC ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Fw: Rickie's Birthday njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Jonifest info - another approach (NJC) [Lori Fye ] the relevance of an analytic approach to Joni's music [FredNow@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 03:25:30 -0500 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: something pro-active for the discouraged among us - NJC PC There is one pro-active thing that you might consider. The ACLU has been successful in the last four years in defending some of our liberties. You might consider becoming a card-carrying member and supporting their work (that is, if you aren't already a member: http://www.civillibertiesnow.org/ Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 03:50:43 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Ashcroft resigning? njc Dflahm@aol.com wrote: >>Our new Chief Justice! My thought exactly. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 05:09:49 EST From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #449njc You could have run John F. Kennedy against George Bush in this election and Bush would have won. Do you know the extent of the fundamentalism? It's God, guns, and gays. Other things don't matter. And what's wrong with Kerry? Nothing. He is a statesman and patriot. We dems never stand behind our candidates. The Republicans do with their candidates no matter what the flaws. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:47:45 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: bumpersticker (njc) "I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him" Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 16:00:24 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, ron's parade music -- LOL! jmdler ron wrote: (intro - military march band style drums) its an asshole celebration and theyre all out on the street see them on the sidewalk hear them shuffling feet theres twenny thousand assholes doin asshole promenade step aside good people theres the assholess on parade we got the assholes for freedom the assholes for fun the assholes for jesus the assholes for guns assholes for justice assholes for crime assholes for assholes assholes for all time we got assholes making money they making all the rules taking all our jobs filling up our schools assholes on the water assholes in the sjy sign that says help wanted, only assholes need apply oh teacher wont you tell me have i really made the grade ami head of my class or am i just another asshole on parade assholes give the orders, and assholes row the boat assholes get elected cause assholes get to vote i once heard it said that old assholes never die they just lay in bed and multiply assholes in the morning assholes every night assholes to the left and assholes to the right theres twenty thousand assholes doin asshole promenade step aside good people theres the assholes on parade assholes on parade - timbuk 3 - ----------- Thanks for the laughter through the tears, Ron! You know it's the same release....... Love and peace, Patti P.S. When discussing the election and the evangelists and churchgoers and all that, I proudly state that I am a Jonimitchellist and that 99.9 percent of us voted against Bush! _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:18:20 -0600 From: Subject: RE: Jonifest and details Laurent: There's going to be a Jonifest in France?? YOWSA!!! Please forgive for former ignorance, and my current enthusiasm: I've been living under a rock for the past three weeks. Seriously: this is something I'm tentatively very interested in. Unfortunately, the dates of August 6-8, 2005 might not be the greatest for me. Is this final? If not, is later in August possible? And where do I get more information?? Thanks much (and now feeling hopeful about something after a week of despair), Mary, who just may be an Italian citizen be then. Not kidding. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:43:26 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Jonifest and details > There's going to be a Jonifest in France?? YOWSA!!! > > Please forgive for former ignorance, and my current enthusiasm: I've been living under a rock for the past three weeks. > > Seriously: this is something I'm tentatively very interested in. Unfortunately, the dates of August 6-8, 2005 might not be the greatest for me. Is this final? If not, is later in August possible? > > And where do I get more information?? > > Not kidding. > Hi Mary The dates are not final yet but several people have indicated a strong preference for the 1st half of august, which necessarily means 6-8th because of tourist congestion towards the 15th and the 31st. I have no preference, just trying to satisfy the majority. I'll forward the details to you separately. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:24:08 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: New Jonifest dates Hi The middle of august seems more convenient for some people. Since we haven't really set the dates officially yet, would you be OK for august 13-15? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:03:50 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Kerry/Heinz NJC PC Victor Johnson wrote: > > I agree with the kerry/heinz post...they didn't call anyone names (except > for Kerry and since when are people not allowed to call politicians > names...people call Bush all sorts of things here-in any case, how is that > a personal affront towards anyone on this list)...they were very polite and > simply asking why there cannot be a more civil exchange of ideas and > beliefs. Who are all these "theys" you're talking about? And what's with this idea that the conservatives on the list are completely innocent picked-upon-for-no-reason people, and that whatever they write is completely objective and "intellectual"? That's not accurate and that recent message makes it obvious. I don't know how long you've been on the list, Victor, but in past years liberals here have been treated hatefully, scornfully, and called plenty of insulting names by right-wingers on the list. > Just because someone voted for Bush does not make them the > antichrist. Well, of course not, the world only needs ONE antichrist to lead the charge toward destruction. The people who voted for Bush are followers of the antichrist (in the same way that people support bullies, makes 'em big and tough just like the bully, and as long as they're not the bully's target, all's a-okay with them). > Did you ask them for any reasons why they feel that why.......no.....just a > couple of paragraphs of venting and namecalling. You mean did I ask the person calling Kerry/Heinz (as though they were both on the ticket; jeeeez!) assholes why that person feels that way? No, why would I? So, Victor, you're saying I (and all liberals here) should be accommodating to all such insulting behavior? Similar to the way the Democrats in Congress were accommodating to the Republicans, and they got squashed? Like that, you mean? So, Republicans can be as insulting as they wish, whether it's outright or passive-aggressively, and that's okay? So, it's okay, for example, for Cheney to tell someone in the Senate to fuck off, or okay for someone here to trash a movie she hasn't even seen and then insult the people who have seen it and who did like it by saying they all think alike (ironic, eh? considering the trasher just copied what conservative reviewers had written), but NOT okay for a Democrat to get a little testy? The right-wing, those "good Christian" people, have changed the golden rule to "I'll do unto you what I want and then complain when you do the same to me." It's unfortunate that so many good-hearted liberals are not only letting the conservatives get away with that change, but helping them do it by scolding their fellow liberals. > We're starting to get > some beautiful fall weather and I plan to spend more time enjoying it and > less time reading the jmdl. I agree that it's lost alot of the luster that > it once had. Who are you agreeing with here? This entire message is very confusing, Victor. Luster is in the eye of the beholder. When I joined the list in the pre-jonifest days, which was a very long time ago, some people then were making the very same complaint that, oh, the list just isn't what it used to be. Enjoy the fall weather. Debra Shea, in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:00:42 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Jonifest dates and details - NJC I recently switched to digest, so I'm even more behind than ever. I was surprised to read this, though, from Laurent: > Regarding the dates, I submitted august 6-8 and so far I've got commitments > from: Kate Bennett, Jerry Notaro, Emiliano, Stryngs, Martin Giles, Ron > ("Flopit"), Ashara; Lieve Reckers, Lori Fye, Gordon Mackie and I must be > forgetting a couple. Um ... Laurent, I don't know how you got the impression that I've made a commitment to attend Jonifest in France, but I won't be attending. Don't know where all I've written this, but the deal is this: My partner Mary has never been to Europe. I wouldn't dream of going to Europe without her. She will not ever, ever, ever attend a Jonifest. Therefore, I won't be flying to France for this one. > So it looks like it's going to be, doesn't it? I hope it goes well, that everyone has a fabulous time, and that there are reports of LOTS OF KISSING on Main Street!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 13:02:27 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: For Michael Paz (NJC) Michael, I don't have your email address handy, but I wanted to let you know that I'm thinking of your brother and you ... Much love, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:05:11 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Jonifest dates and details - NJC - ----- > Um ... Laurent, I don't know how you got the impression that I've made a > commitment to attend Jonifest in France, but I won't be attending> > Lori > I think I've got you mixed up wih another Lori who lives in Switzerland and who will be attending. Sorry Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:38:01 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: New Jonifest dates Hi, Laurent! I guess there's no problem for me about the exact dates in August. I mean: I'm free from work for the entire month Anyway, I'd prefer avoiding to drive long distance in 15th (due to heavy traffic), but that's no serious problem for my part. Many thanks for caring about this!!! Have a Wonderful time! Yours: Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Laurent Olszer" ... > Hi > > The middle of august seems more convenient for some people. > Since we haven't really set the dates officially yet, would you be OK for > august 13-15? > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:45:56 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: New Jonifest dates > Anyway, I'd prefer avoiding to drive long distance in 15th (due to heavy > traffic), but that's no serious problem for my part. > : Emiliano > You're absolutely right, the highways will be congested on that day. However if we already are at the fest on the 15th we don't care, and there are no highways there so no crowds except us! Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 13:52:32 -0500 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Chief Justice NJC Subject: Ashcroft resigning? Our new Chief Justice! Jesus, Mary and Joseph, help us! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 08:15:42 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: njc, ron's parade music -- LOL! Patti wrote: > P.S. When discussing the election and the evangelists and > churchgoers and all that, I proudly state that I am a > Jonimitchellist and that 99.9 percent of us voted against Bush! Hmmmm, I'm not sure I agree with your statistics, given that a large number of JMDLers don't live in the USA, but in Canada, England, Ireland, Wales, Scotland, France, Spain, Finland, Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland, Argentina, Brazil, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and numerous other countries around the world. And while we had no say whatsoever in your election, we still have to live with the results! Hell - not an American.... _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:25:34 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: njc, ron's parade music -- LOL! Oh, dear, forgive me Hell and everyone else! You know I meant no disrespect or neglect. What I should have said is that 99.9 percent here were against Bush, not that they voted for him. Sorry, I am still reeling from this week's "catastrophe pour l'Amerique et pour le monde." Still Sad in Storrs >From: "hell" >To: "Patti Parlette" , >Subject: RE: njc, ron's parade music -- LOL! >Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 08:15:42 +1300 > >Patti wrote: > > > P.S. When discussing the election and the evangelists and > > churchgoers and all that, I proudly state that I am a > > Jonimitchellist and that 99.9 percent of us voted against Bush! > >Hmmmm, I'm not sure I agree with your statistics, given that a large number >of JMDLers don't live in the USA, but in Canada, England, Ireland, Wales, >Scotland, France, Spain, Finland, Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, >Switzerland, Argentina, Brazil, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and >numerous other countries around the world. And while we had no say >whatsoever in your election, we still have to live with the results! > > >Hell - not an American.... >_________________________________________ >"To have great poets, there must be great >audiences too" - Walt Whitman > >Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell > > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:49:16 +0200 From: "ron old mweb" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #448 hi >>> a lurker from Albany NY wrote >>>>No one can listen to the other side anymore. Sounds like everybody thinks everybody on the other side is an asshole. Oh well. I'm disappointed with the election outcome too. I know full well though I can't get anyone on the other side to "get it". Americans thrive on hate, winning and losing, black and white. Gray areas are not our forte huh? well - i for one am feeling quite ashamed of, surprised by my outpouring of anger, & bitterness. i never will accept or understand or tolerate mr bush, or the vast majority of his supporters. but there are some folks i like & respect who support him. again - i dont think ill ever understand why - but that is their right, & they have the right to be treated with respect. tolerance, tolerance, tolerance is something i certainly seem to have forgotten....... so i would like to apologise - to all those folks who a) arent assholes and b) support bush. its your prerogative to have youur opinion, and not be belittled for it................ ron np - richard & linda thompson - strange affair - watching the dark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:44:36 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: [Don't Mourn, Organize] NJC PC Deb Messling wrote: > > I don't know what's more upsetting - the thought that the election might > have been stolen, or the thought that the election was legitimately won by > the intolerant religious right. Both scenarios make me feel so > helpless. A cynical charade of an election, or genuine majority-rule, > except the majority are bigots and fools. This is not the America I was > taught to believe in. As a secularist and a liberal, I scarcely feel > welcome in this country anymore. Me either. There's a distressing feeling of disconnection, as in "who are those people?" It bothers me a lot that Bush is claiming to speak now for all Americans. He is NOT speaking for me and 55 million other people here, but I doubt that people outside the U.S. will be able to keep that in mind. The churchgoers so easily manipulated by the conservatives, and who claim to believe in the "Prince of Peace," are not speaking for me either. It's hard to understand how the people who make the most noise about believing in Jesus are the ones who are most intolerant and fearful. One good thing about being in Manhattan, where 85% of the people voted for Kerry, is that there are plenty of people to commiserate with. Even the two Republicans I work with are decent enough to keep quiet for a while. As a cabbie told me Wednesday night, people here are very very sad. As a lawyer friend told me, Roe v. Wade will be overturned within two years. As another friend told me, there are stages to grief and we'll go through them together. That helps. Another thing that has helped is the email Michael Moore sent out today, which actually made me laugh (and I didn't think I'd be doing that for a very long time). If anyone wants to see it, I'll forward it to you. Jon Stewart on the Daily Show is making me laugh, too. I especially like the way he can't get over the fact that in NYC, target central for the terrorists and with more gays "per inch" (as he puts it) than probably anywhere else, 85% of the people here chose Kerry. Go figure. He manages to make that absurdity very funny. Debra Shea, in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:55:17 +0200 From: "ron old mweb" Subject: Re: njc, ron's parade music -- LOL! hi >>>hell wrote > Hell - not an American.... dont worry hell - i guess america's gonna be going all to hell real soon ron ps - not my music - written by timbuk 3 i guess something like 20 years ago??? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:21:39 +0000 From: Subject: njc - blue states red states goes to show... http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:42:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: njc - blue states red states goes to show...NJC _http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm_ (http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm) This couldn't be true...no way that SC is higher than 49! Seriously, I believe the hell out of this chart. Bob NP: Jolie Holland, "Damn Shame" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:27:21 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: [Don't Mourn, Organize] NJC PC I'm throwing this out because I know that many of you are more politically savvy than I...isn't the 2-year presidential term limit imposed by the Constitution? Is it possible given that Bush will stack the Supreme Court with conservatives that this amendment gets repealed and by 2008 Bush can be re-elected? Is it possible? Is it likely? My apologies in advance if it's a stupid question, my paranoia-meter is running a little into the red these days. Bob NP: Joni/Herbie, "The Man I Love" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:02:42 -0500 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Joni vs. Ashlee! Dear Listers, The Honduran Fertility Goddess has decided to make a pronouncement. I'll get back to you on that. In the meantime, I have received the following bit from the Knitting Factory email newsletter, and I thought that all of you would appreciate it: Knitting Factory Newsletter 11/05/04 Whats up NYC? Ill tell you whats up! Instead of just sitting idly by as the strings of the puppet continue to get pulled we are going to keep on working to make this a better world! We here at the Knitting Factory are not going to let what has to be one of the biggest disappointments in our nations history pass without incident. We as a people deserve better, America! We WILL NOT let this tragedy just happen! Yes, I am talking about the Ashlee Simpson debacle (or am I?)! Knitting Factory along with H.O.P.E. (Horrified Observers of Pedestrian Entertainment) are offering the good people of America who have been duped into buying Ashlee Simpson's CD a reprieve; the opportunity to turn in her CD for one of a higher entertainment quality. Just bring your Ashlee Simpson CD down to the Knitting Factory Box Office between 10 and 5 PM Mon thru Sat and get one by the likes of Elvis Costello, The Ramones, X, Jimmy Page and Robert Plant, Aretha Franklin, Mr. Bungle, Ray Charles, Abe Lincoln Story, Grateful Dead, Neil Hamburger, Joni Mitchell, and Brian Wilson (while supplies last / selections vary) courtesy of Rhino Records in replacement. God, Yaweh, Jevovah, and Allah Bless America. - ------------------------- In other news, Jenny Goodspeed came down to NYC a couple of weekends ago to record some harmonies for me on my cover version of "Pink Moon" -- it sounds great, I have to say! I should have her sing my whole record for me! Thanks again, Jenny -- that was so much fun, and you added so much. A few days later I hooked up with our favorite Utah Hussy, Alison Einerson and our favorite member of Mandonna, Patrick Leader, for dinner -- Alison is sparkling beautifully with her lovely engagement ring and her new dye job, and Patrick is glowing with new-found health and a chic short haircut. Ashara, he is looking more and more like Viggo every day! Sorry to have been so incommunicado, ya'll -- I miss the Uncle Festers and will always think of our time at Full Moon with great love and gratitude. Love, Kay npimh: the despairing screams of depressed liberals everywhere. _____________________________________________________________ The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of its content to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:47:14 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: waytoblu Subject: Re: Kerry/Heinz NJC PC Who are all these "theys" you're talking about? And what's with this idea that the conservatives on the list are completely innocent picked-upon-for-no-reason people, and that whatever they write is completely objective and "intellectual"? I was referring to dfrench. And I never said anything about any group of people. Dfrench was simply asking for an exchange of ideas without all the namecalling and volatile responses. I'm neither a conservative or a liberal but I wouldn't agree that everybody who voted for Bush is a born again christian/fundamentalist. I know one person, for example, who voted for Bush but voted against the gay marriage amendment. What alot of this seems to turn into is each side calling the other evil, which in my opinion accomplishes very little except for letting off steam. And another thing, Kerry is still a senator. Why doesn't he try to implement one his many plans in the senate. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:59:53 -0000 From: "willytheshake100" Subject: Re: Perfect Circle's "Fiddle and the Drum" Bob, Thanks for sending the Fiddle/Drum. Not sure what to make of it on first hearing. It sounds computer generated - ye know, lacking those slight imperfections that reflect the soul. Yes it sounds too perfect. Should I be reading something into the name? Imperfections might be the wrong word. Have a swell weekend. WtS > Subject: Re: Subject: Perfect Circle's "Fiddle And The Drum" > Coming at ya, fellas - I'd love to hear your thoughts. > > Peace, > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:13:22 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: [Don't Mourn, Organize] NJC PC Oh, thanks for giving me something else to worry about. But the Supreme Court can't repeal the amendment by themselves. An amendment has to be approved by a two-thirds majority of both houses of Congress, and then it has to be ratified by three-fourths of the states. So it's not that easy, although not impossible. At 04:27 PM 11/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I'm throwing this out because I know that many of you are more politically >savvy than I...isn't the 2-year presidential term limit imposed by the >Constitution? Is it possible given that Bush will stack the Supreme Court >with >conservatives that this amendment gets repealed and by 2008 Bush can be >re-elected? Is it possible? Is it likely? > >My apologies in advance if it's a stupid question, my paranoia-meter is >running a little into the red these days. > >Bob > >NP: Joni/Herbie, "The Man I Love" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:21:17 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: [Don't Mourn, Organize] NJC PC > has to be ratified by three-fourths of the states. So it's not that easy, > although not impossible. True, but have you forgotten about Jeb? PattyO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:26:47 -0500 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Kerry/Heinz NJC PC > What alot of this seems to turn into is each side calling the other evil, which in my opinion accomplishes very little except for letting off steam. > > And another thing, Kerry is still a senator. Why doesn't he try to implement one his many plans in the senate. > > Victor Well said Victor, except I would say calling the other side evil accomplishes nothing, including letting off steam, if anything it creates more hatred. PattyO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:33:18 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Kerry/Heinz NJC PC Debra--- "Right-winger" to me connotes extremist. Yes, there are members of JMDL who are not liberals, but since Marcel Deste left, I don't think I'd call the not-liberal posts I've read here examples of "right-wing" thought. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:29:49 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Perfect Circle's "Fiddle And The Drum" Very interesting version. I'm an old fogey so I hadn't heard any of Perfect Circle's other music (or that of Tool, either, although I at least had heard of Tool) so I checked out the clips on Amazon ... pretty interesting covers of Lennon, Gaye, Lowe, Led Zep. Really beyond covers, in some cases more like re-composition ... Imagine and (WSFB)PL&U? are now in minor tonality, strange but cool. I was tempted to check more of it out. As far as F&D, I dug it in and of itself, but compared to how far they took other songs I was a little disappointed they didn't go further with this one. But it stands up fine on its own terms ... it's mainly based on that drone-y martial sound, which is entirely appropriate, and they do it well. The fast quiver of some of their vibrato bugs me a little, although not as bad as Buffy St, Marie. I guess my main complaint, if I had to have one, is that Joni's single-line version actually implies much more varied harmonic content than they used. Speaking of CSN&Y, I'd like to hear a version by them along the lines of Crosby's song I'd Swear There Was Somebody Here from his seminal solo album If I Could Only Remember My Name ... now *that's* some adventurous (for this genre, at least) harmony -- more clusters and color tones, thicker, "consonant dissonance." Still, really nice to hear some of the younger folks discovering the classics, and F&D is right on time ... what a great song. Thanks, Bob. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:39:22 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: [Don't Mourn, Organize] NJC PC The two-term limit for President of the US was the result of a constitutional amendment in the ??? 50s/60s/70s. I forget which. I guess it could be repealed, like Prohibition. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:41:58 -0800 (PST) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: New Jonifest dates i'm okay with that date or the original one... we are making this into a longer trip- barcelona & a friend of jeff's in italy on either side of the time in france... is it only the 15th that is higway conjested? Laurent Olszer wrote: >> Anyway, I'd prefer avoiding to drive long distance in 15th (due to heavy >> traffic), but that's no serious problem for my part. >> > : Emiliano >> > You're absolutely right, the highways will be congested on that day. > However if we already are at the fest on the 15th we don't care, and there > are no highways there so no crowds except us! > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:08:51 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Perfect Circle's "Fiddle And The Drum" **Should I be reading something into the name? Oh Willy - you and your wordplay! :~) I actually found it flawed enough to really like it, and they threw some interesting harmonic curveballs. Thanks a bunch for your opinion, and you too Fred. My offer remains open to anyone who wants to hear it. Bob NP: Arrested Development, "Natural" (sounds like the weekend 2 me!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:23:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Amy Correia - Lakeville NJC Perhaps some of you are familiar with Amy...I saw her and was blown away when she opened for Richard Thompson when he played here last. I bought her CD 'Carnival Love' the next day and have been digging it ever since and eagerly awaiting her next one. Well, that time has come, and 'Lakeville' (named after her hometown of Lakeville, MA) is out, and damned if it ain't better than her last one - I'm blown away all over again, which is odd for me actually. Typically I get my hopes up too high and am disappointed, but isn't it nice when a new release exceeds your expectations. She's great live, and I read in a No Depression magazine article (thanks Jody-girl!!) that she wanted to create her new record with more of a live feel to it. Check it out if you're so inclined - I think Joni fans will enjoy it. _http://www.amycorreia.com/_ (http://www.amycorreia.com/) Bob NP: Mike Beck, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:11:30 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: New Jonifest dates is it only the 15th that is higway conjested? > Kate And the beginning and end of the month. Also to a lesser extent every saturdays because that when summer rentals end. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:38:30 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Fw: Rickie's Birthday njc From the Rickie Lee Jones website. If anybody wants to send Rickie a birthday greeting, there's a link. I just sent mine. Mark E's (still) in Love (with Rickie Lee) newsletter@rickieleejones.com wrote: > The following message is an announcement from the Rickie Lee Jones > Web Site. > > Rickie will be playing the following shows this month: > > November 6th @ Theater at Newbury High School > time to be announced > address: Newburyport, Massachusetts > call: 978-462-9630 (Dyno Records) > > November 7th @ World Cafe Live > time: doors open at 6:00 PM, show at 7:30 PM > address: 3025 Walnut Street, Philadelphia > call: 215-222-1400 > > Maui Music Fest November 19th! > Rickie will appear with Rob Wasserman as special guest > of Willie Nelson concert benefits the Montessori > School of Maui. Tickets now available by phone: > (800) 242-7469 > Maui Fest information online at: http://www.mauimusicfest.com/. > > Join us in celebrating Rickie's birthday, November 8th. Leave a > personal birthday greeting. More information at > http://www.furnitureforthepeople.com/birthdaypage.htm > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > How to use this mailing list: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > You received this e-mail newsletter because you signed up for it at > the Rickie Lee Jones Web Site. To remove yourself from this list, > please visit http://www.rickieleejones.com and follow the > instructions. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 23:51:43 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Jonifest info - another approach (NJC) Laurent, here's another idea: Rather than have the ongoing conversations go back and forth on the Joni list without an NJC tag, how about periodically sending an invitation to "Jonifest in France" to the list? Maybe send one each month, and more often as the event date nears. DO send the invitation without the tag so that everyone will receive it. But please try to avoid sending the back and forth planning discussions to the list. This would also be advisable for "Jonifest the Cruise." Thanks all, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:09:52 -1000 From: "dfrench" Subject: Re: i voted for bush - njc my mistake for not using the njc in my initial post...apologies to all concerned. from all the off list emails i received it seems that there are a lot of people who dont contribute because of the obvious left leaning nature of those who 'post the most' ........and thanks to all who gave me a tongue lashing .......and to those who disagreed but understood our differences and ended with good cheer . and thank you' in NYC' for your restraint in not calling me stupid, ignorant, easily manipulated and cowardly., you are too kind , btw my comment "Kerry/Heinz is too much of an asshole to be president" didnt come about from news snippets or rush limbaugh(sp?) i did my D&D for my vote as i do with the rest of my business, and god knows that this time around it was more complex than the last. i voted for clinton twice , the first time because daddy bush said "read my lips no new taxes" and let it happen then the second because dole was too weak a candidate without passion just seemed to be the republican clone i was dissappointed at the end of clintons last term i wish his morals (dick) were a bit more serious to the high office he held and not disgrace american politics thru the world and his wife to try and fix health care, she should stick to cattle futures and big land development but what a brilliant move to run for senate in NYC of all places isnt charly rangle there in harlem? i wonder why he sponsored that draft bill then didnt vote for it? as did our hawaii rep neil abercrombie and wasit 13 other dems then accuse bush of planning to instigate the draft? HMMMMMM curious i voted against gore for his lies of how seniors would be eating dog food, school kids would starve because of the lunch program , how social security would collapse , the economy would go to shit and the devil would consume us all unless we chose HIM. i didnt trust the first bush at the end of his first term and i lost my trust of clinton in his second , i trusted bush over gore and trust him more than kerry, am i a republican? im not sure i voted for more democrats total the other day and im confident of my vote , based on my DD and i concluded that 'Kerry/Heinz is too much of an asshole to be president' thats my opinon and . an interesting comment is that 'everyone needs an asshole or else we would be all full of shit' thanks for that i am LOL jerry?? if anyone is interested our local NPR station is having our semi annual fund drive KKCR and there is a late nite show on saturday from 10- 2am ,HST "the down low show" dj'd by laura christine and she plays much joni, im sure its streaming so give it a thot. you can become a member for the low price of $40 and youll get a hat and tshirt from "kauai community radio" and dont forget the unbiased npr news wow....such a deal.. and btw the semi annual red cross blood drive starts just after thanksgiving im not sure if its national or state specific but if youe in hawaii stop by and trade some blood for a macadamia nut cookie and a cup of passion orange guave juice. aloha, dean french ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:30:44 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: the relevance of an analytic approach to Joni's music Dan, I totally agree. Investigating the nuts and bolts of *any* music I love has *never* diminished its magic, in fact, only amplified it. You may or may not be familiar with scientist Richard Feynman, and this marvelous quote of his: "I have a friend who's an artist, and he sometimes takes a view which I don't agree with. He'll hold up a flower and say, 'Look how beautiful it is,' and I'll agree. But then he'll say, 'I, as an artist, can see how beautiful a flower is. But you, as a scientist, take it all apart and it becomes dull.' I think he's kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people--and to me, too, I believe. Although I might not be quite as refined aesthetically as he is, I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. But at the same time, I see much more in the flower than he sees. I can imagine the cells inside, which also have a beauty. There's beauty not just at the dimension of one centimeter; there's also beauty at a smaller dimension. There are the complicated actions of the cells, and other processes. The fact that the colors in the flower have evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; that means insects can see the colors. That adds a question: does this aesthetic sense we have also exist in lower forms of life? There are all kinds of interesting questions that come from a knowledge of science, which only adds to the excitement and mystery and awe of a flower. It only adds. I don't understand how it subtracts." I take this statement as a resounding endorsement of the relevance of an analytic approach to Joni's music ... it only adds; I don't understand how it subtracts. I hope to read your dissertation some day. All best, Fred Simon Shnootre@aol.com wrote: >>I wanted to respond to the question of the relevance of an analytic approach >>to Joni's music. I am actually a performer and a composer, and yes, more >>recently, a scholar. For me it does a disservice to Joni's art to simply >>dismiss the technical components of her work as irrelevant, or secondary to >>the emotional or poetic content. These things all go hand in hand. A good >>music theorist is drawn to a work he or she loves, and sets about trying to >>come to terms with its magic. This involves considerations of context, poetic >>text, a whole bunch of "intangibles," and yes, specific consideration of the >>music's technical construction. It's true, theorists (and I generally don't >>consider myself a "theorist") can lose the forest for the trees, but a good >>analysis avoids doing just that. Joni is a strikingly innovative and original >>composer, and for a daylong symposium on her accomplishment to gloss over the >>nuts and bolts of some of her music making would seem to me to be a shame. >>The Monteal Gazette article poked fun of me for devoting a 45 minute >>discussion to a single song ("The Last Time I Saw Richard") and claiming not >>to have time to address the intro. (Actually it was a 20 minute talk, w/ 25 >>minutes of questions). I ask you this: is it really so inconceivalbe that >>there should be 20, or even 45 minutes worth of things to say about "The Last >>Time I Saw Richard"? >> >>Anyway, I hope I don't sound bitter or embattled or anything. I'm definitely >>not. Participating in the symposium was one of the most memorable and >>wonderful experiences of my life - meeting Joni was everything I imagined it >>would be and then some. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #450 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)