From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #446 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 3 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 446 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc ["ron old mweb" ] Election - NJC ["hell" ] Re: njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Thanks :) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Thanks :) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Election - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: njc ["Steven Polifka" ] Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise" NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] virus on the list [mags h ] Re: Very happy for Joni (Now NJC) ["Steven Polifka" ] (NJC) Wallow In Chaos, And Laugh [Lori Fye ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] virus on the list [Michaelpaz@aol.com] Re: It played! It played! And I missed it!!!! (NJC) ["Donna Binkley" ] Jonifest 2005 The Cruise ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: njc ["Victor Johnson" ] Dave Van Ronk and Stonewall - njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Dave Van Ronk and Stonewall - njc ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise" NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2005 The Cruise [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise" NJC ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Ani De Franco in Dublin - NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: BUSH again - i blame the gays - NJC [Brian Gross ] my dissertation etc. [Shnootre@aol.com] Re: BUSH again - i blame the gays - NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] USA only: SAVE THE COUNTRY!! njc [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:31:35 +0200 From: "ron old mweb" Subject: Re: njc hi vince wrote >>>>> I weep. the whole world weeps with you ron feeling totally shocked by the news this morning ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:51:03 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Election - NJC Can someone tell me why CNN.com has GW with 254 Electoral Votes and JFK with 242, and NBC.com has GW with 269 Electoral Votes and JFK with 221? I know the counts are provisional at this stage, but this seems like a pretty big discrepancy? Are the networks biased or something - I assume they're looking at much the same data? Anyway, it seems like we've got a few days yet before the final results are in - doesn't look great for JFK though... Hell - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:45:22 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc --- ron old mweb wrote: > hi > > > vince wrote > >>>>> I weep. > > the whole world weeps with you > > > > ron > feeling totally shocked by the news this morning > Amen. And oh fuuuuuuuuuccccccckkkkkkk! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:47:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Thanks :) --- FredNow wrote: > :) > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type > application/octet-stream which had a name of > Joke.cpl] > I've received a few of these, a couple with Wally K's name and the other (supposedly) from Fred. I am so glad I have regularly updated antivirus software and that smoe removes attachments. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:30:52 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Thanks :) Just to clear things up, this is a new anti virus program and doesn't mean the list is infected or that a list member has sent a virus. It is a smart worm that reads your address book and sends it out as an alias. These messages means the anti virus program is working well. Jerry > --- FredNow wrote: >> :) >> >> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type >> application/octet-stream which had a name of >> Joke.cpl] >> > > I've received a few of these, a couple with Wally K's > name and the other (supposedly) from Fred. I am so > glad I have regularly updated antivirus software and > that smoe removes attachments. > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> - - > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:32:41 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Election - NJC It is because some of those numbers are projections and not final counts. Some are more leery of projecting after the Bush-Gore fiasco where Gore was predicted the winner after giving Florida to him. Jerry > Can someone tell me why CNN.com has GW with 254 Electoral Votes and JFK with > 242, and NBC.com has GW with 269 Electoral Votes and JFK with 221? I know > the counts are provisional at this stage, but this seems like a pretty big > discrepancy? Are the networks biased or something - I assume they're > looking at much the same data? > > Anyway, it seems like we've got a few days yet before the final results are > in - doesn't look great for JFK though... > > > Hell > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > "To have great poets, there must be great > audiences too" - Walt Whitman > > Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:07:14 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: njc I have lost my faith. There was none early on, but last week it was renewed, only to zap my strength this morning. I had an unpleasant voting experience, however, I met nothing but Kerry supporters which uplifted my spirits and gave me more strength to endure the cold, misinformation and downrith nasty Bush supporters on the streets. I hope that Kerry holds out till every frickin' vote is counted, if only to make The Gross Opposition to sane People sweat! Steve >>> vince 11/03/04 12:20AM >>> a part of me wants to say, My God, My God, why have you forsaken us. but the reality is: we did not do it. We did not do it. I tremble for the future of this country, with right wing supreme court appointments (and the over ruling of Roe v wade), cowboy war games, and the US being Rome - the target of the Goths and Visigoths, the terrorists - the unemployment, outsourcing, loss of middle class, and the arrogance that has led to the evils that have been done. I fear. "My God", that is something we cannot say. We failed, we failed, we failed. WE failed. We FAILED. I weep. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:25:15 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise" NJC After seeing this come up again & the request to hear from those who've attended a Jonifest, I apologize for not chiming in yet... I love New Orleans & have been bugging Paz forever to have another Fest there (like Maggie I missed the first one regretfully)... but I can honestly say that I have no interest in going on a cruise... Jeff & I are pretty certain we will be going to France Jonifest (& finally having a honeymoon!) & we are not sure if we'd have time or $$ to also do New Orleans but perhaps it would be possible- we'll have to play that by ear (what was the date again?)... but I think its nice to have so many options so thank you to Paz & Donna & Laurent for doing all the organizing for these wonderful alternatives... I imagine there are many who can't do France that would love the NO//cruise option... or perhaps just the NO portion... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:35:48 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: virus on the list as Wally said, it seems there is definitely a virus on the list. I keep getting mails with a smiley and that's all, no text, from people I know. And the subject is Re: Thanks. Barg, I'm sure it's harmless, and annoying. Mags..... npimh: All the news of home you read, just gives you the blues.....more about the war and the bloody changes. ... - ----- www.thelionandtherosegallery.com - ----- http://www.spiritscall.com/frames.html - ----- Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:37:06 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: Very happy for Joni (Now NJC) Thanks Sherelle! Oh, and congrats on the air play! Whoo hoo! You go girl- live that dream and enjoy every moment! Hugs, Steve >>> "Sherelle Smith" 11/01/04 01:55PM >>> Well said too, Steve!!!!! I like how you worded that!!! ("People are not paint by numbers") I think we all have those struggles within ourselves. It is part of the human experience. I do a song a cappella sometimes from Melissa Manchester where some of the lyrics go; "I'm gonna laugh, till it hurts, and cry till you fill me Because I may never, never, never pass this way no more And I will not apologize If we don't wear the same shoe size Gonna try-try to be happy now...." That's what I hear you saying Steve! Sherelle (NPIMH-Trying to be Happy Now by Melissa Manchester off of Home to Myself album) >From: "Steven Polifka" >To: >CC: >Subject: Re: Very happy for Joni >Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:28:51 -0600 > >Well said, Sista! > If we really love and respect someone, we must love and respect them >for where they are NOW... > Yesterday, Jeff and I celebrated (sorta- I didn't see him most of the >day-lol) our second anniversary. I am truly blessed, despite some of the >struggles I have within myself lately on other issues. > It amazes me that i have heard so many women (and men for that >matter) will talk about their potential spouse's hobby's or habits, or >recreational activities >and in the next breath say, "Well THAT'S gonna change once we get >married!" Those loves of your life are who they are because of what >they've experienced, dears. People aren't paint by numbers. If you want >that, wait 'til androids are legal- then we'll talk. > There are not a lot of things that I'd want to change about Jeff- >well, one, but I guess I can deal with coffee breath mornings...lol. > As for Joni, I too miss her 'commercial' creativity. But if she >wants to paint, I say YOU GO GIRL! Slap those hairs off those brushes! >Whip some >canvas into a portrait! > >Steve > > >>> "Sherelle Smith" 10/29/04 09:17AM >>> >(Snip) > >She has taught me that it is okay not to be perfect. She has taught me >so >much more than beautiful chords and haunting words. She has taught me >how to >be a better human being by being an imperfect one. I'm fighting back >the >tears on this one because I have never known anyone who has had the >kind of >courage to show herself in such a brutally honest manner. It's not that >one >puts her on a pedestal as that would negate the whole concept of what I >am >trying to say; but one cannot help but be awed and inspired by who she >is >and what she has done in her lifetime. > >For those of you who have had an opportunity to speak to her or reach >her >directly or indirectly, you are very fortunate indeed. You should savor >and >cherish that moment. This is a great lady because she made a choice a >long >time ago to dare to be different. By doing so, she has impacted so many > >other lives. She has dared to be fallible in a world where perfection >is the >only standard. She has allowed herself to feel joy and pain and she >shared >it with us. Anyone who listens to her music is privileged to get a >glimpse >into her real world. That's why people love her so. It's just plain >admiration from one human being to another. > >So now? Now I would love Joni to enjoy the fruits of her labors. At >this >time of her life, if she feels like singing, I would like her to sing. >If >she feels like stepping back, then I want her to step back. I want her >to do >whatever makes her happy in her life right now. I want her to enjoy her > >grandchildren and enter into that "rest" I feel she deserves. I am so >saturated and content with her life and her music. It's a good >feeling..... > >Sherelle > >_________________________________________________________________ >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:46:40 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Wallow In Chaos, And Laugh Best essay of the moment: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2004/11/03/notes110304.DTL&nl=fix Lori - -- Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote.* - George Jean Nathan *like my sister-in-law in Ohio, who did not even register ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:43:54 EST From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] virus on the list Wow I got several of these from Wally. I thought he had just gotten laid and was celebrating. In a message dated 11/3/2004 9:42:05 AM Central Standard Time, magsie_h@yahoo.com writes: > Subj: [NortheastJonifest] virus on the list > Date: 11/3/2004 9:42:05 AM Central Standard Time > From: magsie_h@yahoo.com > Reply-to: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com > To: joni@smoe.org, northeastjonifest@yahoogroups.com > Sent from the Internet > > > > as Wally said, it seems there is definitely a virus on the list. I keep > getting mails with a smiley and that's all, no text, from people I know. And the > subject is Re: Thanks. > Barg, I'm sure it's harmless, and annoying. > > Mags..... > > npimh: All the news of home you read, just gives you the blues.....more > about the war and the bloody changes. ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:08:39 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: It played! It played! And I missed it!!!! (NJC) Congratulations Sherelle!! I hope to hear you on the smooth jazz station in Houston some day! Keep on rockin girl. love ya, db >>> "Sherelle Smith" 11/2/2004 3:31:29 PM >>> Hi my friends! I received an email this morning from Al Santos of Smooth Jaz 105.9's Sunday Brunch telling me that he played one of my songs on his show this past Sunday!!!!!!! I was getting over some sort of bug this past weekend so I wasn't feeling so hot, plus I was under the impression that he was waiting for me to send a finished product to him first so I didn't even turn the radio on Sunday!!!!! I was floored!!!!! I made airplay!!!! That means so much to me because it is a dream realized. Even though it is just a small step, it is in the right town. This show, Sunday Brunch is huge!!!!!! Now I must work fast to get some copies out on the market and on CD Baby. I am hoping that Al's playing my music will get me on other Sunday Brunches at other Smooth Jazz stations. I want to keep taking baby steps but move forward. Wow! Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:02:10 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Rhythm & Torch at the M&M Club 11-7-04 (njc) Hello all! This is just a little reminder to see Rhythm & Torch at the M & M Club, 124 North Water Street, Milwaukee, From 7:00 pm until 10:00 pm. So who is Rhythm & Torch? Yolonda Roth on Vocals Tony Jefferson on Congas and percussion and myself, Steve Polifka on Keys and vocals What do we do? We perform what I jokingly call modern torch songs- with rhythm! Some originals, songs from Annie Lennox, Marc Cohn, Joni Mitchell, Joe Cocker, CSN&Y, Oleta Adams and others populate our set list. Both upbeat and mellow, we present a bit of everything for your listening pleasure. So stop on down and say hi. have a drink. Listen to a song or two- We would love to see you there! Steve Rhythm & Torch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:36:41 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc,laughing it all away..... Smurf and Catherine: I'm behind on my digest-reading and just saw your posts from Sunday: Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:35:55 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC The Republicans Blow it Again Musically NJC About a choice for music for W & Co., Bob writes: >I guess "School's Out" wouldn't be a good choice. > Don't the lyrics say, "School's out for ever?" Given the current occupant of the White House and the current proud-to-be-stupid attitude of so many voters in the US, I think that song would be perfect. Not too many songs to choose from really, considering the fact that no one ever wrote "Papa Was a Rolling Director of the Central Intelligence Agency." Oh, the trials of a born-again, aging cheerleader ... - - --Bob, turning pumpkins into jack-o-lanterns - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:38:41 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC The Republicans Blow it Again Musically NJC Catherine suggests: >Oops, I did it again? > "Don't Stop Thinking About al Qaeda?" - - --Smurf ... in a blue state, natch YOU TWO SLAY ME WITH YOUR WIT! Thanks for the bust-up laughter you just got out of me! I needed that, today of all days. Laughing it all away...... Big group hug, Sleepless and Sad and Surly in Storrs _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:10:23 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Jonifest 2005 The Cruise Hi Everyone, Thanks so much to everyone who has responded so far about the possibility of a Jonifest 2005 Cruise. Many people have expressed that the cruise is too expensive or that they would just like to meet in New Orleans instead. Anyone who would be interested in choosing to come to New Orleans and not the cruise - or vice versa could absolutely do so. Here are a couple of alternative cruises that might be possible. They are shorter and therefore less expensive. Click on the link for details about the ship, the itinerary etc. SENSATION http://www.carnival.com/CMS/Ships/FunShips.aspx Departs Thursday, November 10, 2005 for four nights Category 4A - Inside Cabin on Riviera Deck with possible upgrade to higher deck $280 per person non-charity $300 pp ($20 goes to charity - Carnival will match $20) Category 6A - Oceanview on Riviera Deck with possible upgrade to higher deck $330 per person non-charity $350 pp ($20 goes to charity - Carnival will match $20) 4A cabin guarantee - 3rd/4th person is $100 pp cruise only 6A cabin guarantee - 3rd/4th person is $120 pp cruise only Suite guarantee - 1st/2nd person is $650 pp cruise only - 3rd/4th person is $120 pp Additionally, port charges, taxes and government fees will run $116.12 per person. Gratuities will run $10pp per day = $40 pp Optional insurance = $49 per adult/$29 per child under 16 SENSATION Departs Monday, November 14, 2005 for five nights Category 4A - Inside Cabin on Riviera Deck with possible upgrade to higher deck $250 per person non-charity $275 pp ($25 goes to charity - Carnival will match $25) Category 6A - Oceanview on Riviera Deck with possible upgrade to higher deck $300 per person non-charity $325 pp ($25 goes to charity - Carnival will match $25) 4A cabin guarantee - 3rd/4th person is $110 pp cruise only 6A cabin guarantee - 3rd/4th person is $130 pp cruise only Suite guarantee - 1st/2nd person is $730 pp cruise only - 3rd/4th person is $130 pp Additionally, port charges, taxes and government fees will run $145.08 per person. Gratuities will run $10pp per day = $50 pp Optional insurance = $59 per adult/$39 per child under 16 Please let us know what you think. Love Donna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:53:07 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: njc > > ron > > feeling totally shocked by the news this morning > > > > Amen. And oh fuuuuuuuuuccccccckkkkkkk! I've been pretty silent throughout this whole thing but would have to say I'm not particulary shocked. It was pretty much a given that it was a close race and honestly Kerry was just not a strong enough candidate to win. I'm not a huge fan of either but just wondering if intense hatred for a candidate skews the perception of things and makes it difficult to view them objectively. Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:05:34 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Dave Van Ronk and Stonewall - njc To clear this up, he is heterosexual: The crowd started throwing rocks and bottles rather than coins. The police took refuge inside the Inn, which they trashed. They also beat a heterosexual folk singer Dave Van Ronk, a man who was present and who has since documented much of the event. He says effeminate men were singled out for special treatment. As with many of his contemporaries, his music was fuelled by political conviction: in the 1960s he was dedicated to the civil rights movement, and he was a lifelong Trotskyist, with a relish for involvement and confrontation. A friend asked him how he came to be arrested in the 1969 riot when New York police busted a gay bar, the Stonewall Inn. "I was passing by and I saw what was going down," he said, "and I figured, they can't have a riot without me!" Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:58:15 -0500 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Dave Van Ronk and Stonewall - njc DVR is sorely missed. I saw him in 2000 at the Bottom Line. Even sick & wheezy he was great. After the election of the new theocracy, you can count me as a heterosexual who'll join in the next Stonewall. It's a sad day for human rights and the nation today & I'm depressed, frankly, and operating on 2 hours of sleep, to boot. Richard Quoting Jerry Notaro : > To clear this up, he is heterosexual: > > > The crowd started throwing rocks and bottles rather than coins. The > police > took refuge inside the Inn, which they trashed. They also beat a > heterosexual folk singer Dave Van Ronk, a man who was present and who > has > since documented much of the event. He says effeminate men were > singled out > for special treatment. > > As with many of his contemporaries, his music was fuelled by > political > conviction: in the 1960s he was dedicated to the civil rights > movement, and > he was a lifelong Trotskyist, with a relish for involvement and > confrontation. A friend asked him how he came to be arrested in the > 1969 > riot when New York police busted a gay bar, the Stonewall Inn. > > "I was passing by and I saw what was going down," he said, "and I > figured, > they can't have a riot without me!" > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:10:25 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Dave Van Ronk and Stonewall - njc I also saw him at the benefit in NYC for the Museum of American Folk Music benefit put together by Judy Collins. One of the great concerts. Jerry > DVR is sorely missed. I saw him in 2000 at the Bottom Line. Even sick > & wheezy he was great. > > After the election of the new theocracy, you can count me as a > heterosexual who'll join in the next Stonewall. > > It's a sad day for human rights and the nation today & I'm depressed, > frankly, and operating on 2 hours of sleep, to boot. > > Richard > Quoting Jerry Notaro : > >> To clear this up, he is heterosexual: >> >> >> The crowd started throwing rocks and bottles rather than coins. The >> police >> took refuge inside the Inn, which they trashed. They also beat a >> heterosexual folk singer Dave Van Ronk, a man who was present and who >> has >> since documented much of the event. He says effeminate men were >> singled out >> for special treatment. >> >> As with many of his contemporaries, his music was fuelled by >> political >> conviction: in the 1960s he was dedicated to the civil rights >> movement, and >> he was a lifelong Trotskyist, with a relish for involvement and >> confrontation. A friend asked him how he came to be arrested in the >> 1969 >> riot when New York police busted a gay bar, the Stonewall Inn. >> >> "I was passing by and I saw what was going down," he said, "and I >> figured, >> they can't have a riot without me!" >> >> Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:11:52 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise" NJC Paz writes: "Also please go to jonifest2005cruise@yahoogroups.com to sign up for the discussion and planning of this trip." Mikey, has this yahoo group started yet? As I told you privately, I'm very interested in the cruise. I know the price might be steep for some people, but it's a year away and $445 (plus port taxes) isn't that expensive when you think of 7 nights with a room with A/C, decent meals as many times you want to eat, no bugs, and being able to see some beautiful parts of the Caribbean. Hell, it cost Ed and I that much just to fly to the NEjonifest. For those of you who don't think they would enjoy a cruise, it's not just laying by the pool in your thong sipping a tropical umbrella drink. The ships have come along way since the "Love Boat". There's so many things to do on board.........something for everyone. Plus the ships are so big now, that seasickness is rare. I've known a lot of people who said they didn't think they'd like to go on a cruise. Once they did, it's been there favorite type of vacation. Plus, as Michael said, there are plenty of performance places on board for the JMDL music at night. Still, I know that this is more expensive than driving to The Full Moon (if you live in N.E.), and sleeping in a tent, so I perfectly understand. As I told Laurent, I'm also interested in the Euro jonifest. I hope I can do both. It certainly is a lot easier for our jmdlers from Europe. Jimmy, looking forward to seeing Kakki, the Dulsons, Clark, and Coyote Rick this weekend. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:18:45 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2005 The Cruise Donna, I wish I would have read your post before I just sent my first one. This is a great idea. Although I like 7 day cruises, a shorter cruise would be a great way for people to experience their first cruise AND it's a lot cheaper. Thanks to you and Paz for investigating this alternative. Jimmy In a message dated 11/3/2004 12:05:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, djb@binkleybarfield.com writes: > Here are a couple of alternative cruises that might be possible. They > are shorter and therefore less expensive. Click on the link for details > about the ship, the itinerary etc. > > SENSATION http://www.carnival.com/CMS/Ships/FunShips.aspx > > Departs Thursday, November 10, 2005 for four nights ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 13:33:44 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise" NJC Thanks Jimmy, something I forgot to include - and this applies to all of the cruises - is that a payment schedule will be available. Based on a November sail date, deposit schedule to Carnival would look something like this: November 8, 2004 - $150 pp (this date could be extended) March 10, 2005 - $150 pp June 10, 2005 - $150 pp Sept 1, 2005 - final balance db >>> 11/3/2004 1:11:52 PM >>> Paz writes: "Also please go to jonifest2005cruise@yahoogroups.com to sign up for the discussion and planning of this trip." Mikey, has this yahoo group started yet? As I told you privately, I'm very interested in the cruise. I know the price might be steep for some people, but it's a year away and $445 (plus port taxes) isn't that expensive when you think of 7 nights with a room with A/C, decent meals as many times you want to eat, no bugs, and being able to see some beautiful parts of the Caribbean. Hell, it cost Ed and I that much just to fly to the NEjonifest. For those of you who don't think they would enjoy a cruise, it's not just laying by the pool in your thong sipping a tropical umbrella drink. The ships have come along way since the "Love Boat". There's so many things to do on board.........something for everyone. Plus the ships are so big now, that seasickness is rare. I've known a lot of people who said they didn't think they'd like to go on a cruise. Once they did, it's been there favorite type of vacation. Plus, as Michael said, there are plenty of performance places on board for the JMDL music at night. Still, I know that this is more expensive than driving to The Full Moon (if you live in N.E.), and sleeping in a tent, so I perfectly understand. As I told Laurent, I'm also interested in the Euro jonifest. I hope I can do both. It certainly is a lot easier for our jmdlers from Europe. Jimmy, looking forward to seeing Kakki, the Dulsons, Clark, and Coyote Rick this weekend. This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 21:25:11 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: BUSH again - i blame the gays - NJC HI Bush in again and its all gays fault! ! Ha! Just kidding but it seems incredible that this could very well be the case. I dont live in America but from all the anti-Bush feeling flying around why has he got in again? Answers in under 25 words! Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:30:58 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Nov. 3, 2004, njc Hi Ya'll, It is a grey day here in Arkansas... which went red much to my disamay. Edwards was right on saying this isn't the end of it but only the beginning. It takes a lot to raise the consciousness of the people. I wish it didn't take so much! One of my medical students hit the nail on the head today by saying, "we did our part." All of us who voted for Kerry did our best. Kerry's speech showed that the best man didn't win but that the dream won't die. So what greater good can come of this? Maybe Hillary in 4 years I'm thinking. If we can get a woman in the White House, even if she isn't perfect, we will be moving forward by leaps and bounds. I'm very sad... very, very sad. But, I refuse to lose hope. Sometimes it has to get worse before it gets better. Peace, compassion, tolerance, mercy... in time. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 21:30:06 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Ani De Franco in Dublin - NJC Hi I am going to see Ani De Franco in Dublin on Friday - has anyone seen her or a raving fan/critic? Apparently she is just off a tour of the states with the likes of the Indigo Girls promoting voting in the American public in a bid, i presume, to get Bush out. This is her first gig after that tour so i reckon it will be buzzzzing with political fervour, and i know she isnt one to mince her words. Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 13:45:17 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: BUSH again - i blame the gays - NJC He got in because he was perceived by the masses as the biggest and most "alpha" male. Has the biggest mane and loudest roar, perhaps emits the strongest pheromones. Many very simpleminded Americans are like herd animals in that they band together with the "bulliest" male and they think that makes them safer. Thats my take on it. :) Em ps: now, why do you blame the gays - even kiddingly? you mean because if we had kept "our issue" down, maybe some more would have voted for Kerry? That Kerry lost votes because he was too liberal on what they keep referring to as moral values? or??? I know you were kidding - but wondering what you meant. Because, actually that very line of thinking occured to me too. ::shrug:: not sure. Might have been worth it. - --- robin mortlock wrote: > HI > > Bush in again and its all gays fault! > > ! Ha! Just kidding but it seems incredible that this could very well > be > the case. > > I dont live in America but from all the anti-Bush feeling flying > around > why has he got in again? Answers in under 25 words! > > Robin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:45:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Ani De Franco in Dublin - NJC robin mortlock said: > Hi > > I am going to see Ani De Franco in Dublin on Friday - has anyone seen her > or a raving fan/critic? > > Apparently she is just off a tour of the states with the likes of the > Indigo Girls promoting voting in the American public in a bid, i presume, > to get Bush out. This is her first gig after that tour so i reckon it > will be buzzzzing with political fervour, and i know she isnt one > to mince her words. Bob Muller and I are both big fans. I've seen her several times and she is from my home town. Have also seen The Indigo Girls on many occassions. You are in for one Helluva show! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:49:28 EST From: Monafitz@aol.com Subject: Tragic- Just Tragic. VLJC In a message dated 11/3/2004 3:52:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, claud9@comcast.net writes: I am just sooooo disappointed. So very disappointed.... Arrghhh ...unbelievable. Yes, unfortunately there are a lot of empty vessels in this country! Joni was correct, the faithful following of Bush clearly are not critical thinkers. I guess blind faith means that you don't critically think, just follow. i was speaking with someone early this morning who did in fact vote for mr. shrub and they told me they did it because they "trust" him. *gasp* i just dont see how. All those empty vessel surely have been bushwhacked as Molly Ivins would say. I hope those trusting people have no sons or daughters....watch out for that back door draft...you mark my words. The trillion dollar debt is frightening to me....but the body bags hurts me to the core. Mona A. Fitzgerald Windsor, CT USA monafitz@aol.com Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa01.mx.aol.com (rly-xa01.mail.aol.com [172.20.64.37]) by air-xa02.mail.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINXA24-4c418944f4177; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:52:38 -0400 Received: from n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com (n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com [66.94.237.43]) by rly-xa01.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXA16-4c418944f4177; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:52:04 -0500 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2004 20:48:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.28] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2004 20:48:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: claud9@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82704 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 20:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2004 20:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 20:48:23 -0000 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (pcp09312058pcs.towson01.md.comcast.net[68.33.2.196]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20041103194416011002v25he>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:44:16 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041103165844.88045.qmail@web53710.mail.yahoo.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: Claud9 X-Yahoo-Profile: vern9ine MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com; contact NortheastJonifest-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:44:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Tragic- Just Tragic. Reply-To: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-AOL-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain I am just sooooo disappointed. So very disappointed.... Arrghhh ...unbelievable. Morality my ass..this is sickening Just had to share, claud on 11/3/04 11:58 AM, mags h at magsie_h@yahoo.com wrote: > my sympathies are with you, surrounding you . i congratulate you all who did > vote for Kerry as an attempt to effect change in your country...and now, you > must deal with this unbelievable reality. the only solution i can come up > with...move to canada. not making light whatsoever. and since you no doubt > cannot make this giant leap your reality, dont give up. never give up, keep > fighting the good fight and effecting change in your lives, your family, your > community. work within the confines of the regime and speak your truths. > every single voice matters. every one. > > i was speaking with someone early this morning who did in fact vote for mr. > shrub and they told me they did it because they "trust" him. *gasp* i just > dont see how. i am deeply saddened by gw's win, deeply saddened. > > with all the hope in my heart, i wish you well. > > be the change you want to see....Ghandi > > blessings of peace to you all....and may the great spirit help us through. > > Mags. > > > > > > > > having lived on the inside of a culture as foreign to me as ever one could be, > )and i spoke the same language, or not), as a canadian, a peace loving, gentle > canadian, i just cannot understand the decision of the many. > > Margaret Windecker wrote: >> >> Home, working and watching TV, >> >> the news comes on- bursting the last bubble of hope. >> >> Kerry will concede defeat at 1:00 est at Fanuel Hall in Boston. And we will >> still be ruled by a vapid- brainless-papa's boy. Not sad... no. TRAGIC >> >> And not just for us- For the world. We won't abide terrorists- no- but we >> will wage our own Holy War-Impose OUR cultural norms-give them "Freedom"... >> OUR culturally imposed freedom- At what cost to them? EVERYTHING. >> >> Bush sells himself on the basis of MORALITY- sick. >> >> My hopes were just so high. >> >> Ugh... >> >> Megs >> > > > ----- > www.thelionandtherosegallery.com > ----- > http://www.spiritscall.com/frames.html > ----- > > > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > ps/S=1705016061:HM/EXP=1099587527/A=2372354/R=0/SIG=12id813k2/*https://www.orc > hardbank.com/hcs/hcsapplication?pf=PLApply&media=EMYHNL40F21004SS> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NortheastJonifest/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 21:55:12 +0000 From: colin Subject: brick wall njc Perhaps it's Bush's fault but i doubt it. I have had a hectic year with one thing and another. Seems to me i have coped very well with new disability and my nice new natural wood walking sticks go with my outfits. Given how well i know i know myself you'd think i would haev seen it coming-starting to not sleep well, night terrors frequently, not going out, feeling tearful and then fearful and finally believing my nearest and dearst are plotting against me( still not sure about that one) and then wham, oops, relaised my bi polar is suddenly back. Elizabeth, my dr, suggested a nice rest in aclinic no thanks. there are no nice clinics.so instgeads i am off next week on a drivng tour to scandinavia. john wll stay and look after the dogs. drivng a couple of thousand miles will be good for me as long as i don't crash mycar. and yes laura i have thiughtabout waht yiu said and will endeavour to not do too much drivign in a day. not even i believe that. should the worst happen i am sure they have nice cells in denamrk or sweden. assming i am not completely ga ga by the 12th i am leaving on that day i only hope the cia are nto going to tail my car after my assinatrion comments. fuck em if they do - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:05:51 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: BUSH again - i blame the gays - NJC - --- robin mortlock wrote: > I dont live in America but from all the anti-Bush feeling flying around > why has he got in again? Answers in under 25 words! Because Kerry's positions on almost every issue changed with the political winds and made him look like the weak-willed flip-flopper Bush said he was. Brian in NJ ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:39:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BUSH again - i blame the gays - NJC **I dont live in America but from all the anti-Bush feeling flying around why has he got in again? Answers in under 25 words! Because FEAR is always a better salesman than HOPE, SOUND BITES are easier to understand than FACTS, and in America being POPULAR is more important than being RIGHT. 28 words...sorry Robin. Bob NP: Patti Smith, "Jubilee" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:41:53 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Ani De Franco in Dublin - NJC **You are in for one Helluva show! Ditto to what Jerry said - Ani puts on an incredible energetic show, and she will be full of piss & vinegar after this election. I wore my "Registered Voter" Righteous Babe pin all day yesterday. I'll be awaiting your post-concert report! Bob NP: India.Arie, "Brown Skin" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:40:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: waytoblu Subject: Re: BUSH again - i blame the gays - NJC >Because Kerry's positions on almost every issue changed with the political >winds and made him look like the weak-willed flip-flopper Bush said he was. They didn't make him look like it...they showed him to be the weak willed flip-flopper that he is. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:08:46 +0000 From: colin Subject: if I were...njc ...an Iranian, I'd be shitting myself after today's result..... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:35:06 EST From: Shnootre@aol.com Subject: my dissertation etc. Hi again, Thanks everybody for your nice words of welcome. I actually did post on this list a few times way back when (maybe 3 years ago?). Lately it's a bit hard for me to keep up with it (or anything)! A couple of things: several of you have asked about my dissertation. I'm currently expanding it into a book, so I'm keeping it somewhat under wraps, however it is available through UMI. I believe you can order either a digitial or hard copy here: http://wwwlib.umi.com/dissertations. Answer the initial questions and then do an author's search w/ my last name (Sonenberg). You can preview 24 pages for free. Some of the dissertation is quite technical, but I spend a lot of time contextualizing my analysis, and I think there's a lot of stuff in there for non music theorists. The book version will be somewhat less academically oriented. A couple of questions people have asked...RE Turbulent Indigo being a waltz, I'm embarrassed to say that's one of the more recent Joni albums that I don't have. Yes, I know...I'm supposed to be a Joni scholar! But my work thus far has really centered on her early music, and I've been discovering her post 80s work a lot more recently. My diss covers Song to a Seagull through Court and Spark, and the book version will probably only go as far as Mingus. RE Modes. It's true that Joni uses modes in her writing, but I don't actually think this is necessarily a defining characteristic of her harmonic language. It is actually quite common to drift freely through several modes in a pop/rock song. For me, Joni's harmonic innovation has its roots in her guitar tunings, and all the suspended and quartal harmonies they engendered, along with really interesting counterpoint. I think she carried that soundworld over into her piano-based songs. You can read a very interesting article by Lloyd (Chip) Whitesell about Joni's harmonic practice. It appeared in the academic journal Popular Music I think in the summer of '03. (maybe it's in the JMDL archive?). I also talk about modes, but more particularly about the impact of Joni's tuning, in the 2nd chapter of the diss. Have to check out the Travelogue version of TLSISR. I've always found the comparsion betw. the Blue and Miles of Aisles versions particularly enlightening (in the latter one, I think Joni fully realizes the jazz potential of the tune, until the LA Express comes in and forces her into a more foursquare, pop-like interpretation). All for now... best, Dan Sonenberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 18:13:09 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: BUSH again - i blame the gays - NJC robin mortlock wrote: > > I dont live in America but from all the anti-Bush feeling flying > around why has he got in again? Answers in under 25 words! I will tell you in 3 words. fear greed ignorance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 22:24:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BUSH again - i blame the gays - NJC **SOUND BITES are easier to understand than FACTS And it appears that "weak-willed flip flopper" is the soundbite du jour, Robin - need I say more? Karl Rove is beaming with pride I'm sure. Bob NP: The Bad Plus, "Heart of Glass" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:13:33 -0500 From: Subject: Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise", njc Dude, you're losing it. I wrote off-list and said I'll be at the New Orleans part only. I'd like to see Beth (if she's playing in town that weekend), some local music, and as many sites as possible. Does Dr. John play in town? Jason Marsalis? His dad? C.J. Chenier? Daniel Lanois? ? and the Mysterians? I'd like to see David Lahm or Fred Simon book themselves in town, then have all of us show up to support it. I "gots ta have me some" crawfish, obviously, and some old timey / heritage stuff like the Preservation Hall. The cruise is too rich for my blood but it sounds like a great idea. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu Covington, KY >So belly up to the discussion. I am looking to hear from lots more folks like: my bitch Giselle and her bitch Cindy, Muller, Lama, Victor, Les I, all the Brits (hey here's your chance to come and record in New Orleans), all west coasters, Suze, Catherine, Dan, Rachel, New Yorkers including the Honduran Fertility Goddess, Jenny, Claudia, Uncle John, Mary, Guzzi, Laura Stanley, et. al. Come folks yak it up. Tell us yer thoughts.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:32:00 -0500 From: Subject: USA only: SAVE THE COUNTRY!! njc As I recall, there were only a few Bush supporters on the list in the past 6 months. If I had to, I could name only two but there must have been about 30 others supporting that Democrat who ran. It's not a statistically valid, random sample, but it means that roughly 7% of those posting on the JMDL about the election supported President Bush. I think that proves that the JMDL is overwhelmingly not representative of "Main Street America". With a firm grasp on the obvious, Jim ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #446 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)