From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #442 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, November 1 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 442 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Symposium Report (long) [mags h ] NJC Re: A very big week for Dr. Joan NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] cbc website info on joni [mags h ] Re: The "world" as we know it NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Joni Covers, a NEW one! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The "world" as we know it NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: The "world" as we know it NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni Symposium Report (long) ["gene mock" ] Re: The "world" as we know it NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Jonifest dates [Emiliano ] Trick or Treat with Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Trick or Treat with Joni -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Trick or Treat with Joni -- NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The "world" as we know it NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Bravery, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: NJC The Republicans Blow it Again Musically NJC [vince Subject: Re: Joni Symposium Report (long) Michael...what a wonderful report...thank you so much. You paint pictures with words very well! What an exciting week for Joni fans! I have seen Joni from a distance. Twice. Surreal and a bit disappointing for me to be so close (in the same performance space) and yet so far away. That said, what on earth would I say to Joni Mitchell, the woman whose music has spoken to and given expression to lives and experiences all around the globe, mine included. I can understand the comment Joni made about the academic dissection of her music.... academic analysis can get a bit distanced from the emotionality of a subject. Surely, Joni's work touches upon the entire landscape of feelings; images. How does one describe what it is to be in the presence of a panoramic prairie sunset anyway? Reading your post reminded me of the lecture in a little theatre near Harbourfront in Toronto ; the occasion, one of a series of events prior to Harbourfront's Hommage to Joni Mitchell (several jmdlers attended). I was fortunate to nuzzle up with Jimmy Stewart and Coyote Rick while we listened to Rob Bowman (a former music prof of mine at York University) present 'Joni'. Sadly, due to traffic on the QEW, I walked in at the last moments of his presentation. I know this was filmed and I'm wondering if it is available somehow. Ive often considered writing to Rob, as I spoke with him afterward; sure he remembered me ;-) After Rob's presentation, we were treated to Joni music videos, many of which I had not seen until that moment. All in all, I'm glad Im here, a student of the virtual University of Joni. I've learned so much about her in these past four years, plus. A dream, I'd love to be close enough to see her, to hear her for myself, in a setting, perhaps an informal one, like my imaginary bookstore encounter. I'd love to speak with Kilauren, meet the grandbabies...the whole thing. just some thoughts on this last day of October... Mags, wondering where the sun has gone?? npimh: dreams Amelia...dreams...... if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:22:17 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: A very big week for Dr. Joan NJC **The order's motto is Desiderantes meliorem patriam -- They desire a better country. Hey, that could be OUR motto as well! :~) Thanks for finding and forwarding these articles, Brother Brian - I enjoy reading them & hereby appoint you the "Jimmy Olsen/cub reporter" of the JMDL. Bob NP: Elliott Smith, "Little One" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 05:51:35 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: cbc website info on joni www.cbc.ca then type in Joni Mitchell in their search engine, and you will get tonnes of info/articles etc on Joan. Mags. if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:59:36 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: The "world" as we know it NJC >>Are there any other (other that The United States of America) nations in the Western Hemisphere (or World, for that matter) that have the word "America" in the names of their country? I can't think of any. If that is the case, it would seem reasonable that the USA could refer to itself by the familiar term "America" if it created no confusion with any other nation, without any egotistical implication.<< This is part of the problem, not the solution. Why has one part of the Americas taken the name of the entire continent for itself? Agreed, it doesn't call itself the 'United States of the Americas' but I would like to know how the present name was agreed upon and if other proposals were discussed. >>What do you (collectively, the citizens of nations other than the USA) refer to us as, if not "Americans"?<< This IS a problem for English speakers. 'American' is not acceptable, from my POV. 'North American' probably gets the Canadians and Mexicans in a huff. Larry Grossberg (hi Joseph) uses 'Usonians' but I doubt if it will catch on. The Spanish have no problem here, they say 'estadounidense' and that's clear. What to do? mike in barcelona np - Robert Wyatt - Soapsongs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:19:55 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers, a NEW one! Hi Kenny, and thanks for the tip - that Jane Monheit version of ACOY is a high-profile recording, so yes, we've had it for some time. She also did a cover of Twisted. But here's one I don't have - yet: _http://www.allisoncrowe.com/music.html_ (http://www.allisoncrowe.com/music.html) Canadian singer Allison Crowe releases her holiday CD "Tidings" November 11, including a cover of River. You can hear a minute & a half of it on her site - - very nice! Also speaking of covers, another page of the calendar is about to fall off and another volume of Joni covers is awaiting its unveiling! And Tuesday Nov. 2 is when A Perfect Circle's cover of 'Fiddle & The Drum' comes out...oh, the work of a Joni covers fanatic is NEVER done. Bob NP: The Postal Service, "Natural Anthem" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:24:01 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The "world" as we know it NJC --- mike pritchard wrote: > Why > has one part of the > Americas taken the name of the entire continent for > itself? Agreed, it doesn't > call itself the 'United States of the Americas' but > I would like to know how > the present name was agreed upon and if other > proposals were discussed. Somehow I doubt if this was discussed and that it just crept into the idiom as things so often do. It may or may not be a sign of (American? United Statesian? USAian?) arrogance, but I don't know. I'm sure that residents of the USA have been called Americans for a long time. Certainly in MY lifetime, and, as Smurf would be sure to remind you, that's a LOOOOONNNG time. It may have something to do with Unitedstatesians being a bit unwieldy. Are there not other countries called "United States of..." or am I mistaken? Somehow I'm thinking of Brazil, or maybe I'm only thinking about the fact that many countries are made up of states, and they are presumably united, but maybe they don't include this in their name? > >>What do you (collectively, the citizens of nations > other than the USA) refer > to > us as, if not "Americans"?<< > > This IS a problem for English speakers. 'American' > is not acceptable, from my > POV. 'North American' probably gets the Canadians > and Mexicans in a huff. I never think of myself as American. It's always Canadian. I admit to being a North American and I know that I live in North America, but apart from that, if someone called me "American", I would have to correct them. I do get a bit miffed when I hear "America" used for "USA" though. You see this a lot in advertising. "Buy American." "America's favorite [whatever]." For some reason, THAT pisses me off. Having a strange sense of deja vu today... ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:21:46 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni Symposium Report (long) Catherine McKay wrote: > > Michael, thanks for the WONDERFUL description of your > day at the symposium. I'm so glad one of us made it > there, and that it was you. Having read various > articles on it (I've transcribed the National Post one > and will send it in the next few minutes), it's great > to get a more complete view of the whole day. And it's > great to see Don Juan's Reckless Daughter vindicated > at last. > I just want to add my thanks as well. What a treat to get this well written eye witness account! It would have been so much fun to have been there but this is the next best thing. Thank again, Michael Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:16:41 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The "world" as we know it NJC Catherine writes: > Certainly in MY lifetime, > and, as Smurf would be sure to remind you, that's a > LOOOOONNNG time. > Now, Catherine, you know I just point out your age as a public service for newcomers so that everyone here will clearly see that we actually do have Jonifans of all ages aboard the good ship JMDL. And I would like to point out here - -- to people who may have wondered -- that you and the dinosaurs were never known to have walked the earth at the same time. And Mike, not to toss the ball back in your court or anything, but I am sure that if someone could track the usage of the word "American" for a citizen of the US, it would be discovered that it was white males with European roots who started it all! - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:41:37 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Joni Symposium Report (long) michael, GREAT JOB AND THANKS!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael O'Malley" To: Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 8:02 PM Subject: Joni Symposium Report (long) > Joni Mitchell Symposium > > McGill University > Redpath Hall > October 27th 2004 > > It was a crisp and sunny day that greeted me as I walked through McGills > main campus in downtown Montreal. McGill is nestled at the base of Mount > Royal, which provides a stunning backdrop in its fall splendour. Redpath > Hall looks like it was once used as a convocation hall. Picture a large > hall, not unlike an Anglican church, with high ceilings and wooden floors, > bathed in light from two-storey bay windows made of leaded glass, the walls > crammed with paintings of former chancellors. > > The symposium was put together by two professors from the music department, > Lloyd `Chip` Whitesell and David Brackett. The symposium was organized for > the occasion of an honorary doctorate being awarded to Joni later that > evening. The event was made possible through contacts with Howie Klein, > former president of reprise records, and Jonis agents. > > There were about 70-100 people in attendance at any given time. The audience > members varied from students to boomers, the usual Joni crowd. There were > three speakers in the morning and five in the afternoon. > > Don Maclean, dean of the music department, opened the proceedings with a > warm introduction. He discussed the gestation of the project, the late-night > transatlantic phone calls, and finally, a meeting with Joni at her home in > LA. He was pleased to report that Joni had indeed boarded a plane that > morning and was headed to Montreal. He remarked that she might even show up > for the end of the symposium, but no one should be holding their breath. > > I cannot relate in detail all the content of the following presentations. > What I offer here are my impressions of each talk, using the notes I > scribbled during the day. This will compliment what youve already seen and > read in the media. > > Llyod Whitesell was the first speaker. He is an energetic redhead and a Joni > scholar. His talk focused on the notion that some of Jonis albums, like > LOTC and Clouds are simply collections of songs, while others, such as Blue, > C&S, Hejira and Hissing are concept albums or song cycles. He spoke at > length about Hejira, with its themes of rootlessness and travel. He > described the songs as hymns to the open road, all written in the first > person. He noted the repeated animal imagery: coyote, crow and deer. He > spoke of how the technical production reinforced the spirit of the lyrics > and music. For example, the doubled guitar tracks, slightly out of phase > with one another, evoke a haunting sense of time and space. He spoke of > Jacos melodic and floating bass, with its questioning tones. The album both > begins and ends in C major. > > He then made a case for DJRD as an alternative concept album, full of songs > of wildly contrasting tone. Talk To Me vs Jericho, for example. At the time > of its release, critics called this album shapeless and schizophrenic. In > Whitesells view, DJRD is a concept album with clear thematic threads, split > into multiple points of view that evoke a mythical sense of place. For > example, Cotton Avenue is an urban setting, Jericho refers to the walled > city, Otis describes a resort in Miami; mystical spaces are evoked in > Paprika Plains, while the 10th world describes a kind of sonic tourism. > Duality, another theme of the album, is evident by the two records, the dual > nature of human instincts  the pull of the spirit vs the flesh, eagle > against serpent, airplane against train, you against I. The lyrics also > vacillate between detached ironic observations and personal yearnings. > > The next speaker, Jennifer Rycenga, is a lovely and large lesbian who > teaches religious studies at San Jose State U. She spoke of Jonis unique > voice as a sonic document of feminism. Not an easy case to make, in light of > Jonis refusal to be pigeonholed. She spoke of the uniqueness of this voice > in pop music, namely that of a self-defined, sexually active white woman who > described the world around her with both ironic detachment and self doubt. > She made her case analysing several songs, including, Peoples Parties, Same > Situation, Song for Sharon, and Sex Kills. She stated that no song on C&S > defended the gender system status quo. She also commented on the dual gender > in Jonis work, which moves from powerful dominance to surrender. > > The last talk of the morning session was devoted to Jonis self-portraits as > revealed on her album covers. Udayan Sen, a pop music aficionado, painter > and frame conservator working in Montreal treated us to an eloquent > commentary on Jonis art. He showed several album covers, discussing them > through themes such as the seer and the seen, and the teller vs the tale. > The red flower Joni holds on the Clouds cover is a Prairie Lily, the > Provincial flower of Saskatchewan, which grows well in the Saskatoon region. > There was lots of discussion, with many comments and questions from the > floor after each of these sessions. > > After lunch, Jacqueline Warwick, from Dalhousie University, made a case for > Joni being the principal architect of a Laurel Canyon sound in the late > sixties and early seventies. This sound is characterized by poetic and > introspective lyrics, a light, relaxed singing voice, and a clean acoustic > sound based on the guitar. This kind of sound was seen as revolutionary for > the period, eschewing sophisticated arrangements, overdubs, etc. Others in > this group would be Graham Parsons and CSN. She then expounded on Reginas > Empire Hotel, cited in Raised on Robbery. > > Next up was dapper Daniel Sonenberg, from the University of Southern Maine. > He is actually a member of JMDL! > http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/profiles.cfm?CurrentPage=29 > His 220-page dissertation is entitled "'Who In The World She Might Be': A > Contextual and Stylistic Approach to the Early Music of Joni Mitchell" - > CUNY Graduate School (Ellie Hisama, advisor). It features close readings of > three of Jonis songs, "I Had a King"; "The Last Time I Saw Richard"; and > "Court and Spark," looking at them in their full biographical, > music-industrial, historical, and music theoretical contexts. His talk was > an excerpt drom his dissertation, discussing the jazz structure in The Last > Time I saw Richard. It was a very technical talk, unfortunately beyond my > level of comprehension. There were a few comments from non-academics > afterwards, suggesting that perhaps this kind of technical analysis did not > serve the music well, as it attempted to dissect integral elements of the > art, which worked as a united whole. > > At about 4pm, during a refreshment break, we were treated to a great > surprise. We were all casually milling about when Joni breezed into the room > through a side door. A great round of applause erupted. It was quite > miraculous really. There she was, standing there in the flesh, her skin and > hair glowing white, as radiant and beautiful as ever. She wore form-fitting > red and balck clothes and open-toed high heels. A media scrum ensued and she > was immediately encircled by sound booms, tape recorders and cameras. She > answered questions for about 20 minutes. It was impossible for any of us to > approach her individually, and difficult to hear what she was saying. I took > a few pictures through the crowd, but it felt almost rude and parasitic. > Everyone seems to want a little piece of her! > > The media were eventually asked to give her some space, and the symposium > continued. Joni sat up front, to the side, across the room from where I was > sitting. Kilauren then appeared out of the blue and quietly joined her, > unnoticed by most present. They both have the same silken, blonder than > blond hair. Three of the best presentations of the day followed. First up > was Greg Tate, a very cool dude. He is a founding member of the Black Rock > Coalition, the author of several books and a staff writer at the Village > Voice. His writings on art, music and culture have appeared in the New York > Times, Rolling Stone, Washington Post, Premiere, and Downbeat. He read a > prose poem entitled, How Black is Joni Mitchell? He began each line with the > phrase: Joni Mitchell is so black, that The lines were so cutting, > hilarious and true! Joni got a huge kick out of it and laughed heartily all > throughout the piece. Some of the lines were so black, that black folk hear > her as an inventor and not a vulture. It ended with, ``Joni Mitchell is so > black, that she is finally getting an honorary degree in her motherland > after four decades!`` He finished with a gentle air kiss - a very sweet > moment. The Dean commented that he wished he could scrap his speech for the > evening ceremony and have Greg do his number instead! > > Next up was John Kelly, whom Joni had hugged tightly when she first entered > the room. He described his art, as well as his Joni-based work. At one point > he played a recording of himself singing Woodstock. There he was, standing > on a podium, holding a hand mike to a boom box, while his Joni-voice wafted > out over the sound system, with Joni sitting 12 feet away! He said, `This is > so surreal!`` He also played a couple of video clips in which his characters > sing songs like River and Down to You, to further the emotional narrative in > some of his non Joni-based performances. He was a charming and engaging > speaker. > > Ann Powers is senior curator at Seattles Experience Music Project. She gave > us her brilliant musings on each song from Blue. She said one of Jonis > gifts was the poets ability to tell a story without telling the whole > story. When it came time to discuss Little Green, she hesitated, and said, > ``I have to stop here a moment because I know Im just gonna cry.`` She then > looked out at Kilauren and said, ``Lm an adoptive mother myself and I know > youre sitting there.`` By this point Kilauren had not been officially > introduced to the gathering. She had simply been sitting discretely at > Jonis side. Most people present were unaware of her presence. Joni let out > a compassionate ``Aww`` as Ann held back her tears. It was a very touching > moment. Ann composed herself then finished the presentation. Several > audience members stood when they applauded. It was a wonderful piece, full > of insight and beautifully presented. I asked her afterwards if she would be > willing to send a copy of it to JMDL for the archives. She said she would, > and said that the JMDL was an invaluable resource. > > At this point, Joni thanked the speakers for their contributions and said > she was speechless. Following this, there was a round-table discussion with > questions from the floor. Howie Klein, former President of Reprise Records > joined Kelly, Powers Tate and Whitesell. After a few minutes, Joni herself > joined the panel, to the great delight of the assembly. One lady behind me > let out a very loud whoop as Joni sashayed her way to a place at the table. > This whoop elicited a slight wince from Joni, who clearly she did not > appreciate this kind of fervour. She lit a cigarette and fielded a few > questions about the music business, jazz influences and working with Jaco > and Mingus. A young student said that his generation didnt know her work > well. She said she wasnt at all surprised, since his generations values > were based on shock and shopping! On the subject of producers, she said that > although Crosby had been her first producer, but that he was too lazy to be > a producer! When she saw how little a producer does, she decided she could > do without and went her own way! > > The symposium came to a close at about 6:15 pm. Cameras flashed once more, > and Joni retreated to a small side room where she chatted briefly with some > of the days speakers. She left quickly and discretely by a side door for a > break before the evening ceremony. > > I have to say that I was surprised by my reaction to seeing Joni up close. I > was certainly very pleased, it gave me a great sense of satisfaction to have > finally shared the same space with her, even at a slight distance. However, > I cannot say that I was overjoyed by the experience. Happy, yes. I think my > meetings with Joni will always remain in the realm of the heart and mind; > meeting with her in person seems next to impossible. I feel we live in > different worlds, and that she has very little time to connect directly with > her fans. > > The special convocation ceremony honouring Joni and other student grads was > held at 8pm in Pollack Hall, McGills music performance auditorium. It was a > very formal event. Every seat was full. Thankfully, some swing and levity > was introduced by members of the 20-piece McGill student jazz band, who > played original arrangements of five of Jonis songs. These arrangements > were made by McGill staff or students  an unrecognizable The Priest, BSN > and ACOY, with vocals. These were all fairly deconstructed and free flowing > arrangements, often departing significantly from the melody line. The final > two numbers, S&L and DCFDesMoine were much closer to the original versions. > Joni later commented that, while grateful, she was a tough cookie to play > for, and that people were usually scared of her, and that she would > adjudicate later! The actual award ceremony was prefaced by a procession led > by pipe player, followed by the Chancellor, Principal, Provost etc, and Joni > , all dressed in full academic regalia, complete with long red shiny robes > and big black floppy hats. Cameras flashed and Joni made a short speech > after being handed her diploma. She began with a joke, `Well, from now on > theyre gonna have to ask, ``Nyaa, whats up doc?`` he then said, `` Rarely > am I at a loss for words.`` A pregnant pause, then a short description of > the medicine wheel, the four directions, and the need to balance > emotionality, sensitivity, clarity and intellect in art (music) and in life. > > This event made the nightly national news and the front page of the next > days National Post. I took a few pictures, with my camera zoomed out to the > max. Not great shots, but perhaps better that nothing. Let me know if I can > post them somewhere for you to see. > > Tonight, Saturday, Joni was made a companion of the Order of Canada in > Ottawa. Thats our Joan. Isnt she grand? > > Michael in Quebec, looking forward to the new Joni / Starbucks Artists > Choice compilation > > _________________________________________________________________ > Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has > to offer. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the > first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:56:36 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The "world" as we know it NJC Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > And Mike, not to toss the ball back in your court or anything, but I > am sure > that if someone could track the usage of the word "American" for a > citizen of > the US, it would be discovered that it was white males with European > roots who started it all! I heard it was blonde females with brown roots. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:42:55 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Jonifest dates Oh, mon dieu, Laurent! This is a Grrrreat opportunity I mean: I have the strongest feeling I can't, for my mental sanity (or at least what remain of it), let this go! Give it a Go!... You know, I only play "palmas" (handclaps) and some occasional (and unrequested) banging-on-the-table. My singing is lousy too (a little of this soul enthusiasm, though). *But* having the chance to get to talk with you, Laurent, with more (and more) people from this blessed list... it would be back to the garden... ..and I think, I can try to convince my family to go to the Costa Brava (catalonian seaside) in august so I can make a jump to Carcasonne for a few days... let's see... don't fear on me, we'll going to... Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano ...who is sooo busy as the manager for his highschool's achievement of the ISO quality certificate... (hey dear Ashara, don't think I've forgot that thing...) - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Laurent Olszer" Para: Enviado: domingo, 31 de octubre de 2004 1:05 Asunto: Jonifest dates > Looking at the calendar, I think what makes most sense is saturday august 6th > till monday august 8th. > This will allow you to take cheaper mid-week flights aug 2-4th, and some time > to see Paris (or Barcelona) and then drive or take a train south. > > For those of you who prefer B&Bs over camping on site, here are some up for > takes: > All rates include breakfast, may be possible to pay less without it. > > 1) Mme Tavart in Davejean (nearest village): > 1 room for 3: 40 euros ($50)/room > 1 room for 4: 50 euros > > 2) Mme Le Franc in Villerouge Termenes: > 1 room with 1 double + 1 single bed: 39 euros if 2 people, 50 euros if 3. > > 3) Mme Bizouerne in Le Roc de Golta (near Villerouge Termenes) > 1 room with 1 double bed: 43 euros > 2 rooms with 2 single beds: 43 euros > 1 room with 3 single beds: 64 euros > All rooms have sink & shower, toilets on the same floor. > > 4) M. Houalet in Felines Termenes: no details available > > 5) La Fargo in St Pierre des Champs: not a B&B but a charming hotel with great > food and gorgeous surroundings. Rooms are very nice too. > Near to where I live when I'm in the area, about 20 minutes drive to > Jonifest. > 64-71 euros/room + breakfast 6 euros/person. I might be able to negotiate some > better rates since I sent them a lot of english people who by the way were > very pleased with the experience and came back! > Check their website www.chez.com/lafargo/, click on the UK flag at the bottom > for english. In addition to the hotel info there is plenty of info about the > area. > Click on "directions" for general travel info. > > Let me know if you want any of these and I'll make the booking for you. > As these get filled up, I'll come up with others. > > Also, I need to know whether you plan on spending some extra nights, before or > after the Jonifest, in order to explore the area. > I suppose we could all take an afternoon trip to a nearby waterfall/canyon and > have a picnic there. > It would be a shame IMO not to take minimum 2-3 days to sightsee around. > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:23:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Trick or Treat with Joni Know 'em all? Caught in the devil's bargain Ghosts of the darktown society In flames our prophet witches be polite There's evil in this land Mythical devil of the ever-present laws Chasing the ghosts of Gable and Flynn You get witch-hunts and wars God's hired hands and the devil bands I'm frightened by the devil Ghosts of the future, phantoms of the past, rattle rattle rattle in the spoon and the glass You were playing like a devil wearing wings All because that ghostly girl comes haunting When the spooks of memories rattle Let's have another round for the bright red devil Famine phantoms at the garden gates A ghost of aviation Brash fields crude crows in a scary sky Talking about zombies Last night the ghosts of my old ideas reran on channel five In sinking down to drown her voice still haunts you Everybody's saying that hell's the hippest way to go Bob NP: The New Seekers, "Night In The City" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:10:01 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Trick or Treat with Joni -- NJC Mr. Muuuuuuuuuuuuullllllllllllller writes: > Know 'em all? > Well that's spooky, Bob ... you forgot the ultimate Joni Halloween line: I can't get through the day Without at least one big BOO! - --Smurf, going out as a normal person tonight. (What the hell do they wear, anyway?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:17:39 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Trick or Treat with Joni -- NJC **--Smurf, going out as a normal person tonight. (What the hell do they wear, anyway?) And you're asking.....ME? As if I know anything about being....NORMAL? I'm not sure if we'll have any trick-or-treaters tonight, Greenville County declared Saturday night the 'official' trick-or-treat night since God forbid kids should go out getting candy on a Sunday night, they might become Satan-worshippers or something. Sheesh. Bob NP: Ken Moule & The Full Score Orchestra, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:53:09 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: The "world" as we know it NJC > This IS a problem for English speakers. 'American' is not acceptable, from my > POV. 'North American' probably gets the Canadians and Mexicans in a huff. Why is it assumed that "Americans" when used to refer to people of the United States excludes anyone. They do live on the continent America, which has been referred to as America for a long time by people all over the world. In my opinion, this is a simple point of reference much like calling people who live in Europe, Europeans. If Canadians or Mexicans want to call themselves Americans, they are welcome to. No one has said that they cannot. If a French person calls themselves European, its not going to make someone from Italy angry. Victor NP: The Atlanta Falcons all over the Denver Broncos Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:12:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC The Republicans Blow it Again Musically NJC First Cowboy Ronnie tries to appropriate Springsteen, now Bush & Co. steal John/Johanna Hall's "Still The One". I figured this was stolen since John was the mastermind behind the "No Nukes" show in the 70's and as such was not likely to support an administration that's rolled back environmental regulations to 1972 levels. Sure enough: _http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/6589957/orleans?pageid=rs.NewsArc hive&pageregion=mainRegion&rnd=1099263844714&has-player=true&version=6.0.8.102 4_ (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/6589957/orleans?pageid=rs.NewsArchive&pageregion=mainRegion&rnd=1099263844714&has-player=true&version=6.0.8. 1024) Excerpt: "I certainly hope there would be an apology coming from somewhere," Hall says. "It's an unauthorized use of a double-copyrighted work. But more important to me is to get the knowledge out to the public, our fans and friends that we did not collaborate in this and we are not supporting the re-election of the President." Why don't they just use songs from the artists that support the Republicans? Well, it doesn't give them much to choose from...Britney, Kid Rock, Alice Cooper, Toby Keith...I guess "School's Out" wouldn't be a good choice. Bob NP: Tori, "Baker Baker" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:29:11 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC The Republicans Blow it Again Musically NJC --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Why don't they just use songs from the artists that > support the Republicans? > Well, it doesn't give them much to choose > from...Britney, Kid Rock, Alice > Cooper, Toby Keith...I guess "School's Out" wouldn't > be a good choice. Oops, I did it again? Toxic? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:35:55 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC The Republicans Blow it Again Musically NJC About a choice for music for W & Co., Bob writes: > I guess "School's Out" wouldn't be a good choice. > Don't the lyrics say, "School's out for ever?" Given the current occupant of the White House and the current proud-to-be-stupid attitude of so many voters in the US, I think that song would be perfect. Not too many songs to choose from really, considering the fact that no one ever wrote "Papa Was a Rolling Director of the Central Intelligence Agency." Oh, the trials of a born-again, aging cheerleader ... - --Bob, turning pumpkins into jack-o-lanterns ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:38:41 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC The Republicans Blow it Again Musically NJC Catherine suggests: > Oops, I did it again? > "Don't Stop Thinking About al Qaeda?" - --Smurf ... in a blue state, natch ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:55:56 -0000 From: "Azeem" Subject: Another November, another novel... njc Well, November heaves into view again, and Im about to submit myself to the ordeal of attempting to write a novel in one month. Anyone else having a go this year? Inexplicably, my effort from last year has still to find a publisher; this may be connected to the fact that I havent sent it out to any publishers. Who can say? If anyone is wondering why Im even trying to do this, have a look at nanowrimo.com. Wish me luck! Azeem in London NP: Janis Ian - Ruby - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:15:58 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Bravery, njc True bravery is arriving home stinking drunk after a very late night out with the boys..... Then..... being assaulted by your wife with a broom, ..... And still having the guts to ask: "Are you cleaning, or were you flying somewhere?" Happy Halloween! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:22:45 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: NJC The Republicans Blow it Again Musically NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >Why don't they just use songs from the artists that support the Republicans? >Well, it doesn't give them much to choose from...Britney, Kid Rock, Alice >Cooper, Toby Keith...I guess "School's Out" wouldn't be a good choice. > > But wouldn't Britney's "Oops I Did It Again" be perfect? Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:46:45 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: NJC The Republicans Blow it Again Musically NJC Well, here's another attempt worth checking out (if you haven't already): http://filmstripinternational.com. Be sure to have flash enabled and your speakers turned on. Don't try this near any rabid Republicans, and use with extreme caution near anything that might be a boss. >But wouldn't Britney's "Oops I Did It Again" be perfect? > >Vince Cheerz, Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, who can't believe I'm going to subject her to that slide show and song again ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #442 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)