From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #440 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, October 30 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 440 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: [NortheastJonifest] Dr Joni in La Presse de Montreal [ReckersL@ebrd.c] Re: "Best Of" Joni covers compilation. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Jonifest in France ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon andJohn Peel (njc) [Em ] NJC The "world" as we know it (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Jonifest in France [Jamie Zubairi ] World Series (njc) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC The "world" as we know it (njc) [Em ] Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Who we are now NJC [aurabright@supanet.com] Re: Joni photos [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Who we are now and who we used to be (NJC) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: NJC The "world" as we know it (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Joni Symposium Special on CBC Radio 2 [Doug ] Re: NJC The "world" as we know it (njc) [Em ] a joni encounter from Tenda at the UTNE CAFE LAURA NYRO SITE [JSerkes@aol] Re: NJC The "world" as we know it (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Joni Symposium Special on CBC Radio 2 Update [Doug ] the who we are posts NJC [Em ] Re: Joni Symposium Special on CBC Radio 2 [Doug ] RE: Who we are now and who we used to be (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:04:45 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Dr Joni in La Presse de Montreal Thanks very much for these translations, Catherine. I think that last sentence simply means: they are just "as little relevant as" those others that demonise Yoko - in other words: they are just as irrelevant! Lieve. - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: 28 October 2004 23:03 To: JonifestList; Jonilist Subject: [NortheastJonifest] Dr Joni in La Presse de Montreal Here are tow articles from La Presse de Montreal today. Right below this para is a link to their website (there are pics which I've saved but can't attach to smoe e-mails). Following this is my translation of the articles, and then text in French of the articles. I really didn't understand how to translate the last sentence in the 2nd article. It didn't make a great deal of sense to me in French, much less in English. http://www.cyberpresse.ca/arts/article/1,144,163,102004,827031.shtml - ----------------------------------------------------- Honorary doctorate, living body! by Alain Brunet La Presse We knew she was on her way to Montreal, and that McGill University's Faculty of Music was going to grant her an honorary doctorate last night. But the physical presence of Joni Mitchell at the colloquium dedicated to her all day (Exploring the art and music of Joni Mitchell, to use the event's official title) was never a sure thing. To the great pleasure of her fans and analysts, the great lady made an appearance around 4:00 p.m., climbing the stairs of the Redpath Room as cameras and microphones swarmed around her. There was a scrum as might be expected. This practice of political reporters seemed to amuse the 60ish Mitchell, who hadn't made a public appearance in Montreal in 30 years. She took the time to greet friends who had come to meet her, took off her trench cooat to reveal an outfit in shades of red with equally bright shoes. There might have been a halo around the genial songwriter and visual artist. Less preoccupied with the artistic reasons for her Montreal stopover, media generalists soon started questioning Joni Mitchell about American politics, since she has lived mainly in the US since the 60s. Generous and smiling, the Canadian-born, California-dwelling Mitchell could not be prevailed upon to sum up her position on the situation in the land of Uncle George W. - -------------------------------------------- A day to study Joni Mitchell by Alain Brunet La Presse All the greats praise her, from Prince to PJ Harvey, and on to Tori Amos, Sarah McLachlan, Joan Armatrading and Me'Shell Ndegecello. So many music lovers consider her to be a super talent, if not the most influential of female songwriters. There are so many reasons that lead the Faculty of Music of McGill University to dedicate an entire day to her, at the end of which they granted her an honorary doctorate. Don McLean, Faculty Dean, talked about the process. "We took these steps because popular music is now a great part of our field of studies. Through some privileged contacts, I was finally able to meet Joni Mitchell in Los Angeles. When I submitted our project to her, she was delighted, but also curious about the fact that we were interested in the relationship between her writing, her music and her painting. She didn't accept the invitation right away though. After a lot of hesitation and many phone conversations, she finally accepted." And so it was that yesterday a learned group reflected on the work of this artist who hails originally from the Prairies. For Jennifer Rycenga, from the State University of San Jose, the artist is an unstoppable force in the advancement of the female condition. Even though Mitchell has always rejected the label "feminist" and doesn't associate herself with its movements, her writings are nonetheless progressive. "Those that say she was one of the pioneers of the engaged song are no less important than those that demonized Yoko Ono." ( or maybe it's "Those who claim she buried the committed song are as relevant as those who demonized Yoko Ono.") JONI MITCHELL Docteur honorifique, corpus vivant! Alain Brunet La Presse On savait qu'elle itait de passage ` Montrial, que la faculti de musique de l'Universiti McGill allait lui dicerner hier soir un doctorat honoris causa. Mais la prisence physique de Joni Mitchell au colloque lui itant consacri la journie durant (Explorer l'art et la musique de Joni Mitchell, pour reprendre le titre officiel de l'ivinement) n'avait rien de certain. Au grand plaisir de ses fans et analystes, la grande dame a fait son apparition aux alentours de 16 h, gravit les escaliers de la salle Redpath pendant que les camiras et les micros se ruaient sur leur sujet. Scrum en bonne et due forme! Cette pratique de reporters politiques, peu courante dans la pop culture, a sembli amuser la sexaginaire, qui n'avait pas fait d'apparition publique ` Montrial depuis trois dicennies. Elle a pris le temps de faire l'accolade ` des amis venus ` sa rencontre, a retiri son trench et divoili des vjtements rouges assortis ` des souliers aussi voyants. On ne parle pas du halo enveloppant la giniale songwriter et artiste visuelle. Moins prioccupis pas la dimension artistique de son escale montrialaise, les midias giniralistes auront ttt fait de questionner Joni Mitchell sur la politique amiricaine, puisqu'elle riside (principalement) aux Itats-Unis depuis les annies 60. Ginireuse et souriante, la Canadienne itablie en Californie ne se fera pas prier pour risumer sa position sur la conjoncture au pays de l'oncle George W. - ------------------------------------------------------- Une journie ` scruter Joni Mitchell Alain Brunet La Presse Tant de grands s'en riclament, de Prince ` PJ Harvey en passant par Tori Amos, Sarah McLachlan, Joan Armartrading ou Me'Shell Ndegecello. Tant de milomanes la considhrent surdouie, voire la plus diterminante des songwriters au fiminin. Voil` autant de raisons ayant conduit la faculti de musique de l'Universiti McGill ` lui consacrer hier une journie entihre, au terme de laquelle on lui a remis un doctorat honorifique. Don McLean, doyen de la faculti, raconte le processus. +Nous avons entrepris les dimarches parce que la musique populaire fait disormais partie de notre champ d'itudes. Par l'intermidiaire de contacts priviligiis, j'ai finalement pu rencontrer Joni Mitchell ` Los Angeles. Lorsque je lui ai soumis notre projet, elle s'est montrie ravie, igalement curieuse du fait que nous nous intiressions ` la relation entre son icriture, sa musique et sa peinture. Elle n'a toutefois pas accepti l'invitation d'emblie. Au bout de nombreuses hisitations ponctuies par de nombreuses conversations tiliphoniques, elle a finalement accepti.; Ainsi donc, un ariopage d'universitaires riflichissait hier sur l'oeuvre de l'artiste originaire des Prairies. Pour Jennifer Rycenga, de l'Universiti d'Itat de San Jose, l'artiste est un moteur incontournable de l'avancement de la condition des femmes. Mjme si Mitchell a toujours refusi de s'itiqueter fiministe ou de s'associer aux mouvements progressistes ayant imailli son existence, l'engagement de ses textes n'en demeure pas moins progressiste. +Ceux qui affirment qu'elle fut parmi les fossoyeurs de la chanson engagie sont aussi peu pertinents que ceux qui ont diabolisi Yoko Ono.; - ------------------------------------------------------- ===== Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. 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The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:18:44 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Best Of" Joni covers compilation. **Is there a "Best of" covers compilation made out of all the compilations so far, Bob? Nuriel, you're nappin' on the job. I've done not one, not two, but three volumes of "Best Of" Joni covers and they've been discussed at length in this very forum (at least as far as covers discussions go). Let me know your address and I'll send you V3 so that you no longer have to live another day in a life of deprivation and quagmired disappointment. Tracks: 1. Diana Krall b Black Crow 2. Karrin Allyson b Help Me 3. Jibe Project b Chelsea Morning 4. Holly Near/Cris Williamson b Tea Leaf Prophecy 5. Don Conoscenti b River 6. Azure McCall b Shades of Scarlett Conquering 7. Jacqui Dankworth b Man From Mars 8. Catherine Moon b The Beat of Black Wings 9. Max Leake b Both Sides Now 10. The Uptown Trio b Song For Sharon 11. Bill Lancton b Woodstock 12. Danilo Perez b The Fiddle And The Drum 13. Terri Lyne Carrington b Ethiopia 14. The Fourth Stream b In France They Kiss On Main Street 15. Fabio Ranza & Elisabetta Zamberlan b Moon At The Window 16. K.D. Lang - Jericho Bob NP: Green Day, "Wake Me Up When September Ends" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:11:05 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: Jonifest in France I'm flexible too Laurant - no plans that far ahead in my diary! Martin Giles. - ------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:02:30 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Jonifest in France >>> I'd like to get some feeback from the participants about choosing a convenient date in August. Laurent, now travel agent. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:46:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon andJohn Peel (njc) - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > Thank you.....:>) I understand what you were getting at but I still > disagree that the name itself is arrogant. If you read the section > below, > which I found searching online, you will learn more about the actual > origin > of the name. > > People in general are way too offended these days over nothing and > read > offense into things were it simply doesn't exist. well yeah, thats true. I've been paranoid lately thinking about how we are viewed by the "world". And I thrashed about in my post, and was overly "Taz-like", and I apologize. Interesting info about the Series being named for the newspaper (rather than the planet, lol). Still, was just speaking to one of my co-workers, a Peruvian, and he said that his teenage son was incredulous of the fact that whoever the Superbowl champs are, are called "World Champions". So these things do occur to people, I guess. Nobody knows the baseball thing is named for a newspaper. (well hardly anyone) Again, wish I had thrown baking soda (in advance) on whatever vitriol found its way into my post, and again, ENJOY! Party-on! Hey I bet Jonathan Richman is happy! Em ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:51:01 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: njc, RED SOX NATION Patti Parlette wrote: > Dear Anne and Vince and other Red Sox fans A very sweet thought and thank you, but I happen to be a White Sox fan... but hey, you are very thoughtful, and that I came to mind is an honor and I deeply appreciate it! Love right back to you! Vince (White Sox fan who did cheer for the Red Sox in the Series as an AL fan and in loyalty to my grandson's step father, as his father was in the Red Sox organization for a few years) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:55:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC The "world" as we know it (njc) And what about that INTERNATIONAL House of Pancakes??? Oh wait a minute, they DO serve Belgian waffles - nevermind. Bob, also thinking that the "World Of Clothing" in Hendersonville NC really just sells what would be called American garb... NP: John Fogerty, "I Will Walk With You" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:49:13 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Jonifest in France Well, as August is also my birthday month, I guess the earlier part of the month would be better as the 19th is my birthday and I've been asked to keep it clear this year as there are about 4 of us who share the same birthday week... Much Joni Jamie Zoob "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: The first part of the month is easier for me than later. Jerry Donna Binkley said: > . > I'd like to get some feeback from the participants about choosing a > convenient date in August. > > Laurent, now travel agent. > > > Laurent, my birthday is August 8, I'd love to celebrate my 44th in > France! But any date in August will work, put me under the flexible > column. db > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:08:01 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: World Series (njc) Sorry, Catherine. That is an urban myth. Here are the facts: Save for a brief series between the National League's pennant-winning Brooklyn Superbas and the runner-up Pittsburgh Pirates after the 1900 season (the winner receiving a silver cup donated by the Pittsburgh Chronicle-Telegraph), post-season play did not resume until the modern World Series matching American and National league champions against each other began in 1903. Somewhere along the way (the earliest citing I've found so far is from 1991), people have picked up the notion that the fall classic, baseball's World Series, is so named not because the victors are considered the world's champions, but because the contest was originally sponsored by the New York World newspaper. Perhaps this belief springs from today's hyper-commercial sporting climate, in which nearly all athletic championships and sports stadiums are named for corporate sponsors, or perhaps it springs from the incongruity of the winners of a contest featuring only teams from North America being declared "world champions," but so prevalent is this erroneous belief that it is now regularly cited as a "fact," despite a complete lack of any supporting evidence. The New York World was established in 1860, just before the Civil War, and it fared poorly throughout the 1870s before being bought up by Joseph Pulitzer in 1883. Over the next half-century, the World was renowned for everything from its "yellow journalism" to its debut of the crossword puzzle; in 1930 it was sold and merged with the Evening Telegram to become the New York World-Telegram. The New York World never had anything to do with the World Series, however, other than being one of the many newspapers to report the results. The modern World Series (like its predecessor series waged between National League and American Association teams from 1884-1890) was so named not because of any affiliation with a corporate sponsor, but because the winner was considered the "world's champion" -- the title was therefore simply a shortened form of the phrase "world's championship series." Negative evidence is easily uncovered by reading accounts of the first few World Series in the major newspapers of the era. The first several contests between the two league champions were reported under a variety of titles -- "championship series," "world championship series," "world's series" -- before eventually becoming standardized in name as the "World Series." If the name had derived from the New York World's sponsorship, it would have been nothing but the "World Series" from the very beginning (and as far back as 1884). Baseball's Hall of Fame concurs: others have asked that question of the staff at the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, N.Y. in recent weeks. "There's no evidence suggesting it was ever sponsored by the New York World newspaper," said Hall of Fame researcher Eric Enders. When the World Series between the National and American leagues began in 1903, the owners borrowed the name from the world championship series held in the 1880s between the National League and the American Association. Enders concludes the name didn't originate from the name of the long-defunct newspaper. It sounds like an urban myth. > --- Victor Johnson wrote: >> Sorry but I disagree. As to where was England or >> any other country, as >> far as I know they did not have any teams in Major >> League Baseball the last >> time I checked, with the exception of Canada which >> now is home to only one >> team, the Toronto Bluejays who won the world series >> twice in the early >> nineties. The Montreal Expos have relocated to >> Washington DC, formerly the >> home of the Washington Senators who became the team >> now known as the Texas >> Rangers. > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it called the > *World* Series because it was first sponsored by > either a newspaper called "The World" or a company > called "World [something or other]". In which case, > calling it the World Series is correct. Calling the > Red Sox World Series champions is correct. Calling > them Champions of the World is a bit of a reach, but > I'm sure that's how they - and their fans - feel about > it right now. > > Catherine, who can't decide which is more boring: > playing baseball or watching it, but who doesn't mind > getting into an argument about words every now and > then. > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> - - > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 05:10:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC The "world" as we know it (njc) a silly story: One time I was at a Jimmy LaFave concert (at Skippers, Bob) and it was really REALLY crowded. There is seating there, and we'd come early to get (imagine that), a seat! But naturally it grew into a standing thing, and the people with seats were, in a sense, screwed. I was with my Mom and some other older folks and they kept yelling at the people standing in front of us to move. We were sitting on a bench with butts in our faces. The people's butts were right at eye level. So this one guy, sort of a possibly middle eastern fellow with an accent, whirls around and throws his arms out like Moses in the flick, and, in trying to get them to shut up says over and over, "it's the WORLD!, it's the WORLD!". i.e. the "world" is when your position of privilege, even if its one you worked for, gets nudged aside due to overcrowded conditions. I can still see that guy: "it's the WORLD!". And my mom was positively growling! LOL!!!! I wanted to get up and party with "the world", but pretty much had to stick with the group on the bench. Luckily for me, pretty soon someone with a really attractive butt ended up in front of me. :) It's the WORLD!!!!! Em NPIMH "Its the End of the WOrld as We KNow it" REM - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > And what about that INTERNATIONAL House of Pancakes??? > > Oh wait a minute, they DO serve Belgian waffles - nevermind. > > Bob, also thinking that the "World Of Clothing" in Hendersonville NC > really > just sells what would be called American garb... > > NP: John Fogerty, "I Will Walk With You" > ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:16:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC Sounds like Jonifest 2003: I'm just a Bald-Headed Baby Walkin' off my tired feet........ Jerry > i was a bald headed baby. > now, i'm a bald headed 48 yr. old man. happy then, and happy now. > > > jimmy > and i approve this message ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:22:43 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC I'll be 55 on my next birthday. Yikes! I used to be a Broadway queen, and now..... Oh, just forget it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 05:33:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC Lori, my friend, that was a lovely post! I love your assesment of who you are. And I really love your idealism. It is of inspiration to me, quite often. Hope you're having a great day. Em ps I know you aren't your job.. as Ruth Gordon said in Harold and Maude "its incidental, not integral". Right? ;) - --- Lori Fye wrote: > > I guess what's freaking me about with this thread is how most > people > > are giving their J-O-B as "who they are". > > Wow Em, you really hit an important nail right on its head. I'm not > my job, at > least I hope not!! I bitch everyday that people (particularly in the > U.S.) are > too hung up on making money money money money, and then I go and > describe *who* > I am by telling about my jobs. ICK. > > Time for self-evaluation, in a big way. > > In the meantime, as a first stab at rephrasing my response, let me > say this: > > I am an idealistic, always have been. I am a believer but also a > skeptic, and I > guess that hasn't changed much since I was young. I am a liberal > about many > things but also what some people would consider "conservative" about > a few > other things. I am a rung in life's ladder and I'm not always happy > about it, > because I often feel guilty that I was born with certain "advantages" > (intelligence, "white" skin, my American birth) and others have it so > f_cking > hard. I am a conundrum. > > I am a lover of life, and of life's wonders and pleasures. A > defendant of > choice. A proponent of personal responsibility. I am a thinker, and > I am a > loyal friend to my friends who are true. > > I don't know that much about me has changed between now and before, > except that > the more money I make, the more I want to give it away (or give it > back, > somehow, in some way). I'm basically the same open book I've always > been, and > I'm generally okay with myself (except for those times when I feel > bad for not > doing more to help those in need). > > Dat's it for now. > > Lori, > pondering > ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:49:31 +0100 From: aurabright@supanet.com Subject: Who we are now NJC Sorry about not acknowledging everyone on this thread, and being late with a chime in. I think of myself as ever evolving, but there are some aspects of me that remain firmly ingrained. I have always been fiercly protective of the underdog, of the down trodden the misunderstood and the marginalised. I have always been into creative writing of some type. I love the outdoors, animals, getting away into the deep folds of hills but also love pavement cafes and the excitement of the city for short periods of time. For myself it has taken years of really just letting ME come up to the surface. I followed the path of the necessary and the meaningless. I married the wrong people thinking I could find me if I was part of someone else, I wore the clothes and did the things that had some sort of process or "badge" that described the person I thought I could be. My happiest times were when there was no work to be done except that of rearing my children, and doing my uni Studies. I think for many of us our work is who we are. Artists, singer songwriters, painters, musicians, poets, and anyone, really, whose life is one where they feel fulfilled in their work. My feeling about some people who put their job "OUT THERE" in front of them are people who dont know who they are. they need a badge to avoid closer scrutiny, Maybe the job title will prevent further questioning. I am still an idealist, I am still in need of the countryside and the city. I am a mother, a sister, an aunt, a partner, a godmother, a friend, a neighbour, an ex-smoker, a motor bike rider, a dog owner, a music lover, someone with an open house, an open heart and just enough cynicism to stop me being gullible......I am someone changing their relationship with the world around them and I am glad I have my life. As to my work? how I earn my living? since 11th October I am working as the Funding co-ordinator for 1 a youth crime initiative, 2 a charity that helps people with moderate to severe learning difficulites and 3 for a not for profit organisation that links education and business. I have three bosses who are all CEOs of their organisations and it is busy, all over the place and I feel I am doing something good, local and totally worthwhile. if I am going to define my charcter by my job then at this rate I am the same as any artist. and that makes me happy. Lulu Oh who is also the Queen of England.... - -- Message sent with Supanet E-mail Signup to supanet at https://signup.supanet.com/cgi-bin/signup?_origin=sigwebmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:52:56 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni photos > Joni photos > Here are some pics of Joni from the National Post, La Presse de Montreal and > the Montreal Gazette, today > http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/anima_rising/album?.dir=/8775&.src=ph&.tok=ph > bOC.BBIxXZQEBF > Thanks, Catherine. Wonderful photos! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:02:52 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Who we are now and who we used to be (NJC) Hi Bob, That's a very good comment. I understand why people identify themselves with their work. For those who were able to follow their heart's call, it would be an accurate statement. If someone had a passion for art and became an artist, it would indeed be who they are from my perspective. I am, have always been, and will always be a musician. I am at a place in my life now where I can accept that and embrace it. I make a living as a receptionist for an NBA franchise. I listened to people who told me how unrealistic this desire for music was. I listened to people who told me to grow up and put away childish things (in reference to the music) and I tried to do that. It was disastrous. I also tried to be a musician in my earlier years, but I didn't have the self confidence or self will to stick up for myself and see it through so naturally, I thought it must have been a mistake. I thought those people had to be right. One thing though about those past days; I at least knew who I was at the time. The most important thing I have learned is to trust your heart, trust your heart, trust your heart. I believe that everyone was born with a gift and a talent though I can't explain how. To find oneself and to finally live that life is to me, the essence of the journey. to actually make money from it is the icing on the cake!!!!! Sherelle Bob wrote: But work? Naw. Making a living and making a life are two different things for me. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:36:56 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni photos **Thanks, Catherine. Wonderful photos! I agree, and thanks for sharing them Catherine - but when is Joni going to let her hair choose it's own color? I guess she still thinks of herself as the Blonde in The Bleachers in a way. Bob NP: Kim Prevost & Bill Solley, "Woodstock" Mmmm Mmmmm Good! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:38:57 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: njc strolling through the bios As you can see, I am still weeks behind in digests. Vince said: <> I just tried the link and it's working fine for me. In any case, it's an old, old metaphysical/spiritual newsletter that I used to put out, but I haven't put a new issue out for years as I stopped publishing. The website just has the back issues on it. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:33:22 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni Covers Chalom Nuriel I've got a dozen or so Cover CDs from the tree that I can send you. Sorry I didn't make those re-available earlier. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:34:25 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: NJC The "world" as we know it (njc) > Em > NPIMH "Its the End of the WOrld as We KNow it" REM Wait.......shouldn't this song have been called "It's the End of the United States as we Know It" ? REM is just a little band from Athens, Georgia. They couldn't possibly be singing about the WHOLE world. What gall!!!!! Arrogant bastards.... Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:17:38 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Very happy for Joni Thanks so much to whoever posted the pictures! I had to take a moment and reflect on this new event in Joni's life and I am very happy for her. It feels right. Once Joni started performing again in the late nineties (remember when we used to pine for that?) I felt she made a lot of people very happy. I never got a chance to see her live, but my life has been so saturated with her music (especially Shadows and Light) that I have never felt the need to. There are very few artists who can capture that essence in a recording and Joni is one of those people. When I think of all the pearls of wisdom she has imparted through her songs ("We're stardust...we're a billion year old carbon...) an honorary doctorate is just a natural progression. Somehow, she understands the mysteries of life and the universe, but moreover, she has always been brave enough to explore her own shortcomings and emotions in a public forum. That is what I love most about her. She has taught me that it is okay not to be perfect. She has taught me so much more than beautiful chords and haunting words. She has taught me how to be a better human being by being an imperfect one. I'm fighting back the tears on this one because I have never known anyone who has had the kind of courage to show herself in such a brutally honest manner. It's not that one puts her on a pedestal as that would negate the whole concept of what I am trying to say; but one cannot help but be awed and inspired by who she is and what she has done in her lifetime. For those of you who have had an opportunity to speak to her or reach her directly or indirectly, you are very fortunate indeed. You should savor and cherish that moment. This is a great lady because she made a choice a long time ago to dare to be different. By doing so, she has impacted so many other lives. She has dared to be fallible in a world where perfection is the only standard. She has allowed herself to feel joy and pain and she shared it with us. Anyone who listens to her music is privileged to get a glimpse into her real world. That's why people love her so. It's just plain admiration from one human being to another. So now? Now I would love Joni to enjoy the fruits of her labors. At this time of her life, if she feels like singing, I would like her to sing. If she feels like stepping back, then I want her to step back. I want her to do whatever makes her happy in her life right now. I want her to enjoy her grandchildren and enter into that "rest" I feel she deserves. I am so saturated and content with her life and her music. It's a good feeling..... Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:27:28 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Joni Symposium Special on CBC Radio 2 I believe this is a two hour show. I will record it. Doug - ------------ 12:00 p.m. Studio Sparks 29/10/04 - A tribute to Joni Mitchell today on Studio Sparks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:09:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC The "world" as we know it (njc) well they did say the end of the world "as we know it" - so to me that includes whatever warpedness/shallowness of perception may be present. Its like a disclaimer, maybe? em ps happy friday! - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > > Em > > NPIMH "Its the End of the WOrld as We KNow it" REM > > > Wait.......shouldn't this song have been called "It's the End of the > United > States as we Know It" ? REM is just a little band from Athens, > Georgia. > They couldn't possibly be singing about the WHOLE world. What > gall!!!!! > Arrogant bastards.... > > Victor > > > > > > > Victor Johnson > New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now > Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville > http://www.waytobluemusic.com > > > ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:22:27 EDT From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: a joni encounter from Tenda at the UTNE CAFE LAURA NYRO SITE This is just so cool. Our friend Susan who is a regular on the UTNE CAFE site, had a joni encounter that I would like to post below. It is so magical, as she had JUST put her cat to sleep the day before. What a gift from her car!! here is her post: and her references to Laura Nyro just amazing! I got to Redpath Hall five minutes before the end of the afternoon panel at 3:30 - I'd have to wait until 4pm before the last part the Roundtable...everyone got up to go out side for a break...and in comes Joni Mitchell from a side door followed by a stream of cameras and reporters and journalists...boom mikes. She looked stunning - red blouse and sleevless top red and grays and blacks...a very fashion statement skirt and red shoes ...kinda like Dorothy from the Wizard... She was immediately surrounded by the media ..at this point people came back into the room hearing that she had showed up ... I think due to my grief...I wasn't quite in a normal state of mind... I walked slowly over toward herandgot myself positioned right behind her and a little to the left...she couldn't see me...I was the only non-media person in the group...every one had a mike or a camera and asked her questions...the usual stuff...finally the dean who was with her said , "Okay that's the last question, we need to start the round table now"...and at that moment I stepped forward and touched her arm (her blouse was like a very soft red crinkly crape paper that you would find at a kids party table) in fact I didn't just touch her arm I kinda gently rubbed it with my index finger...and at the same time I said her name..."Joni" and she turned around and looked right at me with a very open and receptive look.... So here's what I said, "Joni...did you ever get to spend any time with Laura Nyro" and Joni said looking into my eyes..."Yes I did - I spent some times (and she specified it as plural) with Laura and she smiled. Then I asked her, "Did you like her?" And Joni replied, " Yes I liked Laura...and we had times together...but the way Laura was you know...and I nodded ...she was a strange girl...it wasn't easy to get to know her...she didn't let you in too easily...and the time I spent with her ...it was strange...but certainly NOT alienating...and she smiled and really looked into me...you know...and I nodded yes ...I knew...then I sort of went brain blank and was just smiling at Joni...and then they took her away... but it was a beautiful moment...truely... I canceled my last class tonight ...so I could go to the convacation...how lovely it was ...Joni giggled alot ...she had to sit beside the chancellor...and she kept bursting into little teenage giggles...from time to time...I don't blame her -you should have seen the hat she had to wear...those graduation clothes are a hoot....but her little red shoes were ever so cute...she was called down to the platform in a procession with all the other graduates ...led by a scottish bagpipe in full regalia- Mr McGill being a Scott- anyway when Joni had to get up and say something after receiving an honorarydoctrate...she looked stunned that she had to speak...she walked over to the mike and said - you know its very rare that I feel speechless...then she paused ...and said, Well I guess from now on they'll have to say... "Uh What's Up Doc" (in her finest imitaion of bugs bunny)... so that's the news tribe... theres more but I'm tired need to get some zzzzzzz's Jody L. Serkes jserkes@aol.com 314.378.6052 Fax) 859.268.7729 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:43:27 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: NJC The "world" as we know it (njc) Happy Friday to you Em and to everybody! And Lucy, you keep being English....I love England and hope to make a trip back there someday soon, make a pilgrimage to Tanworth on Arden, hang out with Stryngs, visit Leive.... Victor, on my way to Dobson, North Carolina and Black Wolf Vineyards Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:40:23 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: a Joni encounter from Tenda at the UTNE CAFE LAURA NYRO SITE What a wonderful, magical post Jody. Thanks for sharing it. It sounds so much like our Joni. She is just unbelievable to meet, so natural, and graceful to all. Jerry > This is just so cool. Our friend Susan who is a regular on the UTNE CAFE > site, had a joni encounter that I would like to post below. It is so magical, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:50:30 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, kissing a sunset pig If you all can stand one more Red Sox post.... (Anne and Victor and Vince, I know YOU won't mind!)...but at least this one has some Joni content (sort of): I even kissed a Sunset pig! Yesterday I was in the car w/ my son Michael when I saw Officer Lincoln (a cute traffic cop here on campus). He's a big Red Sox fan and we have often chatted in the parking lot about the games. Well, I haven't seen him in weeks, so when I spotted him, I LEPT out the car and gave him a big congratulatory hug and kiss on the check. He was a little dumbfounded at first until I told him it was for the Red Sox! (blushing now....) And there's Michael in the car, shaking his head in disbelief and embarrassment that his mother is actually kissing one of the dreaded traffic cops in public! His mom kissed a Sunset pig! Yikes! Love to all, Patti _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:49:18 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Joni Symposium Special on CBC Radio 2 Update The Joni segment starts at 2:05PM EST Doug - ------------ 12:00 p.m. Studio Sparks 29/10/04 - A tribute to Joni Mitchell today on Studio Sparks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:29:03 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Mark Morford: Get Out And Vote And Scream I love this guy. Get Out And Vote And Scream Now that we're all completely fried and bitter and media punch-drunk, it's time to act By Mark Morford So here we are, staring down a rather historic moment amidst the sputtering ideological orgy that is the American experiment and if you're paying any sort of attention at all you're doubtlessly drunk on election hype and saturated with Bush/Kerry platitudes and you wish a white-hot death upon every screeching TV pundit who is right now analyzing yet another insidious national poll that seems to reveal everything and nothing at the exact same time. And Bush is out there right this very second stumping and sweating and blinking fast and defending his useless hideous little war and hurling snide little invectives and completely fabricated exaggerations at John Kerry, and Kerry is returning the favor by casually mentioning how Bush has ruined the goddamn nation and decimated our self-respect and run roughshod over our international relations all while raping the environment like no president in history and racking up a world-record deficit and mangling the language like a child on too much Ritalin. It has been, in short, the longest and most painful episode of "American Idol" ever, wherein the two finalists have belted every cheesy American standard and regurgitated every lame disco-era stage move and hit every warbly high note and sacrificed every shred of dignity and integrity and true individuality they might've once possessed, all in the desperate hope that you are finally sufficiently numbed to where you are finally ready press the right 800 number on your AT&T wireless service and place your stupefied vote .... (click here to read the rest: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2004/10/29/notes102904.DTL&nl=fix) - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:49:50 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: (NJC) Happy Halloween! This is too freaky....... Read the story below before opening the film (click the link to open; it may take a minute). Maximize the window and turn up your volume some. Watch your screen closely. This is a car advertisement from Europe. When it was finished being filmed, the ad people who made it noticed something moving along the side of the car, like a ghostly white mist. The ad was never put on TV because the unexplained ghostly phenomenon frightened the production team out of their wits. Watch it and about halfway you will see a white mist crossing in front of the car and then follow it along the road... Spooky! Happy Halloween! http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/Classic_.mpe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:00:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: the who we are posts NJC just wanted to say I've enjoyed reading those. I forget who started it - - or "what" started it (if it was an offshoot of another thread)... but its been really neat reading about those of you who have chimed in. :) Em ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:25:19 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: Joni Symposium Special on CBC Radio 2 It turned out to be a review of the symposium with a few clips of Joni answering questions and two songs: Silky Veils and BSN2000. 23 minutes total. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:41:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Who we are now and who we used to be (NJC) i used to be beautiful. the butter would melt when i passed the dairy aisle. men and women would ask me to be their first male lover. i used to be said to have la beauti du diable. i used to be witty. i used to write songs. i used to be a member of the communist party. i used to be an agitator. i used to throw rotten tomatoes at the police and boo when the tenor thought too much of himself. i used to search for the man who would be my mate. i used to be rich and travel travel travel and bring presents to everyone and speak in tongues. i used to be famous because i gave the best head in town. i used to tell lies to cab drivers and be all people to all people. now i am writing this. w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:58:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: oct 28!!! njc all right, so i forgot. yesterday was julius' birthday! happy year, julius dear! wally ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #440 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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