From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #439 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 29 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 439 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon andJohn Peel (njc) [Em ] Dr. Joan attends conference [] Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon andJohn Peel (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: A doctor's advice [Nuriel Tobias ] "Best Of" Joni covers compilation. [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon andJohn Peel (njc) ["Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon andJohn Peel (njc) enjoy it Victor! Am happy for you all up there! What aIl I said wasn't meant to be about baseball per se, and certainly not about the Red Sox...... but about the perception other countries have of us in general. So, when we call the final playoffs of a North American sports entity (Major League Baseball) the "World" Series, when all the teams are North American....ummm yeah it smacks of a bit of arrogance. Even to me! And I'm American and kind of piggish about it quite often! The fact that the question was ever raised in Lucy's mind indictes to me that *someone* out there wonders about it. Its a kind of typical swaggering - established early on. reminds me of the Ani line I just learned: "on the day that america fell to its knees after strutting around for a century without saying thank you or please " Buts it's tradition, and I'm happy for your win! I wanted to you all to win! (cuz I was mad at LaRussa, mostly, but other reasons too) So again, ENJOY. Wasn't meant to take away you all's joy......just a touch of criticism of the NAME of the series, not the series itself. Wishing you all up there great FUN! Victor - glad you are victorious! But if its gonna be called the World Series, open it up to "the world". Or, hell - don't! Em - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > > Sorry but I disagree. As to where was England or any other country, > as > far as I know they did not have any teams in Major League Baseball > the last > time I checkedSo to sum it up, this "I'm better > than > everyone else" talk is a bunch of garbage. snip... > Victor, enjoying this night, celebrating the Boston Red Sox WORLD > series > Championship. Get over it............. ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:07:49 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC I am soon to be 46, 16/12. I used to be someone else and now I am myself. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:10:16 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC Em wrote: >I guess what's freaking me about with this thread is how most people >are giving their J-O-B as "who they are". > > em-it is all to common that people tend to see themselves as 'human doings' instead of 'human beings'. However, we do live in a world that defines people by what they do and not who are they are so it is not surprising that individuals view themselves the same way. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:10:22 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC i was a bald headed baby. now, i'm a bald headed 48 yr. old man. happy then, and happy now. jimmy and i approve this message ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:19:18 +0100 From: colin Subject: Question Time NJC For over 25 years, I think, we have had a weekly programme called Question Time on the BBC(tv). It is a studio audience and a panel of politians and famous people. The aduience out questions to the panel. The famous people answer and the politicians answer but don't. Anyway, i enjoy this program. I was really looking forward to tonight's programme as it came from Miami. What a disappointment. the audience just lacked any sense of decorum. People were booed and shouted down. the programme could ahve been so much better and we might have got more questions asked and answered. Such a shame. It was more like Jerry Springer re the audinece behaviour, than a serious politcal debate. Perhaps the BBC will think better of it the next time someone suggests they take the programme to the USA. The british audince at hom are not all sweet and polite-far from it-they can be brutal-but they don't yell and scream over speakers. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:39:51 -0400 From: Subject: Dr. Joan attends conference Gees, asking for an appearance at an (unscheduled) JoniFest in LA doesn't sound so far-fetched now. Lama >Just heard a report on CBC Radio that Joni put in a surprise appearance at the McGill University conference this morning. After last night's ceremony when she was awarded an honorary doctorate, few expected her to attend today's moderated discussion. After posing for a few pictures she took a seat in the front row and took in the proceedings. The reporter stated that Joni's presence may have slightly intimidated some of the participants but nevertheless the program went on as scheduled. It was reported that Joni was very gracious throughout the award ceremony and this morning's meeting, acknowledging that she didn't always like the attention, but thanking the university and everyone in attendance for their support.> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:02:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon andJohn Peel (njc) --- Victor Johnson wrote: > Sorry but I disagree. As to where was England or > any other country, as > far as I know they did not have any teams in Major > League Baseball the last > time I checked, with the exception of Canada which > now is home to only one > team, the Toronto Bluejays who won the world series > twice in the early > nineties. The Montreal Expos have relocated to > Washington DC, formerly the > home of the Washington Senators who became the team > now known as the Texas > Rangers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it called the *World* Series because it was first sponsored by either a newspaper called "The World" or a company called "World [something or other]". In which case, calling it the World Series is correct. Calling the Red Sox World Series champions is correct. Calling them Champions of the World is a bit of a reach, but I'm sure that's how they - and their fans - feel about it right now. Catherine, who can't decide which is more boring: playing baseball or watching it, but who doesn't mind getting into an argument about words every now and then. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:59:28 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon andJohn Peel (njc) > Buts it's tradition, and I'm happy for your win! I wanted to you all to > win! (cuz I was mad at LaRussa, mostly, but other reasons too) > So again, ENJOY. Wasn't meant to take away you all's joy......just a > touch of criticism of the NAME of the series, not the series itself. Thank you.....:>) I understand what you were getting at but I still disagree that the name itself is arrogant. If you read the section below, which I found searching online, you will learn more about the actual origin of the name. People in general are way too offended these days over nothing and read offense into things were it simply doesn't exist. "One baseball myth that just won't die is that the "World Series" was named for the New York World newspaper, which supposedly sponsored the earliest contests. It didn't, and it wasn't. In fact, the postseason series between the AL and NL champs was originally known as the "Championship of the World" or "World's Championship Series." That was shortened through usage to "World's Series" and finally to "World Series." This usage can be traced through the annual baseball guides. Spalding's Base Ball Guide for 1887 reported the results of the 1886 postseason series between Chicago, champions of the National League, and St. Louis, champions of the American Association, under the heading "The World's Championship." As the editor noted, the two leagues "both entitle their championship contests each season as those for the base ball championship of the United States," so a more grandiose name was required to describe the postseason showdown between the two "champions of the United States." But the Spalding Guide -- which, after all, was published by one of the world's largest sporting goods companies, with a vested interest in bringing baseball to other lands -- had grander ambitions. By 1890, the Spalding Guide was explaining that "[t]he base ball championship of the United States necessarily includes that of the entire world, though the time will come when Australia will step in as a rival, and after that country will come Great Britain; but all that is for the future." This didn't happen, but the name "World's Championship Series" stuck. Reporting on the first modern postseason series, the Red Sox-Pirates battle of 1903, the 1904 Reach Guide called it the "World's Championship Series." By 1912, Reach's headline spoke of the "World's Series," while editor Francis Richter's text still referred to the "World's Championship Series." The Reach Guide switched from "World's Series" to "World Series" in 1931, retaining the modern usage through its merger with the Spalding Guide and through its final issue in 1941. The separately-edited Spalding Guide used "World's Series" through 1916, switching to "World Series" in the 1917 edition. The Spalding-Reach Guide was replaced as Major League Baseball's semi-official annual by the Sporting News Guide, first published in 1942. The Sporting News Guide used "World's Series" from 1942 through 1963, changing to "World Series" in the 1964 edition. Moreover, the New York World never claimed any connection with postseason baseball. The World was a tabloid much given to flamboyant self-promotion. If it had been involved in any way with sponsoring a championship series, the fact would have been emblazoned across its sports pages for months. I reviewed every issue of the World for the months leading up to the 1903 and 1905 World's Championship Series -- there's not a word suggesting any link between the paper and the series." (revised 05-03) Copyright ) 2001-02 Doug Pappas. All rights reserved. Originally published in the Fall 2001 issue of Outside the Lines, the SABR Business of Baseball Committee newsletter. Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:40:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon andJohn Peel (njc) --- Victor Johnson wrote: > "One baseball myth that just won't die is that the > "World Series" was named > for the New York World newspaper, which supposedly > sponsored the earliest > contests. It didn't, and it wasn't. [...] > Moreover, the New York World never claimed any > connection with postseason > baseball. The World was a tabloid much given to > flamboyant self-promotion. > If it had been involved in any way with sponsoring a > championship series, > the fact would have been emblazoned across its > sports pages for months. Aww well, fell for the myth. But the New York World got all that free publicity. Is there a New York World anymore? Don't think so. Guess it didn't help them. "We are the world." And what's up with Miss Universe anyway? Has anyone from another planet ever even been in that contest, much less won it? Arrogant earthlings! (Baseball is still booooooooorrrrriiiiinnnnnnggggg!) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:45:39 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC > I guess what's freaking me about with this thread is how most people > are giving their J-O-B as "who they are". Wow Em, you really hit an important nail right on its head. I'm not my job, at least I hope not!! I bitch everyday that people (particularly in the U.S.) are too hung up on making money money money money, and then I go and describe *who* I am by telling about my jobs. ICK. Time for self-evaluation, in a big way. In the meantime, as a first stab at rephrasing my response, let me say this: I am an idealistic, always have been. I am a believer but also a skeptic, and I guess that hasn't changed much since I was young. I am a liberal about many things but also what some people would consider "conservative" about a few other things. I am a rung in life's ladder and I'm not always happy about it, because I often feel guilty that I was born with certain "advantages" (intelligence, "white" skin, my American birth) and others have it so f_cking hard. I am a conundrum. I am a lover of life, and of life's wonders and pleasures. A defendant of choice. A proponent of personal responsibility. I am a thinker, and I am a loyal friend to my friends who are true. I don't know that much about me has changed between now and before, except that the more money I make, the more I want to give it away (or give it back, somehow, in some way). I'm basically the same open book I've always been, and I'm generally okay with myself (except for those times when I feel bad for not doing more to help those in need). Dat's it for now. Lori, pondering ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:17:22 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon andJohn Peel (njc) > And what's up with Miss Universe anyway? Has anyone > from another planet ever even been in that contest, > much less won it? Arrogant earthlings! LOL.......................... Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:03:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni photos Thank you, Catherine. Joni photos always make my day. I've checked out the 3 of them. On the left one she looks as if she's about to be strangled before beeing lead to the electric chair. Scary. On the one in the middle - her hair seems white! (does hair changes colour during the day or once you become a doctor?) The one on the right is lovely - this chain-smoking woman has the teeth of a baby! I think her dentist is a genius! And the clothes she's wearing, i mean, that sweater - it's like she's forgotten that she's at the University, and is about to take a walk in a park! Bloody cool woman! Thanks again, Cath, xxx Nuriel Catherine wrote: Joni photos Here are some pics of Joni from the National Post, La Presse de Montreal and the Montreal Gazette, today http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/anima_rising/album?.dir=/8775&.src=ph&.tok=phbOC.BBIxXZQEBF Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:06:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: A doctor's advice I would also like to remind you that "Doctor's pills give you brand new ills". xxx Nuriel Les Irvin wrote: by Bernard Perusse of the Montreal Gazette October 28, 2004 Photo of Dr Mitchell: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1184 Joni Mitchell was awarded an honorary Doctor of Music degree in a ceremony last night at McGill University's Pollack Hall. Finally, there's a good reason for Joni Mitchell's friends to shake their heads and say she's changed: she's Dr. Mitchell now. Breaking from the solemnity of McGill University's convocation ceremony, where she was awarded an honorary Doctor of Music degree last night, the legendary singer-songwriter adopted a Bugs Bunny voice and said, "From here on in, everybody will have to say, 'Eh, what's up, doc?' " Turning serious, Mitchell spent most of her brief speech urging the graduates of the music faculty to "think about balance in art," and not to ignore music's emotional side in favour of its intellectual content. "The music I like is a balance of opposites," she said. Earlier in the day, at a McGill symposium devoted to her art and music, Mitchell delighted fans by attending the event's closing round-table discussion at Redpath Hall. Meeting well-wishers and media before taking a seat in the front row, she addressed her reason for attending the ceremony: "It's recognition for my total work," she said. "That's why I'm here." Asked whether she likes to talk about her work, she said music is a way of conveying emotion directly. "To put it through the intellectual process does it a disservice, like translating from any language into another language. You lose something in the translation," she said. During the round-table event, performance artist John Kelly, playing a tape of himself doing an impression of the singer, looked down at Mitchell and said, "This is so surreal," drawing hearty laughter from the honouree. She was also visibly delighted by Village Voice critic Greg Tate's reading of his humorous piece How Black Is Joni Mitchell? At times, the singer offered comments from her seat, at one point reminiscing about the genesis of Mingus, her 1979 collaboration with jazz giant Charles Mingus, who died before the album was completed. "The first thing he said was, 'You that skinny-ass folk singer,' " Mitchell said. He then informed her that the strings on Paprika Plains were out of tune, she said, and a friendship was born. While talking about a Starbucks compilation she recently put together, Mitchell threw in an impression of Bob Dylan singing Positively 4th Street - a track that didn't make her cut. She also talked about her early days as a folksinger. "The music that I loved was very far away from what I was making," she said. "I had a black sense of feel. When I finally did get a band to play my music, it was a jazz band. Then I went into a minority camp, and eventually I lost my airplay. After working with Mingus, I never got played on the radio, but that was a necessary part of my education." If there was a recurring theme at the symposium, it was the impossibility of pigeonholing Mitchell's catalogue, which includes folk, rock, jazz, big-band, worldbeat and orchestral music. There were plenty of minutiae: one 45-minute panel discussion focused exclusively on the 1971 song The Last Time I Saw Richard, with speaker Daniel Sonenberg noting that he had no time to address the song's piano intro. But the academic approach worked for David Ryshpan, a third-year jazz piano performance student at McGill, who said he knew the hits through his parents, but truly discovered Mitchell when he embraced jazz. Ryshpan wrote a big-band arrangement of Mitchell's A Case of You, which was played at last night's ceremonies by the McGill Music Faculty Jazz Orchestra 1, among other tributes arranged by McGill students, with Mitchell listening. "To have my complete deconstruction of a Joni Mitchell tune played for Joni Mitchell is a tremendous honour," Ryshpan said. Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:47:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: "Best Of" Joni covers compilation. Bob and all friends, I have not even one of Bob's covers compilations. Is there a "Best of" covers compilation made out of all the compilations so far, Bob? Anyone who's got Bob's compilations - could you please invent your own tracklisting covers you'd choose for a "Best of" compilation? xxx Nuriel Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:00:16 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon andJohn Peel (njc) ooooooH SORRY. It was a genuine puzzlement. when something has WORLD in front of it I assume international competition. Nothing wrong with you being proud of being American Vic..you go on and be who you are.. I was just not sure whether there had been some wonderful international sporting thing (a bit like the olympics) that had somehow not been shown on our TV. Its a bit like you not seeing our football and rugby stuff. We have British titles, and International titles for our various competitions. so I suppose your Red Sox is a bit like Liverpool who, I think, have ended up as top of the Premiere League, a BRitish title, since it involves no international play. WORLD CUP and European cup involves huge numbers of international playoffs on foreign fields.... ANYWAY.. What I did not understand was how on earth it could be a WORLD championship with only American teams playing. I wont be confused again. confusion over...... Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Johnson" To: "Em" ; "Lucy Hone" ; Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 3:18 AM Subject: Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon andJohn Peel (njc) > > > > Sorry but I disagree. As to where was England or any other country, as > far as I know they did not have any teams in Major League Baseball the last > time I checked, with the exception of Canada which now is home to only one > team, the Toronto Bluejays who won the world series twice in the early > nineties. The Montreal Expos have relocated to Washington DC, formerly the > home of the Washington Senators who became the team now known as the Texas > Rangers. > > There are many countries represented in MLB including Pedro Martinez of the > Boston Red Sox, from the Dominican Republic. Jose Contreras of the New > York Yankees was reunited with his family this year after they made a > daring escape from Cuba, 18 months after he defected and joined the team. > link: http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/205554p-177424c.html I'm > not sure how many different countries are represented in baseball here but > it would be interesting to find out. Another player, Matsui of the Yankees > played in this years world series and his every move was covered by a dozen > or so journalists from Japan. > > Frankly I think reading arrogance and negativity into things is where there > is none is just propogating negativity. Let the Boston Red Sox enjoy their > championship and leave politics out of it. I love the game of baseball and > as far as I am concerned the Boston Red Sox are the World Champions. > > I'm glad to be an American and am glad I was able to witness what is the > greatest comeback in American sports history. And associating an > incredible accomplishment by a great team with the twin towers tragedy > whether directly or indirectly is insulting. It is now a seventh inning > tradition to have someone sing "God Bless America" and I am glad that > servicemen and women overseas are being thought of and acknowledged. James > Taylor singing the national anthem on his guitar at Fenway Park was one of > the most beautiful things I've ever heard. > > Anyway, I thouroughly enjoyed the baseball playoffs this year and refuse to > listen to any of this negativity. Actually, in Japan, Matsui is a sports > superstar....hence all the coverage. And some MLB baseball players play > winter ball in other countries. So to sum it up, this "I'm better than > everyone else" talk is a bunch of garbage. > > > Victor, enjoying this night, celebrating the Boston Red Sox WORLD series > Championship. Get over it............. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lucy > > Sorry to say, it's just more of our damned American vanity and > > arrogance. Surely our teams are best in the world. Right? > > It's the kind of arrogance that when it festers long enough in the > > wrong toad-squirming brain - gets us airliners crashing into our twin > > towers. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #439 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)