From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #438 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 28 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 438 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: John Peel (RIP) [steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder)] The Advocate [Jerry Notaro ] RedSox!!!!! (njc) ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Jonifest in France [Jamie Zubairi ] John Peel ["willytheshake100" ] Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon and John Peel (njc) ["Lucy Hone" ] Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon and John Peel (njc) [Em ] Jonifest in France ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Jonifest in France ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Lunch at Allen's on tour NJC [dsk ] Re: Jonifest in France ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] njc, RED SOX NATION ["Patti Parlette" ] Chris Botti Gossip (NJC) [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: RedSox!!!!! (njc) [dsk ] Dr. Joan attends conference [Scott Price ] Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC [Lori Fye ] Dr Joan [Brian Gross ] RE: who are we now and who we used to be NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] A doctor's advice ["Les Irvin" ] Dr Joni in La Presse de Montreal [Catherine McKay ] Dr Joni Montreal Gazette [Catherine McKay ] Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni photos [Catherine ] Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon andJohn Peel (njc) ["Victor Johnson" Subject: The Advocate In the latest issue of The Advocate, in the music section , on the same page with a story about Patricia Barber (note bene, Les!) is a review of the cd release of Shadows and Light: This is what pop music could and should sound like: fabulous lyrics, a great singer, interesting instrumentalists, and a pliable rhythm section. On this record Metheny makes his mark, and the electric bass of Jaco Pastorious is phenomenal, truly never to be heard like this again. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:09:33 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: RedSox!!!!! (njc) It's going to take a year to catch up on sleep LOL!!!!! But, oh is this worth it! The phrase "not in my lifetime" no longer applies. Car horns were going off all night; people were setting off firecrackers... The joy here is so hard to describe. Can't wait for the parade on Saturday. It IS next year!!!!!! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:52:19 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Jonifest in France Hello Laurent Yes count me in on the SW France Jonifest! As they are held in the US I can never make it but I would love to go to one in France. Let me know and keep me posted Much Joni Jamie Zoob Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:19:13 +0100 From: "willytheshake100" Subject: John Peel John Peel will be missed. I remember way back when Don Juan's came out, he played every song on the album over what must have been about a week - I was on Christmas break from college and so was able to listen to all his shows. It's not often you hear every song from any album on the radio let alone the likes of DJRD. He even played Paprika Plains - all 16 minutes of it! Afterwards I remember he said, Well there, I've played it. He was a hero for that alone. Peace. WtS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:31:02 +0100 From: "Lucy Hone" Subject: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon and John Peel (njc) RE Below..... and title Can you tell me where England or any other country came in this WORLD CHAMPIONS series? Which country did they beat? Have I missed something? Lucy, truly bewildered, but then that is not new.. Oh and PS and YES I saw the most wonderful moon this morning when I walked the dog. did not see the eclipse but WOW oh WOW the moon is good at the moment, especially on the sea and the water that is laying on the marsh at the moment. and PPS John Peel was a great DJ, truly a master and so much more than a DJ. The reviews of Glastonbury will not be the same, Saturday mornings have always been HOME TRUTHS for me and his wonderfully dead pan delivery was his own unique hallmark. What a great influence on the music scene of this world he has been. Sigh.... Lucy Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:38:34 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(njc) Red Sox World Champions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love your friends because you choose them. Understand your family because no one else can. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:30:40 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC I'm 50, used to be a truck driver, a carpet salesman, I worked in an aluminium factory, a tax office, all of this in north Wales. I'm now a teacher/translator in Barcelona, Spain. mike in barcelona NP Nick Cave - The Lyre of Orpheus. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:46:40 EDT From: Rdalindley@aol.com Subject: Vanity Fair vs. Fresh Air Vanity Fair article versus Fresh Air interview. The story about Joni meeting Mabel Mercer is a favorite of mine as I am a cabaret singer and fan of both women. But in the Vanity Fair piece Elvis Costello says that it is "Circle Game" that Ms. Mercer performed, while on NPR Joni says it was "Both Sides Now." I happen to have a recording of Mercer singing "Both Sides Now." Does anyone know if "Circle Game" was actually part of her rep too or did Costello just get the story mixed up? Rob in the blue TV screen light ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:02:39 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Vanity Fair vs. Fresh Air > Vanity Fair article versus Fresh Air interview. > > The story about Joni meeting Mabel Mercer is a favorite of mine as I am a > cabaret singer and fan of both women. But in the Vanity Fair piece Elvis > Costello says that it is "Circle Game" that Ms. Mercer performed, while on NPR > Joni > says it was "Both Sides Now." I happen to have a recording of Mercer singing > "Both Sides Now." Does anyone know if "Circle Game" was actually part of her > rep too or did Costello just get the story mixed up? > > Rob > in the blue TV screen light > Joni has told the same story many times during her career. It is definitely Both Sides Now. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:03:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon and John Peel (njc) - --- Lucy Hone wrote: > Can you tell me where England or any other country came in this WORLD > CHAMPIONS series? Which country did they beat? Have I missed > something? Hi Lucy Sorry to say, it's just more of our damned American vanity and arrogance. Surely our teams are best in the world. Right? It's the kind of arrogance that when it festers long enough in the wrong toad-squirming brain - gets us airliners crashing into our twin towers. I would love a Cuban team to kick our ass in baseball and f_cking Mel Martinez to lose money betting on it. Em ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:05:08 EDT From: Rdalindley@aol.com Subject: Re: Vanity Fair vs. Fresh Air I was pretty certain it was too. Weird that they didn't check into that a bit more before printing. But I found that you REALLY had to know Joni and her work to appreciate the interview. I kept wondering if the average person or even someone who just has Blue or Court and Spark would get a lot out of the interview and it's many refererences to Joni's lesser-known lyrics. Rob in the blue TV screen light ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:15:47 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (njc) It's called hubris by North American sports teams Lucy to call themselves world champions. The NBA has done it for years although their recent showings in international events has shown they are less than champions of anything. More accurate would be the Red Sox, North American Baseball League champions. mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lucy Hone" To: ; Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:31 AM Subject: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon and John Peel (njc) > RE Below..... and title > > Can you tell me where England or any other country came in this WORLD > CHAMPIONS series? Which country did they beat? Have I missed something? > > Lucy, truly bewildered, but then that is not new.. > > Oh and PS and YES I saw the most wonderful moon this morning when I walked the > dog. did not see the eclipse but WOW oh WOW the moon is good at the moment, > especially on the sea and the water that is laying on the marsh at the > moment. > and > > PPS > > John Peel was a great DJ, truly a master and so much more than a DJ. The > reviews of Glastonbury will not be the same, Saturday mornings have always > been HOME TRUTHS for me and his wonderfully dead pan delivery was his own > unique hallmark. What a great influence on the music scene of this world he > has been. > > Sigh.... > > Lucy > > > > > Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:38:34 -0700 > From: "Victor Johnson" > Subject: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(njc) > > > > > > Red Sox World Champions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > Love your friends because you choose them. > Understand your family because no one else can. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:17:37 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: the moon, njc Wally wrote: are you looking at the incredibly beautiful lunar eclipse? it is happening right now! full moon in taurus, sun in scorpio! really big stuff. Hi Wally! Yes!!! It was so cool! I watched it until it was really dark. My favorite time was just as it turned completely red. "They would have cleared the floor just to watch the" moon turn red. "They're such sky oriented people." People in my neck of the woods were sitting out in lawn chairs watching. Better than fireworks!! And, what a connection... to be able to see the same show from such great distances away on the face of the earth. Love and awe, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:00:55 -0700 From: Kate Subject: Joni on CTV News Was pleased to see Joni on the 11 o'clock national news last night. She is receiving an honorary doctorate from McGill University (I think) in Montreal; they are doing symposiums on her songs and writing; and she is being awarded a Member of the Order of Canada. Go Joan! Kate of the North journal ~ http://xoetc.antville.org mail ~ http://letterwritershotel.blogspot.com cafi ~ http://stubblejump.diaryland.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:02:30 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Jonifest in France Hello Laurent Yes count me in on the SW France Jonifest! As they are held in the US I can never make it but I would love to go to one in France. Let me know and keep me posted Much Joni Jamie Zoob Hi Jamie Great news, I have to contact the B&Bs and the hotels and the cook so I'll be posting all the rates in due time. I don't expect it will be significantly higher (if at all) than the U.S Jonifest. I'd like to get some feeback from the participants about choosing a convenient date in August. Laurent, now travel agent. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:33:39 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Jonifest in France . I'd like to get some feeback from the participants about choosing a convenient date in August. Laurent, now travel agent. Laurent, my birthday is August 8, I'd love to celebrate my 44th in France! But any date in August will work, put me under the flexible column. db ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:36:00 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Lunch at Allen's on tour NJC mags h wrote: > > Allen's in Toronto, on Davenport (i think) is a spin off of Joe Allen's which used to be in the downtown area...near Roy Thomson Hall for all of you Canuckians out there...Joe Allen of course is or at least was a fine little place somewhere in NYC...anyone know about it? Joe Allen in NYC still is a fine little place, for food, not music. It's a restaurant in the theater district on West 46th. Comfortable place, just one big room really, and usually packed before and after the Broadway shows. The last time I was there was with a group to celebrate our friend's debut performance in a show that night. Elaine Stritch was also there celebrating her birthday with lots of familiar looking people at the long table down the center of the room. She's an attention-getter, both on and off the stage, and we all joined in to sing happy birthday to her. That was a fun evening in lots of ways. Sounds like you had a mighty fine birthday celebration, Mags. Your enthusiasm for the music is infectious. May you have many more such happy times! Debra Shea, in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:35:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Jonifest in France The first part of the month is easier for me than later. Jerry Donna Binkley said: > . > I'd like to get some feeback from the participants about choosing a > convenient date in August. > > Laurent, now travel agent. > > > Laurent, my birthday is August 8, I'd love to celebrate my 44th in > France! But any date in August will work, put me under the flexible > column. db ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:59:39 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, RED SOX NATION Dear Anne and Vince and other Red Sox fans (with sincere apologies to those who find no redeeming social value in sports): Believe it! Love it! Bask in it! The Boston Red Sox have finally won the "World Serious!" (my son Chris called it that when he was little). The curse has been reversed. (Anne, you must have eaten an awful lot of ice-cream this week!)There is joy in Red Sox Nation! "Love that dirty water, Oh, oh, Boston brought it HOME!" Love, Patti P.S. Let's hope we can reverse ANOTHER, more sinister curse next Tuesday. Everyone up on the Peace Train! _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:02:11 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Chris Botti Gossip (NJC) Sam Rubin on WGN morning news reported that Chris Botti (Sam didn't know who he was) was dating Katie Couric. Anyone else heard or confirmed this juicy tidbit? FYI: An interesting note I found while searching for confirmation of this trivia: Chris is using a recently purchased vintage 1940 Martin Hand Craft trumpet. The same model that Miles Davis used. He says it's made a difference in his playing. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:15:23 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: RedSox!!!!! (njc) Anne Sandstrom wrote: > > It's going to take a year to catch up on sleep LOL!!!!! But, oh is this worth it! > > The phrase "not in my lifetime" no longer applies. Car horns were going off all > night; people were setting off firecrackers... The joy here is so hard to describe. > Can't wait for the parade on Saturday. Wow! And to win the World Series in a sweep, too! And get past the Yankees! That's really the important part, right? :-) I say, thank god, cantankerous Babe Ruth is finally released! And, "World" Series? Sounds good to me! The only countries other than the U.S. where the game is so popular are Japan and Cuba (and Dominican Republic?), so people there can complain about the baseball championship being called the World Series, but what's the deal with the English or anyone else complaining about it? (Yep, I'm politically incorrect on this issue!) Was the English team not allowed to participate? Whatever it's called, the Red Sox winning the championship is a very big deal to lots of people. So, congratulations to Red Sox fans everywhere! That's going to be one seriously grand parade! Enjoy, Anne! Debra Shea, in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:55:51 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Dr. Joan attends conference Just heard a report on CBC Radio that Joni put in a surprise appearance at the McGill University conference this morning. After last night's ceremony when she was awarded an honorary doctorate, few expected her to attend today's moderated discussion. After posing for a few pictures she took a seat in the front row and took in the proceedings. The reporter stated that Joni's presence may have slightly intimidated some of the participants but nevertheless the program went on as scheduled. It was reported that Joni was very gracious throughout the award ceremony and this morning's meeting, acknowledging that she didn't always like the attention, but thanking the university and everyone in attendance for their support. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:08:27 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC I do administrative and computer graphics stuff for a large corporate real estate firm's Washington DC area office. I've been doing mostly admin and bookkeeping work since I got out of the Air Force in 1987, although I've also been an apprentice electrician, a waitress (mostly cocktails but sometimes food too), a bartender, and a backroom blackjack dealer (in Westby, Montana where the game was illegal and probably still is). While in the Air Force I was mainly a repairer of aircraft control & warning radar systems*, but I also "flew a desk" when my assignment was to coordinate preventive maintenance downtime for all the radar stations from Point Arena, CA to Midland/Odessa, TX, and again while supervising an enlisted on-the-job training program (in Germany). I'm no longer naive, but I'm still idealistic and I still believe. If I could be anything at all, I would be an actor. : ) Lori *My first assignment was on the paprika plains of North Dakota, the tower with the Purina antenna was where I worked, http://www.radomes.org/museum/photos/FortunaAFSND65-19.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:16:02 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Re: Lunch at Allen's on tour NJC thanks Debra, for writing. The Joe Allen's in Toronto was not a place for music either, but for food and plenty of international brew on tap..which was a lot of fun to try...one of my favourites... Edelweiss.. yumm. another bday gift, the CD of the show Lunch at Allen's, which I highly highly recommend....um did I mention I love the CD? ;-)) Mags, still enjoying bday goodies, just picked up Dreamland, thanks Mom ;-)!! dsk wrote: mags h wrote: > > Allen's in Toronto, on Davenport (i think) is a spin off of Joe Allen's which used to be in the downtown area...near Roy Thomson Hall for all of you Canuckians out there...Joe Allen of course is or at least was a fine little place somewhere in NYC...anyone know about it? Joe Allen in NYC still is a fine little place, for food, not music. It's a restaurant in the theater district on West 46th. Comfortable place, just one big room really, and usually packed before and after the Broadway shows. The last time I was there was with a group to celebrate our friend's debut performance in a show that night. Elaine Stritch was also there celebrating her birthday with lots of familiar looking people at the long table down the center of the room. She's an attention-getter, both on and off the stage, and we all joined in to sing happy birthday to her. That was a fun evening in lots of ways. Sounds like you had a mighty fine birthday celebration, Mags. Your enthusiasm for the music is infectious. May you have many more such happy times! Debra Shea, in NYC if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:32:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Dr Joan http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/national/2004/10/28/Arts/jonimitchelldegree041028.html Joni Mitchell receives honorary doctorate Last Updated Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:57:30 EDT MONTREAL - In accepting her honorary degree from McGill University on Wednesday evening, Joni Mitchell channeled the spirit of Bugs Bunny to break the ice at the solemn occasion. Now that she had a doctorate of music, everyone would have to greet her with "Eh, what's up, doc?" she joked, imitating the voice of the cartoon character. The 60-year-old Canadian music legend continued her brief speech to the music graduates of the Montreal school by urging them to "think about balance in art" and not to ignore music's emotional side in favour of its intellectual content. Joni Mitchell attends the first Canadian exhibition of her artwork at Saskatoon's Mendel Art Gallery in June 2000 (CP file photo). "The music I like is a balance of opposites," said Mitchell, who broke into the music scene in the 1960s as a folk singer-songwriter, but who eventually experimented with a variety of genres, including jazz, rock, big-band and world beat. "The music that I loved was very far away from what I was making," Mitchell said of her beginnings. "I had a black sense of feel. When I finally did get a band to play my music, it was a jazz band. Then I went into a minority camp, and eventually I lost my airplay. After working with [jazz legend Charles] Mingus, I never got played on the radio, but that was a necessary part of my education." The presentation of the honorary degree, which McGill says is the first such award she's been given in Canada, at the school's fall convocation followed a day-long academic symposium in her honour. Mitchell performs on the CBC-TV series 'Show of the Week' in May 1968. At the conference, the Alberta-born Mitchell explained her eclectic musical tastes through words evocative of her most recent career as a visual artist. "I tend to like pictorial kind of compositions where it's more than notes; there's a communication that's taking place," Mitchell told the group of academics, music journalists and historians gathered to discuss her work and legacy. "In Beethoven, I hear horses galloping and carriages rolling and a lot of things. Of course [Claude] Debussy is very painterly. There's all kinds of pictures coming off of that," said Mitchell, who has retired from singing and spends her time painting at her California home. Written by CBC News Online staff (I wonder if Bugs might be willing to do a duet with Ducki?) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:45:06 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: who are we now and who we used to be NJC I am a professor of English at Georgia Southern University in Statesboro Georgia. I used to be a yankee! Seriously for the ten years I was earning my PhD at George Washington University, I was the head librarian for the Federal Bar Association Law Library in Washington, DC my still much longed for home. Sometimes I'm a folksinger. If anyone is around Savannah, GA on November 5th, come hear me: http://www.savannahfolk.org/events.html I am now, and have always been, a member of the Democratic Party. Richard Flynn http://www.georgiasouthern.edu/~rflynn - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 4:08 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC I do administrative and computer graphics stuff for a large corporate real estate firm's Washington DC area office. I've been doing mostly admin and bookkeeping work since I got out of the Air Force in 1987, although I've also been an apprentice electrician, a waitress (mostly cocktails but sometimes food too), a bartender, and a backroom blackjack dealer (in Westby, Montana where the game was illegal and probably still is). While in the Air Force I was mainly a repairer of aircraft control & warning radar systems*, but I also "flew a desk" when my assignment was to coordinate preventive maintenance downtime for all the radar stations from Point Arena, CA to Midland/Odessa, TX, and again while supervising an enlisted on-the-job training program (in Germany). I'm no longer naive, but I'm still idealistic and I still believe. If I could be anything at all, I would be an actor. : ) Lori *My first assignment was on the paprika plains of North Dakota, the tower with the Purina antenna was where I worked, http://www.radomes.org/museum/photos/FortunaAFSND65-19.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:59:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC I guess what's freaking me about with this thread is how most people are giving their J-O-B as "who they are". I guess I'm happy for any of you who "are" your job - that kind of intimacy with one's work I guess must be a good thing. But I can't relate. I am sooooooooooooo *not* my job. "It ain't me babe" and sung with a vengeance. They can buy my time, but my soul remains MY OWN. And you know what? I know you all's do too. It just makes me feel like a different species or something, to not be among the "movers and shakers" who so seamlessly move between job and private life. And I don't want to be a mover or shaker. Best shakin' I do is when Ms. Laura Love is rockin da house. HELLA TIGHT! ;) respek.... em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > I do administrative and computer graphics stuff for a large corporate > real > estate firm's Washington DC area office. I've been doing mostly > admin and > bookkeeping work since I got out of the Air Force in 1987, although > I've also > been an apprentice electrician, a waitress (mostly cocktails but > sometimes food > too), a bartender, and a backroom blackjack dealer (in Westby, > Montana where the > game was illegal and probably still is). > > While in the Air Force I was mainly a repairer of aircraft control & > warning > radar systems*, but I also "flew a desk" when my assignment was to > coordinate > preventive maintenance downtime for all the radar stations from Point > Arena, CA > to Midland/Odessa, TX, and again while supervising an enlisted > on-the-job > training program (in Germany). > > I'm no longer naive, but I'm still idealistic and I still believe. > > If I could be anything at all, I would be an actor. > > : ) > > Lori > > *My first assignment was on the paprika plains of North Dakota, the > tower with > the Purina antenna was where I worked, > http://www.radomes.org/museum/photos/FortunaAFSND65-19.jpg > ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:28:50 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: A doctor's advice by Bernard Perusse of the Montreal Gazette October 28, 2004 Photo of Dr Mitchell: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1184 Joni Mitchell was awarded an honorary Doctor of Music degree in a ceremony last night at McGill University's Pollack Hall. Finally, there's a good reason for Joni Mitchell's friends to shake their heads and say she's changed: she's Dr. Mitchell now. Breaking from the solemnity of McGill University's convocation ceremony, where she was awarded an honorary Doctor of Music degree last night, the legendary singer-songwriter adopted a Bugs Bunny voice and said, "From here on in, everybody will have to say, 'Eh, what's up, doc?' " Turning serious, Mitchell spent most of her brief speech urging the graduates of the music faculty to "think about balance in art," and not to ignore music's emotional side in favour of its intellectual content. "The music I like is a balance of opposites," she said. Earlier in the day, at a McGill symposium devoted to her art and music, Mitchell delighted fans by attending the event's closing round-table discussion at Redpath Hall. Meeting well-wishers and media before taking a seat in the front row, she addressed her reason for attending the ceremony: "It's recognition for my total work," she said. "That's why I'm here." Asked whether she likes to talk about her work, she said music is a way of conveying emotion directly. "To put it through the intellectual process does it a disservice, like translating from any language into another language. You lose something in the translation," she said. During the round-table event, performance artist John Kelly, playing a tape of himself doing an impression of the singer, looked down at Mitchell and said, "This is so surreal," drawing hearty laughter from the honouree. She was also visibly delighted by Village Voice critic Greg Tate's reading of his humorous piece How Black Is Joni Mitchell? At times, the singer offered comments from her seat, at one point reminiscing about the genesis of Mingus, her 1979 collaboration with jazz giant Charles Mingus, who died before the album was completed. "The first thing he said was, 'You that skinny-ass folk singer,' " Mitchell said. He then informed her that the strings on Paprika Plains were out of tune, she said, and a friendship was born. While talking about a Starbucks compilation she recently put together, Mitchell threw in an impression of Bob Dylan singing Positively 4th Street - a track that didn't make her cut. She also talked about her early days as a folksinger. "The music that I loved was very far away from what I was making," she said. "I had a black sense of feel. When I finally did get a band to play my music, it was a jazz band. Then I went into a minority camp, and eventually I lost my airplay. After working with Mingus, I never got played on the radio, but that was a necessary part of my education." If there was a recurring theme at the symposium, it was the impossibility of pigeonholing Mitchell's catalogue, which includes folk, rock, jazz, big-band, worldbeat and orchestral music. There were plenty of minutiae: one 45-minute panel discussion focused exclusively on the 1971 song The Last Time I Saw Richard, with speaker Daniel Sonenberg noting that he had no time to address the song's piano intro. But the academic approach worked for David Ryshpan, a third-year jazz piano performance student at McGill, who said he knew the hits through his parents, but truly discovered Mitchell when he embraced jazz. Ryshpan wrote a big-band arrangement of Mitchell's A Case of You, which was played at last night's ceremonies by the McGill Music Faculty Jazz Orchestra 1, among other tributes arranged by McGill students, with Mitchell listening. "To have my complete deconstruction of a Joni Mitchell tune played for Joni Mitchell is a tremendous honour," Ryshpan said. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:02:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Dr Joni in La Presse de Montreal Here are tow articles from La Presse de Montreal today. Right below this para is a link to their website (there are pics which I've saved but can't attach to smoe e-mails). Following this is my translation of the articles, and then text in French of the articles. I really didn't understand how to translate the last sentence in the 2nd article. It didn't make a great deal of sense to me in French, much less in English. http://www.cyberpresse.ca/arts/article/1,144,163,102004,827031.shtml - ----------------------------------------------------- Honorary doctorate, living body! by Alain Brunet La Presse We knew she was on her way to Montreal, and that McGill University's Faculty of Music was going to grant her an honorary doctorate last night. But the physical presence of Joni Mitchell at the colloquium dedicated to her all day (Exploring the art and music of Joni Mitchell, to use the event's official title) was never a sure thing. To the great pleasure of her fans and analysts, the great lady made an appearance around 4:00 p.m., climbing the stairs of the Redpath Room as cameras and microphones swarmed around her. There was a scrum as might be expected. This practice of political reporters seemed to amuse the 60ish Mitchell, who hadn't made a public appearance in Montreal in 30 years. She took the time to greet friends who had come to meet her, took off her trench cooat to reveal an outfit in shades of red with equally bright shoes. There might have been a halo around the genial songwriter and visual artist. Less preoccupied with the artistic reasons for her Montreal stopover, media generalists soon started questioning Joni Mitchell about American politics, since she has lived mainly in the US since the 60s. Generous and smiling, the Canadian-born, California-dwelling Mitchell could not be prevailed upon to sum up her position on the situation in the land of Uncle George W. - -------------------------------------------- A day to study Joni Mitchell by Alain Brunet La Presse All the greats praise her, from Prince to PJ Harvey, and on to Tori Amos, Sarah McLachlan, Joan Armatrading and Me'Shell Ndegecello. So many music lovers consider her to be a super talent, if not the most influential of female songwriters. There are so many reasons that lead the Faculty of Music of McGill University to dedicate an entire day to her, at the end of which they granted her an honorary doctorate. Don McLean, Faculty Dean, talked about the process. "We took these steps because popular music is now a great part of our field of studies. Through some privileged contacts, I was finally able to meet Joni Mitchell in Los Angeles. When I submitted our project to her, she was delighted, but also curious about the fact that we were interested in the relationship between her writing, her music and her painting. She didn't accept the invitation right away though. After a lot of hesitation and many phone conversations, she finally accepted." And so it was that yesterday a learned group reflected on the work of this artist who hails originally from the Prairies. For Jennifer Rycenga, from the State University of San Jose, the artist is an unstoppable force in the advancement of the female condition. Even though Mitchell has always rejected the label "feminist" and doesn't associate herself with its movements, her writings are nonetheless progressive. "Those that say she was one of the pioneers of the engaged song are no less important than those that demonized Yoko Ono." ( or maybe it's "Those who claim she buried the committed song are as relevant as those who demonized Yoko Ono.") JONI MITCHELL Docteur honorifique, corpus vivant! Alain Brunet La Presse On savait qu'elle itait de passage ` Montrial, que la faculti de musique de l'Universiti McGill allait lui dicerner hier soir un doctorat honoris causa. Mais la prisence physique de Joni Mitchell au colloque lui itant consacri la journie durant (Explorer l'art et la musique de Joni Mitchell, pour reprendre le titre officiel de l'ivinement) n'avait rien de certain. Au grand plaisir de ses fans et analystes, la grande dame a fait son apparition aux alentours de 16 h, gravit les escaliers de la salle Redpath pendant que les camiras et les micros se ruaient sur leur sujet. Scrum en bonne et due forme! Cette pratique de reporters politiques, peu courante dans la pop culture, a sembli amuser la sexaginaire, qui n'avait pas fait d'apparition publique ` Montrial depuis trois dicennies. Elle a pris le temps de faire l'accolade ` des amis venus ` sa rencontre, a retiri son trench et divoili des vjtements rouges assortis ` des souliers aussi voyants. On ne parle pas du halo enveloppant la giniale songwriter et artiste visuelle. Moins prioccupis pas la dimension artistique de son escale montrialaise, les midias giniralistes auront ttt fait de questionner Joni Mitchell sur la politique amiricaine, puisqu'elle riside (principalement) aux Itats-Unis depuis les annies 60. Ginireuse et souriante, la Canadienne itablie en Californie ne se fera pas prier pour risumer sa position sur la conjoncture au pays de l'oncle George W. - ------------------------------------------------------- Une journie ` scruter Joni Mitchell Alain Brunet La Presse Tant de grands s'en riclament, de Prince ` PJ Harvey en passant par Tori Amos, Sarah McLachlan, Joan Armartrading ou Me'Shell Ndegecello. Tant de milomanes la considhrent surdouie, voire la plus diterminante des songwriters au fiminin. Voil` autant de raisons ayant conduit la faculti de musique de l'Universiti McGill ` lui consacrer hier une journie entihre, au terme de laquelle on lui a remis un doctorat honorifique. Don McLean, doyen de la faculti, raconte le processus. +Nous avons entrepris les dimarches parce que la musique populaire fait disormais partie de notre champ d'itudes. Par l'intermidiaire de contacts priviligiis, j'ai finalement pu rencontrer Joni Mitchell ` Los Angeles. Lorsque je lui ai soumis notre projet, elle s'est montrie ravie, igalement curieuse du fait que nous nous intiressions ` la relation entre son icriture, sa musique et sa peinture. Elle n'a toutefois pas accepti l'invitation d'emblie. Au bout de nombreuses hisitations ponctuies par de nombreuses conversations tiliphoniques, elle a finalement accepti.; Ainsi donc, un ariopage d'universitaires riflichissait hier sur l'oeuvre de l'artiste originaire des Prairies. Pour Jennifer Rycenga, de l'Universiti d'Itat de San Jose, l'artiste est un moteur incontournable de l'avancement de la condition des femmes. Mjme si Mitchell a toujours refusi de s'itiqueter fiministe ou de s'associer aux mouvements progressistes ayant imailli son existence, l'engagement de ses textes n'en demeure pas moins progressiste. +Ceux qui affirment qu'elle fut parmi les fossoyeurs de la chanson engagie sont aussi peu pertinents que ceux qui ont diabolisi Yoko Ono.; - ------------------------------------------------------- ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:08:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Dr Joni Montreal Gazette http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/arts/story.html?id=7215fa1c-568f-43ca-b938-5e8bffbcb9c2&page=1 A doctor's advice: After receiving her honorary Doctor of Music degree last night, Joni Mitchell urged McGill University music students not to ignore emotion in favour of intellect BERNARD PERUSSE The Gazette October 28, 2004 CREDIT: DAVE SIDAWAY, THE GAZETTE Joni Mitchell was awarded an honorary Doctor of Music degree in a ceremony last night at McGill University's Pollack Hall. Finally, there's a good reason for Joni Mitchell's friends to shake their heads and say she's changed: she's Dr. Mitchell now. Breaking from the solemnity of McGill University's convocation ceremony, where she was awarded an honorary Doctor of Music degree last night, the legendary singer-songwriter adopted a Bugs Bunny voice and said, "From here on in, everybody will have to say, 'Eh, what's up, doc?' " Turning serious, Mitchell spent most of her brief speech urging the graduates of the music faculty to "think about balance in art," and not to ignore music's emotional side in favour of its intellectual content. "The music I like is a balance of opposites," she said. Earlier in the day, at a McGill symposium devoted to her art and music, Mitchell delighted fans by attending the event's closing round-table discussion at Redpath Hall. Meeting well-wishers and media before taking a seat in the front row, she addressed her reason for attending the ceremony: "It's recognition for my total work," she said. "That's why I'm here." Asked whether she likes to talk about her work, she said music is a way of conveying emotion directly. "To put it through the intellectual process does it a disservice, like translating from any language into another language. You lose something in the translation," she said. During the round-table event, performance artist John Kelly, playing a tape of himself doing an impression of the singer, looked down at Mitchell and said, "This is so surreal," drawing hearty laughter from the honouree. She was also visibly delighted by Village Voice critic Greg Tate's reading of his humorous piece How Black Is Joni Mitchell? At times, the singer offered comments from her seat, at one point reminiscing about the genesis of Mingus, her 1979 collaboration with jazz giant Charles Mingus, who died before the album was completed. "The first thing he said was, 'You that skinny-ass folk singer,' " Mitchell said. He then informed her that the strings on Paprika Plains were out of tune, she said, and a friendship was born. While talking about a Starbucks compilation she recently put together, Mitchell threw in an impression of Bob Dylan singing Positively 4th Street - a track that didn't make her cut. She also talked about her early days as a folksinger. "The music that I loved was very far away from what I was making," she said. "I had a black sense of feel. When I finally did get a band to play my music, it was a jazz band. Then I went into a minority camp, and eventually I lost my airplay. After working with Mingus, I never got played on the radio, but that was a necessary part of my education." If there was a recurring theme at the symposium, it was the impossibility of pigeonholing Mitchell's catalogue, which includes folk, rock, jazz, big-band, worldbeat and orchestral music. There were plenty of minutiae: one 45-minute panel discussion focused exclusively on the 1971 song The Last Time I Saw Richard, with speaker Daniel Sonenberg noting that he had no time to address the song's piano intro. But the academic approach worked for David Ryshpan, a third-year jazz piano performance student at McGill, who said he knew the hits through his parents, but truly discovered Mitchell when he embraced jazz. Ryshpan wrote a big-band arrangement of Mitchell's A Case of You, which was played at last night's ceremonies by the McGill Music Faculty Jazz Orchestra 1, among other tributes arranged by McGill students, with Mitchell listening. "To have my complete deconstruction of a Joni Mitchell tune played for Joni Mitchell is a tremendous honour," Ryshpan said. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:47:54 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC **I guess I'm happy for any of you who "are" your job - that kind of intimacy with one's work I guess must be a good thing. But I can't relate. I'm with you, Em...which is why I haven't responded to this thread, I suppose. Who I am now is Bob Muller, age 47 - who I used to be is the same guy, just younger. It's funny because I was shooting the breeze with a guy at work who gave me some Pink Floyd CD's to burn on my hard drive at work, and I was talking to him about my passion for music, and said that "I guess I'm not going to grow out of that"...I could also define myself as a father, a husband - both things I wasn't at one point. I consider myself a good friend and that's always been the case I think, at least I hope so. I consider myself a "believer in the teachings of Jesus Christ", which is NOT the same as defining myself as a "Christian"...so maybe that's the biggest "who I used to be & who I am" transition. But work? Naw. Making a living and making a life are two different things for me. Bob, very excited for all you Bosox fans - I watched all those games too. NP: Lots & lots of stars, "People Have The Power" 10/13/04 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:11:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Subject: Joni photos Joni photos Here are some pics of Joni from the National Post, La Presse de Montreal and the Montreal Gazette, today http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/anima_rising/album?.dir=/8775&.src=ph&.tok=phbOC.BBIxXZQEBF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:18:25 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Whoooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the mooon andJohn Peel (njc) Sorry but I disagree. As to where was England or any other country, as far as I know they did not have any teams in Major League Baseball the last time I checked, with the exception of Canada which now is home to only one team, the Toronto Bluejays who won the world series twice in the early nineties. The Montreal Expos have relocated to Washington DC, formerly the home of the Washington Senators who became the team now known as the Texas Rangers. There are many countries represented in MLB including Pedro Martinez of the Boston Red Sox, from the Dominican Republic. Jose Contreras of the New York Yankees was reunited with his family this year after they made a daring escape from Cuba, 18 months after he defected and joined the team. link: http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/205554p-177424c.html I'm not sure how many different countries are represented in baseball here but it would be interesting to find out. Another player, Matsui of the Yankees played in this years world series and his every move was covered by a dozen or so journalists from Japan. Frankly I think reading arrogance and negativity into things is where there is none is just propogating negativity. Let the Boston Red Sox enjoy their championship and leave politics out of it. I love the game of baseball and as far as I am concerned the Boston Red Sox are the World Champions. I'm glad to be an American and am glad I was able to witness what is the greatest comeback in American sports history. And associating an incredible accomplishment by a great team with the twin towers tragedy whether directly or indirectly is insulting. It is now a seventh inning tradition to have someone sing "God Bless America" and I am glad that servicemen and women overseas are being thought of and acknowledged. James Taylor singing the national anthem on his guitar at Fenway Park was one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard. Anyway, I thouroughly enjoyed the baseball playoffs this year and refuse to listen to any of this negativity. Actually, in Japan, Matsui is a sports superstar....hence all the coverage. And some MLB baseball players play winter ball in other countries. So to sum it up, this "I'm better than everyone else" talk is a bunch of garbage. Victor, enjoying this night, celebrating the Boston Red Sox WORLD series Championship. Get over it............. > Hi Lucy > Sorry to say, it's just more of our damned American vanity and > arrogance. Surely our teams are best in the world. Right? > It's the kind of arrogance that when it festers long enough in the > wrong toad-squirming brain - gets us airliners crashing into our twin > towers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:54:31 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: who are we now and who we used to be NJC Em wrote: > I guess what's freaking me about with this thread is how most people > are giving their J-O-B as "who they are". > I guess I'm happy for any of you who "are" your job - that kind of > intimacy with one's work I guess must be a good thing. > But I can't relate. I am a child of the Universe. I don't know what I was before that. 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