From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #434 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 25 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 434 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Inside I'm Dancing NJC [Garret ] NJC Re: NJC Who wants to chat? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: icarus ascending ... some joni within the wailin' jennys ten mile stilts [SCJoniGuy@] NJC Re: integrity njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] New foolproof Florida Ballot, NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: integrity njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: integrity njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Nellie McKay NJC ["Azeem" ] travelogue? ["mackoliver" ] Re: travelogue? ["Mark or Travis" ] vol 1 of Dylan's auto-bio, njc [] Re: icarus ascending ... some joni within the wailin' jennys ten mile stilts [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: NJC Re: integrity njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: NJC Re: integrity njc ["Sherelle Smith" ] The Dana Owens Album njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: travelogue? [Mike Friedman ] bonne fete a Mags [mags h ] Re: bonne fete a Mags njc because y'know... [Catherine McKay Subject: Inside I'm Dancing NJC Has anyone seen this wonderful movie? I'm not sure if it has international release or is just in Ireland. I really hope it gets some recognition. It's a funny and slightly upsetting story to two guys in wheelchairs, one with muscular dystrophy and one with cerebral palsy. I had expected something different from it. I was thinking of Hollywood and it's fascination with casting well known actors as disabled (or, indeed and perhaps rather, mentally ill) and then praising them to high heaven for their achievements. This was unlike any bigtime Hollywood movie (surely a good thing!). Cathct it if you can, it is worth it. I work with people with disabilities (currently working with people with brain injuries actually) and it was with one of these clients that i went. We both enjoyed it a lot. GARRET NP- Bob Marley and the Wailers, Buffalo Soldier (why did i never realise before that these guys are f***ing brilliant??) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:12:31 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: NJC Who wants to chat? **Ain't nobody in there. How about having a scheduled chat sometime?** I'm all for that Laura - we've done it before with great success, a pretty good crowd. But I'm not the king of the chatroom, so if there's a good time for you (maybe a Sunday PM timeslot?), suggest and it and there you go! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:20:29 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: icarus ascending ... some joni within the wailin' jennys ten mile stilts **Hi Mags, I guess she used it because Icarus was another Amelia. Or, Amelia was another Icarus. Both flew too close to the sun, both wiped out and were unable to continue the dream.** That's pretty much my take on it as well...like Joni says, both had dreams to fly and to do things that they were told they couldn't/shouldn't do. And of course Joni herself completes the triad. As for Icarus, he also is the subject of a great rocker by Kansas, "Icarus-Borne On Wings Of Steel" and another of my faves, Ms. Ani Difranco, almosts lifts Joni's line entirely in her song "Icarus": "it's just like Icarus ascending never intending to look back nature's law and your tragic flaw I find descending flying into the arms of a Venus flytrap" Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:31:33 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: NJC Re: integrity njc Hi Bob, Everything you are saying is so, so very true. I left the chruch as well and it was one of the saddest, hardest, things I've ever had to do. It's lonely and sometimes you second-guess yourself, but you keep going because you know you are doing the right thing. Unfortunately, my worst enemies and those who have hurt me most have come from within the church. My heart breaks because it's like everyone is playing church and missing the point. Everyone seems to be so blind and those that do speak out are villified. it's a bit scary when you think about it. Time and distance also played a part in me walking away so I didn't face the extreme criticism that you did at the time I left. I applaud you for standing up for what you believe and daring to say so to others. Someone sent me a thought that is very relavent; being a Christian should not be an occasion to be haughty and proud. Moreover, it is a humbling experience because you are acknowledging to yourself and to the world that you cannot do it alone; that you have have shortcomings and weaknesses which you require Someone other than yourself to help you cope with them. Somehow, to me, it's gotten all mixed up. Sherelle (At work on a Sunday, reeling from deceit and daggers thrown by someone she trusted in the Christian community) Bob wrote: Thanks for the support, Colin...it's sort of ironic, actually - leaving the church to me is consistent with following the teachings of Christ. Repeatedly he took a firm stand against the Pharisees who had lost the message of love & compassion, and protested the church being turned into a money-making bazaar and center for prejudice & hatred. From the way I see it, this thing has come full circle. It's too complex for most of the sheeple in my church to ever comprehend, but it's BECAUSE I believe in what Jesus preaches in his Sermon On The Mount that I can't stay. But it's not easy - America runs on herd mentality and peer pressure and conformity and fitting in, and withdrawing from church can be risky business socially and in one's community, particularly when one is vocal about it. I could just stop going and keep my thoughts to myself, but it has to do with that integrity thing you speak of. As for my son, you're right about my love for him. Frankly I don't think I could carry on if something was to happen to him; I really don't know and it's not something I can allow myself to think about. Bob NP: Joni, "Dog Eat Dog" _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:49:34 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: New foolproof Florida Ballot, NJC Subject: New foolproof Florida Ballot http://wearabledissent.com/101/floridavote.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:11:31 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: integrity njc **My heart breaks because it's like everyone is playing church and missing the point.** Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts, Sherelle...I have a crick in my neck from nodding my head in exact agreement with what you say. It is very sad. And what makes it tougher is that people think that I've quit because my son is now off at college - it's simply not true. I guess they may think that it's purely political, again simply not true as I think there are probably other democrats (maybe? in a congregation of 2500 I would hope so but not sure). Consider these facts: - - A choir member who was diagnosed with AIDS was asked to leave the church (of course this was all done in secrecy); - - We have a huge parking lot that also borders a Presbyterian Church (competition for God I guess?), and about this time last year the Board of Trustees decided to block off the entrances so that only OUR Church could use it. What was so funny was that the 'blocks' were only yellow warning tapes - I would drive through them on Sunday and pull them down. What was even funnier is that the retired judge who leads the Board parks ILLEGALLY in the NO PARKING ANYTIME lane right in front of the church; - - Staff members have been dismissed without explanation - - No investment is made in our youth program, rather we keep authorizing new construction projects, building monuments to ourselves...of course the architects, engineers, and construction companies are all church members. OK, I'm boring everyone so I'll stop...but add all of this local stuff to what's happening in the nation with politics & religion holding hands and it's more than I can take. Sherelle - the GOOD news is that we're not alone - as you say, once people begin to speak up a movement has begun, and indeed many of us who have grown tired of "playing church" as a substitute for something real are working toward s something that is. I have been encouraged by several websites that exist to put forth the notion that Christians should be first & foremost interested in peace. It's naive to think that we'll have any success against the money, power and glory that is organized religion, but at least we have the knowledge that we are being honest to our beliefs. Thanks again for your thoughts, Bob NP: Roger Saint-Denis & Dan Gibson, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:35:37 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC Re: integrity njc SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > OK, I'm boring everyone so I'll stop...but add all of this local > stuff to > what's happening in the nation with politics & religion holding > hands and it's more than I can take. > As I was reading this post, the thought that came to my mind was 'Gee, this church sounds like the U S government'. Kudos to you, Bob, for acting on your conscience. Hypocrisy was one of the main things that turned me off to organized religion. Not to knock anybody that has a sincere belief in a religious faith and really tries to live by their beliefs. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:09:40 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: Nellie McKay NJC I wrote: << **I've been listening to Nellie McKay's new album, Get Away From Me. Wow! >> And Bob responded: <> Well, it only came out over here a month or two ago - I didnt know it had been around for that long over there. The album works brilliantly on shuffle (on I-pod or I-Poor), as its very eclecticism makes it quite hard to assimilate at one sitting. Maybe thats why she split it into two sides, to give people a break! Like Richard Thompsons fantastic You?Me?Us? it certainly doesnt *need* to be two CDs Azeem in London NP: Carmel - God Put Your Hand On Me (somehow apt, given the ongoing religious discussion) - --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004 - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.778 / Virus Database: 525 - Release Date: 15/10/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:59:30 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: travelogue? I didn't buy this album when it came out. Why? I have never been fond of remakes of tunes already out and the negative reviews that I read about it. Now, after downloading hundreds of songs from MusicNow and hearing them randomly I am getting to sample the tunes on Travelogue. I know there has been writings comparing the different voices of Joni over the years. Yes, her voice was magnificient when young but for me I much prefer the older, wiser, gravelly version. And who was it that inferred this woman could not sing anymore? Now, to me, instead of just putting forth the words she puts so much feeling into each word. So much wiser now and the thoughts she portrays through her tunes are truly exquisite. My love affair with her continues and the love grows stronger every day. Now, must travel back and get the entire album. A day I will make of it. Yum. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:37:16 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: travelogue? mackoliver wrote: > I didn't buy this album when it came out. Why? I have never been > fond of remakes of tunes already out and the negative reviews that I > read about it. Now, after downloading hundreds of songs from MusicNow > and hearing them randomly I am getting to sample the tunes on > Travelogue. I know there has been writings comparing the different > voices of Joni over the years. Yes, her voice was magnificient when > young but for me I much prefer the older, wiser, gravelly version. > And who was it that inferred this woman could not sing anymore? Now, > to me, instead of just putting forth the words she puts so much > feeling into each word. So much wiser now and the thoughts she > portrays through her tunes are truly exquisite. My love affair with > her continues and the love grows stronger every day. Now, must > travel back and get the entire album. A day I will make of it. Yum. Good for you, Mack! I've said all along that Travelogue is a rethinking, not a rehash. Her voice and maturity really bring added depth to the songs. It's a worthy effort that does not deserve being trashed and dismissed. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:15:10 -0400 From: Subject: vol 1 of Dylan's auto-bio, njc I found Bob Dylan's autobiography in a hard cover (1st edition) at B&N yesterday for 30% off so I bought it. He writes a bit more like Damon Runyon than Jack Kerouac. As one would expect, he is a good storyteller. The book is not told in a straight-forward chronological order; sometimes he changes location, topic, and time without any transitions between paragraphs. The publisher didn't mark the shifts in any way either so it's a bit jarring. Clearly he hates to grant interviews so it's pretty cool that he found a way to tell these stories, his way. I won't re-tell all of his stories but here are 2 tidbits: Dave von Ronk figures significantly in Dylan's first season in New York City. Dylan had an idea that he was locked out of certain opportunities because he didn't come from old money. I guess when he found out that John Hammond's wife was a Vanderbilt, it might have meant a bit more to him that Hammond offered him a place on the roster at Columbia. He said he felt that destiny was looking right at him and no one else. I read forty pages last night. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:36:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: icarus ascending ... some joni within the wailin' jennys ten mile stilts I think it's worth taking notice to the use of the word "arms" in the song. While the reason for Icarus falling from the sky and crashing into the sea was his "beautiful foolish arms" - Joni's refuge from the skies ("looking down on everything") was to "Crash into his arms". Nuriel mags h wrote: Listening to the Wailin' Jennys song Ten Mile Stilts , on their 40 Days CD; there's a reference to Icarus which transports me of Joni's reference to Icarus ascending which leads me to wondering why Joni uses this image, powerful one at that...thoughts? Yes, no doubt it's in the jmdl library, however, I'm trying to stoke the fires a little here on this chilly day in Winterpeg ;-) as for the Icarus reference in Ten Mile Stilts lyrics please see: http://www.thewailinjennys.com/music.aspx#ten written and sung by Nicky Mehta....her guitar playing style and voice reminds me so much of our Claudia...amazing. Heartwarming. for those of you who were at Fest this year in the Catskills, this is the same album that holds the song Arlington, which Claudia sang for Mary Grace . Another gorgeous one. love, Mags np: Beautiful Dawn , from the Wailin' Jennys 40 Days (thanks to Claudia ;-))) Imagne you're a girl on ten mile stilts You trave Imagne you're a girl on ten mile stilts You travel round the world, taking it all in You'll never touch the ground Is it a blessing or a curse And if you're too high to be found Are you lost or just rehearsed Got a heart that opens clear in this cool September dark It rests on treetop leaves And bursts its little sparks And sometimes it sings its songs And it lets its secrets out Except for one that sears inside That it cannot live without But if I tell you wil you take it Will you shine it up to me Can you be strong to let me go on And set this freedom free The stars are out tonight Up here they're ripe to hold But I have learned what comes to those who get too close I'm no Icarus in flight And I'm old enough to know That love is patient, but still unyielding If you leave it long enough it lets you go But if I tell you wil you take it Will you shine it up to me Can you be strong to let me go on And set this freedom free top of page l round the world, taking it all in You'll never touch the ground Is it a blessing or a curse And if you're too high to be found Are you lost or just rehearsed Got a heart that opens clear in this cool September dark It rests on treetop leaves And bursts its little sparks And sometimes it sings its songs And it lets its secrets out Except for one that sears inside That it cannot live without But if I tell you wil you take it Will you shine it up to me Can you be strong to let me go on And set this freedom free The stars are out tonight Up here they're ripe to hold But I have learned what comes to those who get too close I'm no Icarus in flight And I'm old enough to know That love is patient, but still unyielding If you leave it long enough it lets you go But if I tell you wil you take it Will you shine it up to me Can you be strong to let me go on And set this freedom free if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:51:02 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Kerry hunting bfd njc >Wanting to know what the fuss was about and wanting to fit in I took it. They pointed out a sparrow on a pole. I shot at it and hit it, oddly enough. My heart sank. I had never felt so terrible. How could I have done that?< I felt that way when I went fishing & actually caught a fish. The poor beautiful creature gasping for breath with such huge gorgeous eyes & a hook in its side. I was horrified & burst out crying. And never did it again. Kate, a Pisces ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:56:03 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: NJC Re: integrity njc No Bob, I have to thank you! I can't tell you how encouraging your email is. I thought I was taking crazy pills for a while! I can let out a big sigh of relief now and know that maybe I'm not so crazy after all. Thank you again Bob! You've made my day. Love, Sherelle >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: NJC Re: integrity njc >Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:11:31 EDT > > >**My heart breaks because >it's like everyone is playing church and missing the point.** > > >Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts, Sherelle...I have a crick in my >neck from nodding my head in exact agreement with what you say. It is very >sad. >And what makes it tougher is that people think that I've quit because my >son >is now off at college - it's simply not true. I guess they may think that >it's purely political, again simply not true as I think there are probably >other democrats (maybe? in a congregation of 2500 I would hope so but not >sure). >Consider these facts: > >- A choir member who was diagnosed with AIDS was asked to leave the church >(of course this was all done in secrecy); >- We have a huge parking lot that also borders a Presbyterian Church >(competition for God I guess?), and about this time last year the Board of >Trustees >decided to block off the entrances so that only OUR Church could use it. >What >was so funny was that the 'blocks' were only yellow warning tapes - I >would >drive through them on Sunday and pull them down. What was even funnier is >that the retired judge who leads the Board parks ILLEGALLY in the NO >PARKING >ANYTIME lane right in front of the church; >- Staff members have been dismissed without explanation >- No investment is made in our youth program, rather we keep authorizing >new >construction projects, building monuments to ourselves...of course the >architects, engineers, and construction companies are all church members. > >OK, I'm boring everyone so I'll stop...but add all of this local stuff to >what's happening in the nation with politics & religion holding hands and >it's >more than I can take. > >Sherelle - the GOOD news is that we're not alone - as you say, once people >begin to speak up a movement has begun, and indeed many of us who have >grown >tired of "playing church" as a substitute for something real are working >toward >s something that is. I have been encouraged by several websites that exist >to put forth the notion that Christians should be first & foremost >interested >in peace. It's naive to think that we'll have any success against the >money, >power and glory that is organized religion, but at least we have the >knowledge that we are being honest to our beliefs. > >Thanks again for your thoughts, >Bob > >NP: Roger Saint-Denis & Dan Gibson, "Both Sides Now" _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:58:27 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: NJC Re: integrity njc Hi Mark! I just wanted to jump in and say how important the truth is. I think the saddest part is that truth in its essence has been forgotten. Love, Sherelle NP-Enough to be on your way-James Taylor >From: "Mark or Travis" >To: , >CC: >Subject: Re: NJC Re: integrity njc >Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:35:37 -0700 > >SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >> >>OK, I'm boring everyone so I'll stop...but add all of this local >>stuff to >>what's happening in the nation with politics & religion holding >>hands and it's more than I can take. >> > >As I was reading this post, the thought that came to my mind was 'Gee, this >church sounds like the U S government'. > >Kudos to you, Bob, for acting on your conscience. Hypocrisy was one of the >main things that turned me off to organized religion. Not to knock anybody >that has a sincere belief in a religious faith and really tries to live by >their beliefs. > >Mark E. in Seattle > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:41:24 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: The Dana Owens Album njc Has anyone else picked up Queen Latifah's latest? What a wonderful voice this woman has! This is a beautiful record. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:18:19 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: travelogue? I really enjoyed Joni's discussion of both of these issues on the Fresh Air interview. She sort of poo-poohed her own high soprano of the long ago past. Personally, I'm a big fan of later voices rather than earlier ones. Sarah Vaughan was one who's voice only got richer and more glorious as the years went on. My big problem with Travelogue is that some of the arrangements are a bit overdone, but Joni's voice sounds great, if rough sometimes. On Oct 24, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Mark or Travis wrote: > mackoliver wrote: >> I didn't buy this album when it came out. Why? I have never been >> fond of remakes of tunes already out and the negative reviews that I >> read about it. Now, after downloading hundreds of songs from MusicNow >> and hearing them randomly I am getting to sample the tunes on >> Travelogue. I know there has been writings comparing the different >> voices of Joni over the years. Yes, her voice was magnificient when >> young but for me I much prefer the older, wiser, gravelly version. >> And who was it that inferred this woman could not sing anymore? Now, >> to me, instead of just putting forth the words she puts so much >> feeling into each word. So much wiser now and the thoughts she >> portrays through her tunes are truly exquisite. My love affair with >> her continues and the love grows stronger every day. Now, must >> travel back and get the entire album. A day I will make of it. Yum. > > Good for you, Mack! I've said all along that Travelogue is a > rethinking, not a rehash. Her voice and maturity really bring added > depth to the songs. It's a worthy effort that does not deserve being > trashed and dismissed. > > Mark E. in Seattle > ========================================= "No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up." - -- Lily Tomlin from "The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe" Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: bonne fete a Mags stomp stomp pout pout okay fine WahWah Wallistah bro....you've fallen into a deep sleep and just havent noticed..... today is the day.... alas and alack...then I will help you out...... oh nevermind...Ive heard that birthday queens can do as they darn well please, so it pleases me to chime in and tell you all it's my birthday today...I love my birthday...it's so fine to celebrate another year of this wonderful life! I've had the most amazing day ...celebrations all round....and so in the tradition of the aforementioned birthday queen herself, I wanted to send you a poem to honour this day, and the friendships Ive made in this wonderful Joni land.... ***** A supreme love, a motive that gives a sublime rhythm to a woman's life, and exalts habit into partnership with the soul's highest needs is not to be had where and how she wills; to know that high initiation, she must often tread where it is hard to tread, and feel the chill air, and watch through darkness. It is not true that love makes all things easy; it makes us choose what is difficult. George Eliot ***** love, Mags np: Sweetest Thing, U2 if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:06:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bonne fete a Mags njc because y'know... --- mags h wrote: > stomp stomp pout pout okay fine WahWah Wallistah > bro....you've fallen into a deep sleep and just > havent noticed..... today is the day.... alas and > alack...then I will help you out...... > > oh nevermind...Ive heard that birthday queens can do > as they darn well please, so it pleases me to chime > in and tell you all it's my birthday today...I love > my birthday...it's so fine to celebrate another year > of this wonderful life! > ***H*A*P*P*Y * B*I*R*T*H*D*A*Y * M*A*G*S!!!*** May the coming year bring you great joy! Bonne fete a toi, bonne fete a toi, Bonne fete, chere Mags, Bonne fete a toi! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:11:00 -0700 From: frasere@intergate.ca Subject: Mags njc well..... since the birthday fairy is asleep at the wheel..... I wish to extend the happiest of Birthdays to my dear sister Mags... Hope it was wonderful, and filled with joy and love. Happy Birthday Mags! know I love you Best, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:18:52 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 25 On October 25 the following articles were published: 1994: "Joni Mitchell Interview" - KCSA-FM (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=883 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - New Jersey Star-Ledger (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=207 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #434 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)