From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #433 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, October 24 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 433 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC Re: integrity njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: JoniFest - who's not gonna be there? ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2004 #431 ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2004 #431 ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc ["mike pritchard" ] Re: NJC Re: integrity njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc, mcg [Smurfycopy@aol.com] icarus ascending ... some joni within the wailin' jennys ten mile stilts [mags h ] Re: icarus ascending ... some joni within the wailin' jennys ten mile stilts [mags h ] Re: NJC Who wants to chat? [LCStanley7@aol.com] Kerry hunting bfd njc ["Kate Bennett" ] List of Appearances [] Re: Kerry hunting bfd njc [colin ] Re: NJC - This is TRULY scary ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: Kerry hunting geese, njc [] Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc, short [] How Many Lightbulbs? NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: icarus ascending ... some joni within the wailin' jennys ten mile stilts [Em ] Jane Siberry's Satanic Pullet Surpise (njc) [Justalittlebreen@aol.com] Check out "Florida Election Ballot" (6969) (njc) [Justalittlebreen@aol.co] Re: Kerry hunting bfd njc [vince ] Re: Subject: Kerry hunting geese, njc ["Mark or Travis" Subject: NJC Re: integrity njc >But it's not easy - America runs on herd mentality and peer pressure and conformity and fitting in, and withdrawing from church can be risky business socially and in one's community, particularly when one is vocal about it. I could just stop going and keep my thoughts to myself, but it has to do with that integrity thing you speak of. < I wanted to chime in also on how much integrity & bravery you are living right now bob! I also want to say that I have lived my life going against the herd mentality (maybe easier as first a northeast girl, then a California girl) but there are many many many folks who are not sheeples... You inspire me bob! At some point in the last year or so I promised myself I would speak out my truth (my truth) whenever I felt so inspired... interesting to watch myself take these chances in situations that to me seem quite precarious (like playing an anti iraq war song to a crowd of possibly bush supporters with beer bottles in hand (!)or watching myself speaking my opinion on the recent debates in my NEW job where I do not know exactly how everyone leans politically... So far I have not been injured & still have my job... :~} though I realize the chance that people in my world are liberal leaning is far far far more realistic than in your bible belt buckle! (what a great metaphor!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:16:12 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc > This thing about John Kerry going out and hunting geese 11 days before the > election is pathetic. > A photo op. > > Does he have time to go hunting? I do not relate to people who hunt animals for sport (to put it mildly)... I do think that no matter what your job is you must make time for doing the things that give you pleasure, relief...whatever... is it a photo op? if it is politics & an election well I would say most definitely... duhIt's a dirty hateful game & those who play it are not our best... I have always hated politics but find at times I must get immersed in when so much is at stake... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:18:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: JoniFest - who's not gonna be there? >once i translated some Joni lyrics to her, and she said: "SHE tells ME about HER troubles?!"> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:41:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: JoniFest - who's not gonna be there? Great idea, Dear Em! Laurent will never forgive us for claiming God is ours!:) But by now i understand that Paz is starting yet another Jonifest, so you see, my dear, we can simply lay back, relax, and watch this JoniFest reality-show without moving one finger - our revenge is been taken care of by others!:))) xxx Nuriel Em wrote: - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > First, i wanna say that i envy anyone who's gonna be there (Laurent, > you have no idea what you've got yourself into, he he:::))), and i > wish you all the best of times. > > Now - > Who's not going to France and how are we take revenge in those who > will? Hi Nuriel, I think the chances are slim that I will be going. So with that in mind, for revenge, I suggest that those who can't go, get together and secretly discuss loud and long and with great passion, the reasons why surely there must be a God. And all AGREE. And NOT tell Laurent! ;) Em ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 06:54:30 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: killer sofas revisited NJC in conclusion to a recent post, Bob Muller wrote: <<<, thinking that Kerry should have gone hunting with a killer sofa - now THAT would be impressive!>>> now moi.... Says it all, my friend, says it all... thanks for the morning laugh.... note to self, must refrain from drinking tea whilst reading clever mail from jmdlers... *splat* Mags np: One Voice, the wailing Jennys if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:31:19 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2004 #431 marianne> A photo op. brian>Very true. An attempted scam on the US electorate, in fact. you want to talk about photo ops? How about that declaration of victory with bush in faux airforce flight suit looking like he was out at sea (camera position) yet he was just off the coast of san diego & making the crew stay on board for his photo op when they wanted to get home to their families... & how many people since he made that declaration have died? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:33:48 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2004 #431 Oops sorry for the subject line slip! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:05:19 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc >>A "sport" is when two parties come together and 1. agree to play . . and 2. both sides have the same equipment.<< Hi Marianne, Given your definition above, you may be interested to know that Barcelona City Hall has recently declared itself the first (as far as I know) city in Spain to declare itself publicly and overtly to be anti-bullfighting. No action taken yet but at least it is a political act of potential importance. mike in barcelona PS Hold everything, my mistake, bullfighting is not sport, it's culture. How stupid of me. NP Songs for Drella Reed/Cale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:14:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: integrity njc **You inspire me bob! Well that's a result of things going around full circle, I suppose - I've been inspired by the many voices here. I'm happy to pass on a little bit of the inspiration I've received. Another nice fallout of being a church dropout is that I'm now able to contribute to other organizations charitably...things I always wanted to do but didn't have the resources to do. It's an exciting time. Bob NP: Earth, Wind & Fire, "Medley: Africano/Power" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:07:12 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc, mcg Mike writes: << NP Songs for Drella Reed/Cale >> One of my desert islanders for sure, yet an unknown masterpiece, I think, that gets little recognition anywhere. For those of you who don't know about it, "Songs for Drella" is a collaborative musical project by Lou Reed and John Cale that's dedicated to Andy Warhol. (Drella was apparently a nickname Andy had. It's a combination of Dracula and Cinderella.) This album is more than ten years old, so I am surprised that no one has turned it into a Broadway musical yet. Here's a sample of the lyrics: "I'll put the Empire State Building on your wall For 24 hours glowing on your wall Watch the sun rise above it in your room Wallpaper art, a great view" (From "Style It Takes") - --Smurf, who can never figure out why Jonilistas don't seem to care for way-post-Velvet Underground Lou Reed, whose lyrics over the last 15 years or so are often as nicely done as those of SWMBO ... I mean SIQUOMB. "I'm not just gay, pal, I am The Head of Frickin' New Jersey." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:24:12 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: icarus ascending ... some joni within the wailin' jennys ten mile stilts Listening to the Wailin' Jennys song Ten Mile Stilts , on their 40 Days CD; there's a reference to Icarus which transports me of Joni's reference to Icarus ascending which leads me to wondering why Joni uses this image, powerful one at that...thoughts? Yes, no doubt it's in the jmdl library, however, I'm trying to stoke the fires a little here on this chilly day in Winterpeg ;-) as for the Icarus reference in Ten Mile Stilts lyrics please see: http://www.thewailinjennys.com/music.aspx#ten written and sung by Nicky Mehta....her guitar playing style and voice reminds me so much of our Claudia...amazing. Heartwarming. for those of you who were at Fest this year in the Catskills, this is the same album that holds the song Arlington, which Claudia sang for Mary Grace . Another gorgeous one. love, Mags np: Beautiful Dawn , from the Wailin' Jennys 40 Days (thanks to Claudia ;-))) Imagne you're a girl on ten mile stilts You trave Imagne you're a girl on ten mile stilts You travel round the world, taking it all in You'll never touch the ground Is it a blessing or a curse And if you're too high to be found Are you lost or just rehearsed Got a heart that opens clear in this cool September dark It rests on treetop leaves And bursts its little sparks And sometimes it sings its songs And it lets its secrets out Except for one that sears inside That it cannot live without But if I tell you wil you take it Will you shine it up to me Can you be strong to let me go on And set this freedom free The stars are out tonight Up here they're ripe to hold But I have learned what comes to those who get too close I'm no Icarus in flight And I'm old enough to know That love is patient, but still unyielding If you leave it long enough it lets you go But if I tell you wil you take it Will you shine it up to me Can you be strong to let me go on And set this freedom free top of page l round the world, taking it all in You'll never touch the ground Is it a blessing or a curse And if you're too high to be found Are you lost or just rehearsed Got a heart that opens clear in this cool September dark It rests on treetop leaves And bursts its little sparks And sometimes it sings its songs And it lets its secrets out Except for one that sears inside That it cannot live without But if I tell you wil you take it Will you shine it up to me Can you be strong to let me go on And set this freedom free The stars are out tonight Up here they're ripe to hold But I have learned what comes to those who get too close I'm no Icarus in flight And I'm old enough to know That love is patient, but still unyielding If you leave it long enough it lets you go But if I tell you wil you take it Will you shine it up to me Can you be strong to let me go on And set this freedom free if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:27:02 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc Marianne wrote: This thing about John Kerry going out and hunting geese 11 days before the election is pathetic. A photo op. Does he have time to go hunting? He is appealing to some people with this demonstration while alienating others. I am losing respect for the guy. . . Hi Marianne, Haven't you not heard of what is going on environmentally as a result of the overpopulation of geese? I say bravo for Mr. Kerry! He is showing gun owners like myself that he is not anti-gun while being for level-headed gun control. And, he is showing that he cares for the environment, perhaps more than some people who burn wood stoves, contributing to global warming which is in part responsible for the overpopulation of geese... watch out for the EPA!!. Geese have become a threat to the tundra and other wildlife species, an epidemic of a sort with ill effects from which the environment is likely to be unable to recover and which will only grow worse if the geese population isn't decreased. Below is an article on the rather grave situation. I think Kerry is doing an excellent job as the days for the election draw near. The more I hear about him, the more impressed I am with him. Love, Laura Arctic Habitats Threatened by Snow Geese Overpopulation Problem There are too many snow geese! The lesser snow goose population has tripled over the past 20 years and continues to grow at a rate of five percent a year. It now stands at over 4.5 million breeding birds. The fragile sub-Arctic and Arctic coastal marsh ecosystem where they nest in the summer cannot sustain this many geese. A number of factors may have contributed to the rapid increase: a rich and plentiful diet of readily available agricultural crops such as rice, corn and winter wheat along the migratory routes boosted survival rates; past management decisions aimed at protecting the geese when populations were low worked extremely well - maybe too well; and climate change, especially in the Arctic, may have lessened the frequency of periodic breeding faliures. All of this has created a unique situation for wildlife managers. Traditional management calls for limits on hunting and harvests to protect a species. In this case, it has been necessary to encourage more harvest to prevent the geese from destroying the habitat they and species of shorebirds, passerines and ducks depend on for survival. Millions of snow geese are mining the fragile tundra in the central and eastern Arctic. The geese pull plants up by the roots to feed on them, stripping the ground bare. Along the coast of West Hudson Bay, it is estimated that nearly one third of the habitat has been destroyed while another third is seriously damaged. In Arctic climates, habitat recovers slowly, if at all. The geese are beginning to move inland in search of food and are now threatening freshwater marshes. This could have a serious, long-term impact on the entire coastal ecosystem, including the other wildlife species which depend on it. Not only are snow geese threatening the Arctic ecosystem, a number of the populations are showing signs of stress. Due to intense competition for food, thousands of goslings starve to death or die from disease. Some of those that survive the summer do not grow large enough to leave with their parents on the fall migration, and die with the onset of winter. Damage to agricultural crops is another consequence of increasing snow goose populations. Crops in swath are vulnerable to fall-migrating snow geese and crops like winter wheat can get damaged during both winter and spring migrations. Science-based Solutions The international Arctic Goose Joint Venture (AGJV) was established under the auspices of the North American Waterfowl Management Plan to coordinate and promote research and monitoring of Arctic-nesting geese. It created a continent-wide scientific working group to investigate the problem of overabundant snow goose populations and recommend solutions. The AGJV endorsed the recommendation that the wintering population be reduced to about 1.5 million birds. Government wildlife agencies in Canada and the U.S. have proposed and implemented several strategies to achieve this reduction. They include: A spring harvest has been held in some provinces, territories and states: A new Protocol to the Canada-U.S. Migratory Bird Convention Act allows special spring hunting seasons as a management option. Increased subsistence harvest by northern native communities. Sunday hunting; this is a matter of provincial jurisdiction. The use of electronic calls is now allowed in a number of jurisdictions to increase hunter success. The number, size and practices for refuges for snow geese is being examined to provide less protection. If the snow goose population remains high, more damage will occur and the effects on the Arctic ecosystem will be even more devastating. As habitat declines or disappears altogether, other species will also be affected. The Arctic ecosystem may not recover for generations, if at all. http://www.pnr-rpn.ec.gc.ca/nature/migratorybirds/dc00s10.en.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:29:18 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: sport, njc From Smurph: Marianne writes: << A "sport" is when two parties come together and 1. agree to play . . and 2. both sides have the same equipment. >> No, Marianne ... that's HOMOSEXUALITY. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Good one Smurf!!! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:38:15 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Smurph, njc Colin wrote in regard to Smurph's response to Marianne: Have you ever thought of making a career as a stand up? Oh my! If he did, there wouldn't be anybody able to stand up in the place! They would all be ROFL!!!! At the next fest we ought to have a Smurph night, featuring comedy. I'm still having fun with Derek's joke about the Oscelot... It's been a real hit at the med school. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:39:05 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: Kerry hunting bfd njc Once upon a time in my life when young, about 15, I accompanied my older brother and a friend to the town dump where we shot rats for fun. Actually, they shot the rats, I was the spotlighter. One day we went earlier than usual and the sun was still up. They offered me a shot of the 22. Wanting to know what the fuss was about and wanting to fit in I took it. They pointed out a sparrow on a pole. I shot at it and hit it, oddly enough. My heart sank. I had never felt so terrible. How could I have done that? Hunting is deplorable, one of the lowest forms of mans behavior, if not done for the purpose of food and survival, I feel. I, too, wants guns outlawed and find the gun lovers use of an amendment for their own personal pleasure equally deplorable as killing those poor animals. And it isn't a sport. The pics of those animals heads and carcasses with a grinning murderer in that section turns my stomach. mack From: "vince" To: "Brian Gross" Cc: "Cynthia Vickery" ; Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: Kerry hunting bfd njc > John Kerry is a life long hunter. > > I have no use for hunting. > > I went hunting once and it was all I expected. I detested it before I > went as well as after. > > I live in a state of hunters. We are now in pheasant season and bow > season for deer. Gun season for deer is always November 15th, a > Michigan holiday. If I were to despise hunters, I would have to include > many friends and family members. I have chosen to make no value > judgment on it. I oppose it, but it is intrinsic to the natures of many > and I accept the diversity of humanity there. > > I detest all handguns and want them banned. I own a handgun. I have > given money to every anti handgun group out there. I believe the Second > Amendment speaks to well regulated militias and not to the unregulated > uncontrolled use of firepower in the homes and streets and forests and > farms of America. My deputy sheriff cousin was killed by a handgun. If > the killer had not been able to steal a handgun, my cousin would not be > dead and his partner would not have been injured so badly. > > When guns are outlawed, the only guns criminal will use will be ones > that they steal from so-called law abiding folks who keep their guns in > defiance of the outlawing of guns. > > Iraqis have all kind of weapons. That sure preserved freedom there with > Saddam and has allowed the post Saddam era to be a tranquil place where > none have fear of violence. > > I saw the picture of Kerry hunting. Great looking lab in the picture! > Big deal. He was making a message that undercuts lock step NRA > opposition, speaks to the NASCAR dads, and the millions of hunters out > there. Despising hunting, I see no right to judge hunters and this is > not the first hunting trip Kerry has been on this year. My last partner > is a hunter and I lived with him in a house with more firepower than a > small army. It was his thing and I know the pleasure he got from the > hunt with his friends and dogs. Not my thing remotely, but mine is not > to judge, but to accept there are things that I just do not get, but > even if I am appalled at shooting wildlife, mine is not the ultimate > word on the subject. I have helped field dress and prepare pheasants. > When my tenants park their pick ups in our lot with their deer strapped > to the hood, I am not at all happy. But they are hunters. I can't wait > till they get the carcasses to the shop. Much venison gets eaten in > November and all winter where I live. > > I have no need to go anywhere to shoot. I am a very good shot. I have > shot in Minnesota and Michigan. One of those really odd coincidences in > life, how good I am with a rifle. > > I would take away all guns if I could. People hunt. People don't > hunt. My last partner, I got all upset when he was shooting he raccoons > that attacked my ducks, but I was glad the ducks were saved. A later > year I was angry as hell at him when he didn't shoot the raccoons that > attacked my ducks -- that time, raccoon attack successful. > > I know and love many hunters, Their reasons for hunting are varied and > I judge not. Gage my grandson has hunted a deer, shot one, and was > "blooded" afterwards (ritual for first kill) by another grandparent. I > did not share my opinions on hunting with Gage; I am not going to trash > talk what the other grandparents do in a state where hunting is so much > a part of the culture, and Gage can make up his own mind without my > saying a word because without addressing that subject I have taught him > values that he is free to apply where he wants. Gage now detests > hunting. Gage and I are for Kerry. I sure hope Gage loves his hunting > grandparents. Hunting is a thing some people do, it is not a character > or moral flaw. > > Life has its own weird dynamic. Maybe if Bush went hunting he would > know that in shooting, there are casualties, death - > > in a day we are told that Bush assured Pat Robertson that the invasion > of Iraq would result in no casualties whatsoever - why does that not > occupy our minds? > > Unimportant: Kerry hunting. > Important: the non hunting Bush believing there would no causalities in war. > > At least that is my outrage goes. > > To paraphrase someone we all know, > you may spoil a few geese > but leave me the marines and the soldiers, please. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Re: icarus ascending ... some joni within the wailin' jennys ten mile stilts Barg!! sorry about the messed up copy/paste thing..do check the link to the lyrics instead, thanks. and a little more Joni content within. fyi, The Wailin' Jennys participated in the Tribute to Joni Mitchell at the Winnipeg Folk Festival this past summer, part of which I recently heard on our national CBC radio station. spreading the word, Mags if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:14:22 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: NJC - This is TRULY scary <> Aww, Lori, look at the bright side. This means they will have to screen the Prez for mental illness, too. And once they find out how disturbed he is, with all those messages from God he receives, he might get sent away for some long-term treatment. (But then again, look who is the vice-Prez! Hmm, maybe this was Cheney's plan all along?) Sorry, couldn't resist! Mia _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:07:20 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Who wants to chat? Bob wrote: Subject: NJC Who wants to chat? _http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm_ (http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm) Hi Bob! Ain't nobody in there. How about having a scheduled chat sometime? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:58:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Kerry hunting bfd njc >Unimportant: Kerry hunting. Important: the non hunting Bush believing there would no causalities in war. At least that is my outrage goes.< I totally agree with you vince... last night watching cnn I felt the same outrage... aaron brown talking about Ralph Rader & who he might be taking votes away from or not yada yada yada... where oh where is the major reporting going on about how sheriff's are intimidating black voters in Florida!!!!!!!!!!! And all of the GOP funded voter registration being destroyed if they are registered democratic that is happening in many swing states?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? This stuff should be THE STORIES that are all over the media & on everyone's minds & lips... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:25:07 -0400 From: Subject: List of Appearances Simon's been quietly updating the Chronology. On my computer it is now 75 screens tall. (!) If you're on the official site, www.jonimitchell.com you can access it easily. One way is to go to the news section called "THE WORD". Near the date (9/21/04) is a link called "GO TO JONI'S APPEARANCE CHRONOLOGY". Another way is to just go there directly: http://jmdl.com/chronology which implies it's on Les's space. Anyway, it's a cool place to spend some time because Simon used plenty of whitespace and has the occasional Joni quote. Recommened. The gift goes on in silence in a belljar still a song, Lama We now return to squabbling over 30 year old military careers. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:24:37 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Kerry hunting bfd njc vince wrote: > > > I detest all handguns and want them banned. I own a handgun. I have > given money to every anti handgun group out there. is the second sentence a mistake? > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:29:45 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: NJC - This is TRULY scary >but wait! I though the Republican party stood for personal freedom and lack of government interference?< Not to mention fiscal conservatism... I grew up among republicans & this administration has wandered far far away from the party... there is no way this group can call themselves conservatives because their actions put them into the autocratic category... Why even Pat Robertson & I have heard (but not read yet) that even William Kristol (one of the main PNAC architects) are now critical of this administration..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:18:26 -0400 From: Subject: Subject: Kerry hunting geese, njc Well, yeah it's a photo op. But do you think Clinton didn't have photo op? Bush has photo ops of him fishing on the family retreat in Maine. Reagan chopped wood for his photo ops on the family ranch in California. Kerry has photo ops while hunting. Carter had photo ops of him brooding in the Rose Garden. Ford had photo ops falling off the steps from Air Force One. Nixon had photo ops while biting bats' heads off. FDR's photo ops never showed the wheel chair. It's the way the game is played and it has nothing to do with the viewpoints or the debates. The gift goes on, Lama "Marianne Rizzo" said, >This thing about John Kerry going out and hunting geese 11 days before the election is pathetic. A photo op.> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:28:15 -0400 From: Subject: Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc, short Hey, now. Les nicked that from me! While we were all arguing over whether or not to allow NJC, my closing salutation was: Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance, tol... Lama Brian said, >Remember the wise words of Les Irvin - tolerance, tolerance, tolerance.> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:47:07 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: How Many Lightbulbs? NJC Q: How many Bush administration officials does it take to change a light bulb? A: None. There's nothing wrong with that light bulb. There is no need to change anything. We made the right decision and nothing has happened to change our minds. People who criticize this light bulb now, just because it doesn't work anymore, supported us when we first screwed it in, and when these flip-floppers insist on saying that it is burned out, they are merely giving aid and encouragement to the Forces of Darkness. - -- John Cleese ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:49:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: icarus ascending ... some joni within the wailin' jennys ten mile stilts - --- mags h wrote: > which transports me of Joni's > reference to Icarus ascending which leads me to wondering why >Joni > uses this image, powerful one at that...thoughts? Hi Mags, I guess she used it because Icarus was another Amelia. Or, Amelia was another Icarus. Both flew too close to the sun, both wiped out and were unable to continue the dream. When I infer that Amelia flew too close to the sun, I mean her dream of flying that gorgeous Electra around the globe, just her and Noonan and tons and tons of fuel, which were not enough to get her to Howland Island. (to be her next stop) She already undertook many risks getting even as far as she did, but they pushed it too hard at the end, and boom - her wings melted. In another sense, a more painterly sense, Joni is "repeating a form". Repitition of form is something us painters are taught to do to create continuity, I suppose. So yeah, throw in ol/young Icarus, who, w/his pop, Daedalus, needed to fly a long distance against the odds, to get away from the Labyrinth. (where my buddy, the Minotaur lives). Wherever there is human endevour I hope there are always Icarus' and Amelias and of course Jonis, to be found. Those with a fierce desire and need to fly farther than is adviseable to get where they need/want to go. Some will inevitably die trying. Travel channel has a show on Amelia Earhart they are currently airing in their "rotation". Its a good one I think, and a very plausible one. I've read about Amelia pretty much during various periods in my life, and like many of us, have often toyed with the diff stories about what might have happened. But this show really talked me into the fact that they simply ran out of fuel - due to weather conditions that either A.) weren't taken into consideration or B.) were bravely shrugged off in the spirit of this risky endeavour. Maybe the real reason Joni is not creating new musical art anymore is that she fears she would be venturing too close to the sun. :) Em ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:16:09 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise!" NJC In a message dated 10/22/2004 5:05:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michaelpaz@aol.com writes: > Paz and Donna (still arguing over who is going to be Issac and Julie) > Personally, I think Donna would be a great Julie (if Lauren Tewes is off crack now), but Paz, you'd be much better off as the special guest star Fabio!!!! Seriously, I think this is a great idea. We want to do both France and the cruise. I want to thank both you and Donna, (and Laurent for the French fest) for all the investigating to these great potential jonifests. Jimmy, who has dibs on being Captain Stubing. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:29:49 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Capitol Steps NJC There was also a parody of the same name directed at Clinton. I wonder why Bush was spared? Maybe because he hasn't taken a stand on anything except being a total dumbass. The CS usually send up everybody, so there was probably some Bush stuff in there. How could they resist? Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 18:24:47 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise!" NJC >>Jimmy, who has dibs on being Captain Stubing. Dear Captain Stubing, I will meet you on the deck of any ocean-liner and in any vineyard in France with our Jonifest mugs and a jug of orange juice in the morning. Just give me a lounge chair honey and I'm there! Thanks for your support, love ya, db ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:17:48 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: How Many Lightbulbs? NJC Kate, This is the best political joke I've heard this election! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 2:47 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: How Many Lightbulbs? NJC Q: How many Bush administration officials does it take to change a light bulb? A: None. There's nothing wrong with that light bulb. There is no need to change anything. We made the right decision and nothing has happened to change our minds. People who criticize this light bulb now, just because it doesn't work anymore, supported us when we first screwed it in, and when these flip-floppers insist on saying that it is burned out, they are merely giving aid and encouragement to the Forces of Darkness. - -- John Cleese ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:22:58 EDT From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Jane Siberry's Satanic Pullet Surpise (njc) Hey, gang --just had to share this story--I got it from one of Jane Siberry's live albums, from her "Wednesdays at the Bottom Line" boxed set called "New York Trilogy" Apologies if the joke is old news for some of you: Anyway, she told this story about going to church for the first time in a long time, with her mom, her best friend from childhood, and the friend's mom. (This would have been in the early '90's, as her mom passed away in '92 or '93) It's a small congregation, and at some time during the service, each congregant goes up to the front of the church for a few private words with the minister. Jane was the first of her group to get to the minister. He took her hands in his and said, "God's blood did shit for us." Jane was stunned, and blood rushed to her face. "Pardon?" "God's blood did shit for us." Shaken, Jane returned to her pew. Next to return was her childhood friend. Jane asked her what the minister said to her. "Oh, he sort of pulled a guilt trip on me. I haven't been to service for a while, and he said, 'Good to have you with us tonight.' " Next to return was Jane's mother. "Mom, what did the minister say to you?" "Oh, we're old friends. The other minister is out sick, and he said 'Well, I'm pulling the late shift tonight.' " Jane began to question her sanity. Was she the only one the minister had singled out for a Satanic warning? Finally, her friend's mom returned to the pew. Jane asked her what the minister had said to her. "Oh, he said the same thing he always says when he can't think of anything else: "Christ's blood was shed for us." Cheers to all, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:43:46 EDT From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Check out "Florida Election Ballot" (6969) (njc) You've probably already seen this, but in case not: Click Here: Florida Election Ballot or go to wearabledissent.com/101/floridaballot.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:25:14 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Kerry hunting bfd njc colin wrote: >vince wrote: > > > >>I detest all handguns and want them banned. I own a handgun. I have >>given money to every anti handgun group out there. >> >> > >is the second sentence a mistake? > > No, it is not a mistake. I am also against unhealthy food and eat at McDonalds some times. Life is filled with contradictions. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:59:55 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Subject: Kerry hunting geese, njc jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Well, yeah it's a photo op. But do you think Clinton didn't have > photo op? > Photo Op? Is that a Microsoft product? Mark E. in the Land of Bill Gates ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 02:13:44 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 24 On October 24 the following articles were published: 1980: "Shadows and Light" - BAM (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=563 1998: "Dylan, Mitchell keep the old crowd coming" - Minneapolis Star Tribune (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=197 1998: "Legends of the fall" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=378 1998: "Oh what a night! Jimi and Joni Come Together" - Ottawa Citizen (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=733 1998: "There's no escaping the Sixties time warp" - Ottawa Citizen (Concert Preview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=234 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #433 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)