From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #432 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, October 23 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 432 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- njc -- responses to queries from around the globe [Smurfycopy@aol.com] NJC - This is TRULY scary [Lori Fye ] NJC Re: Capitol Steps do a Joni cover, sort of NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC - This is TRULY scary [Em ] Re: NJC - This is TRULY scary [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Who wants to chat? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC - This is TRULY scary [Lori Fye ] Re: NJC - This is TRULY scary [Lori Fye ] Re: NJC - This is TRULY scary [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc [colin ] Re: njc -- responses to queries from around the globe [colin ] Re: njc -- responses to queries from around the globe [Smurfycopy@aol.com] RE: NJC - This is TRULY scary ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: njc -- responses to queries from around the globe [colin ] if they start doing those testes.... NJC [Em ] Re: if they start doing those testes.... NJC OOPS!! [Em ] both sides now ["mackoliver" ] Today's Library Links: October 23 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: For Vince: Eminem on voting -- NJC [vince ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:16:50 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: njc -- responses to queries from around the globe Colin asked me: << Have you ever thought of making a career as a stand up? >> A stand-up what? (RIMSHOT) Seriously, folks, comedy is hard work, you know. Hard, hard work. Comedians have to fly all over the place, so their arms are always tired. Night after night they have to perform for ladies and germs. And people are always taking their wives. It's hard work, I tell you. Nuriel writes: << Don't worry, Smurf, once your missing daughter finds you, you'd need all the making things happening within you in the world to go on and make me laugh like hell:) >> Yes, Nuri ... you mean sweet Baby Sully, the daughter I lost because I just can't remember where the hell I put the little dear. (I used to drink a lot!) Dear little Baby Sully ... I bored her, and I could not raise a laugh out of the little shit, either. You know the story behind Baby Sully, don't you, Nuri? A very sad and dark chapter of my life. Baby Sully is the reason I ended up in the Jackie Mason Laundries in the first place. Nuriel also claims his mother said, about Joni Mitchell: << "SHE tells ME about HER troubles?!" >> I just wanted to point out that I think that's one of the funniest reactions to Joni I've ever heard. - --Smurf "C'mon, bitch. Take it like a taxpayer." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:18:07 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: NJC - This is TRULY scary President Bushs little-publicized New Freedom Commission on Mental Health has proposed comprehensive mental-illness screening for all Americans. If this proposal is carried out, which is Bushs intention, no adult or child will be safe from intrusive probing by experts, backed by drug companies, who believe that mental illness is woefully underdiagnosed and therefore that many millions of people ought to be taking powerful and expensive psychiatric drugs. Schools and doctors offices will become quasi-psychiatric monitoring stations. Read the rest: http://www.fff.org/comment/com0410b.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:33:36 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Capitol Steps do a Joni cover, sort of NJC **The political musical-comedy group Capitol Steps have a song for John Kerry called "I've Taken Stands on Both Sides Now." In a cursory web search, I couldn't dig up the lyrics. There was also a parody of the same name directed at Clinton. I wonder why Bush was spared? Maybe because he hasn't taken a stand on anything except being a total dumbass. Bob, thinking that Kerry should have gone hunting with a killer sofa - now THAT would be impressive! NP: Karrin Allison, "All I Want" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:01:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC - This is TRULY scary but wait! I though the Republican party stood for personal freedom and lack of government interference? Now they are turning into "Big Nurse"? My ass. I'm going out the window.... Em ps Lori this really REALLY bums me out. I hope its true that this isn't true. sigh sigh sigh.... - --- Lori Fye wrote: > President Bushs little-publicized New Freedom Commission on Mental > Health has > proposed comprehensive mental-illness screening for all Americans. If > this > proposal is carried out, which is Bushs intention, no adult or child > will be > safe from intrusive probing by experts, backed by drug companies, > who believe > that mental illness is woefully underdiagnosed and therefore that > many millions > of people ought to be taking powerful and expensive psychiatric > drugs. Schools > and doctors offices will become quasi-psychiatric monitoring > stations. > > Read the rest: http://www.fff.org/comment/com0410b.asp > ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:06:00 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - This is TRULY scary **no adult or child will be safe from intrusive probing by experts Well, better to be probed by an expert than by Gov. Jim McGreevey. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Make It Rain" (in no one else spinning his new masterpiece?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:10:21 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Who wants to chat? _http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm_ (http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:13:27 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: NJC - This is TRULY scary > but wait! I though the Republican party stood for personal freedom and > lack of government interference? No, Em. The Republican party USED to stand for personal freedom and lack of government interference. The party of Bush and Ashcroft -- which should be renamed the Repugnant party -- has always been about big business and further lining the pockets of rich corporate bastards, but now it also stands for Big Brother, the Patriot Act, and doing "things we've weve wanted to do for the last ten years," to paraphrase Trent Lott on the day the Patriot Act was introduced. > Now they are turning into "Big Nurse"? > My ass. I'm going out the window.... Me too, if Bush stays in office. > ps Lori this really REALLY bums me out. I hope its true that this isn't > true. sigh sigh sigh.... Sigh, indeed. Lori, who is almost completely convinced that Bush is really the anti-Christ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:15:34 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: NJC - This is TRULY scary > **no adult or child will be > safe from intrusive probing by experts > > Well, better to be probed by an expert than by Gov. Jim McGreevey. Hmm ... I think I'd prefer McGreevey. ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:07:00 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - This is TRULY scary Bob writes to Lori: << Well, better to be probed by an expert than by Gov. Jim McGreevey. >> "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:13:05 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc Lori Fye wrote: >Colin, declining Brian's invitation to shoot at the indoor gallery, wrote: > > > >>I don't . But in all seriousness, i would like to hear why you find so >>thrilling. I would really like to know what makes people enjoy using >>these weapons. I am not trying to be clever here, I really would like >>you to try an explain what it is about guns that you enjoy. >> >> > > >"Oh the power and the glory ..." > well yse that is what i do think but having never had anyone into guns explain why to me, i am prepared to accept that i may have a prejudiced view on the subject. So instead of carrying on with my view, formed without ever eharing the other side, I have asked for the other side and hopefully I will get it. > >Lori > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:19:19 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: njc -- responses to queries from around the globe Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: >Colin asked me: > ><< Have you ever thought of making a career as a stand up? >> > > >A stand-up what? (RIMSHOT) > okay waht is a rimshot? is it rude? like rimming? > > > >Nuriel also claims his mother said, about Joni Mitchell: > ><< "SHE tells ME about HER troubles?!" >> > >I just wanted to point out that I think that's one of the funniest reactions >to Joni I've ever heard. > > > that is very funny and quite true really. i do find her writing a bit self absorbed and her first alsums were sefl centred. i still don't get why people thought she was so groundbreaking lyrically-it was just the same old poor wounded me crap- just written in a more poncy way. I think it also reveals her trouble with intimacy but ti seems she perhaps prefers to blame the men. I don't find anything groundbreaking about it. (her msuic of course is different.) Now her later stuff , like The Three Great Stimulants, Sex Kills to give just 2 examples are much more interesting lyrically to me. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:23:59 +0100 From: colin Subject: dreamland njc saw it at Virgin and wasn't going to pay 16.99. saw it at tesco's at bought it 9.97. The cover picture I think looks very amateur(bear in mind I am not an art aficionado). However the first one inside is excellent, the one of her younf with flowers looking out a window? Then there is the one of her as she looks now. And the one of the black guy is amazing. so which idiot put the crappy one on the cover? - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:26:57 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc -- responses to queries from around the globe << okay waht is a rimshot? is it rude? like rimming? >> It's the noise a drummer makes during a Vegas-type comedian's routine. I'm sure you've heard it (since US culture is taking over) -- it's two drumbeats and a cymbal hit and it comes after a joke. And rimming isn't just rude, it's gross! Have a nice weekend. - --Bob "Now he's offending rimmers." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:39:01 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC - This is TRULY scary Apparently, this report is endorsed by the APA and NAMI among other groups. I wonder why they haven't objected to the more Orwellian (or should it be Huxleyan) provisions: http://www.nami.org/Template.cfm?Section=Press_Release_Archive&template=/con tentmanagement/contentdisplay.cfm&ContentID=9228 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:13 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: NJC - This is TRULY scary > but wait! I though the Republican party stood for personal freedom and > lack of government interference? No, Em. The Republican party USED to stand for personal freedom and lack of government interference. The party of Bush and Ashcroft -- which should be renamed the Repugnant party -- has always been about big business and further lining the pockets of rich corporate bastards, but now it also stands for Big Brother, the Patriot Act, and doing "things we've weve wanted to do for the last ten years," to paraphrase Trent Lott on the day the Patriot Act was introduced. > Now they are turning into "Big Nurse"? > My ass. I'm going out the window.... Me too, if Bush stays in office. > ps Lori this really REALLY bums me out. I hope its true that this isn't > true. sigh sigh sigh.... Sigh, indeed. Lori, who is almost completely convinced that Bush is really the anti-Christ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:45:48 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: njc -- responses to queries from around the globe Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: ><< okay waht is a rimshot? is it rude? like rimming? >> > > >It's the noise a drummer makes during a Vegas-type comedian's routine. I'm >sure you've heard it (since US culture is taking over) -- it's two drumbeats and >a cymbal hit and it comes after a joke. > oh we have that here and I don't think ti came fro the usa. I don't know what we call it. > >And rimming isn't just rude, it's gross! > lol! i guess that depends.... > >Have a nice weekend. > >--Bob > > >"Now he's offending rimmers." > >--Gov. Jim McGreevey > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:46:57 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: njc -- responses to queries from around the globe Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > >Have a nice weekend. > > > PS you too and everyone else. of course every day is weekend for me..... bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:13:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC Who wants to chat? Ok you guys?? why doens't anyone come to the ch ch ch chat? huh? Joni Mitchell was in there before. But I think Bob and I offended her. She left out like a white ass dear. :( Em http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > _http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm_ (http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm) > ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:31:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: if they start doing those testes.... NJC if they DO start doing those tests to determine who'se nuts or gay or creative or whatever...what we should maybe do..is like what Arlo did at the draft board in Alice's Rest. say "veins, teeth, etc" you know, if EVERYONE does it......it'll be a movement, sh_t, they'll have to RECALIBRATE, and we will have undermined their stupid thing. Em ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:13:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: if they start doing those testes.... NJC OOPS!! you know, I meant "tests" - so sorry.... em ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:10:48 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: if they start doing those testes.... NJC OOPS!! > you know, I meant "tests" - so sorry.... "testes" was actually quite appropriate, Em. http://www.oldamericancentury.org/MENFOLK.jpg Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:15:36 -0400 From: vince Subject: Kerry hunting bfd njc John Kerry is a life long hunter. I have no use for hunting. I went hunting once and it was all I expected. I detested it before I went as well as after. I live in a state of hunters. We are now in pheasant season and bow season for deer. Gun season for deer is always November 15th, a Michigan holiday. If I were to despise hunters, I would have to include many friends and family members. I have chosen to make no value judgment on it. I oppose it, but it is intrinsic to the natures of many and I accept the diversity of humanity there. I detest all handguns and want them banned. I own a handgun. I have given money to every anti handgun group out there. I believe the Second Amendment speaks to well regulated militias and not to the unregulated uncontrolled use of firepower in the homes and streets and forests and farms of America. My deputy sheriff cousin was killed by a handgun. If the killer had not been able to steal a handgun, my cousin would not be dead and his partner would not have been injured so badly. When guns are outlawed, the only guns criminal will use will be ones that they steal from so-called law abiding folks who keep their guns in defiance of the outlawing of guns. Iraqis have all kind of weapons. That sure preserved freedom there with Saddam and has allowed the post Saddam era to be a tranquil place where none have fear of violence. I saw the picture of Kerry hunting. Great looking lab in the picture! Big deal. He was making a message that undercuts lock step NRA opposition, speaks to the NASCAR dads, and the millions of hunters out there. Despising hunting, I see no right to judge hunters and this is not the first hunting trip Kerry has been on this year. My last partner is a hunter and I lived with him in a house with more firepower than a small army. It was his thing and I know the pleasure he got from the hunt with his friends and dogs. Not my thing remotely, but mine is not to judge, but to accept there are things that I just do not get, but even if I am appalled at shooting wildlife, mine is not the ultimate word on the subject. I have helped field dress and prepare pheasants. When my tenants park their pick ups in our lot with their deer strapped to the hood, I am not at all happy. But they are hunters. I can't wait till they get the carcasses to the shop. Much venison gets eaten in November and all winter where I live. I have no need to go anywhere to shoot. I am a very good shot. I have shot in Minnesota and Michigan. One of those really odd coincidences in life, how good I am with a rifle. I would take away all guns if I could. People hunt. People don't hunt. My last partner, I got all upset when he was shooting he raccoons that attacked my ducks, but I was glad the ducks were saved. A later year I was angry as hell at him when he didn't shoot the raccoons that attacked my ducks -- that time, raccoon attack successful. I know and love many hunters, Their reasons for hunting are varied and I judge not. Gage my grandson has hunted a deer, shot one, and was "blooded" afterwards (ritual for first kill) by another grandparent. I did not share my opinions on hunting with Gage; I am not going to trash talk what the other grandparents do in a state where hunting is so much a part of the culture, and Gage can make up his own mind without my saying a word because without addressing that subject I have taught him values that he is free to apply where he wants. Gage now detests hunting. Gage and I are for Kerry. I sure hope Gage loves his hunting grandparents. Hunting is a thing some people do, it is not a character or moral flaw. Life has its own weird dynamic. Maybe if Bush went hunting he would know that in shooting, there are casualties, death - in a day we are told that Bush assured Pat Robertson that the invasion of Iraq would result in no casualties whatsoever - why does that not occupy our minds? Unimportant: Kerry hunting. Important: the non hunting Bush believing there would no causalities in war. At least that is my outrage goes. To paraphrase someone we all know, you may spoil a few geese but leave me the marines and the soldiers, please. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:56:09 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: both sides now a cathartic night it is, here in the throes of my home. how could such be true and complete without our joan? Everyone is familiar with the Collins version of both sides now and it was a good tune and I always enjoyed it. Recently downloaded many tunes from music now and one of them was the same tune done by Joni. Her voice is mature and the effort is one of her best ever, I feel. Not sure from where this version comes, album wise. Knocks Judy out of the water and I am quite the Collins fan as well. Such emotion, such a telling that almost tears come to the eyes as she pulls upon every emotion inside. Damn, I love the girl. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:15:53 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 23 On October 23 the following articles were published: 1994: "A Darker Shade of Blue" - New York Newsday (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=226 1994: "Joni Mitchell" - Calgary Herald (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=59 1994: "Joni Mitchell looks at the darker side" - Detroit Free Press (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=971 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:42:58 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: For Vince: Eminem on voting -- NJC Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote, quoting the poet of our day, Eminem: > > >I love it: "Every motherf**kinb vote counts." That Eminem! What a guy. My >grandmother would have said "he's got a fresh mouth on him." > Funny, as I was driving home just now I was singing 'White America' - "I never would of dreamed in a million years I'd see so many mutha-fucking people who feel like me..." In the annotated version of the poem, we learn that the child Marshall Mathers was deeply influenced by the Canadian chanteuse Joni Mitchell who was singing "I can't hear your fucking music" on her albums in the early 90s, in young Marshall's developmental years! And like Gentle Songwriter Mitchell's use of the world "fucking" in a political song, so Eminem also. Further, in the prologue to White America, Eminem states: America!! Hahaha! We love you! How many people are proud to be citizens of this beautiful country of ours? The stripes and the stars for the rights that men have died for to protect The women and men who have broke their necks for the freedom of speech the United States government has sworn to uphold.. .. or so we're told Scholars believe the use of the word "fucking" comes from a cranial biological reaction to one of the secret ingredients in Vernor's Ginger Ale, a Detroit staple, since no one else in human history says the word "fucking" but Detroiters Ms. Mitchell (where she developed her muse) and Mr. Mathers (Mitchell - Mathers - kind of an M and M of their own in their potty mounted vulgarities), Incidentally, while some artists have chosen to still their voices, Eminem has been denouncing Bush for the last four years. Eminem hasn't had to come out of a closet in 2004 to get political either. And he has been funding voter information and registration events all year, didn't wait until October like some artists. > > >And by the way, Vince, in case no one has told you, you were mentioned at the >NE Jonifest this year in the Sugarpants skit, > I am deeply honored! No one ever told me! This is indeed an honor! Thank you all! > which, through the magic of >theater, took place far in the future at the Joni Mitchell Home for Aging >Children. When Donna asked whatever happened to you, Lori answered that you were at >the Eminem Home for Motherf**kin' Old Dudes. > As one might expect, Eminem had this one covered several years ago, in the Real Slim Shady: "I'll be the only person in the nursin home flirting Pinchin nurses asses when I'm jackin off with Jergens And I'm jerkin but this whole bag of Viagra isn't working." Oh my! (The video is funny as hell!) Thank you Lori and Sugarpants! I wish I had the video of that! That you Bob for telling me! Vince, feeling fucking honored tonight and looking at the newest pictures of naked Eminem (what a round little ass!) and reaching for the Jergens... :-) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #432 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)