From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #431 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 22 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 431 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Shiny Toys (Remix?) [Nuriel Tobias ] integrity njc [colin ] NJC Re: integrity njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Kerry hunting geese, njc ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Shiny Toys (Remix?) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Capitol Steps do a Joni cover, sort of [Deb Messling ] Re: I found some hope in Joni's Fresh Air interview -- NJC, McG [Smurfyco] Re: Shiny Toys (Remix?) [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: I found some hope in Joni's Fresh Air interview -- McG [Nuriel Tobia] JoniFest - who's not gonna be there? [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc [colin ] Re: NJC Re: integrity njc [colin ] Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: JoniFest - who's not gonna be there? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: JoniFest - who's not gonna be there? [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni Tribute Album - This from MOJO Magazine [Jerry Notaro ] Re: JoniFest - who's not gonna be there? [Em ] Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc [Brian Gross ] Re: Red Sox, njc [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc [Lori Fye ] Re: NJC - Writing Again (We're About 9) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc [Brian Gross ] Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc [Brian Gross ] RE: Download Joni's Fresh Air interview ["Donna Binkley" ] For Vince: Eminem on voting -- NIC, McG [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc [Lori Fye ] Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc [Lori Fye ] Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise!" [Michaelpaz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:32:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Shiny Toys (Remix?) Does anyone know what is "Shiny Toys - Francois Kevorkian Remix"? Thanks, Nuri vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:49:32 +0100 From: colin Subject: integrity njc It was a pleasure to read Bob's(scjoniguy) post this morning concerning his leaving his church in order to stand by his own conscience. I am immensely impressed by that. It is not often one comes across such integrity. So much of the pain and strife and in this world is created or sustained by people failing to have the courage to listen to their inner voice. Failure to accept that being authentic may well leave them outside the 'group', or rather not being to prepared the feel pain of such exclusion. Whether we like it or not, or accept it or not, we all experience the results of our thinking. It is important that we examine ourselves the best we can and try to understannd the motives behind our thoughts, beliefs and actions. No matter how committed we are to that, we will never be perfect and we will still act or think in a way that is not motivated in the way that we believe. No matter how conscientious we are in looking at the truth of our motives we will still manage to fool ourselves-though much less often then if we don't examine! I am also impressed by Bob's obvious love for his son and his striving to do the best he can for him. I am sure he has passed on his integrity to him and he should therefore live an authentic life for the good of himself and the rest of us. In these days(maybe it's just adulthood!) of deceit, or cowardice, lack of integrity and desire for power, posts like Bob's reminds me there is a power of Good in this world if only we recognize it and are able to tear ourselves away from the mezmorizing effect of Evil. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:50:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: integrity njc Thanks for the support, Colin...it's sort of ironic, actually - leaving the church to me is consistent with following the teachings of Christ. Repeatedly he took a firm stand against the Pharisees who had lost the message of love & compassion, and protested the church being turned into a money-making bazaar and center for prejudice & hatred. From the way I see it, this thing has come full circle. It's too complex for most of the sheeple in my church to ever comprehend, but it's BECAUSE I believe in what Jesus preaches in his Sermon On The Mount that I can't stay. But it's not easy - America runs on herd mentality and peer pressure and conformity and fitting in, and withdrawing from church can be risky business socially and in one's community, particularly when one is vocal about it. I could just stop going and keep my thoughts to myself, but it has to do with that integrity thing you speak of. As for my son, you're right about my love for him. Frankly I don't think I could carry on if something was to happen to him; I really don't know and it's not something I can allow myself to think about. Bob NP: Joni, "Dog Eat Dog" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:51:36 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Kerry hunting geese, njc Hi all. How are you doing? This thing about John Kerry going out and hunting geese 11 days before the election is pathetic. A photo op. Does he have time to go hunting? He is appealing to some people with this demonstration while alienating others. I am losing respect for the guy. . . Is the American public so ____________ (can't find the right word here) that they need to see him acting mightily? It's disappointing. But the other pathetic thing is, he's tons better than Bush. Marianne ps. Hunting is not okay in my book. . . . and it is *not* a sport. A "sport" is when two parties come together and 1. agree to play . . and 2. both sides have the same equipment. _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:52:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Shiny Toys (Remix?) **Does anyone know what is "Shiny Toys - Francois Kevorkian Remix"? Well, Nuri...you're setting yourself up again, my friend. It's a remix of Shiny Toys by Francois Kevorkian. I've got a copy of the recording, but I can't get it through yahoo because the file's too big. Maybe Les could post it as a download for anyone interested in hearing it - some of here have heard it, and agree that it's a very creative and fun mix of the track. Bob NP: Patrick Ki, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:02:22 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Capitol Steps do a Joni cover, sort of The political musical-comedy group Capitol Steps have a song for John Kerry called "I've Taken Stands on Both Sides Now." In a cursory web search, I couldn't dig up the lyrics. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:19:32 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: I found some hope in Joni's Fresh Air interview -- NJC, McG Nuriel writes: << When asked if she'd ever write songs again, Joni says: "I'm waiting for something, i guess, to happen within me" >> This sounds like a job for Paz, who *always* makes things happen within me. - --Smurf "So he pins you in a corner and he won't take 'no' ... then what happens?" - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 04:21:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Shiny Toys (Remix?) Bob, Set yourself up for this one, my dear - i'm downloading it! Did i just say "downloading"? You bet i did!:) Nuriel (who, btw, has no idea what "setting yourself up" means, who, when reading some posts that are written in all-American-slang goes blind, and who had to spend half a day reading a dictionary in order to understand the lyrics of "Borderline") But have no fear - i'm willing to "set myself up" for you anytime:) p.s. ...as long as i'm not "setting myself down", i'm ok. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: **Does anyone know what is "Shiny Toys - Francois Kevorkian Remix"? Well, Nuri...you're setting yourself up again, my friend. It's a remix of Shiny Toys by Francois Kevorkian. I've got a copy of the recording, but I can't get it through yahoo because the file's too big. Maybe Les could post it as a download for anyone interested in hearing it - some of here have heard it, and agree that it's a very creative and fun mix of the track. Bob NP: Patrick Ki, "Both Sides Now" vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:31:22 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc Marianne writes: << A "sport" is when two parties come together and 1. agree to play . . and 2. both sides have the same equipment. >> No, Marianne ... that's HOMOSEXUALITY. - --Smurf "I've looked at life from both sides now ..." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 04:42:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: I found some hope in Joni's Fresh Air interview -- McG Don't worry, Smurf, once your missing daughter finds you, you'd need all the making things happening within you in the world to go on and make me laugh like hell:) xxx Nuri Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: Nuriel writes: << When asked if she'd ever write songs again, Joni says: "I'm waiting for something, i guess, to happen within me" >> This sounds like a job for Paz, who *always* makes things happen within me. - --Smurf "So he pins you in a corner and he won't take 'no' ... then what happens?" - --Gov. Jim McGreevey vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 04:49:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: JoniFest - who's not gonna be there? First, i wanna say that i envy anyone who's gonna be there (Laurent, you have no idea what you've got yourself into, he he:::))), and i wish you all the best of times. Now - Who's not going to France and how are we take revenge in those who will? Nuriel vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:49:44 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: >Marianne writes: > ><< A "sport" is when two parties come together and >1. agree to play . . and >2. both sides have the same equipment. >> > > >No, Marianne ... that's HOMOSEXUALITY. > >--Smurf > > >"I've looked at life from both sides now ..." > >--Gov. Jim McGreevey > > > Have you ever thought of making a career as a stand up? - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:57:09 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Re: integrity njc SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >Thanks for the support, Colin...it's sort of ironic, actually - leaving the >church to me is consistent with following the teachings of Christ. Repeatedly >he took a firm stand against the Pharisees who had lost the message of love >& compassion, and protested the church being turned into a money-making >bazaar and center for prejudice & hatred. From the way I see it, this thing has >come full circle. It's too complex for most of the sheeple in my church to ever >comprehend, but it's BECAUSE I believe in what Jesus preaches in his Sermon >On The Mount that I can't stay. > I agree with you. As a child I came to believe, and still do, the the estabilshed churches were eaxctly what Jesus preached against. > >But it's not easy - America runs on herd mentality and peer pressure and >conformity and fitting in, and withdrawing from church can be risky business >socially and in one's community, particularly when one is vocal about it. I >could just stop going and keep my thoughts to myself, but it has to do with that >integrity thing you speak of. > I don't think this is peculiar to the US. It's a world wide flaw. A major, disasterous flaw. > >As for my son, you're right about my love for him. Frankly I don't think I >could carry on if something was to happen to him; I really don't know and it's >not something I can allow myself to think about. > I am not a practising parent. However, I know grief and I can imagine that the grief of losing a child must be immense. Of course you can't think about it! I think about it in respect of John. The big drawback to long term relaionships is that one day one of us is going to face those dark days of loss. Unless we happen to cross over at the same time..... No one's life is free from suffering, immenese suffering. The fear of it coming, as it will, can ruin a life. So one day a time is the best way for me to live. I used to think one day at a time was non sensical. Then I understood the concept and still thought it stupid. Now I know it is the only way to dela with life-in the now. > > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:02:53 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc > Hi all. > How are you doing? > > This thing about John Kerry going out and hunting geese 11 days before the > election is pathetic. > A photo op. > > Does he have time to go hunting? > > He is appealing to some people with this demonstration while alienating > others. > > I am losing respect for the guy. . . I think a lot of people feel the way I do about him, Marianne. I'm voting for him, but he's no John Dean. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:10:42 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: JoniFest - who's not gonna be there? > First, i wanna say that i envy anyone who's gonna be there (Laurent, you have > no idea what you've got yourself into, he he:::))), and i wish you all the > best of times. > > Now - > Who's not going to France and how are we take revenge in those who will? We make the next one in Israel!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:22:47 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Out-ofPrint Joni/Nyro/Touching Base (NJC) > Hi Gary, and thanks for touching base. I'm sorry to hear of your Mother's > passing, but nature intends for us to bury our parents and not the other way > around. Speaking as a child and a parent I know that to be true. Not to > minimize your grief though - my thoughts are with you at this time. > > I recall that Boston Jim also had some difficulty picking up DED at one > point as well...I guess I just didn't experience that; when I wanted to > upgrade > to DED on CD I just went to my local shop and picked it up. And to add to Bob's always great advice, if you don't own DED, and want to get it, buy the Geffen box set. The remastering is first class and makes listening to it almost bearable :-) Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:38:33 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: re: Kudos to the Red Sox (njc) Thanks, Deb. That was very gracious of you. It's difficult to overstate the absolute frenzy in Boston. I was actually born a quarter mile from Fenway Park, just before opening day. I grew up going to the games (when it cost only $1 to sit in the bleachers.) Then, because of the Jimmy Fund (and the fact that you could throw a baseball from Dana-Farber to Fenway Park), there's baseball stuff all over Dana-Farber. I used to walk the bases on the baseball diamond in the floor outside radiology for luck before my scans. Anyway, Go Sox!!!!! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:44:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: JoniFest - who's not gonna be there? Superb! Then we can all slouch towards bethlehem to be shot, and my mother is a great cook, though i must say, once i translated some Joni lyrics to her, and she said: "SHE tells ME about HER troubles?!" I'm sure all you Americans will feel "at home" here (Jesus Christ...), and Iraq is only 2 hours away. Merd! Nuriel Jerry Notaro wrote: > First, i wanna say that i envy anyone who's gonna be there (Laurent, you have > no idea what you've got yourself into, he he:::))), and i wish you all the > best of times. > > Now - > Who's not going to France and how are we take revenge in those who will? We make the next one in Israel!! vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:44:16 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Joni Tribute Album - This from MOJO Magazine Sorry if this has been reported already but I'm just leafing through this month's Mojo magazine (the one with the major article on Johhny Cash (small feature, picture with Joni at early studio rehearsal...) Anyway, In the 'Ask Fred' section on page 154 there is a report to the effect: No, Joni. The Joni Tribute Album, mentioned in MOJO 129, got as far as promo pressings but it seems that Joni might have pulled the plug due to her deteriorating relationship with Reprise - or maybe because Reprise suspected it would not be a huge seller. Anyway, the final track listing ran: PM Dawn - Night in the City; Annie Lennox - Ladies of the Canyon; Stevie Wonder - Woodstock; Janet Jackson - Beat of Black Wings; Duncan Sheik - Court and Spark; k.d.lang - Help Me; Sarah McLachlan - Blue; Elvis Costello - Edith and the Kingpin; Chaka Khan - Hejira; Elton John - Free man in Paris; Bjork - Boho Dance; Lindsay Buckingham with Fleetwood Mac - Big Yellow Taxi. So, there are pressings out there. Get hunting, good willies. Your mission should you choose to accept it.....etc. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:03:31 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Red Sox, njc I don't watch baseball much only the playoffs some and the world series but I really wanted the Red Sox to win. They looked cute in their scruffy caps. No offense to Yankee fans. . is it true that they have more money and can buy better players? This doesn't seem right. . I may be wrong. I'm not really a sports fan, but I have watched my share of football as a kid. I have some nice football cards form 1969 and some from the 70's. You know, Bart Starr, Joe Nameth, Nick Bonaconti (sp?), Don Merideth (sp?), Bob Greise. . . . Stuff like that. Go Red Sox. It must have been really something in the old days when you lived in the town that your team lived in. . and the players were home grown. . .so when you rooted for "your team" you were really rooting for your town. Now, it doesn't seem exciting to me to root for your town or state team, because it seems more about business deals (or something like that) than anything else. Oh, my last life was precious in many ways. "something's lost and somethings's gained. . . ." Love to all, Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:17:18 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni Tribute Album - This from MOJO Magazine > Sorry if this has been reported already but I'm just leafing through this > month's Mojo magazine (the one with the major article on Johhny Cash (small > feature, picture with Joni at early studio rehearsal...) > > Anyway, In the 'Ask Fred' section on page 154 there is a report to the > effect: > > No, Joni. > The Joni Tribute Album, mentioned in MOJO 129, got as far as promo pressings > but it seems that Joni might have pulled the plug due to her deteriorating > relationship with Reprise - or maybe because Reprise suspected it would not > be a huge seller. Anyway, the final track listing ran: PM Dawn - Night in > the City; Annie Lennox - Ladies of the Canyon; Stevie Wonder - Woodstock; > Janet Jackson - Beat of Black Wings; Duncan Sheik - Court and Spark; > k.d.lang - Help Me; Sarah McLachlan - Blue; Elvis Costello - Edith and the > Kingpin; Chaka Khan - Hejira; Elton John - Free man in Paris; Bjork - Boho > Dance; Lindsay Buckingham with Fleetwood Mac - Big Yellow Taxi. > > > So, there are pressings out there. Get hunting, good willies. Your mission > should you choose to accept it.....etc. > Considering Ray Charles' album is, and has been, in the top ten I think this is foolish. Could it be she didn't want it to compete with her two recent releases? Anyway, if anyone gets a hold of one, SHARE!!!! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:26:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Joni to receive Order of Canada Companion status http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/WinnipegSun/News/2004/10/22/679839.html "Three Winnipeggers will be among the 46 Canadians who receive the Order of Canada on Oct. 30 at Rideau Hall in Ottawa. Abdo (Albert) El Tassi, Tannis Richardson and Annette Saint-Pierre will all become Members of the Order of Canada at the ceremony, which will also see singer Joni Mitchell given Companion status, the order's top level." Do any Canadian jmdlers have any more info for us?? Brian in NJ ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:48:56 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Having fun at work with Joni Dear Joni Lovers: I thought you might get a kick out this exchange I'm having at work. I sent an email to my department head, with a "cc" to few of my colleagues -- the ones who are kindly tolerant when my Joni passion spills over into our workplace. (A passion, by the way, that was intensified by my MAGNIFICENT connecting with Angel Ashara this week, which I will post about later when I have more time!). I've copied my email below, and posted three responses I received this morning. - --------------------------- Dear Department Head: Does the department have travel funds to send me to this scholarly conference? I believe it would help me in my work here and provide an enormous intellectual boost to our department. Please read the attached description for further information. Thank you for your consideration. Respectfully submitted, Patti Parlette Your Loyal Administrative Coordinator Department of Modern and Classical Languages University of Connecticut - ------------------------------- McGill University Faculty of Music Concerts and Publicity 555 Sherbrooke Street West Montreal, Quebec H3A 1E3 PRESS RELEASE ************* Joni Mitchell At the Faculty of Music October 27, 2004 Montreal, October 18, 2004 b As part of the celebrations of the 100th Anniversary of Music Teaching at McGill University, and on the occasion of her being conferred a Doctor of Music honoris causa, the Faculty of Music will pay a tribute to the great Canadian songwriter, singer, musician, poet and painter Joni Mitchell on Wednesday, October 27, 2004. Born in Alberta and raised in Saskatoon, Ms. Mitchell is among the most influential women of her generation. Her unique melodies and vocal styles have inspired many performers. She has produced over twenty albums and collaborated with such musicians as Herbie Hancock and Charles Mingus. Her music has been recorded by Buffy Ste. Marie, Bob Dylan, Frank Sinatra, k d lang and Joshua Redman, to name just a few. Multi-Grammy winner, inductee of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the Juno Hall of Fame, she was granted the Century Award for creative achievement by the Billboard Magazine, the Swedenbs Polar Music Prize and the Governor Generalbs Performing Arts Award. On October 27, 2004, from 10:00am to 6:00pm in Redpath Hall, musicologists, critic, visual arts and performing artists will gather to Explore the Art and the Music of Joni Mitchell. Guest speakers include Lloyd Whitesell (Music, McGill University), Jennifer Rycenga (Comparative Religious Studies, San Jose State University), Daniel Sonenberg (Music, University of Southern Maine), and Howie Klein (former president, Reprise Records). The complete symposium program can be consulted at www.mcgill.ca/music/events/jmitchell_symposium/ . The Honorary Degree Ceremony conferring the degree of Doctor in Music honoris causa to Ms. Mitchell will be held at 8:00pm in Pollack Hall. A limited number of passes will be available through the Pollack Hall Box Office (398-4547) from October 25, 2004 at 12:00 (noon). - ------------------------- RESPONSE #1 (from my great boss): Dear Administrative Coordinator: Is this trip relevant to your research? Are you presenting a song? Will you be singing a duet with Joni? If you meet all of these criteria the dept. will pay. Yours, Dept. Head RESPONSE #2: Go girl! Thought of you on the way down to NY last night: she was being interviewed by Terry Gross on NPR. Did you hear it? Les Chausssettes rouges ont gagne. Suoperbe! Roger (TRANSLATION FROM PATTI FOR VINCE AND ANNE SANDSTROM: The Red Sox won. Superb!) RESPONSE #3: You are too funny! We can spring for some funds, but only on condition that you slooooow down with you know who... Barbara (Ashara and mi Corazon: you will "get" that last one...LOL) - --------------------- I hope this post leaves you all smiling like I am right now! Lots of love, Patti P.S. Next week I'll request travel funds for La JoniFest Francaise........for ALL of us. Ooh la la! _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:56:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: JoniFest - who's not gonna be there? - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > First, i wanna say that i envy anyone who's gonna be there (Laurent, > you have no idea what you've got yourself into, he he:::))), and i > wish you all the best of times. > > Now - > Who's not going to France and how are we take revenge in those who > will? Hi Nuriel, I think the chances are slim that I will be going. So with that in mind, for revenge, I suggest that those who can't go, get together and secretly discuss loud and long and with great passion, the reasons why surely there must be a God. And all AGREE. And NOT tell Laurent! ;) Em ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:56:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc - --- Marianne wrote: > This thing about John Kerry going out and hunting geese 11 days before the > election is pathetic. > A photo op. Very true. An attempted scam on the US electorate, in fact. Kerry has used every opportunity to vote against the interests of law abibding citizens in their exercise of their Second Amendment rights. The Second Amendment confers the right that makes all other rights possible. I realize I am in a very small minority here on the JMDL, though not alone, by any means. That does not necessarily make my position wrong, just because I happen to be outnumbered in this particular forum. Remember the wise words of Les Irvin - tolerance, tolerance, tolerance. take care all, Brian ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:02:22 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Red Sox, njc Well, during my youth, major leagues players had not really grown up in the towns where the teams were located. ( the three Dimaggios-San Francisco; Ted Williams-San Diego; Stan Musial-central Pennsylvania; Bob Feller-central Iowa). Pete Rose grew up in Cincinnati, but that is the exception. What is true is that the best players stayed longer with one team. Also the teams had extensive farm systems and these were the nearly exclusive supply line to the majors. So when a rookie first appeared in a Giants uniform, the odds were that he'd been in the Giants' system from the day he signed his first professional contract. As for the World Series, I'll be rooting for Boston but predict they will fail. They are playing an opponent that commited only 1 (very questionable) error in the seven games vs Houston. This, I think, will decide things. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:40:41 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc - --- Marianne wrote: > This thing about John Kerry going out and hunting geese 11 days before the election is pathetic. > A photo op. then Brian replied: <> now me: brian - i agree with marianne about the "sport" of killing animals that won't be used as a food source. but it's not the geese that i'm worried about when short-tempered short-sighted Joe Citizen *who has never hunted a day in his life* owns firearms. you know as well as i do that the majority of people shot in this coutry aren't shot by hunters of wildlife. to purposefully confuse the issue damages everyone. as for the 2nd Amendment "conferring the right that makes all other rights possible,".... well.... i disagree. you can call me naive if you choose, but i'd like to believe that it's not fear or firepower that makes (made?) this country a great place to live, but other things like justice and hope and compassion and powerful dreams. that misplaced comma in the 2nd Amendment has sure made this country a dangerous place to live. in my opinion, in the light of the ways that guns are used daily in this country, to shoot people who cut you off in traffic or who screw you in a drug deal or who happen to be in your way when the anti-depressants stop working or whatever, i find it ironic that you invoke "tolerance." guns are too quick and too dangerous in the hands of most of the people of today's short-attention-span world. period. surely this isn't what the founding fathers had in mind. cindy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:41:05 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Download Joni's Fresh Air interview Right, I wanted to listen to it on my iPod, which I did. Thanks, Les for making this available! On Oct 21, 2004, at 10:03 PM, Moni Kellermann wrote: > Hello, > > you can also listen to it as an audio stream. > Copy the link into your player: > > Winamp: Play -> File -> Location > RealPlayer: File -> Open > > rtsp://real.npr.na-central.speedera.net/real.npr.na-central/fa/ > 20041020_fa_01.rm > > Don't click on the link as you will most likely get an error message. > > More info on how to use Winamp for Real format files and RealPlayer > alternatives can be found here: > > http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=155680 > > http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/1054136293/1 > > I have been using those alternative players for quite a while now and > I'm glad that I don't have to use the original Windows Media Player, > RealPlayer or Quicktime Player. > > > moni > > ========================================= "See, the human mind is like a...pinata. Break it open, and there's a lot of surprises inside. Once you get the pinata perspective, you see that losing your mind can be a peak experience." - --Trudy (Lily Tomlin) from "The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe" Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:57:13 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: JoniFest - who's not gonna be there? (NJC) As much as I would love to visit France again (and Paris someday, for the first time), I won't go without my partner, and she will not attend a JoniFest regardless of location. Enjoy, y'all! And kiss on Main Street!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:08:40 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Levity - political content - njc A little levity for the afternoon. Question: What's the difference between Vietnam and Iraq? Answer: Bush had a plan for getting out of Vietnam. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:26:45 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc Marianne wrote: > This thing about John Kerry going out and hunting geese 11 days > before the election is pathetic. > A photo op. Yes it's pathetic but why let it bother you? Kerry said in the last debate that he's a hunter. So he wanted to demonstrate that. Yes it appeals to gun owners and weapons-rights advocates. It's similar to Kerry saying he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman. There are certain things one must do and say in this political climate in order to sway the fools who are one issue voters. Doesn't bother me one whit. We are probably never going to get a president of real and honest character in the United States. Brian wrote: > Very true. > An attempted scam on the US electorate, in fact. > Kerry has used every opportunity to vote against the interests of > law abiding citizens in their exercise of their Second Amendment > rights. > The Second Amendment confers the right that makes all other > rights possible. Firepower makes all other rights possible? Give me a break, Brian. Cindy replied: > that misplaced comma in the 2nd Amendment has sure made this > country a dangerous place to live. > > in my opinion, in the light of the ways that guns are used daily > in this country, to shoot people who cut you off in traffic or > who screw you in a drug deal or who happen to be in your way when > the anti-depressants stop working or whatever, i find it ironic > that you invoke "tolerance." guns are too quick and too > dangerous in the hands of most of the people of today's > short-attention-span world. period. surely this isn't what the > founding fathers had in mind. And Cindy, you are right (as usual, in every circumstance). ; ) The Second Amendment says this, and this is ALL is says: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Misplaced comma or not, I don't read that every American has the right to own any sort of firepower s/he chooses to own. What I read is that a WELL REGULATED militia shall not be infringed upon. That doesn't mean a bunch of pissed off guys in the American outback who don't want to pay taxes or get drivers licenses. That means well regulated military and police services. WELL REGULATED. LAW ABIDING. I don't have a problem with someone owning guns for target practice or for protecting their home or person, although there are so many dangers inherent in the practice that I completely support smart guns and trigger locks. I do have issues with shooting animals for the hell of it; but that's another discussion. But you want to fire automatic rifles and bazookas? Then join the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps, and become part of the well regulated militia. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:20:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: NJC - Writing Again (We're About 9) Susan wrote: > I have the pleasure of hosting them in my house concert series the > following Monday evening - pinch me... :-) Lori>Claudia, Mags, and I saw "We're About 9" last year in Takoma Park, MD, and they are WONDERFUL! Another WA9 fan here! Saw them perform in a tiny hotel room at San Diego Folk Alliance last year... they are great! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC - Writing Again (We're About 9) had the pleasure of hearing them live on community radio this a.m. Neat group! :) Em - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Susan wrote: > > > I have the pleasure of hosting them in my house concert series the > > following Monday evening - pinch me... :-) > > Lori>Claudia, Mags, and I saw "We're About 9" last year in Takoma > Park, MD, > and they are WONDERFUL! > > Another WA9 fan here! Saw them perform in a tiny hotel room at San > Diego > Folk Alliance last year... they are great! > ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:55:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc > --- Marianne wrote: > < before the election is pathetic. > A photo op.>> > then Brian replied: > < An attempted scam on the US electorate, in fact. > Kerry has used every opportunity to vote against the interests of > law abiding citizens in their exercise of their Second Amendment > rights. > The Second Amendment confers the right that makes all other > rights possible.>> - --- Cindy Vickery wrote: > brian - > > i agree with marianne about the "sport" of killing animals that > won't be used as a food source. > but it's not the geese that i'm worried about when short-tempered > short-sighted Joe Citizen *who has never hunted a day in his > life* owns firearms. you know as well as i do that the majority > of people shot in this coutry aren't shot by hunters of wildlife. > to purposefully confuse the issue damages everyone. > as for the 2nd Amendment "conferring the right that makes all > other rights possible,".... well.... i disagree. you can call > me naive if you choose, but i'd like to believe that it's not > fear or firepower that makes (made?) this country a great place > to live, but other things like justice and hope and compassion > and powerful dreams. > that misplaced comma in the 2nd Amendment has sure made this > country a dangerous place to live. > > in my opinion, in the light of the ways that guns are used daily > in this country, to shoot people who cut you off in traffic or > who screw you in a drug deal or who happen to be in your way when > the anti-depressants stop working or whatever, i find it ironic > that you invoke "tolerance." guns are too quick and too > dangerous in the hands of most of the people of today's > short-attention-span world. period. surely this isn't what the > founding fathers had in mind. Now Brian again: The "misplaced comma" as you put it, is EXACTLY where the founding fathers put it, so it is NOT misplaced. And the world in general has always been a dangerous place to live. The United States is a nation of Law, where the Congress and the state legislatures have a mechanism to amend that Constitution. In fact, that mechanism has been used almost twenty times over the course of our national lifetime. If you find the Second Amendment so unacceptable, then start working within the system to have it repealed. I think you'll find yourself beating a dead horse on that one, though (apologies to the equiphiles). As far as the "short-attention-span world" goes, if they are law abiding citizens, regardless of the length of their attention spans, their constitutional rights should and must be preserved. If they are in violation of the law (ie. possession of a firearm by a felon, or the use of a firearm in the commission of a crime)they should be punished, no question about it. But it sounds like you propose abridging the rights of the law-abiding-many in order to punish the law-breaking-few. New laws will not deter those with criminal intent. Active enforcement of existing laws and taking criminals out of our midst WILL reduce crime. If guns are outlawed, the outlaws will still have their guns. The law abiding public will be left less able to defend itself against the criminal element. Just look at the outrageously high gun crime statistics in places where essentially, legal gun ownership is prohibited outright or extremely limited through registration, such as Washington DC and New York City. And yes, I DO call for tolerance here. Would you want me to preach violence instead? I don't think so Cindy. Take care. Brian in NJ ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:34:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc - --- Lori wrote: > We are probably never going to get a > president of real and honest character in the United States. I couldn't agree more. I think it was Lot (of Old Testament fame) who G-d challenged to find an ever-decreasing number of "good men" in the Sodom and Gommorrah neighborhoods and he would spare everyone. I think you'd be very hard pressed to assemble a minyan (10 adults) out of the 535 US Senators and Representatives who meet to requirement of "real and honest character", though most are real and all are characters. > Lori also asked: > Firepower makes all other rights possible? That is NOT what I said. Please don't misquote me. I said: > > The Second Amendment confers the right that makes all other > > rights possible. Lori also said: > The Second Amendment says this, and this is ALL is says: > > "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, > the > right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." > > Misplaced comma or not, I don't read that every American has the right to own > any sort of firepower s/he chooses to own. What I read is that a WELL > REGULATED militia shall not be infringed upon. That doesn't mean a bunch of > pissed off guys in the American outback who don't want to pay taxes or get > drivers licenses. That means well regulated military and police services. > WELL REGULATED. LAW ABIDING. Yes, Lori. LAW ABIDING. Criminals should not have guns and law abiders should not be prohibited from having them. Lori again: > I don't have a problem with someone owning guns for target practice or for > protecting their home or person, although there are so many dangers inherent > in > the practice that I completely support smart guns and trigger locks. I do > have > issues with shooting animals for the hell of it; but that's another > discussion. > But you want to fire automatic rifles and bazookas? Then join the Army, > Navy, > Air Force, or Marine Corps, and become part of the well regulated militia. There are also many dangers inherent in drinking alcohol and driving a motor vehicle too. But nobody is calling for banning cars or whiskey (again). As far as automatic rifles and bazookas go, they are both already highly regulated, so I'm unclear as to why you made them a part of this discussion. I don't own either, nor do I have a desire to. Although when Queen Lucy was in NJ in 2003, I had an opportunity to fire an FBI-owned H&K sub-machine gun on the indoor pistol range. It was a real blast, but to do it regularly would require someone else's Gold American Expresss card! At $10 a box of 50 for 9mm rounds, the $$ go downrange pretty quickly. By the way, you are all welcome to come to the indoor pistol range with me when you are in South Jersey (outside Philadelphia). I suspect many of you have never had a chance to fire a handgun. You are welcome to do it safely, as my guests, if you wish to exercise that opportunity. Take care, Brian in NJ ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:20:45 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: RE: Download Joni's Fresh Air interview Wow this is wonderful, Les (aka sexy legs) thanks so much for sending this along! love db >>> "Les Irvin" 10/21/2004 3:37:03 PM >>> > Les, can you put a link to this on the JMDL page? When I > click on that link on my Mac it starts playing it and doesn't > give me the option to save it. To all with similar problems, try this link instead: http://jmdl.com/freshair.cfm This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:02:37 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc Brian Gross wrote: > >By the way, you are all welcome to come to the indoor pistol range with me when >you are in South Jersey (outside Philadelphia). I suspect many of you have >never had a chance to fire a handgun. You are welcome to do it safely, as my >guests, if you wish to exercise that opportunity. > > > I don't . But in all seriousness, i would like to hear why you find so thrilling. I would really like to know what makes people enjoy using these weapons. I am not trying to be clever here, I really would like you to try an explain what it is about guns that you enjoy. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:35:07 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: For Vince: Eminem on voting -- NIC, McG From a new interview in Rolling Stone, Eminem on voting: "This is the first year Ibve registered to vote. And Ibm gonna vote. Bush is definitely not my homie, but Ibm still undecided. Kerry has been known to say some things thatbs caught my attention, made a few statements Ibve liked, but I donbt know. Whatever my decision is, I would like to see Bush out of office. I donbt wanna see my little brother get drafted. He just turned eighteen.B I donbt want to see him lose his life.B People think their votes donbt count, but people need to get out and vote.B Every motherf**kinb vote counts." From << http://www.drudgereport.com/flashrs.htm >> I love it: "Every motherf**kinb vote counts." That Eminem! What a guy. My grandmother would have said "he's got a fresh mouth on him." And by the way, Vince, in case no one has told you, you were mentioned at the NE Jonifest this year in the Sugarpants skit, which, through the magic of theater, took place far in the future at the Joni Mitchell Home for Aging Children. When Donna asked whatever happened to you, Lori answered that you were at the Eminem Home for Motherf**kin' Old Dudes. For those who don't know, Sugarpants is an all-women Jonifest act that is now three years old. They are always hilarious, but never nearly as funny as they were the first year they performed -- when they sang. XO, - --Smurf "I'm voting for tight trousers to make a comeback -- yes!" - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:42:49 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc I asked: > Firepower makes all other rights possible? Brian replied: > That is NOT what I said. Please don't misquote me. > I said: >> The Second Amendment confers the right that makes all other >> rights possible. I apologize for misquoting you. Can you please explain what you mean by your statement? Brian also wrote: > There are also many dangers inherent in drinking alcohol and driving a motor > vehicle too. But nobody is calling for banning cars or whiskey (again). Apples and oranges. (Or butter and guns.) > As far as automatic rifles and bazookas go, they are both already highly > regulated, so I'm unclear as to why you made them a part of this discussion. > I don't own either, nor do I have a desire to. I'm glad you don't desire to own automatic rifles and bazookas, Brian. As for why I made them a part of the discussion, that was because many people who are pro-gun and NRA members cannot seem to understand that there must be limits -- yes, controls -- on guns. Those folks seem to believe that, because many other people want to limit ownership of assault weapons and et cetera, someone is going to come and take all their guns away. Meanwhile, those same folks vote for the Republicans, who are behind the Patriot Act, which damn sure WILL take your guns away if they think you're not in agreement with them. Catch-22. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:44:58 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Kerry hunting geese, njc Colin, declining Brian's invitation to shoot at the indoor gallery, wrote: > I don't . But in all seriousness, i would like to hear why you find so > thrilling. I would really like to know what makes people enjoy using > these weapons. I am not trying to be clever here, I really would like > you to try an explain what it is about guns that you enjoy. "Oh the power and the glory ..." Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:52:02 EDT From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise!" Hello Joni and Jonifest fans everywhere Donna Binkley and Michael Paz announce the future of Jonifest 2005. We have been working over the last few weeks to come up with a new concept for Jonifest and a way to stretch out our time together to make it even more attractive for the people who are coming from far away. This is our concept: Friday, November 11, 2005 PreFest gathering in New Orleans, Louisiana on November 11, 2005 Dinner and informal music at the home of Michael Paz in Destrehan, Louisiana. Transportation will be provided to and from downtown New Orleans where guests can stay at the Le Cirque Hotel (a lovely boutique Hotel) on Lee Circle ( 8 blocks from the French Quarter). Room rates for a double will be approx $79.95 + tax. Round trip transportation will be provided my limo bus for approx $15 per head and there will be two trips coming and going from the Paz household to the hotel. " If we get too many people to be comfy in Paz's house we will make another plan for this night. Saturday, November 12, 2005 Early evening Prefest gourmet dinner out on the town of New Orleans with Chef Adolfo Garcia at Rio Mar Restaurant. The price of all inclusive dinner will be $65 per person and include five courses including tapas, soup, salad, main course, wine and gratuity. Pazfest Too!!! Yes I said I would never do it again but I lied. I will be have some help this time and will delegate some of the responsibilities to some dear friends including Mr. Howie Kaplan the owner of Howlin' Wolf . This will be an evening of music by mostly National and New Orleans artists, and WILL include some of the artists from the JMDL. The format will change from the previous time so that the flow is quicker and we can have more music. Tentative times are 9pm-2am. $10 Donation to benefit the Ruth Paz Foundation Burn Clinic. This would also be the CD Release party for the long awaited PazFest Volume 3 disc. And YES we will be recording that night as well so I guess there will be a Volume or so to come. Sunday, November 13, 2005 Through Sunday November 20, 2005 Jonifest on the High Seas! (any puns are purely accidental) Carnival Cruise Lines Conquest Ship presents Jonifest 2005. 7-Day Western Caribbean Itinerary Depart New Orleans Sunday Nov. 13 Monday-Fun Day at Sea JMDL Members Performances, Tuesday-Fun Day at Sea JMDL Members Performances Wednesday-Montego Bay, Jamaica 9am-5:30pm Thursday-Grand Cayman 7am-4pm Friday-Cozumel, Mexico-10:30am-6pm Saturday-Fun Day at Sea-JMDL Members Gourmet Dinner and Farewell Performances Sunday-New Orleans 8am Our Cruise Consultant Monica Andrews is fabulous and would set up a web site for sign ups etc. and take off a lot of the pressure of dealing with all of that from the JMDL volunteer pool. You can go to http://carnival.com/Ship_Detail.aspx?shipCode=CQ to check out the huge beautiful boat. JMDL Member performances will be scheduled in one of the many entertainment venues on board and we will have access to PA equipment, piano, etc. I will be bringing any other equipment like a 88 key digital piano, drums, etc. at no extra charge. I will be taking a tour of the ship on December 5 to try and scope out places for us to gather and have parties as well as private areas for us to congregate informally. I am told there are many places that would lend themselves to hang out and play acoustic guitars etc. During the day we could have run of any of the entertainment night spots for our own use of parties, rehearsals, workshops, etc. I thought it might be fun to offer up a night of participation from other people on the cruise that could come in and perform Joni songs etc. This thought could be developed in a Joni Karaoke, other cruise folk participation, etc. type deal. This might draw out some of the closet singers we have in our group as well. We would still have a raffle and still do a fundraiser for the JMDL and still be interested in doing workshops etc, but there is not point in going into all of that at this time till we find out the number of people that want to do this so we can see if it is feasible. The idea of doing this as a fundraiser came up cause the Cruise Specialist asked if we were a 501 ) 3 (which the RPF is). Carnival is very generous to do something like the matching funds thing. If anyone feels uncomfortable with this arrangement we do not have to do this part. We can eliminate my charity all together if people think that we should not do that. If you are interested in participating with this trip please send an email to me at michaelpaz@aol.com as well as djb@binkleybarfield.com so we can get an accurate count of those interested. Also please go to jonifest2005cruise@yahoogroups.com to sign up for the discussion and planning of this trip. In order to get this pricing and enable us to plan properly we will open this up for pre-registration for the period of one week. After that we will keep the discussion in the yahoo groups list and get going with deposits etc. Once again our Cruise Consultant Monica Andrews is fabulous and will set up a web site for sign ups etc. and take off a lot of the pressure of dealing with all of that from the JMDL volunteer pool. You can go to http://carnival.com/Ship_Detail.aspx?shipCode=CQ to check out the huge beautiful boat. Here are the prices below Departs Sunday, November 13, 2005 for seven nights Category 4A - Inside Cabin on Riviera Deck with possible upgrade to higher deck $445 pp ($35 goes to Ruth Paz Foundation - Carnival will match $35) Category 6A - Oceanview on Riviera Deck with possible upgrade to higher deck $595 pp ($35 goes to Ruth Paz Foundation - Carnival will match $35) These cabins are on Empress Deck. Category 8A balcony cabin $745 pp ($35 going to Ruth Paz Foundation) - Carnival will match $35) The Category 11 and Category 12 cabins are balcony suites. Rates are $1225 and $1825 pp (with $35 to Ruth Paz Foundation - Carnival will match $35) Additionally, port charges, taxes and government fees will run $175.40 per person. Gratuities will run $10pp per day = $70 pp Optional insurance = $129 per adult/$59 per child under 16 I should be back online soon from my regular email address. I have been absent since about October 13, 2005. Till then right at the aol address. Hope all is well! Love Paz and Donna (still arguing over who is going to be Issac and Julie) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #431 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)