From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #425 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 18 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 425 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Tribute to Joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Frampton ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2004 #424 ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC [colin ] Archives Link ["willytheshake100" ] Re: Electoral College projections, njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: wnyc.org studio archive John Kelly as Joni Mitchell [mags h ] Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc ["mackoliver" ] Re: unity, njc ["ron old mweb" ] Re: unity, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: unity, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Joni & Parody [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Re: Electoral College projections, njc [] Red Sox Win!!!!!!! (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Today's Library Links: October 18 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:24:26 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Tribute to Joni Sunday September 7th @ 7pm $10 proceeds benefit Keep the Beat (keeping music in our local elementary schools) SOhO Santa Barbara www.katebennett.com for details, phone, address I've been doing this for 4 years. our last tribute to the Beatles was simply amazing. our 45 minute finale with Kenny Loggins, Jeff Pevar, Randy Tico. rocked the house ya'll . & not only blew the audience but also the musicians themselves away. sooo.. It just keeps getting better I am hoping we'll be celebrating a change of regime! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:34:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Frampton >He's nearly bald, mostly retired, and living in Cincinnati, Ohio. Honest.< This makes me so sad to remember this story... he showed up at a benefit in my town about a decade or so ago & they wouldn't let him in ( I found out later)... the same benefit where james burton was willing to play but didn't get too... you know james burton? Guitar player extrordinaire... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:40:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2004 #424 >Many, many people are saying it's all down to turnout.< The turnout is happening , but some accounts say one (there may be more) of the orgs hired by republicans (national party which most republican's I know say do not represent them any more) ripped up their registration ballots - if they were dems- so when they show up to vote... ???????????????????? please make sure you are registered if you are a new voter... or sign up to monitor the elections. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:39:49 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC Susan Guzzi wrote: >I too see you and John as married, Colin. However, I must agree with Mike - if you don't have that piece of paper when the time comes you are SOL (shit out of luck). Unfortunately, as many of you know - I have experienced this first hand. When I lost my lover, after all I sacrificed and did to battle with her and her disease/addiction - I got screwed by the system and her family. Not only as far as insurance and funeral rights or arrangements. But my house was also gone over and rummaged through. Something I allowed thinking it was only fair to let them have some of her stuff. But what I was left with and had taken from me left me financially and emotionally crippled - paralyzed for years. All the things Robin gave to me and arranged for me to have were totally ignored - once the family came through my doors. > This makes my blood boil. I know you are not the only person who has been treated with such evil. We spent money with lawyers getting ourselves protected-power of attorney, wills. Hopefully watertight. We are assured it is even if in the unlikely event either family went to court. > > > > >And for the record - I DO intend to marry Megg and move to Connecticut. We plan to do the deed just over the state line - in Mass. - the state that does, at this point recognize love between two women or two men. > Brilliant! > > >Finally, I have to ask - exactly HOW does my marriage threaten a straight marriage? > It doesn't. > Was a time the gay community was put down and chastised for not being monogamous and for having multiple partners. > Conveneiently forgetting how str8 people behave...high divorce rate, high extra marital affair rate, high teen pregnancies, multiple sex partners...... > So now that we are more evolved or conform - however you look at it - it appears that was never really the issue. > I would say evolved..... > Its really all about hate and prejudice > yep > - simply put intolerance. > mmm....except we don't need to be tolerated..you tolerate bad uncomfortable things you can't change..... > > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:40:50 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Intelligent Riddle, njc, pc LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: >Subject: Intelligent Riddle > > thanks for the Sunday morning giggle! - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:40:47 +0100 From: "willytheshake100" Subject: Archives Link Thanks Brian for posting that archives link. Laughed so at Joni's All I Want. Had to listen several times. Her laugh puts such a smile on my face. A treat indeed. WtS >You can find the show archives at: > http://www.wnyc.org/studio360/archive.html > 10/16/04 show > about 8:20 into the show > > A real treat to hear John again > And especially to hear Joni's comments > > Give it a listen! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:08:30 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Electoral College projections, njc **Maybe not since the Left has driven off Bob S. First you guys drove off Sarah from Saskatoon, and now Bob. Jim, I think this is a REALLY crappy statement. When people leave it's because they CHOOSE to do so, not because the "Left" has "driven them off". Unless you know something I don't, Bob S isn't driven off; he's a Joni-only and again that's his choice. I sincerely resent your choice of language here and still believe the JMDL to be the most inclusive of any discussion list that I've been a part of. Bob NP: Janice McHenry, "The Circle Game" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 05:39:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: re: wnyc.org studio archive John Kelly as Joni Mitchell If you haven't checked this out...do so...it's amazing. Especiallly Shadows and Light....wow. Sherelle, you will love this! John Kelly talked about the night Joni showed up in the audience. The comparision; it was like scultping in front of Michaelangelo. "John Kelly jars your senses ... and you're blindsided by how beautiful Joni Mitchell's songs really are." http://www.wnyc.org/studio360/archive.html around the 8:20 mark. now listening to Mail Art : cover story, all about the power of letters, with guest Jhumpa Lahiri . (author of the Namesake). You can find this down the page on the above link. Mags, a big fan of hand written letters. if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:35:58 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: unity, njc Marianne wrote: I am now living with a sweet kind, loving, beautiful woman, who happens to be a republican... Yesterday, as a joke . . I came home from work and found two Bush/Cheney signs on my front lawn! Hi Marianne, Now wait a minute... I thought you were living "with" this dear woman. Yet you say, "...signs on MY front lawn!" Isn't it her lawn too since you both are living there? And you wrote: I know for certain the UPS guy saw them (such a nice guy), he drove by before I could get them down You took Bree's signs down?! You sound so Republican Marianne! I put a Kerry sticker on our car, and my Republican husband tore it off after it had been on only minutes. I said to him, "Just like an uncaring Republican." I hope Bree has more signs or that you didn't destroy the ones you tore down. I'm definitely not for Bush, but I'm for freedom of speech and for equality for lovers sharing a residence. Where else is Bree going to put up her signs? I know you let her put the food she likes in the refridgerator... meat, perhaps? Dead animals? Is that okay just because it is hidden? Hmmmm? he's going to think I m a republican. (oh no! not that.) Well then where's your Kerry sign? And what about the Kerry sticker I gave you? Wink. Maybe the UPS guy and everybody else will find out you are living with a "sweet kind, loving, beautiful woman, who happens to be a republican..." as you say. I think it is great when people voting for Kerry are in love with and live with people who are voting for Bush. We are such a divided country... maybe unity can begin in households like yours and mine. I challenge you to put Bree's signs back up for her. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:43:30 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Frampton, njc Jim wrote: He's nearly bald, mostly retired, and living in Cincinnati, Ohio. Honest. Hi Jim, Frampton... cool. Reminds me of some of my favorite lyrics as an alcoholic: "Whose wine, what wine, where the hell did I dine?" LOLLLLL oh my! Such memories! .... or non-memories! LOLLLL Sorry, a little alcoholic humor coming out here. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:16:49 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc Mike, So nicely put here. . . and hearing it like this, is poignant.. . . >Bush and Kerry's remarks make it clear that this >discrimination is OK with them. Your statement pretty much sums it up. Thanks, Marianne ps. "liberty and Justice for all," anyone? Which reminds me . . . . as a teacher, I am confronted with saying or not saying the pledge of allegiance at school every day. . . (you know, the "with liberty and justice for all thing." I also don't feel right about professing to god in a public school.) Well, I stand for the pledge but I do not recite it. I tell my kids that I don't believe there is liberty and justice for all in this country.. . but I tell them that one might want to recite it as a dream or kind of prayer or something they can hope for. I require them to stand, but they don't have to recite it. I have encouraged them to pledge to something meaningful as they stand there. I have told them that I pledge to earth and to my family and to being a good teacher to them and stuff like that. Whether of not this is right, I don't know. . it is just what I have chosen to do. Marianne Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:44:29 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC >>I do consider myself married, 23 yrs and 3 mths now.<< >Colin, I am happy that you consider yourself married and congratulate you >and John on these 23 years together. My question is about the difference between you considering yourself married and the state, or an airline, or an insurance company considering you to be married. Is there any way in which your 'marriage' is considered 'invalid' or 'less' than a heterosexual marriage and does this have a negative impact on you and John in some way? I guess that the answer is 'yes' and therefore I would say that you may consider yourself married until the cows come home but you, and many other people, will always be considered - legally speaking - as in some way 'inferior' to straight married couples. Bush and Kerry's remarks make it clear that this discrimination is OK with them.< _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:35:32 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: unity, njc >>Yesterday, as a joke . . I came home from work and found two Bush/Cheney >>signs on my front lawn! >You took Bree's signs down?! Yes, dear. . she put them up as a joke. >I hope Bree has more signs or that you didn't destroy the ones you tore >down. I'm definitely not for Bush, but I'm for freedom of speech and for >equality for lovers sharing a residence. Where else is Bree going to put >up her >signs? She can put them wherever the heck she pleases, but not where I live. . and if she objected to Kerry signs in the front lawn, I wouldn't put them there either. (btw, I don't have Kerry signs on the front lawn). >I challenge you to put >Bree's signs back up for her. No thanks. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:41:05 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc I don't think it's that simple Mar. Even if John Kerry has different views on the subject of gay marriage than he espouses publically he isn't able to pronounce them. If he did, he would not be elected, simple as that. I find a little white lie to get into office for the greater good much more beneficial than publically stating that he is all for gay rights if the end result is that we have to suffer through 4 more years of the beast. And I know what he thinks of homos as he made it very clear while governor here. I like John Kerry and don't believe for a second that he has anything against homosexuals. A small step? Maybe, but at least a step. mack > Mike, > > So nicely put here. . . and hearing it like this, is poignant.. . . > > >Bush and Kerry's remarks make it clear that this > >discrimination is OK with them. > > Your statement pretty much sums it up. > > Thanks, > > Marianne > > ps. "liberty and Justice for all," anyone? > > Which reminds me . . . . as a teacher, I am confronted with saying or not > saying the pledge of allegiance at school every day. . . (you know, the > "with liberty and justice for all thing." I also don't feel right about > professing to god in a public school.) > > Well, I stand for the pledge but I do not recite it. I tell my kids that I > don't believe there is liberty and justice for all in this country.. . but I > tell them that one might want to recite it as a dream or kind of prayer or > something they can hope for. > > I require them to stand, but they don't have to recite it. I have > encouraged them to pledge to something meaningful as they stand there. > I have told them that I pledge to earth and to my family and to being a good > teacher to them and stuff like that. > > Whether of not this is right, I don't know. . it is just what I have chosen > to do. > > Marianne > > > > > Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:44:29 +0200 > From: "mike pritchard" > Subject: Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC > > >>I do consider myself married, 23 yrs and 3 mths now.<< > > >Colin, I am happy that you consider yourself married and congratulate you > >and > John on these 23 years together. My question is about the difference between > you considering yourself married and the state, or an airline, or an > insurance > company considering you to be married. Is there any way in which your > 'marriage' is considered 'invalid' or 'less' than a heterosexual marriage > and > does this have a negative impact on you and John in some way? I guess that > the > answer is 'yes' and therefore I would say that you may consider yourself > married until the cows come home but you, and many other people, will always > be considered - legally speaking - as in some way 'inferior' to straight > married couples. Bush and Kerry's remarks make it clear that this > discrimination is OK with them.< > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:43:13 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: unity, njc I agree wholeheartedly Mar. I could live with my yard having no signs in it but a Bush sign. I couldn't live there. mack > >>Yesterday, as a joke . . I came home from work and found two Bush/Cheney > >>signs on my front lawn! > > > >You took Bree's signs down?! > > > Yes, dear. . she put them up as a joke. > > > >I hope Bree has more signs or that you didn't destroy the ones you tore > >down. I'm definitely not for Bush, but I'm for freedom of speech and for > >equality for lovers sharing a residence. Where else is Bree going to put > >up her > >signs? > > She can put them wherever the heck she pleases, but not where I live. . > > and if she objected to Kerry signs in the front lawn, I wouldn't put them > there either. > (btw, I don't have Kerry signs on the front lawn). > > >I challenge you to put > >Bree's signs back up for her. > > > No thanks. > > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:06:21 +0200 From: "ron old mweb" Subject: Re: unity, njc hi >>I challenge you to put Bree's signs back up for her. > > No thanks. Marianne mmmmm - i think you should plant a bush in your front yard. 6 feet under should be deep enough :-) ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:58:59 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: unity, njc Ron wrote: mmmmm - i think you should plant a bush in your front yard. 6 feet under should be deep enough :-) LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:05:44 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: unity, njc Marianne wrote: and if she objected to Kerry signs in the front lawn, I wouldn't put them there either. (btw, I don't have Kerry signs on the front lawn). Hi Marianne, I put a Kerry sign in our front yard. Robert has been a lot more compassionate after the bumper sticker rip off episode (which btw was on the car he only rarely drives) and didn't have a problem with me putting the Kerry sign up. He just said he will put a Bush one up too, but he hasn't yet, and I seriously doubt he will go to the trouble to get one... we will see! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:21:01 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni & Parody <> Brian, I did and it was fantastic! I've read about John Kelly and his show several times but had never heard him actually perform. I had goosebumps. Not only his voice hit right on but the music was exactly right. He must have been studying those open tunings! Unbelievable. Thanks for the link. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:38:13 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Re: Electoral College projections, njc When someone disagrees from the conservative side, it's often backed up with facts and historical perspective. It's intellectual but in return, they get personal slams. When a centerist, like me, says something about it (once), out comes the emotional language like "this is a REALLY crappy statement". Immediately. The default response is an insult. Yeah, the JMDL has a lot of inclusive aspects but my opinions is the open attitude doesn't include conservatives. The JMDL is a parallel universe where Republicans are in the closet. Fair enough. You've had your say and I hold to my opinion. I'm still voting for Kerry. Anybody wanna talk about the polls? I hope it doesn't come down to Florida again. Another mess like '00 would alienate the very people who need to speak up and I think many would give up for good, citing "corruption". All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu Jim in Kentucky said, >> **Maybe not since the Left has driven off Bob S. First you guys drove off >> Sarah from Saskatoon, and now Bob. > Bob in South Carolina said, > Jim, I think this is a REALLY crappy statement. When people leave it's > because they CHOOSE to do so, not because the "Left" has "driven them off". > > Unless you know something I don't, Bob S isn't driven off; he's a Joni-only > and again that's his choice. > > I sincerely resent your choice of language here and still believe the JMDL > to be the most inclusive of any discussion list that I've been a part of. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 01:26:12 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Red Sox Win!!!!!!! (njc) Red Six win in the 12th- 5 hours and two minutes...longest game in ALCS history. Game 5 today at 5 pm eastern!!!!!!!!! Go Sox! Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 02:07:04 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 18 On October 18 the following articles were published: 1996: "Words and Music - Joni Mitchell and Morrissey" - Reprise Records (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=678 2000: "Joni with an "I"" - Observer Review (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=581 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #425 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)