From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #424 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, October 17 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 424 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- two grey rooms ["dfrench" ] Re: two grey rooms [Nuriel Tobias ] My Mother In Law [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC ["mike pritchard" ] Joni does Montreal? ["Patti Parlette" ] RE: Joni does Montreal? ["Richard Flynn" ] Fw: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC ["ron old mweb" ] Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC [Henry Harrison ] Hippies, [] Frampton [] Frampton [] NPR, Studio 360, 'Parody', John Kelly, NJC ? [Richard Goldman ] John Kelly quote correction [NJC] [Richard Goldman ] Johnny Loves Joni [NJC] [Richard Goldman ] Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! ["Mark or Travis" ] Today's Library Links: October 17 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC [Susan Guzzi Subject: two grey rooms what was the story on this song i remember only a sad relation ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 02:26:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: two grey rooms A german film by what's-his-bloody-German-name-director, that told the story of a a very rich high-society-kind-of-gay-man who fell in love with a man who was a hard-day worker in a factory, but was afraid of letting him know this - the factory man wasn't gay. (and btw, i think it's a common mistake that i read here that the factory guy was also gay - he was not!:::))))) The rich guy got so obsessed with it, that he left his fancy house, and secretly rented a small 2-rooms flat near the factory with a window facing the street leading to the factory, so he could watch the other guy every day, twice - when he came to the factory early in the morning, and we he left it in the evening. Nuriel Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 04:02:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: My Mother In Law My Mother In Law - -------------------------- My mother in law She's a blood bitch, even worse She's a stalker by our house She's an ancient Jewish curse She thought her son would bring her papers From the city hall Till she found out he's gay, what a mess My mother in law Keeping away my happiness She's my first call every morning She's my nightmare at the end of the day She's the sickening voice I ever heard Shut that sickening voice, shut it for God sakes baby She thought her son would bring her papers From the city hall Till she found out he's gay, what a mess My mother in law Keeping away my happiness But when she's gone Me and my husband go "At last!" We start to dance And laugh until we blast Then she knocks at our door And she starts complaining 'bout her husband and us And she tells me I'm her trouble And she tells me I'm a worthless piece of ass She thought her son would bring her papers From the city hall Till she found out he's gay, what a mess Oh yes, my mother in law Keeping away my happiness But when she's gone Sun starts to shine and there's no more rain The world seems lovely well, at least till she calls again My mother in law She's a middle-classed old witch She's the snake inside our garden She's my nervous-system itch She's still waiting for that bloody piece of paper From the city hall Gay or not, she couldn't care less Oh no, it's my mother in law again Would someone please keep her away from me? Thanks. Nuriel Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:44:29 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC >>I do consider myself married, 23 yrs and 3 mths now.<< Colin, I am happy that you consider yourself married and congratulate you and John on these 23 years together. My question is about the difference between you considering yourself married and the state, or an airline, or an insurance company considering you to be married. Is there any way in which your 'marriage' is considered 'invalid' or 'less' than a heterosexual marriage and does this have a negative impact on you and John in some way? I guess that the answer is 'yes' and therefore I would say that you may consider yourself married until the cows come home but you, and many other people, will always be considered - legally speaking - as in some way 'inferior' to straight married couples. Bush and Kerry's remarks make it clear that this discrimination is OK with them. mike in barcelona NP Anouar Brahem Trio - Halfanouine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:01:58 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC mike pritchard wrote: >>>I do consider myself married, 23 yrs and 3 mths now.<< > > > > Colin, I am happy that you consider yourself married and congratulate > you and John on these 23 years together. My question is about the > difference between you considering yourself married and the state, or > an airline, or an insurance company considering you to be married. Is > there any way in which your 'marriage' is considered 'invalid' or > 'less' than a heterosexual marriage and does this have a negative > impact on you and John in some way? I guess that the answer is 'yes' > and therefore I would say that you may consider yourself married until > the cows come home but you, and many other people, will always be > considered - legally speaking - as in some way 'inferior' to straight > married couples. Bush and Kerry's remarks make it clear that this > discrimination is OK with them. > > > > mike in barcelona > > NP Anouar Brahem Trio - Halfanouine > > > Your are correct Mike. of course my considering myself married is purely an emtional thing, not a legal reality. I do think that is about to change here in the UK, december I think. However, as usual, it is going to be ahlf hearted. Pension companies will not be obliged to treat us liek a married couple, civil union or not. i.e. they will not be legally obliged to pay the surviving partner the pension... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 10:52:10 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: writing on Joni in high school Yeah, yeah, I'm almost 30 digests behind, and finally had the time to read one from late September. When I read Patti's missive about Joni and high school, I just wanted to say that my youngest son came home from high school the other day, and said they read Joni's "Woodstock" in English class while studying poetry, and he didn't even have a scowl on his face while mentioning it!! He added that his teacher then played the CSN version because he liked it better. One small step for Jonikind! :-) Hugs, Ashara, {writing because you guys are the only ones who would understand} ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:48:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Lakota - The Version I Never Heard Before I still haven't heard The Begining of Survival. A friend of mine, Yoav, who's the only other Joni-maniac i know in our town, was here today and we played a cdr he burned (random Joni songs, nothing to do with the album mentioned above) with Lakota in it. So. I'm listening to this song that i've heard like zillion times before - and it's not the same version as in CMIARS at all. There's a total diferent take of Joni's lead voice, not the take that got released on CMIARS, and no doubt all other chanells have been remixed. What is this? Is this the version that's on TBOS? Are there other songs on TBOS that are not the same versions as in the original albums and got remixed? Nuriel vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:10:01 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc >I wish Kerry would have the gumption to stop this "I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman" nonsense, but I would also like to see him elected.< that is the thing that irritates me the most about both kerry & Edwards... that they cling to this argument whether it is by deep religious belief or playing politics... either way it makes me cringe when the topic comes up... I think it is important to be critical of our leaders where we disagree with them or see them playing politics is important... even while we support them... I think if kerry & edwards are elected it is only one small step away from the abyss... we'll have many more rivers to cross before our world is the way it can be... but making this particular statement (about cheney's daughter) any singular comment/issue more important than the whole package (when choosing how to vote) is a mistake imo... not that anyone has said that but it has been implied that this may have hurt kerry... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:46:51 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc Very good point, EM. I don't think Bush supports civil unions, does he? >>and Kerry doesn't think she deserves the same rights either. >but Kerry at least supports civil unions, right? where Bush doesn't? >Its not a perfect solution, but I feel that allowing civil unions would >go a long way towards getting the ball rolling towards FULL equal >rights. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:51:10 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: kerry, njc >Marianne, are you considering voting for someone other than Kerry/Edwards? >Just >wondering. >Lori Please Lori. . . . you simply must get to know me better! : - ) I am definitely voting for Kerry/Edwards! I Would never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever vote for Bush!!!!!! Yuck! I am now living with a sweet kind, loving, beautiful woman, who happens to be a republican. I never thought I could love a republican, like this . . . but I do. I am not going to change her mind and she's not going to change my mind . . this is pretty much a given. . . Yesterday, as a joke . . I came home from work and found two Bush/Cheney signs on my front lawn! Imagine that! I almost jumped out of my car with it running to get them the hell out of there! : -) The fact that they were out there for one hour is an embarrassment. :-) Even though we live on a dead end street and probably only one person saw them. . I know for certain the UPS guy saw them (such a nice guy), he drove by before I could get them down he's going to think I m a republican. (oh no! not that.) The only chance we have to build coalitions in the world and to promote true world peace and not an attempt at international domination is to elect John Kerry. . . such a crucial election . . a crucial time. . a true turning point in our history. We have got to elect John Kerry. Love Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:43:36 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni does Montreal? Emiliano wrote: Hi, dears! Is this true? (apart from Patti's JMDL University, of course!) ><><><><>< Joni Mitchell is getting an honorary doctorate! Check it out: McGill Dean of Music Dan McClean announced that the Faculty of Music will honour retired singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell with an honorary doctorate on October 27, as part of the Faculty9s 100th anniversary celebration. (from www.mcgilldaily.com) ><><><><>< Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano - ---------- Is it true? Do you think she will be there? Does anyone know more about this? I went to mcgilldaily.com but couldn't find anything. Do you think it would be open to the public? Inquiring heart and minds want to know more! Catherine: is this your alma mater, or was it Laval? Just think, those of you who have never seen Joni could get your chance! I saw Joni in Montreal once (Summer of 1974). To see her there again, in 2004, would be just too.............I am at loss for words. Muchas gracias, querido Emiliano! Ooh la la! Oh, my heart be still! Proud headed Queen Lizzie Patti (not wanting to be a stalker, but sheesh...what an opportunity!) _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:07:06 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni does Montreal? Here's the link: http://www.mcgilldaily.com/view.php?aid=2941 and here's the text: In addition, Dean of Music Dan McClean announced that the Faculty of Music will honour retired singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell with an honorary doctorate on October 27, as part of the Faculty's 100th anniversary celebration. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Patti Parlette Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 4:44 PM To: joni@smoe.org; ncassady2@yahoo.com; emilianopd@mundo-r.com Subject: Joni does Montreal? Emiliano wrote: Hi, dears! Is this true? (apart from Patti's JMDL University, of course!) ><><><><>< Joni Mitchell is getting an honorary doctorate! Check it out: McGill Dean of Music Dan McClean announced that the Faculty of Music will honour retired singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell with an honorary doctorate on October 27, as part of the Faculty9s 100th anniversary celebration. (from www.mcgilldaily.com) ><><><><>< Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano - ---------- Is it true? Do you think she will be there? Does anyone know more about this? I went to mcgilldaily.com but couldn't find anything. Do you think it would be open to the public? Inquiring heart and minds want to know more! Catherine: is this your alma mater, or was it Laval? Just think, those of you who have never seen Joni could get your chance! I saw Joni in Montreal once (Summer of 1974). To see her there again, in 2004, would be just too.............I am at loss for words. Muchas gracias, querido Emiliano! Ooh la la! Oh, my heart be still! Proud headed Queen Lizzie Patti (not wanting to be a stalker, but sheesh...what an opportunity!) _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:16:12 +0200 From: "ron old mweb" Subject: Fw: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC hi well - i didnt see/hear/read the comments in question so i cant comment specifically. we have had some instances of politicians playing the gay card here tho - & at the moment its fairly effective. if politician a says politician b is gay it alienates the right wing from b if b gets upset & threatens to sue - it alienates the left wing from him - a gets up & says why are you upset - whats wrong with being gay?? yet another reason to despise politicians.............. ron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:51:42 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: my jonipages - help? Hi Pat, i checked out your page and it works well even on my parents old, slow PC. I really like that b & w picture of young joni on the homepage. The only thing that is not great (cos i did love it!) is that teh font on the first page is very similar in colour to the great bg picture you're using and it can be hard to read. Your site reminds me of the way the internet used to be when i started using it all those years ago:-) Fans put up sites that they actually built themselves. It was always a joy to search for hours on topics of interest and find fan sites like this - topics of new interest would unravel slowly; i would learn different things from different people; see different sides of passion for the artist; and meet interesting people by emailing the webmaster. Now it is not so common. I always seem to find only official sites, product geared sites, and other very commercial sites that are overloaded with fancy graphics and slick production that are not necessarily easy to navigate (oki - massive generalisation i realise). Anyway, well done. I like it. GARRET np- Paul Simon, Kathy's Song - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:29:43 +1300 From: Henry Harrison Subject: Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC Bob wrote: > > > Well, in the USA a heterosexual relationship gets recognized as a legal > > "common-law marriage" after a period of time ... Hell wrote: >I guess you're doing better than us in that respect, then! I don't profess >to be an expert on these matters, and things may have changed here since the >case I mentioned (which admittedly was a few years ago). If anyone in NZ is >reading this (and I know you're out there!) I hope you'll correct me if I'm >wrong I believe that earlier law meant that a man and woman living in a 'de-facto' relationship in New Zealand) qualified for all the legal protections of marriage after two years, unless they contracted out in some way. Main impact was on tax and benefit status and on property on breakup of the relationship. >But we're in total agreement that the laws need to change (in both >countries) if "every" person is to be considered equal. George Orwell said >it best: Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others! > >Hell Certainly agree with the need for change. Not much christian charity in evidence in respect of the repsonse to the proposed laws here. Cheers Henry - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:51:38 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Intelligent Riddle, njc, pc Subject: Intelligent Riddle > >George Bush meets with the Queen of England. He asks her, "Your Majesty, how >do you run such an efficient government? Are there any tips you can give to >me?" > >"Well," says the Queen, "the most important thing is to surround yourself >with intelligent people." > Bush frowns. "But how do I know the people around me are really >intelligent?" > >The Queen takes a sip of tea. "Oh, that's easy. You just ask them to answer >an intelligent riddle." The Queen pushes a button on her intercom. "Please >send Tony Blair in here, would you?" > >Tony Blair walks into the room. "Yes, my Queen?" The Queen smiles. "Answer >me this, please, Tony. Your mother and father ha ve a child. It is not your >brother and it is not your sister. Who is it?" > >Without pausing for a moment, Tony Blair answers, "That would be me." > >"Yes! Very good," says the Queen. > >Bush goes back home to ask Dick Cheney his vice president the >same question. > >"Dick, Answer this for me. Your mother and your father have a child. It's >not your brother and it's not your sister. Who is it?" > >"I'm not sure," says Dick Cheney "Let me get back to you on that one." >Cheney goes to his advisors and asks every one, but none can give him an >answer. Finally, he ends up in the men's room and recognizes Colin Powell's >shoes in the next stall. Cheney shouts, "Colin! Can you answer this for >me? >Your mother and father have a child and it's not your brother or your >sister. Who is it?" Colin Powell yells back, "That's easy. It's me!" > Cheney smiles, and says, "Thanks!" Then, Cheney goes back to speak with >Bush. "Say, I did some research and I have the answer to that riddle. It's >Colin Powell." > >Bush gets up, stomps over to Didk Cheney, and angrily yells into his >face, >"No, you idiot! It's Tony Blair!" > >MAY GOD BE WITH YOU DURING THIS ELECTION. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:26:49 -0500 From: "P. Henry Boland" Subject: Re: my jonipages - help? yup, "all those years ago:-)", that's me to a T. LoL! at my age, everything seems to be 'all those years ago'... anyway, thanks for the feedback. if each of the 'manyfaces' pages can be seen on a PC with lots of pics on them (not just one) then it's fixed. if it's just one pic and some links, then I still have some tinkering to do. regards, pat ps - I'll see what I can do about that font too... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Garret > Hi Pat, > i checked out your page and it works well even on my parents old, slow PC. I > really like that b & w picture of young joni on the homepage. The only thing > that is not great (cos i did love it!) is that the font on the first page is > very similar in colour to the great bg picture you're using and it can be hard > to read. > Your site reminds me of the way the internet used to be when i started using it > all those years ago:-) Fans put up sites that they actually built themselves. > It was always a joy to search for hours on topics of interest and find fan sites > like this - topics of new interest would unravel slowly; i would learn different > things from different people; see different sides of passion for the artist; and > meet interesting people by emailing the webmaster. > Now it is not so common. I always seem to find only official sites, product > geared sites, and other very commercial sites that are overloaded with fancy > graphics and slick production that are not necessarily easy to navigate (oki - > massive generalisation i realise). > > Anyway, well done. I like it. > GARRET > > np- Paul Simon, Kathy's Song > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 0:30:52 -0400 From: Subject: Hippies, Yeah! I'd like to "tour" a restored Laurel Canyon house. Imagine this: "Here are Joni's stained glass pieces which were in Time Magazine. Here's the kitchen where CSNY supposedly first sang together. Here's the piano where Nash wrote "Our House" and Joni wrote and wrote and wrote." The gift goes on, Lama Brian S said, >I was in Barnes and Nobles and saw a large coffee table book yesterday called HIPPIES Joni had three mentions in the rear index l page picture of a Happy Beautiful Joni looking out of a window in Laurel Canyon 2. Woodstock chapter mentions her song 3. James Taylor gets a large amount of print so Joni is again mentioned to have lived with him for a year up in Laurel Canyon. If there is ever is going to be a "Graceland " for Joni this house has got to be IT.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 0:35:38 -0400 From: Subject: Frampton He's nearly bald, mostly retired, and living in Cincinnati, Ohio. Honest. All the best, Jim From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC Hi Donna! Hmmm.....I wasn't sure but I knew it had to be a little racy to illicit that type of reaction in the audience each time he said it. Naughty Boy! Is there some sort of trivia site for him? Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 0:45:40 -0400 From: Subject: Frampton Sherelle, You're talking about Frampton speaking through the fuzz box, right? I have lousy hearing but I always "heard" him saying this to the Japanese crowd, "do you feel like i do? / do you feel / like i do? / good times / good times / good times / tonight / / i want to thank you" All the best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:18:41 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: NPR, Studio 360, 'Parody', John Kelly, NJC ? "one foot in pathos, one foot in revery" ... - John Kelly, on being Joni Mitchell. John Kelly was on "Studio 360" , which focused on 'parody', tonight, on KQED.FM tonight ... a local NPR station .... and Joni phoned in ...and commented. http://www.kqed.org/programs/radio/archive.jsp?progID=RD64 Perhaps they'll add it to their archives....Amy Poehler is featured....but ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 0:58:16 -0400 From: Subject: duplicate vocals I doubt it, Anne. Is LaunchCast one of those online music services that makes familiar music sound watery and riddled with echo? It could be newly revealed detail from the latest remastering but I think the Clouds disc was a very spare recording. I don't have an early CD of "Clouds" to compare though. Maybe RR, or Simon, or Jerry would be willing to compare a pre-HDCD version to an HDCD one and report back. What say ye? Were multi-tracked vocals 'obscured on Clouds'? [nyuck, nyuck. Pink Floyd pun.] All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu >From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: duplicate vocals I'm listening to LaunchCast radio. The version of BSN from Clouds is playing. I can hear the duplicate vocals used to give Joni's vocal more depth. I've never noticed this before and I've listened to this song with headphones hundreds (maybe thousands?) of times. Has anyone else noticed this? Or am I finally actually paying attention after all these years?> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:31:11 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: John Kelly quote correction [NJC] "My favorite place to be is with one foot in irony, one foot in pathos, because that's life." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:28:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: NPR, Studio 360, 'Parody', John Kelly and Joni You can find the show archives at: http://www.wnyc.org/studio360/archive.html 10/16/04 show about 8:20 into the show A real treat to hear John again And especially to hear Joni's comments Give it a listen! Brian - --- Richard Goldman wrote: > "one foot in pathos, one foot in revery" ... - John Kelly, on being > Joni Mitchell. > John Kelly was on "Studio 360" , which focused on 'parody', tonight, > on KQED.FM tonight ... a local NPR station .... and Joni phoned in > ...and commented. > http://www.kqed.org/programs/radio/archive.jsp?progID=RD64 > Perhaps they'll add it to their archives....Amy Poehler is featured....but ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 1:43:00 -0400 From: Subject: Electoral College projections, njc I guess we might have a thread about statistically analyzing the projected Electoral College counts. Maybe not since the Left has driven off Bob S. First you guys drove off Sarah from Saskatoon, and now Bob. So, Jennie G., it's up to you. What do you say? Two statisticians predict a Kerry victory but three statisticians predict Bush will be re-elected. Many, many people are saying it's all down to turnout. They all agree that the popular vote is a dead tie, within the statistical uncertainty. Of course the popular vote means nothing. These figures are for amusement and nail-biting purposes only. No animals were harmed while collecting these polls. Ever in the center, but hoping for a HUGE turnout this year, Lama Bush wins (257:243) http://www.electoral-vote.com/ Oct 16: Kerry wins (275:252) Andrea Moro, University of Minnesota http://www.econ.umn.edu/~amoro/Research/presprobs.html Oct 16: Bush wins (281:257) Sam Wang http://synapse.princeton.edu/~sam/pollcalc.html BTW, popular vote is tied within 0.7% which is well within the statistical uncertainty. Oct9: Kerry wins (284:254) http://binomial.csuhayward.edu/WeeklyStatus.html Oct 12: Likely Electoral College result: Bush wins (281:257) Projection Tossup 22: Bush 273: Kerry 243 Chances of winning: Bush 94.7%, Kerry 5.3 http://arrowheadengineering.com/ BTW, I give this guy extra points for mentioning astronomy even though he misspelled "caught". He said, >Sam Wang's http://synapse.princeton.edu/~sam/pollcalc.html which I noticed around the beginning of August really cought my eye. Astronomers have been using likelihood analysis for decades to combine dissimilar data sets with totally different systematics and wide margins of error.> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:23:15 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Johnny Loves Joni [NJC] Here's the actual link, to the RealPlayer archive of the radio show, out of NYC. Studio 360.. tonight's installment. http://www.wnyc.org/stream/ram.py?file=studio360/studio101604a.ra&start="08:14.0"&end="217:12.0" I know it doesn't look like a link, but if you copy and paste the whole thing (including the quotation marks) into your browser, you will get the stream.... preceeded by a little 17 second NPR promo...followed by the almost 10 minute piece oh John and Joni. It's wonderful! "For nearly 20 years, John Kelly has been performing as Joni Mitchell. In heels and a blond wig, the 6-foot-tall Kelly takes to the stage and sings for an adoring audience - an audience that occasionally includes Mitchell herself. Mitchell tells Sharon Lerner what it's like to watch yourself from the audience. " http://www.wnyc.org/studio360/show.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:46:15 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! Sherelle Smith wrote: Shadows and Light has the dream team of stage bands though. > It's the very best for me? Anyone have any other live favorites? A little slow in responding here but feeling the urge to chime in. I agree, Sherelle, Shadows and Light is a stellar recording and one of the highpoints of Joni's career. I remember watching the video on either Showtime or HBO back when they first aired it. I think I saw it two or three times. I tried to catch as many showings of it as I could. I also dearly love Miles of Aisles. Other favorite live albums: Judy Garland - Judy at Carnegie Hall The Pointer Sisters - Live at the Opera House Bette Midler - Live at Last Jefferson Airplane - Bless Its Pointed Little Head Rickie Lee Jones - Live at Red Rocks Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:08:34 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 17 On October 17 the following article was published: 2002: "Sheryl Crow, Norah Jones & Others To Play Stormy Weather Walden Woods Benefit" - Launch.com (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=937 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:36:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC I too see you and John as married, Colin. However, I must agree with Mike - if you don't have that piece of paper when the time comes you are SOL (shit out of luck). Unfortunately, as many of you know - I have experienced this first hand. When I lost my lover, after all I sacrificed and did to battle with her and her disease/addiction - I got screwed by the system and her family. Not only as far as insurance and funeral rights or arrangements. But my house was also gone over and rummaged through. Something I allowed thinking it was only fair to let them have some of her stuff. But what I was left with and had taken from me left me financially and emotionally crippled - paralyzed for years. All the things Robin gave to me and arranged for me to have were totally ignored - once the family came through my doors. I also do not like that Kerry agrees with Bush on the marriage issue. But I do think he is more compassionate - a word not known in Bushdom - and does make the understanding of civil unions as a compromise. The thing is I don't like to compromise my life when others don't have to. And now getting ready to take a big leap again and starting a new life with someone after 6 years - I do worry about a repeat when the day comes one of us passes. Funny when I talk to Megg about this she says "OMG Soozee - my family would never do that to you." Funnier - Robin said the same thing. And for the record - I DO intend to marry Megg and move to Connecticut. We plan to do the deed just over the state line - in Mass. - the state that does, at this point recognize love between two women or two men. Finally, I have to ask - exactly HOW does my marriage threaten a straight marriage? Was a time the gay community was put down and chastised for not being monogamous and for having multiple partners. So now that we are more evolved or conform - however you look at it - it appears that was never really the issue. Its really all about hate and prejudice - simply put intolerance. Peace, Susan (enjoying the weekend off from civic duty - via jury duty) mike pritchard wrote: >>I do consider myself married, 23 yrs and 3 mths now.<< Colin, I am happy that you consider yourself married and congratulate you and John on these 23 years together. My question is about the difference between you considering yourself married and the state, or an airline, or an insurance company considering you to be married. Is there any way in which your 'marriage' is considered 'invalid' or 'less' than a heterosexual marriage and does this have a negative impact on you and John in some way? I guess that the answer is 'yes' and therefore I would say that you may consider yourself married until the cows come home but you, and many other people, will always be considered - legally speaking - as in some way 'inferior' to straight married couples. Bush and Kerry's remarks make it clear that this discrimination is OK with them. mike in barcelona NP Anouar Brahem Trio - Halfanouine ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #424 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)