From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #423 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, October 16 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 423 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: dinosaurs, etc., NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC ["hell" ] Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc [vince Subject: RE: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC Bob wrote (in response to Colin): > **All I > want is to be protected under law the same as husbands and wives are. > > And that should not be so much to ask, should it? No, it definitely shouldn't. NZ has both a Civil Union Bill and a Relationships Bill before Parliament right now (www.civilunions.org.nz), and while there is a lot of opposition to both (mostly from the religious right) the polls seem to indicate the majority of people are in favour, and I'm hopeful that both will be passed eventually. Of course the "gay" issue is the biggest bone of contention, despite the fact that both Bills are not specifically about gay/lesbian relationships, and heterosexual de facto couples will be by far the largest group to benefit from this legislation if it's passed. Bob, I know of a similar situation to that of your sister, except that it involved a woman and a man. This woman never married her (male) partner of ten years, who then left her for another woman. She was left with three children and no means of support (the house was also in his name) - and no protection under the law. She had never worked (apart from raising their children - one of the hardest and least recognised jobs in the world!) so her earning potential was very limited. At least if the Relationship Bill had been in effect, she would have had some recourse under the law. I just wanted to make the point that this is not just a gay/lesbian issue - it affects a lot of heterosexual people as well, something that seems to get overlooked in the majority of the debates on the issue! I'm not saying it's not important for gay and lesbian couples (far from it), but they won't be the only ones to benefit. Hell - who can't quite believe she just posted a "PC" message to the JMDL, but there's a first time for everything! _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 12:00:12 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC Bob wrote: > Well, in the USA a heterosexual relationship gets recognized as a legal > "common-law marriage" after a period of time (in SC it's 7 years > I believe), so > in the case you cite the woman would have had full recourse as > if she was > legally married. A same-sex relationship does not get that entitlement. I guess you're doing better than us in that respect, then! I don't profess to be an expert on these matters, and things may have changed here since the case I mentioned (which admittedly was a few years ago). If anyone in NZ is reading this (and I know you're out there!) I hope you'll correct me if I'm wrong. But we're in total agreement that the laws need to change (in both countries) if "every" person is to be considered equal. George Orwell said it best: Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others! Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:02:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC **George Orwell said it best: Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others! And he also said "Big Brother is watching you"...he just predicted it 20 years too early! Bob NP: Ani, "Blood In The Boardroom" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:21:00 +0100 From: tantra_apso Subject: Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC hell wrote: > She had never worked (apart from raising their >children - one of the hardest and least recognised jobs in the world!) > Parenting and teaching are the most important jobs in the world, imo. Both hard to do and both have dire consequences when not not done right. They both have the power to alter the world we live in. They both have created the world we live in. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:43:19 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc >Regardless of Cheney's response to John Edwards. . . The references to Mary Cheney's lesbianism feels TO ME to have been said to diminish Bush and Cheney.< I assumed kerry made it because it had already been brought up in the vp debate... perhaps it was meant to be diminishing of bush & cheney (isn't anything at this point in the political game about that?) but to me Bush & cheney have already diminished themselves by how they are making this an issue... kerry at this point is only pointing it out... or am I missing something? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 23:11:54 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc Find it admirable that a presidential candidate would allow himself to be in the middle of the talk about homosexuals at all. As for gay marriage, never thought it was that big of a deal. I don't really want what they have although the spousal benefits and such is something that should be available to all. Nevertheless, it isn't going to happen anytime soon. Agree with Joni on the piece of paper business. As for the amendment to ban gay marriages, typical hypocrisy. Obviously all this hatred and opposition is based on the teachings of the Bible although they forget to take into account that it also teaches one man, one woman. Of course, they will never admit that or limit heterosexuals to one marriage because they want to preserve the sanctity of marriage. A farce no doubt. As for me, I know what I have and don't need their recognition or approval and lawyers can take care of the wills and such. But this is Texas and benefits for me or my guy from the company ain't ever gonna happen, at least not in this lifetime. mack np: luther - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Rizzo" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc > >perhaps Cheney accepts his daughter but still doens't think she deserves > >the same rights as every >one else? I think that is worth bringing up. > > >colin > > > Hi Colin, > That is worth bringing up. . > > and Kerry doesn't think she deserves the same rights either. > > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to > School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 23:41:13 -0500 From: "P. Henry Boland" Subject: Re: my jonipages - help? thanks moni, I made the changes according to your direction. it looks fine on my mac but I can't really tell if it's going to show on a PC. I could use some feedback on that..? both pages are linked here: http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ thanks again for your help. best regards, pat - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moni Kellermann" > > about who could tell me how to fix it > The path to the images is wrong. Replace the all the links that go like with ... > moni > (photographer and html geek) - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:16:30 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc Jerry Notaro wrote: >> >> > >I am as sensitive to these issues as anyone, but don't think Mrs. Cheney >isn't playing politics. > It is time to remember that it was Eminem who wrote the timeless classic lyric: "Fuck you Mrs. Cheney." among other things he has rapped about her... Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:20:24 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Kerry's comment about Cheney's daughter, njc PC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >Well, in the USA a heterosexual relationship gets recognized as a legal >"common-law marriage" after a period of time (in SC it's 7 years I believe), > depends on the state. Michigan has no common law marriage. Each state sets its own policy. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 02:05:04 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 16 On October 16 the following articles were published: 1985: "Joni Mitchell Takes Up Topicality" - New York Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=908 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Patriot Ledger (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=243 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Dayton Daily News (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=97 2001: "Mitchell, Atwood will see stars " - Toronto Sun (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=683 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #423 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)