From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #420 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 14 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 420 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: A Silly Question - and it's answered! (but still no joni on this one) [Nuriel Tobias ] can we pretend "shawls" ends with a "z"? [Em ] Re: Dolly's voice, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: no joy in Muddville (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! ["Sherelle Smith" ] RE: Joni's Lovelife 2004 ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Joni's Love life 2004 [Jerry Notaro ] Re: njc using the church ["Steven Polifka" ] Re: Joni (?) and Judy on Dolly's upcoming CD ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni in Politics (amusing tiny amount of JC) NJC now ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Joni's Lovelife 2004 [Em ] Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Joni's Love life 2004 [Jerry Notaro ] Amusing bumper sticker njc [Brian Gross ] Re: njc using the church, Bible Fallacies ["Steven Polifka" ] Re: Joni's Love life 2004 [Nuriel Tobias ] october 14!!!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: no joy in Muddville (njc) ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Joni in "Hippies" [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] re:using the church njc [colin ] Re: Joni's Love life 2004 [Jerry Notaro ] Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] october 14!!!!!! njc ["Anne Sandstrom" ] re:using the church njc ["Steven Polifka" ] Re: Joni in Politics (amusing tiny amount of JC) NJC now [Brian Gross ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] october 14!!!!!! njc ["Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: A Silly Question - and it's answered! (but still no joni on this one) Thank you Gary and Tim, The song is indeed "How'd you like to spoon with me". Your's both cool, guys:) Thanks again, Nuriel vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 01:06:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Joni's Lovelife 2004 Does she have any these days? Will she ever fall in love again? Did she give up on the idea of having a husband/lover/loveife for the rest of her life? How come that a woman who claimed that, and i quote "My goal who's to find out what love is all about", is now sharing her bedroom with a dog and some cats? Is Joni cursed? Is this some sort of punishment? Is it her own choice? Myrtle's? Do you find it sad? Funny? "Help me understand". Yours, Nuriel vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 04:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: can we pretend "shawls" ends with a "z"? I have been straining my brain tryingt o find that "code" thing you all were doing a few days ago, finding a Joni-line that starts w/first letter of first name and ends w/last letter of last name. Problem (for me) is not that many lines end with "z", as my last name does (and those of a good chunk of the Spanish-named). Soooooo, if we could let it slide that the "s" on the end of shawlz is a "z" then I'm in business with: "Estrella circus girl comes wrapped in songs and gypsy shawlz". I'm really "reaching" there, huh? lol, sorry... And really, I have to thank Lori that I even realize the song says "Estrella" - as I always thought the words were "a stray up"...lol, she showed the lyrics. So anyway thats my story and I'm sticking to it. Had to do something, cuz, not last night but the night before kept pointlessly running through lyrics as I was trying to sleep, looking for something, but to noooooo avail. Kept me awake. :) Em ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:15:07 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Dolly's voice, njc Hell wrote: I've never been a big fan of Dolly's voice (although I like some songs), Hi Ya'll, Has anybody ever played a Bruce Springstein LP on 45 (or 78?) instead of 33 and noticed how it sounds like Dolly? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:21:17 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: no joy in Muddville (njc) Can't keep those Red Sox down. I think they're going to come back Friday and make this a contest. Maybe they can drive Kevin Brown to punch his other hand into the wall. Take down the Evil Empire!!!!!!!! Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:40:21 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! Hi Ron!!! I am so happy S&L is your favorite live CD too! You have some interesting other picks that I will try to listen to as well! I love live recordings so much! It feels like I am there! so now I am going to put on S&L again this morning at work!!! It makes me happy!!!! Thanks for sharing! Sherelle NPIMH-Edith and the Kingpin-S&L version >From: "Ron" >To: "Sherelle Smith" , >Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:27:31 +0200 > >hi > > > >>>sherelle wrote > >>>> Okay, for the umpteenth time, I have to say again that this CD is my >"most favorite" Joni CD.............. Anyone > > >well - s&l is my most favorite joni album - so its also my most favourite >album ever... > >other live albums i love > > laura nyro at the bottom line > paul simon live rhyming (with jessy dixon singers) > emmylou harris - live on the bbc (radio recording) > richard thompson (i can never remember the venue!!)(bootleg) > mary chapin carpenter at the wolf trap (dvd)( a double sided dvd you >have to turn over halfway through like a vinyl record - ive never come >across another one like it) > michelle shocked - irving plaza new york (shocking sound from a lo-fi >audio stream but a great show) > all those live judee sill mp3s some kind lister pointed us to a while >back > sonia dada live > concert for bangladesh (i will be forever jealous of the listers who >were there........) > joan baez - ring them bells > & i half love joan baez - diamonds & rust in the bullring - the second >half of the album where she sings in spanish > maria muldaur - classic live > joni mitchell - a day in the garden > joni mitchell - gene autrey museum > second chapter of acts with phill keaggy - how the west was won > > > >ron > > > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:51:16 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC Hi Bob! I must get "War Live" and listen to it immediately! My favorite song fromt them is "All Day Music" which I could listen to all day! I watched Bruce Springsteen on simulcast the other night when he was at my place of employment, the MCI Center (couldn't get a ticket!). I would go see Bruce anytime, anywhere! He was awesome!!!!! I love "Frampton comes Alive" as well!!!! Again, I felt like I was right there whenever I listened to it! I've always wanted to know what exactly he was saying during his tubal guitar solo that always made the audience break into a roar each time he said it. I will test your memory now Bob! All I could ever get was "I want to....." and the audience would roar. Just curious! Sherelle >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:49:58 EDT > > >**Anyone have any other live favorites? > > > >Boy, that's an awfully high bar for ANY live record to live up to, >Sherelle >- it's my favorite Live recording too, I'd have to say. "War Live" is >right >up there as well, and if I want southern boogie and jams gimme that >"Allman >Bros Live at The Fillmore East". > >And Bruce Springsteen 1975-1985 is a wonderful document, as is Live in >NYC, >but it's hard to capture his energy on disc. > >Hell, I'm still a sucker for Frampton Comes Alive after all these >years..."do you feel like we do-ooo". > >Bob _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:10:16 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE:Joni in Politics (amusing tiny amount of JC) That's great Mike!!! I love it!! My most heartfelt cause that I would definitely become a staunch supporter of is the issue of Privacy Rights especially where it concerns the implanting of identification devices into the body. I'm all for someone wanting to do this if they choose, but I am so distrustful of the powers that be turning it into a Big Brother thing. I wonder how Joni would feel about it? Woudl she be for or against it in your opinion? (Please excuse the can of worms AND the Pandora's Box now opening! Smile!) Sherelle Mike wrote: I was at our organizations office in Paradise, California today (it's about 20 miles east of Chico and 90 miles N. of Sacramento). No, I'm not making this up! There is a town of 30,000 called Paradise, California! Anyway, I saw a funny election poster. I have no idea what propisition O is, but the sign said: No on O, Don't Pave Paradise! _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:26:50 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: In their own words, njc This was printed in my local newspaper: City Newspaper, Rochester NY October 6-12, 2004 "In their own words" "I believe demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cake walk" -defense Policy Board member Ken Adelman, 2/13/02 "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction" -vice president, Dick Cheney, 8/26/02 "We do know that (Saddam) is actively pursuing a nuclear weapon." -National Secutriy Advisor, Condoleeza Rice, 9/10/02 "It is not knowable how long that conflict would last. It could last, you know, six days, six weeks. . . I doubt six months." -Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, 2/7/03 "We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon." -Deputy Secretary of Defense, Paul Wolfowitz, 3/27/03 "We know where (the weapons) are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Bagdad and east, west, north and south somewhat." -Rumsfeld, 3/30/03 "Iraq will not require sustained aid." -O.M.B. Director, Mitch Daniels, 3/28/03 "Major Combat operations have ended." -President George Bush, 5/1/03 _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:23:59 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: Joni's Lovelife 2004 How come that a woman who claimed that, and i quote "My goal who's to find out what love is all about", is now sharing her bedroom with a dog and some cats? Is Joni cursed? Is this some sort of punishment? Is it her own choice? Myrtle's? Do you find it sad? Funny? How do you know she's not sharing her life with someone? Does she have to alert the media if she goes out on a date? Victor NP: REM "High Speed Train" Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:37:41 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's Love life 2004 > How come that a woman who claimed that, and i quote "My goal who's to find > out what love is all about", is now sharing her bedroom with a dog and some > cats? Is Joni cursed? Is this some sort of punishment? Is it her own > choice? Myrtle's? Do you find it sad? Funny? > It's called getting older. Just wait, Victor. It will happen to you! Jerry :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:38:16 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: njc using the church Vince, If I am at all angry it is because I was brainwashed by religious dogma at an early age. (Lutheran- a spin-off of the Catholic church). Even then I never understood the 'we are the only true religion' crap they used to spout (What, EVERYONE else is or is going to hell???) . Upon my discovering my sexuality, that posed another quandry when relating to the church. It's only been recently that I discovered all the info about the canonization of the church. Man picked and chose the chapters of 'God's' book. (Let's not for get the thousands of interpretations, translations and the like...) Hmm... And even now, when the church blasts gays and anyone who doesn't fit with their views on marriage and sex (should I go into how many 'christians' engage in pre-maritial sex now or later- which IS a sin, isn't it???) like to quote from the old testament in a book that, what, within a verse or so also dictates what foods not to eat, yet I see no one giving up shrimp or clams or lobster!!!! You can't have it both ways, yet THEY want to! It was also the church that tried Galileo for heresy. (And Copernicus?)Stifled science for like a century and a half- from what, 1400 to 1550? Ah, like that made a difference... How many men are running to be priests and ministers? How can you keep a straight face to teach some of those dogmas that science has blown out of the water several times??? (Why the feck were DINOSAURS never mentioned in the Bible? So are they a figment of our imagination?) Someone told me the church , one day, will be irrelevant. They are fighting for survival, but are loosing ground... NOW: I believe that the Bible has a lot of good things to offer, but I have yet to see anyone really live by what they preach. In the movie Short Curcuit, where Johnny 5 comes to life by a bolt of ligthning, the robot states that it is wrong to kill. His creator asked him "Who told you that?" J5 anwered: "I told me." I think that right and wrong is known to all of us, at birth. The question is, do we listen to ourselves or follow the path of our peers? I also think most people want to be told what to do, how to live, how to act, how to decorate their house (Sorry, I've watched too much Trading Spaces...) You know it never has been easy Wheter you do or do not resign whether you travel the breadth of extremities Or stick to some straighter line... I know no one's gonna show me everything We all come and go unknown Each so deep and superficial between the foreceps and the stone... And so it goes... Steve >>> vince 10/13/04 09:36PM >>> Steven Polifka wrote: > This is amazing to you??? > Not amazing in a "wow I never guessed this would happen" but a very sad amazement that this corruption grows in new forms and when will they ever learn, when will they ever learn. > >The same church that protected child molestors (gay or straight), >created the Magdelene Launderies, outright changed some of their >religious views when there weren't enough butts in the pews, >and add saints whenever they choose??? > saints who are antiSemitic and violent, from the last round of beautifications. > >The same church that added or omitted 'books of the bible' at their >own discretion? > Not sure what you mean there outside of the canonical process - the problem is they ignore what is there. > >I can't respect a man-made construct that passes itself off as divine >providence. > >They are gonna talk about abortion and not about war??? >And shame on them !!! > Shame on them indeed. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:55:52 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni (?) and Judy on Dolly's upcoming CD >Dolly is no stranger to musical adventures, recently having a huge club hit with her recording of Peace Train, and a recent very successful Stairway to Heaven with a huge gospel choir. She is a shining example of defying Joni's over-generalizations about how the public, the media, and the record business treat older women.< I grew to admire dolly for her down to earth attitude, songwriting talent & spunk... however I think she is the polar opposite of joni in the older woman category... dolly looks fabulous in her own surreal way but I imagine she's had some work done... & how you look has everything to do with how the media & record biz treats you... joni is aging gracefully & looks her age & dolly just doesn't... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:03:36 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The tale of two worlds VLJC >the lecture was in the most beautiful round temple the lower drum was made of beautiful aged brick the Teepee spire above it was held up by massive sloping columns reach up 60 feet in the air it left me feeling I was with the elves in Rivendell about to discuss the fate of middle earth. This sounds amazing... is there a link to a picture anywhere so we can see? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:08:57 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni in Politics (amusing tiny amount of JC) NJC now >I was at our organizations office in Paradise, California today (it's about 20 miles east of Chico and 90 miles N. of Sacramento). No, I'm not making this up! There is a town of 30,000 called Paradise, California!< There is a paradise road near my house & they recently paved it... ! lol... no pink hotels or boutiques in site however... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:25:51 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC I've always loved S&L too and this year I just got to see the video of it for the first time. 2 other faves of mine: Joni's Miles of Aisles and CSN's 4-Way Street db >>> 10/13/2004 5:49:58 PM >>> **Anyone have any other live favorites? Boy, that's an awfully high bar for ANY live record to live up to, Sherelle - - it's my favorite Live recording too, I'd have to say. "War Live" is right up there as well, and if I want southern boogie and jams gimme that "Allman Bros Live at The Fillmore East". And Bruce Springsteen 1975-1985 is a wonderful document, as is Live in NYC, but it's hard to capture his energy on disc. Hell, I'm still a sucker for Frampton Comes Alive after all these years..."do you feel like we do-ooo". Bob This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:17:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni's Love life 2004 Jerry Notaro wrote: > How come that a woman who claimed that, and i quote "My goal who's to find > out what love is all about", is now sharing her bedroom with a dog and some > cats? Is Joni cursed? Is this some sort of punishment? Is it her own > choice? Myrtle's? Do you find it sad? Funny? > It's called getting older. Just wait, Victor. It will happen to you! Dear Jerry, (I've asked this question, not our friend Victor. np, anyways:)) Sorry, Jerry, but i can't see your point. My mother is older than Joni and has a husband whom she's still very much in love with. I know more than few old folks, men and women, straight and gay, who fell in love, and found someone to love them. Does getting older mean that all the love inside of you dies? I don't understand your point at all, my dear... Victor - you said something like why should Joni tell anyone if she's in love with someone? I agree. On the other hand, i think that if she'd had a lover, we wouldv'e SOMEHOW known about it by now, one way or the other. Is it our bussiness? Pardon me for my "shamelessness", but i think it is. Why? Well, wouldn't you like to know if Joni's cheating on "you" with someone?:) Love, Nuriel Jerry :-) Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:44:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: Joni's Lovelife 2004 yeah! she could have some REAL studly "back door man". Actually - sounds like great fun to me. :P Em - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > How do you know she's not sharing her life with someone? Does she > have to > alert the media if she goes out on a date? ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:53:13 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC I love "Frampton comes Alive" as well!!!! Again, I felt like I was right there whenever I listened to it! I've always wanted to know what exactly he was saying during his tubal guitar solo that always made the audience break into a roar each time he said it. I will test your memory now Bob! All I could ever get was "I want to....." and the audience would roar. Just curious! DB: Sherelle I love this album too. And (maybe it's just my dirty mind) but i always thought he was saying " I wanna f#@ck you". My favorite song on this album though is All I Wanna Be is By Your Side. db ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:52:54 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's Love life 2004 > yeah! she could have some REAL studly "back door man". Hmmmm. I'll take to please. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:55:58 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's Love life 2004 > Dear Jerry, > > (I've asked this question, not our friend Victor. np, anyways:)) > > Sorry, Jerry, but i can't see your point. My mother is older than Joni and has > a husband whom she's still very much in love with. I know more than few old > folks, men and women, straight and gay, who fell in love, and found someone to > love them. > > Does getting older mean that all the love inside of you dies? I don't > understand your point at all, my dear... My point is that as we age, one chooses, more than one needs. Nothing to do with love....... Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:36:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Amusing bumper sticker njc Given the diversity of preferences here on the jmdl, a bumper sticker on the car in front of me on the way to the post office this morning struck me as one that should be shared here. It read LICK BUSH AND DICK IN 2004 I don't necessarily agree with the political message, but that's another matter altogether. I for one would like to see the electoral college system either modified to be proportional to the actual popular vote in each state, or abolished altogether in favor of direct election by popular vote. No more of this 'swing state' bullshite. Let's see each voter's choice count for what it really is, ONE VOTER'S CHOICE among millions. Brian (in NJ, a toss-up state now) np: Eleanor McEvoy - Early Hours (her latest album) ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:59:43 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: njc using the church, Bible Fallacies This is taken from a website entitle Biblical Fallacies 101. Perfect amo for those who use that book a s a sword and shield to destroy others... There was actually a long dark tunnel period between the writings of the NT (New Testament) writings and them being treated as Holy Writ The first earliest papyri is Rylands P52 dated ca. l40 AD but this only has just 6 verses of John. In fact the first complete MSS of the NT are 4th century (Sinaiticus and Vaticanus). All NT writings were apparently written in Greek - not the language that Palestinian Jew would have used. There was clearly tampering with the text in this tunnel period - Eusebius admits this was so - H.E. 29.6-7. The differences between the Byzantine, Alexandrian and Caesarean text show copyists changed the text (eg. Acts 2:l7 in the Western text) The 3rd cent Christian writer Origen condemned such Christians for "their depraved audacity" in changing the text. and Jerome told Pope Damascus of the "numerous errors" that had arisen in the texts through attempted harmonising. In 1707 John Mill of Oxford listed 30,000 variants in the different N.T texts and at the beginning of this century with further discoveries of manuscripts, the scholar Herman von Soden listed some 45,000 variants in the N.T texts illustating how they were altered. Even in the one 4th cent Codex Sinaiticus containing all the N.T, Professor Tishendorf the discoverer, noted that it had been altered by at least three different scribes. Therefore this shows the present-day Bible is not a "inerrant copy" of the original writings, and secondly cannot be "God's inspired word" as presumably if this were so, God would have ensured such alteration could not have been made. NT WRITINGS. There is also the question of the writings in the New Testament canon which were not accepted by the early Christians (James, Hebrews, Revelation), but are now accepted, and that Christians reject the writings the early Christians did accept and used (eg. Hermas, Barnabas, the Didache). This in itself shows the church is not interested in sustaining the 'original faith' and has chosen the writings that suits its own teachings. This is all apart from the fact that the church did not even agree to the 27 writings now in the N.T. until Athanasius' Easter Letter of 367 AD, but even then, he STILL recommended the readingof non-canonical writings (eg. The Didache), and furthermore, the dispute continued right on to the 9th century, as is seen by the church lists of accepted writings. Steve, searching for the truth... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:03:55 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: Amusing bumper sticker njc Wasn't the electoral college created before mass communications? Like when PONY EXPRESS riders had to deliver the news of who won the election??? I agree, it should be abolished. Too bad it hadn't been before 2000... Steve >>> Brian Gross 10/14/04 10:36AM >>> Given the diversity of preferences here on the jmdl, a bumper sticker on the car in front of me on the way to the post office this morning struck me as one that should be shared here. It read LICK BUSH AND DICK IN 2004 I don't necessarily agree with the political message, but that's another matter altogether. I for one would like to see the electoral college system either modified to be proportional to the actual popular vote in each state, or abolished altogether in favor of direct election by popular vote. No more of this 'swing state' bullshite. Let's see each voter's choice count for what it really is, ONE VOTER'S CHOICE among millions. Brian (in NJ, a toss-up state now) np: Eleanor McEvoy - Early Hours (her latest album) ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:06:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni's Love life 2004 Jerry Notaro wrote: My point is that as we age, one chooses, more than one needs. Nothing to do with love....... Jerry Sorry, Jerry, i can only relate to sentences where one speaks of "I", as in "as i age". Once i hear that "we" something - i'm out. (Written with lots of respect and affection towards you, Jerry, need i even say:) Nuri vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:16:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: october 14!!!!!! njc happy birthday, maggie, my love and queen of all things culinary! let your dimples shine on me, daughter of aphrodite! love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:50:47 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: RE: no joy in Muddville (njc) > Can't keep those Red Sox down. I think they're going to come back Friday > and make this a contest. Maybe they can drive Kevin Brown to punch his > other hand into the wall. > > Take down the Evil Empire!!!!!!!! Oh yeah! I'd like to see Kevin Brown try to beat up on the Green Monster! We all know the Monster never loses... Plus then his hand would be broken AND green from the paint :-) Not that I wish ill on anyone (unless they wear pinstripes and especially if their name is Jeter, Rodriguez, Sheffield, or Matsui) but I digress... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:24:35 EDT From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: Joni in "Hippies" I was in Barnes and Nobles and saw a large coffee table book yesterday called HIPPIES Joni had three mentions in the rear index 1. Full page picture of a Happy Beautiful Joni looking out of a window in Laurel Canyon 2. Woodstock chapter mentions her song 3. James Taylor gets a large amount of print so Joni is again mentioned to have lived with him for a year up in Laurel Canyon. If there is ever is going to be a "Graceland " for Joni this house has got to be IT. NP Jenny Goodspeed This Flight Tonight Jonifest 2002 Peace, Love and Hope Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:23:35 +0100 From: colin Subject: re:using the church njc Steven-the bible has no authority other than that which individuals give it. No church has any authority other than that which individuals give it. No minister of any church or any religion has any authority other than that which indivuals give them. They are all just working with ideas. Some have good motives for promosting their ideas, others do not. People don't do things because they are 'xtian' or 'jewish' or 'hindu' or 'muslim', they do it because it suits them to do it. They don't believe things because of the religion they have chosen but because they themselves have chosen to do what they do or belive what they do. There is no 'divine' right to their beliefs or actions. They don't believe that women are the subjects of men, that homosexuality is evil, that slavery is acceptable,that children are property, that other religons are evil, because their religion tells them so but because they themselves believe this is so and they themselves find it acceptable to hold such beliefs. Yet they lack courageand so blame it on their God. they also lack understanding of themselves and how they think. YOUR ideas are the ones that should count to you. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:35:21 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's Love life 2004 > Jerry Notaro wrote: > My point is that as we age, one chooses, more than one needs. Nothing to do > with love....... > > Jerry > > Sorry, Jerry, i can only relate to sentences where one speaks of "I", as in > "as i age". Once i hear that "we" something - i'm out. > > (Written with lots of respect and affection towards you, Jerry, need i even > say:) Which means, you are young, like Victor! The choosing is better than the needing. Believe me. I'm old! Xoxo Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:56:39 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC Hi Donna! Hmmm.....I wasn't sure but I knew it had to be a little racy to illicit that type of reaction in the audience each time he said it. Naughty Boy! Is there some sort of trivia site for him? Sherelle >From: "Donna Binkley" >To: ,, >Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:53:13 -0500 > >I love "Frampton comes Alive" as well!!!! Again, I felt like I was right > >there whenever I listened to it! I've always wanted to know what >exactly he >was saying during his tubal guitar solo that always made the audience >break >into a roar each time he said it. I will test your memory now Bob! All >I >could ever get was "I want to....." and the audience would roar. Just >curious! > >DB: > >Sherelle I love this album too. And (maybe it's just my dirty mind) but >i always thought he was saying >" I wanna f#@ck you". My favorite song on this album though is All I >Wanna Be is By Your Side. > >db > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:59:27 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC Hi Donna! How wonderful that others feel the same way about S&L! A question though...who played behind Joni in Miles of Aisles? Was it Tom Scott and the L.A. Express? Or was it my all time favorite all star band on S&L? Sherelle >From: "Donna Binkley" >To: ,, >Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:25:51 -0500 > >I've always loved S&L too and this year I just got to see the video of >it for the first time. > >2 other faves of mine: Joni's Miles of Aisles and CSN's 4-Way Street > >db > > >>> 10/13/2004 5:49:58 PM >>> >**Anyone have any other live favorites? > > > >Boy, that's an awfully high bar for ANY live record to live up to, >Sherelle >- it's my favorite Live recording too, I'd have to say. "War Live" is >right >up there as well, and if I want southern boogie and jams gimme that >"Allman >Bros Live at The Fillmore East". > >And Bruce Springsteen 1975-1985 is a wonderful document, as is Live in >NYC, >but it's hard to capture his energy on disc. > >Hell, I'm still a sucker for Frampton Comes Alive after all these >years..."do you feel like we do-ooo". > >Bob > > >This message has been scanned by the E250. > > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:01:30 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: duplicate vocals I'm listening to LaunchCast radio. The version of BSN from Clouds is playing. I can hear the duplicate vocals used to give Joni's vocal more depth. I've never noticed this before and I've listened to this song with headphones hundreds (maybe thousands?) of times. Has anyone else noticed this? Or am I finally actually paying attention after all these years? lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:02:49 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] october 14!!!!!! njc Happy birthday to our own JMLD chef! All the best and many more to you, Maggie! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:05:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni in "Hippies" now NJC LOL! you know, I would completely DROOL over this book, I bet. But then I think how *counter - hippie* a book like that really is. Such a total extraneous material possesion! Not condusive to lightening one's load! A coffee table book! Doesn't go well with hitchhiking, and takes up too much space in da microbus. :) but I'd love to see it.... Em - --- BRIANASYMES@aol.com wrote: > I was in Barnes and Nobles and saw a large coffee table book > yesterday called > HIPPIES Joni had three mentions in the rear index > 1. Full page picture of a Happy Beautiful Joni looking out of a > window in > Laurel Canyon > 2. Woodstock chapter mentions her song > 3. James Taylor gets a large amount of print so Joni is again > mentioned to > have lived with him for a year up in Laurel Canyon. > > If there is ever is going to be a "Graceland " for Joni this house > has got to > be IT. > > NP Jenny Goodspeed This Flight Tonight Jonifest 2002 > > Peace, Love and Hope > Brian > ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:24:46 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: re:using the church njc Colin, What's riling me up is this 'religious right' attitude popping up with the elections. So sick of their rhetoric! They still wouldn't be happy if the whole world were like themselves- that's what the real laugh is. Jeff says that complaining is the great american pasttime-lol! Thanks for the advice and confirmation. My ideas do count. This all goes back to my truest belief- that whatever you believe is true for you. So tell me this: why are they so insecure that they (Bible Thumpers) want to convert everyone??? Feeling a little insecure? Peer pressure? Not an independent thought in their heads? Let me quote: "Religion...can exercise a severe crippling and inhibiting effect upon the human mind, by fostering irrational anxiety and guilt, and by hampering the free play of the intellect". (Dr J C Flugel). "There are matters in the Bible, said to be done by the express commandment of God, that are shocking to humanity and to every idea we have of moral justice....". (Thomas Paine). "There is nothing more negative than the result of the critical study of the life of Jesus. The Jesus of Nazareth who came forward publicly as the Messiah, who preached the ethic of the kingdom of God, who founded the kingdom of God upon earth, and died to give his work its final consecration, never had any existence.. He is a figure designed by rationalism, endowed with life by liberalism, and clothed by modern theology in a historical garb..." (Dr Albert Schweitzer The Quest for the Historical Jesus). "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him; let us worship God through Jesus if we must - if ignorance has so far prevailed that this name can still be spoken in all seriousness without being taken as a synonym for rapine and carnage. Every sensible man, every honourable man, must hold the Christian sect in horror" (Thomas Paine. Age of Reason) Steve >>> colin 10/14/04 11:23AM >>> Steven-the bible has no authority other than that which individuals give it. No church has any authority other than that which individuals give it. No minister of any church or any religion has any authority other than that which indivuals give them. They are all just working with ideas. Some have good motives for promosting their ideas, others do not. People don't do things because they are 'xtian' or 'jewish' or 'hindu' or 'muslim', they do it because it suits them to do it. They don't believe things because of the religion they have chosen but because they themselves have chosen to do what they do or belive what they do. There is no 'divine' right to their beliefs or actions. They don't believe that women are the subjects of men, that homosexuality is evil, that slavery is acceptable,that children are property, that other religons are evil, because their religion tells them so but because they themselves believe this is so and they themselves find it acceptable to hold such beliefs. Yet they lack courageand so blame it on their God. they also lack understanding of themselves and how they think. YOUR ideas are the ones that should count to you. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:27:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni in Politics (amusing tiny amount of JC) NJC now Thre *is* a pink hotel in Northern Virginia, at the Eisenhower Metro station, the Holiday Inn. I wouldn't exactly call their gift shop a boutique, though. And the times I stayed there when we were installing the tvs in the guest rooms, the bar was not exactly a swinging hot spot, either. - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > >I was at our organizations office in Paradise, California today (it's > about 20 miles east of Chico and 90 miles N. of Sacramento). No, I'm > not making this up! There is a town of 30,000 called Paradise, > California!< > > There is a paradise road near my house & they recently paved it... ! lol... > no pink hotels or boutiques in site however... > ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:48:43 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni in "Hippies" now NJC It's pretty good book and relatively inexpensive. Barry Miles the Ginsberg and Kerouac biographer wrote the text. I love the irony of a coffee table book on Hippies. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Em Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:06 PM To: BRIANASYMES@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni in "Hippies" now NJC LOL! you know, I would completely DROOL over this book, I bet. But then I think how *counter - hippie* a book like that really is. Such a total extraneous material possesion! Not condusive to lightening one's load! A coffee table book! Doesn't go well with hitchhiking, and takes up too much space in da microbus. :) but I'd love to see it.... Em - --- BRIANASYMES@aol.com wrote: > I was in Barnes and Nobles and saw a large coffee table book > yesterday called > HIPPIES Joni had three mentions in the rear index > 1. Full page picture of a Happy Beautiful Joni looking out of a > window in > Laurel Canyon > 2. Woodstock chapter mentions her song > 3. James Taylor gets a large amount of print so Joni is again > mentioned to > have lived with him for a year up in Laurel Canyon. > > If there is ever is going to be a "Graceland " for Joni this house > has got to > be IT. > > NP Jenny Goodspeed This Flight Tonight Jonifest 2002 > > Peace, Love and Hope > Brian > ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:45:20 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] october 14!!!!!! njc Happy Birthday Maggie! Hope you have a wonderful day! Love Donna >>> wallykai@fibertel.com.ar 10/14/2004 11:16:54 AM >>> happy birthday, maggie, my love and queen of all things culinary! let your dimples shine on me, daughter of aphrodite! love, wally - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/9rHolB/TM - --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NortheastJonifest/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:56:28 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC It was Tom Scott and the LA Express. I'm sure you must have this album right? Your rendition of You Turn Me on I'm a Radio at Jonifest (2003?) sounded very close to the one on MOA which is my favorite version. db "Joni you have more class than Richard Nixon, Mick Jagger & Gomer Pyle combined into one!" "She's got more class than all 3 of those mother...." well you know... >>> "Sherelle Smith" 10/14/2004 11:59:27 AM >>> Hi Donna! How wonderful that others feel the same way about S&L! A question though...who played behind Joni in Miles of Aisles? Was it Tom Scott and the L.A. Express? Or was it my all time favorite all star band on S&L? Sherelle >From: "Donna Binkley" >To: ,, >Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:25:51 -0500 > >I've always loved S&L too and this year I just got to see the video of >it for the first time. > >2 other faves of mine: Joni's Miles of Aisles and CSN's 4-Way Street > >db > > >>> 10/13/2004 5:49:58 PM >>> >**Anyone have any other live favorites? > > > >Boy, that's an awfully high bar for ANY live record to live up to, >Sherelle >- it's my favorite Live recording too, I'd have to say. "War Live" is >right >up there as well, and if I want southern boogie and jams gimme that >"Allman >Bros Live at The Fillmore East". > >And Bruce Springsteen 1975-1985 is a wonderful document, as is Live in >NYC, >but it's hard to capture his energy on disc. > >Hell, I'm still a sucker for Frampton Comes Alive after all these >years..."do you feel like we do-ooo". > >Bob > > >This message has been scanned by the E250. > > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:30:22 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC **I will test your memory now Bob! All I could ever get was "I want to....." and the audience would roar. Just curious! Well Sherelle, I think it was open to interpretation...my gut feeling (I'm not on the PFDL so I don't know for sure) is that he was saying I want to Rock YOU but it was so fuzzy that those who wanted to hear the F-word heard it. As crazy as it sounds, the first thing I heard off of it was "Doobie Wah" which I loved enough to make me buy it the next day (for $4.99, I remember buying it at Schoolkids Records on Hillsborough Street). As for War Live - do look for it and check it out. It's available as a 2-CD set (even though it all fits on 1 CD, whassup with that?) and it always gets me grooving, I've heard it so many times now it's really in my blood. And I'm totally with you on "All Day Music", which is KILLER in this live show, not to mention the 18 minutes of "Slippin' Into Darkness"... Bob NP: Irma Schultz/Bird That Whistles, "This Flight Tonight" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:42:17 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Amusing bumper sticker njc **I for one would like to see the electoral college system either modified to be proportional to the actual popular vote in each state, or abolished altogether in favor of direct election by popular vote. Well, the only flaw with that is that then the heavily populated areas become the swing states, and everyone else falls off the map. Candidates hit NY & CA & TX and a couple of others, so not too different. I would like to see the electoral votes get divvied up instead of being all or nothing...in other words, NJ has 15 Electoral votes...instead of all 15 going to the winner, if one of the candidates wins by 75% they would get 10 of the electoral votes and so on. I'm not sure the results would be different, but it would provide encouragement for every vote to count. As would eliminating the electoral college altogether as far as that goes. Wouldn't it be refreshing to see 75-80% of our country engaged in the process? In 2000 turnout was 45% so we currently have a President who has a mandate from about 22% of the country. As much as we seem to enjoy hearing about "Freedom On The March", it's depressing when so many people don't take advantage of the freedoms in their own nation. No matter how you look at it, I think the process does need some tweaking. Bob NP: Sam Stephens & Anee Lennox-Martin, "Amelia" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:20:11 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC Really? No I don't have that CD and I never have. Wow! I'll check again but I'm pretty sure about that! That makes me feel really good!!!! Thanks! Sherelle >From: "Donna Binkley" >To: ,, >Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:56:28 -0500 > >It was Tom Scott and the LA Express. I'm sure you must have this album >right? Your rendition of You Turn Me on I'm a Radio at Jonifest (2003?) >sounded very close to the one on MOA which is my favorite version. > >db > >"Joni you have more class than Richard Nixon, Mick Jagger & Gomer Pyle >combined into one!" > >"She's got more class than all 3 of those mother...." well you know... > > > >>> "Sherelle Smith" 10/14/2004 11:59:27 AM > >>> >Hi Donna! > >How wonderful that others feel the same way about S&L! A question >though...who played behind Joni in Miles of Aisles? Was it Tom Scott >and the >L.A. Express? Or was it my all time favorite all star band on S&L? > >Sherelle > > >From: "Donna Binkley" > >To: ,, > >Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! NJC > >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:25:51 -0500 > > > >I've always loved S&L too and this year I just got to see the video >of > >it for the first time. > > > >2 other faves of mine: Joni's Miles of Aisles and CSN's 4-Way Street > > > >db > > > > >>> 10/13/2004 5:49:58 PM >>> > >**Anyone have any other live favorites? > > > > > > > >Boy, that's an awfully high bar for ANY live record to live up to, > >Sherelle > >- it's my favorite Live recording too, I'd have to say. "War Live" >is > >right > >up there as well, and if I want southern boogie and jams gimme that > >"Allman > >Bros Live at The Fillmore East". > > > >And Bruce Springsteen 1975-1985 is a wonderful document, as is Live >in > >NYC, > >but it's hard to capture his energy on disc. > > > >Hell, I'm still a sucker for Frampton Comes Alive after all these > >years..."do you feel like we do-ooo". > > > >Bob > > > > > >This message has been scanned by the E250. > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how >to >get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > > >This message has been scanned by the E250. > > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. 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