From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #413 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, October 10 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 413 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: My (Totally) Secret Place [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni on upcoming Dolly CD? [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Stop the Bushies - NJC PC [colin ] Re: Moist Towlettes -- NJC [colin ] Re: Moist Towlettes -- NJC [Emiliano ] The Sire Of Criticism (Britney's Sad Song) [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: The Sire Of Criticism (Britney's Sad Song)/lol NJC [Em ] RE: NJC Re: battling terrorism - NJC PC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Joni (?) and Judy on Dolly's upcoming CD ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: Msg from Jeb Bush NJC [colin ] Re: Joni (?) and Judy on Dolly's upcoming CD [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Country Music, njc ["Martin Giles" ] Guest vocals by Joni on upcoming Dolly CD (?) [est86mlm@ameritech.net] RE: karma NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Jack Hardy (NJC) [tinkersown@comcast.net] Make that BEALE St (NJC) [tinkersown@comcast.net] Re: NJC Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC [Bobsart48@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:06:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: My (Totally) Secret Place dsk wrote: I've always heard it as a seduction song, as an invitation to intimacy, rather than the Secret Place being something "out there" Dear Debra, I think the 'Secret Place' is described in the song: "Why did you bring me to A place so wild and pretty? Are there pigeons in this park Muggers after dark In these golden trees In the secret place?" So it's a some kind of a park with golden trees in it (i think?) Nuriel vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:44:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni on upcoming Dolly CD? Hummm...Let me guess...humm... but of course!...Face Lift!:) Nuriel BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: This is something I dug up in the Knoxville, TN newspaper (knownews.com). I suspect it's not quite right. I suspect that a Joni song may be covered on the CD but not that Joni will perform. But here's what it said: Many of the covers will appear on a new CD titled "Blue Smoke" that Parton is working on. Guests on the new CD will include Judy Collins and Joni Mitchell. Bryan vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:15:58 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Stop the Bushies - NJC PC Kate Bennett wrote: >>I do believe it is ethical to kill if by >> >> > > doing so you save the lives of millions. it is the only case I can think > > of where killing is justified.)< > >I disagree ... I have seen how karma works & it works on the big picture >level which we as humans do not have privy to... anyway killing someone just >makes them a martyr & empowers them even more... > > > That's okay. However, you can't know this for sure(abou tthe big oicture because as you say, you are not privy to it therefore it is just an idea). I came to my conclusion several years ago after having spoken at length with a Tibetan monk. Again the conclusion is just an idea. However, if someone had killed Hitler? Pol Pot? Ther is no spirtiual reward to be gained thru the suffering these men caused and I personally find the suggestion offensive. Karma is just another way of 1. blaming the victim and 2. believing in a foul God. I think those of us who think 'it is menat to be' or 'it's God's Will or 'it's karma' all share the same belief in a dreadful God. It is of course a simple answer and maybe makes us feel more secure. Bad things only happen to bad people and if they ahppen to a good person well then they must have been bad in previous incarnation. Tell that to the child dying from starvation in Darfur or from cancer or who is being abused daily-'it's you karma, it's menat to be'. Bollocks to that. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:20:27 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Moist Towlettes -- NJC Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > >Think about it. Joni Mitchell Moist Towelettes would be a wonderful way for >us fans to instantly freshen up, right? > > > they may not have Joni's face on them-thank god- ick! - but i ahve been suing these for a fair while. Just fro the last wipe and yes they work and leave one feeling refreshed...... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:42:42 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Moist Towlettes -- NJC Hi, Smurphy! It's a very interesting idea, IMO! Please, bring a bunch of these Joni Moist Towlettes on list! I'll try to contribute with a bunch of Warm Towlettes too!: maybe this way we can easy the temperature's rising here about the political threads this wekend! Love y'all, guys & girls, so please don't get tempted calling names on to another... Have a helluva of a time! Emiliano "you've only seen the crescent... I saw the whole of the moon." --Gov. Jim McGreevey - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: I think Joni has been marketed all wrong lately. > > She would have much more money, fame, and appreciation, in my opinion, if > instead of new compilations of old material, she sold Joni Mitchell Moist > Towelettes. > > Think about it. Joni Mitchell Moist Towelettes would be a wonderful way for > us fans to instantly freshen up, right? > > And once word got out about this terrific brand new product, everyone we know > would be buying Joni MItchell Moist Towelettes for us acknowledged Joni fans > as "joke" gifts -- so new Joni Mitchell Moist Towelettes would sell well right > off the bat. > > But here's where the real major league noggin work in this idea comes in: > whenever potential new Joni fans use new Joni Mitchell Moist Towelettes, along > with a quick and refreshing clean up, they'll get a not-so-subliminal reminder > to check out Joni's music. > > Always thinkin', > > --Smurf > > > "I could really go for that Smurf guy if he was, like, eighteen to twenty-one > years old, drop-dead gorgeous and hung like a prisoner." > > --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 04:39:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: The Sire Of Criticism (Britney's Sad Song) The Sire Of Criticism (Britney's Sad Song) - ------------------------------------------------------------ Let me squick let me spit out my silliness Bored by bliss and youth without pricks and weddings in haste Do you have ears? Can you hear like pop-fans hear? Why have you soured and curdled me? Oh you tireless woman! What have I done to you? That you make everything I sing and everything I do seem poo? Once I was blessed; I was awaited like Dion Like brains for the moron, like credit-cards for porn Kids heard my words, and they sought out my MP3's But now that Joni Mitchell dreamland bitch twists her tongue at me Oh you tireless woman! What have I done to you? that you make everything I sing and everything I do seem poo? (Antagonists: Joni is the sire of criticism) I've lost all taste for beer She's all complaints Tell me why do you hate my make up? Why do you crucify my legs? And you let the jmdl prosper You let them JoniFest every year And my fans are kids or babies, or they too dumb to hear (Antagonists: We don't despise your chastening Joan is correcting you) Oh and look who comes to counsel my deep distress Oh, these countless paparazies What carelessness! (Antagonists: Oh all those short skirts all those clips Filling her ears with trash) Breathtaking ignorance adding cash to my bank acount! She comes blaming and shaming (Antagonists: Evil doer) And shattering moi (Antagonists: This vain pop-star wishes to seem wise A girl born of producers) Oh you tireless woman! What have I done to you? That you make everything I sing and everything I do seem poo? (Antagonists: We don't despise your chastening) Already at the charts with zillion hits And still you torture me with your interviews You give me Aguilera dreams! Better I was carried from MTV straight to VH1 I see your fans waiting, they're yawning at my number one's (Antagonists: Joni is the sire of criticism Sure as the sparks ascend) Where is dope while you're wondering what went wrong? Who gave you the permission to quate my name in that TTT song ? (Antagonists: Stupidity is sweet in your mouth Hiding under your dress) Show your face! (Antagonists: What a mind filled with space) Help me understand! What is the reason for your heavy hand? (Antagonists: You're kissing with Madonna You have bad name now) Was it the Micky Mouse show? What have I done to you? That you make everything I sing and everything I do seem poo? (Antagonists: Oh your bad taste must weigh so greatly) Everything I sing and everything I do seems poo (Antagonists: Joni is the sire of criticism) Oh you make everything I sing and everything I do seem poo SORRY EVRYONE... Nuriel vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:53:43 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: omelet \AHM-lut\ noun We've talked about Joni's pronunciation of "clandestine," "peridots" and "jewels" before, but not about her 3-syllable "omelet," which happens to be today's Miriam Webster Daily Buzzword. I just hope she doesn't say "nucular." - --Smurf What is the Daily Buzzword for October 10? omelet \AHM-lut\ noun What does it mean? : beaten eggs cooked without stirring and served folded in half How do you use it? Carole liked to fill her omelets with fresh seasonal ingredients, such as asparagus in spring, zucchini in summer, and fennel in fall. Are you a word wiz? We can trace "omelet" (which is also spelled "omelette") back to its Latin roots in the word "lamina." What do you think "lamina" means? A. broken shell B. hot meal C. thin plate D. yellow mush Answer: An omelet resembles a thin plate, and that is what "lamina" means. The Romans used "lamella," a form of "lamina," to mean "thin metal plate." French speakers borrowed the word as "lemelle" and used it to mean "blade of a knife." Over time, the French word became "alemelle," then "alumelle," and later "alumette." It also acquired the meaning "dish made with beaten eggs," since such a dish resembled a thin plate or blade. In time, French speakers began to switch the "l" and "m" sounds so that "alumette" became "amelette." It finally became "omelette." The word entered English in the 1600s, when an omelet was described as a "pancake of eggs." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:10:22 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: BBC Radio 2 - Jackson Browne (not sure about JC) / Randy Newman (No JC) Jacky wrote: >Still not sure I can bring myself to try Radio 2 but I'll work on it. Can't remember whether you like Jackson's music, Jacky, but this documenary is coming up next Tuesday > FOR EVERYMAN - THE JACKSON BROWNE STORY >Tuesday 12th October 2030-2130 > Bonnie Rait on the musical genius and > lyrical eloquence of Jackson Browne. see http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/listings/ for 'Listen Live' link Their music documentaries are usually archived online for the following week - eg they currently have Part 4 (of 5) of the Randy Newman Story - presented by Linda Ronstadt - 'Listen again' link @ http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/documentaries/ - - this week's edition covers his film soundtrack scoring (including Randy talking about his Uncle Alfred) and the final part (next Friday) covers his latest material. best PaulC np 'One Voice' by The Wailin' Jennys (love what I've heard of this Canadian trio) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:54:17 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Country Music, njc > Why is everyone trying to help Nurial off his mother-in-law? > > --Smurf > > Reminds me of an old joke: The definition of happiness is: opening the refrigerator and seeing the picture of your mother in law......................................................................... ............................................................................ .............................. on the milk carton. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 06:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Sire Of Criticism (Britney's Sad Song)/lol NJC Nuriel !!!!! LOL!!!!!!! thanks - parts of that are really hilarious! and all of it inspired. :) Nice way to start out a day, reading that. Em - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > The Sire Of Criticism (Britney's Sad Song) > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Let me squick let me spit out my silliness > Bored by bliss and youth without pricks and weddings in haste > Do you have ears? ...snip... ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:59:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: The Sire Of Criticism (Britney's Sad Song) NJC **SORRY EVERYONE... Sorry? I thought it was grand, and certainly a very ambitious parody. Thanks for sharing it. Bob NP: Patti Smith, "Radio Baghdad" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:01:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni on upcoming Dolly CD? NJC Thanks for keeping us abreast of this latest Dolly news, Bryan! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:04:21 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Moist Towlettes -- NJC **She would have much more money, fame, and appreciation, in my opinion, if instead of new compilations of old material, she sold Joni Mitchell Moist Towelettes. While this is a fine idea, I'm afraid that in time, given Joni's career trajectory, they would transition into jazz rags. Bob NP: Patti Smith, "Gandhi" "Moist towelette - stat!" Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:33:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Can country music drive you to suicide? NJC **It's reminding me of the excellent film "Lost in Translation" - have you seen it? Yes, I thought it was superb - what made it even more interesting was that I went with my brother-in-law, who wanted to see a Hollywood bang-und-crash movie and I talked him into this one instead. He said he prefers movies where 'something happens'. Anyway, it was excellent - such chemistry between Bill Murray & Scarlet Johanson, and after seeing 'Girl With A Pearl Earring' I have fallen head over heels in love with her. Bob NP: Todd Rundgren, "Soul Brother" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:38:19 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: putting my little toe into the political discussion - definitely NJC Bob M. wrote: Kerry's response was to compare him to an arrogant male driver who is too insecure to stop and ask for directions. I howled. Now me: Damn! I wish I'd seen that. Might have been worth watching the whole debate just for that moment. It's interesting to me that so much debate centers around what should have been done. Why is it we always try to change the past, when it's just so much easier to change the future??? I think it takes tremendous courage to admit you've made a mistake, and to change your direction. (I'm not talking about 'waffling' here.) I'd like to see George W. & co. look America (and the world) squarely in the eye and simply say that they've made a huge mistake and that they now need the help and support of the world to fix this mess. They still wouldn't get my vote, but they might get an ounce of respect. lots of love Anne npimh: the crack of David Ortiz's bat and "it's going, it's going,..." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:35:30 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC Bob Muller wrote, concerning our tete a tete regarding the number of Americans dead: But for the record, I see that your statement doesn't say that we SHOULD be in Iraq because of 9/11, just that we ARE in Iraq because of 9/11, so there's certainly no argument there. I had said I might get back to the why's and wherefor's part of my reply when I had more time, hopefully tonight. For now, I have a few minutes, I found it interesting in the wake of this week's Duelfer report (which 1. forced Bush to publicly concede the conclusion which had become apparent to just about everyone else, viz, that Saddam in all likelihood - owing a tip of the cap to the general impossibility of the task of absolutely proving non-existence - had no WMD's and was not in process of producing them, but 2. also underscored the depth of the Oil for Food scandal - including our so-called allies participation - and highlighted the return to Saddam's troublemaking that would likely have followed once sanctions on Iraq were lifted, which they were about to be once Blix's next round of inspections were completed) to consider the following about the debate on Friday: Given that all now concede that no weapons would have been found by Blix, does that not beg the question from both candidates as to whether, had we waited - - and perhaps then waited again - Bush and/or Kerry would still have invaded Iraq ? My conclusion is that Bush would have decided to go in anyway, on the grounds that Blix's conclusions clashed with his intelligence reports and in any event could not be trusted. If so, then it is not hard to understand why he would have gone in sooner, since there would likely be less political baggage to deal with then than later. My guess is that Kerry would not have gone into Iraq. The question is, what would they have said they would have done if this had come up in the debate ? Not only was that question not asked (shame on the audience for not asking it, or if they did, for Gibson not to have selected it) - but the candidates, who both could have found a way to go there in the debate had they chosen to, chose not to. I wonder why that is so ? I conclude it is because neither wanted to go there. Will that find its way into the next debate, on domestic issues ? Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:06:18 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni & Graham Nash OUR HOUSE Performing Songwriter Found this in the November 2004 issue of Performing Songwriter magazine (Volume 12, Issue 81) R.E.M. on the cover. Page 86 also has the b/w picture of Joni with Graham's song, Our House, written on it that was up for auction. Great insight into the writing of this song! This article is promoting "Off The Record Manuscript Originals" Book and CD narrarated by Graham Nash. But according to the magazine, "Over the next year, each issue of Performing Songwriter will feature the story behind a song, told in the songwriter's own words and taken directly from the amazing collection that Graham and his business partner, Michael James Jackson, have produced in Off The Record." GRAHAM NASH The Story Behind OFF THE RECORD In 1992, I was asked to donate a personal item for an auction that was being held by a local school near my home in the Hawaiian Islands to raise funds for the school's athletic gear that was destroyed by the ravages of Hurricane Iniki. I had a photograph of my friend, Joni Mitchell, which I had taken some years before; I thought it would be a good choice. In an effort to make it a little more special, I thought I'd handwrite the lyrics to the chorus of my song, "Our House" around the margin of the photograph. On the night of the auction. I was very pleased to watch this piece raise several thousand dollars for the children at the school. Afterward, I approached the woman who had purchased the piece and told her I was genuinely overwhelmed she would pay so much for the photo with the chorus of my song on it. she smiled and said, "Mr. Nash, you make a mistake. You may think this is your song, but this is really my song. Years ago, my boyfriend put this song on the turntable, dropped down on one knee, and then proposed to me. Now I have a piece of that song and a moment that I'll cherish forever." This incident was instrumental to the inception of our company, Manuscript Originals. It is so clearly and simply illustrated to me that music truly touches more than just people's hearts; it affects our lives in ways that are indescribable. I am still amazed by the intensity of feelings that get stirred up in me when I hear the music I grew up with. So many of the key moments in my life have songs that serve as their emotional landmarks. My recollections of becoming a young man are flooded with the colors and the music of those years. I've always felt the same is true for all of us. Songwritting has always been one of the most effective ways I communicate. There've been plenty of times when I've been asked about my songs and someone will say, "how did you write that?" And quite honestly, I never really have any idea. All I know is that songs are the most powerful tools imaginable and they swerve to bring us all to a place where we can experience shared memories and emotions. Manuscript Originals was established to celebrate the work of great songwriters throughout the world and to honor classic songs that continue to endure throughout time. "Our House" I came to live in American and stayed with David Crosby for a couple of nights. He threw me a party and invited Joni Mitchell, whom I hadn't seen since meeting her when I played with the Hollies; I went home with Joni and spent a couple of years with her in her home in Laurel Canyon. One day Joan and i got up...and went to breakfast at a delicatessen on Ventura Boulevard. a few doors away there was a little antique store, and in the window Joan saw this vase, went inside, fell in love with it, bought it and brought it back to the house. It was a kind of a cold gray morning as it sometimes can be in Los Angeles, and I said, "Why don't I light the fire and you put some flowers in the vase that you just bought." So she's cutting stems and leaves and arranging flowers in this vase, and I'd lit the fire,and I thought, "What an ordinary moment." Now, my and Joan's live at the time were far from ordinary...and I thought, "What an ordinary moment." Here I am lighting the fire for my old lady and she's putting flowers in this vase that she just bought. and I sat down at Joan's piano and an hour later "Our House" was written. I think the only thing that I've ever really tried to do with whatever talent I was given by God is that I want to touch people's lives for the better. I have no choice about this writing thing; I have no idea where it comes from; I don't want to question it too much. But I am so grateful that I can write. ******************* See it at Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0740726781/103-7989402-2393423?v=glance Graham's tour dates promoting the book (Washington DC, Virginia, Ohio, California) http://www.manuscriptoriginals.com/idx_news_content.htm Also, on page 10, ALL ACCESS This just in Joni's Nov. 7 birthday is listed under BIRTHDAYS along with k.d. lang, Neil Young, Gordon Lightfoot, Bonnie Raitt, Peter Noone (who I saw last Sunday and OMG looks like Nick Nolte!), and others. And just some other interesting trivia.......on page 2 there is picture and ad for Livingston Taylor (James bro.) who is teaching a Stage Performance Techniques class at the Berklee College of Music and better known as Professor Taylor. Laura ************************************* It's always amazing to me how you can get things for FREE or at greatly reduced prices if you look around! Yes you can afford to buy that new Mitchell CD! Hope you don't mind me sharing. Now it won't cost you a cent to drive and pick-up Joni's new CDs/DVDs. FREE $5.00 gas card just for entering a sweepstakes from BP Amoco. 1st 100,000 - Hurry! Click the "ENTER" button. (Chances are good that you could actually WIN alot of gas as well!) http://www.premiumrewards.com/index.cfm **BUY JONI A COMPUTER!** It's time she appears on the JMDL and responds to email now and then. Starting Tuesday if you eat at McDonald's be sure and play the Monopoly Game. DON'T THROW OUT WINNING $1, $5, or $10 BEST BUY BUCKS GAME PIECES. This is $$$$$$. You can use $3 toward a Single CD or DVD purchase. The maximum amount of Best Buy Bucks you can use towards anything in the store or online is $300. (The rules are different for the store vs. online so check the rules) Under Rule #4 Present to the Best Buy cashier at the beginning of the transaction. Limit of $3 in Best Buy Bucks may be used toward the purchase of any single CD or DVD. Limit of $300 in Best Buy Bucks may be redeemed per customer per store visit (all visits to a store in the same day are deemed a single "visit".) So if you're thinking of upgrading your computer, stereo or a camera, etc. you may be able to do it for FREE or at a greatly reduced price. And if you're inclined to do so you can send away for game pieces without a purchase in the retaurant.(See Rule #2 b) Save them and use them together at Best Buy. See official rules and mail-in address for game pieces without a purchase here: http://mcdonalds.promotions.com/premonopoly/page.do?page=rules.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:10:07 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Stop the Bushies - NJC PC Colin > Oh and another thing-it is not my wish at all to see anyone killed. Colin > I pray that Bush doesn't win the next election or that someone takes him out. If he wins and survives we are all well and truly stuffed. (yes, you did read me right. I do believe it is ethical to kill if by doing so you save the lives of millions. it is the only case I >can think of where killing is justified.)< I'm just as confused as kakki regarding your two conflicting (as I see it) statements colin... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:09:13 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: NJC Re: battling terrorism - NJC PC Hi kate and all... I thought that question that lady asked to be cheap... a very cheap ploy!! President Bush IS NOT going to say he made a mistake concerning our invasion into Iraq. WHY?!! Because he hasn't...he has said repeatedly that in HIS mind it was the right thing to do. And I do too. That question is asked for a gotcha moment.....he aint' fallin for it folks. My observation about the debate is that when Sen. Kerry was asked questions that he and his handlers studied and dissected...he did fine.if you like rather robotic answers. BUT when asked a few questions towards the end to do with social issues like partial birth...he stumbled badly. Not only did he stumble..he lied. He wasn't expecting that kind of question. Most medical professionals will tell you that partial birth abortion not only DOES NOT save the life of the mother but is a very dangerous practice. This is besides it being brutal and abhorrent and is butchering the child. No..Kerry wasn't thinking about the life of the mother when he voted NO to stop this cruel procedure, rather NARAL...and his base. Bree > >We also watched last night's debate, and I LOVED it when the lady asked >Bush to list 3 mistaked he'd made.... he did his usual >mealy-mouth pandering to wind down the clock, never admitting to making a >specific mistake (he alluded to some people he should not have appointed >but wasn't specific enough to address the question really imo). > >Any man or woman with integrity would be able to answer that question with >some ring of truth even if he or she was a politician... its sad that bush >could not even come close (how insecure at the core he must be not to admit >a mistake or maybe he has no memory of his past?) ... indeed his answer was >not an answer to the question at all but was actually assigning blame to >others... _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:04:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Re: The Sire Of Criticism (Britney's Sad Song) Britney and i would like you to forgive us for asking you to forgive us. Britney was also wondering if this parody may win the honour of being added to the parodies section at jmdl.com, but she's too shy to ask, so i had to ask it in her name, and once again, we're hoping that our apologizing didn't hurt anyone, and in case it has, we're very sorry. Love, Britniel SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: **SORRY EVERYONE... Sorry? I thought it was grand, and certainly a very ambitious parody. Thanks for sharing it. Bob NP: Patti Smith, "Radio Baghdad" vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:13:52 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: silly joke anyone remember the entire punchline? njc >Somebody said if there wasn't any adultry, drunks, and fights there wouldn't be any country music.< Q what happens when you play a country song backwards? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:27:33 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: NJC Re: battling terrorism - NJC PC >I thought that question that lady asked to be cheap... a very cheap ploy!! President Bush IS NOT going to say he made a mistake concerning our invasion into Iraq. WHY?!! Because he hasn't...he has said repeatedly that in HIS mind it was the right thing to do. And I do too. That question is asked for a gotcha moment.....he aint' fallin for it folks.< the question was broader than iraq & bush could have answered it any way he wanted to... it is a very legitimate question & indeed is asked often in job interviews because everyone makes mistakes & it is what we learn from our mistakes that helps others understand who we really are... it takes maturity & courage to answer that question but bush is neither & his life reflects it... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:28:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Msg from Jeb Bush NJC Florida Election Ballot ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:59:37 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Joni (?) and Judy on Dolly's upcoming CD On Sun, 10 Oct 2004, Bryan wrote (on Subject: Joni on upcoming Dolly CD?): This is something I dug up in the Knoxville, TN newspaper (knownews.com). I suspect it's not quite right. I suspect that a Joni song may be covered on the CD but not that Joni will perform. But here's what it said: Many of the covers will appear on a new CD titled "Blue Smoke" that Parton is working on. Guests on the new CD will include Judy Collins and Joni Mitchell. Bryan Comment: Maybe not. Dolly Parton has been known lately for collaborative albums, including two (I think) with Linda Rondstadt and Bonnie Raitt (I think; someone please correct me if incorrect). And Joni has been a background singer on others' recordings over the years, including for James Taylor and Joan Baez ("Dida," as I mentioned recently). Maybe Joni will appear on Dolly's album (in whatever physical formats, including, but not necessarily limited to, compact disk) as a background singer, or as an equal partner in a trio mode. Maybe on the same track(s) as Judy Collins, or maybe not. Or maybe Judy will join Dolly in singing one or more of the four Joni songs previously covered by Judy, but Joni won't be on the recording. Or some combination and permutation of the foregoing .... Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:19:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni (?) and Judy on Dolly's upcoming CD --- Timothy Spong wrote: > > Comment: Maybe not. Dolly Parton has been known > lately for collaborative > albums, including two (I think) with Linda Rondstadt > and Bonnie Raitt (I > think; someone please correct me if incorrect). Dolly Parton got together with Emmylou Harris and Linda Ronstadt as "Trio" and they made at least one, maybe two, albums together. I think it would be very cool if Joni got together with Dolly. Would it be original material, I wonder? would it all be Dolly's stuff? Maybe Joni and Dolly could do, "You turn me on, I'm a radio" which is the one that springs to my mind right off the top as her most "country" song. Or maybe "Raised on robbery." And on the topic of whether or not country music incites people to suicide (I'm behind in reading & everything else), would it not occur to these people who do these so-called studies that maybe it's not country music that drives people to suicide, but that depressive people often listen to sad music - and it doesn't get much more hurtin' than country music. A lot of people think Joni is depressing too. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:23:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni & Graham Nash OUR HOUSE Performing Songwriter --- est86mlm@ameritech.net wrote: > Found this in the November 2004 issue of Performing > Songwriter magazine > (Volume 12, Issue 81) R.E.M. on the cover. > Page 86 also has the b/w picture of Joni with > Graham's song, Our House, > written on it that was up for auction. > Great insight into the writing of this song! What a cool story! Thanks, Laura. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:37:10 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: How Joni did on WXPN's Top 885 Songs of All Time (listener poll) Fellow Jonilistas, WXPN, the adult-album-alternative-format radio station affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania (for our international members: U of P is NOT a state or state-related school. It was founded by Benjamin Franklin as Pennsylvania Academy and is private and a member of the Ivy League) to which I frequently refer, as it is where I usually hear Joni on radio, recently moved to a new building and, as part of the celebration, held a listeners' poll to determine "The Top 885 Songs of All Time" (the station's broadcast frequency is 88.5 MHz). The method was for listeners to nominate their respective top 10; then, all were compiled. Full disclosure: I am not a person of sharply defined and readily ordered favorites; therefore, I did not vote. Anyhow, while, from the nominations read on the air, some voted for types of music well outside the scope of what WXPN nornally broadcasts, e.g., classical and operatic, none of those made it into the top 885, but some pop/rock outside the type they normally broadcast, except maybe when doing a special tracing the history of rock and roll, e.g., "Free Bird" (Lynyrd Skynyrd) and "Walking In the Rain" (Ronettes), did. Most of you will probably be pleased that 16 of Joni's own recordings made it into the list, if not with how low some of them placed: 15 A Case of You 152 River 180 Coyote 225 Both Sides Now 262 Blue 272 Circle Game 325 Free Man in Paris 405 Amelia 433 Chelsea Morning 528 Song for Sharon 633 Help Me 713 All I Want 720 California 760 Last Time I Saw Richard 808 Woodstock 877 Hejira Also, James Taylor's "You've Got A Friend," with Joni on background vocals, was No. 323, and Crosby, Stills and Nash's recording of "Woodstock" was No. 507. From the latter, we can infer that the songs are being credited by performer and not by composer or lyricist per se, reinforced by the fact that "Amazing Grace" was credited to the Blind Boys of Alabama, who sing it to the tune of "House of the Rising Sun" rather than to the tune called "New Britain" to which it is usually sung, but it does not tell us whether voters meant "Both Sides[,] Now" on "Clouds" or on "Both Sides Now." I think the former. Aside: If all goes well, tomorrow night, I'll be going to hear Iain Matthews perform in Wilmington, Del. Iain Matthews, of course, formerly headed Iain Matthews' Southern Comfort, which had another well-known recording of "Woodstock," and at another time formerly was a member of Fairport Convention. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. P.S. To read the poll yourself, go to www.xpn.org. Notice that is NOT www.Wxpn.org. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:59:42 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: silly joke anyone remember the entire punchline? njc Kate asked > Q what happens when you play a country song backwards? Something about your dog comes home and the pick-up starts. Play Big Yellow Taxi backwards and there's nowhere to bloody park PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:22:39 +0100 From: colin Subject: karma NJC I can only speak to what I have learned in my own life... I have experienced what I have called karma or perhaps it was god's grace... same thing to me... however it is not an idea at all & while I experienced it I have no interest in trying to convince anyone else of what I experienced... however I would best describe it as a force... I think people who examine their lives (like you colin) are rewarded for that ... your mail about leaving it to karma, implied to me that you thought stuff like the holocaust, the killing fields etc were meant to be and we shouldn't interfere if we could-like killing people who cause these things. Now it seems I was wrong but have no idea what you meant. There people who knew what hitler was doing and Pol pot and still satnd by my idea that killing them to stop it would have been legitimate and ethical. I do think motive counts. As for god's grace or whatever one calls it, i do know what you eman by that and believe my life is an example of it. I shouldn't be here and I shouldn't be here as a decent well person but I am.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:23:45 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Msg from Jeb Bush NJC Kate Bennett wrote: >Florida Election >Ballot > > > he he! - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:24:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni (?) and Judy on Dolly's upcoming CD The official Dolly website claims that: "On her up coming bluegrass collection album Blue Smoke, which will feature guest vocals from Joni Mitchell and Judy Collins, Dolly will perform a cover of John Lennon's "Imagine" backed by a choir. She will also sing covers of "Blowing In The Wind," and "Me & Bobby McGee". It says nothing regarding Dolly covering Joni - and i find it hard to believe that Joni'll be doing back vocals on a cover of one of her own songs with Dolly singing the lead. But then again, i read that some members find the whole thing to be cool, and believe me, you REALLY don't want to know what i've got to say about Joni in Dollywood, because Karol Red will never speak to me again:) Nuriel Timothy Spong wrote: On Sun, 10 Oct 2004, Bryan wrote (on Subject: Joni on upcoming Dolly CD?): This is something I dug up in the Knoxville, TN newspaper (knownews.com). I suspect it's not quite right. I suspect that a Joni song may be covered on the CD but not that Joni will perform. But here's what it said: Many of the covers will appear on a new CD titled "Blue Smoke" that Parton is working on. Guests on the new CD will include Judy Collins and Joni Mitchell. Bryan Comment: Maybe not. Dolly Parton has been known lately for collaborative albums, including two (I think) with Linda Rondstadt and Bonnie Raitt (I think; someone please correct me if incorrect). And Joni has been a background singer on others' recordings over the years, including for James Taylor and Joan Baez ("Dida," as I mentioned recently). Maybe Joni will appear on Dolly's album (in whatever physical formats, including, but not necessarily limited to, compact disk) as a background singer, or as an equal partner in a trio mode. Maybe on the same track(s) as Judy Collins, or maybe not. Or maybe Judy will join Dolly in singing one or more of the four Joni songs previously covered by Judy, but Joni won't be on the recording. Or some combination and permutation of the foregoing .... Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:27:52 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Stop the Bushies - NJC PC Kate Bennett wrote: >Colin > Oh and another thing-it is not my wish at all to see anyone killed. > >Colin > I pray that Bush doesn't win the next election or that someone >takes him out. If he wins and survives we are all well and truly stuffed. >(yes, you did read me right. I do believe it is ethical to kill if by >doing so you save the lives of millions. it is the only case I > > >>can think of where killing is justified.)< >> >> > >I'm just as confused as kakki regarding your two conflicting (as I see it) >statements colin... > > > There is a big difference, to me, between thinking it would be bette rif someone were killed in order to same millions and wishing it. Wishing for something makes it sound like soemthing one really wants and would be a joyful thing if it happened. That is my intereptation of wish. Parayer is much more serious and to pray for something is not the same as askign for something(I don't pray like that-it isn't up to us to tell whatever HP there is what to do or even to ask for it. I do think to pray for underatadnign and strength is legitimate) - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:43:38 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: Country Music, njc I'd like to second Laurant's recommendation of Alison Krauss + Union Station. Don't know much about Country music, most of what I've heard, I dislike, but the Live DVD of this band really is gorgeous. My dislike of Country generally focuses on the whining tone of the singing, and the too-sugary content of the lyrics, both of which are pretty much absent in this performance. There are many wonderful songs, tremendous singing and playing, a great recording, and if you get the DVD, you see the beautiful theatre that they are playing in. ("I 'specially like the nekked people.") A big favourite of mine. Martin. > Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 02:28:42 +0200 > From: "Laurent Olszer" > Subject: Country Music, njc > > > Could you please recommend me the best country music album available? My > Mother in law's birthday is next month, and i think it would make a superb > birthday gift for her! > > Nuriel > > > > Hi > > You're only asking Jacky but allow me to offer some unsolicited advice: > Alison Krauss & Union Station: Live on CD or DVD. > Don't know enough country music to say it's the best. Just thought it had > pretty harmonies, superb musicians, and a nice voice > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:08:56 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Guest vocals by Joni on upcoming Dolly CD (?) Bryan, Very interesting find. After reading your post I dug a little myself and found this on dolly.net which seems to be quoting from that same news article you read. "Dolly will perform a cover of John Lennon's "Imagine" backed by a choir. She will also sing covers of "Blowing In The Wind," and "Me & Bobby McGee". Some of which will also be released on her upcoming album Blue Smoke, which will feature guest vocals from Joni Mitchell and Judy Collins" So maybe we will hear some actual new Joni vocals on Dolly's Blue Smoke album! I'll be keeping eyes and ears open. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:13:05 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: karma NJC People must stand up & do what they can to resist violence. I have never said we should not interfere. specifically regarding the original subject (gwb) which is what I was responding to it is clear to me that he is his own undoing. it is only apathy or ignorance that allows such a monstrosity to flourish. those who oppose this administration know it is important to do whatever is in our power to speak our truth & take whatever actions we feel we must to stop him BUT resorting to violence in response to violence makes no sense. because in the long run it creates more violence. when will we ever learn? Our planet is at greater risk of being destroyed than it ever has before. there are proven instances of leaders who have chosen the route of nonviolence & in the long run it as succeeded. >your mail about leaving it to karma, implied to me that you thought stuff like the holocaust, the killing fields etc were meant to be and we shouldn't interfere if we could-like killing people who cause these things. Now it seems I was wrong but have no idea what you meant. There people who knew what hitler was doing and Pol pot and still satnd by my idea that killing them to stop it would have been legitimate and ethical. I do think motive counts. As for god's grace or whatever one calls it, i do know what you eman by that and believe my life is an example of it. I shouldn't be here and I shouldn't be here as a decent well person but I am.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:26:19 +0000 From: tinkersown@comcast.net Subject: Jack Hardy (NJC) Jack Hardy is indeed a wondrous songwriter. Michele and I first encountered him at Folk Alliance in Memphis in '98. During the "folk crawl" on Bourbon St (just down from WC Handy standing in his little park) we walked into a sort of pizza parlor/bar and there was Jack singing "The Twentieth Century" - we were instantly hooked. When the concert series started up in '99. Jack was one of the first people I hired - he played our 3rd show, in March '99. Because he was totally unkown on this coast, I took the liberty of having the Tinkers open for him, so we would at least get a few folks in. Jack stayed at our house, and over the course of two days, I think I slept for two hours. He is hilarious company. He played the series again in 2000, driving down from Berkeley (he often plays the Freigt & Salvage) with his three kids, doing the show, then driving off the next morning to Arizona for another show. He played for us again in 2002, after his brother Jeff died at the World Trade Center. Jack divides most of his time between his farm in upstate New York, his legendary rent-controlled Greenwich Village apartment (home of the songwriting corcle) and Ireland. "The Passing" is probably his most accessible CD, but "Omens" has one of his best songs "I Ought To Know" which includes the line: "...I ought to know if the grapes of wrath Were union-picked By Victor Jara's hands..." Check him out. ################################################ Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@comcast.net "The Tinker's Own" www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:41:38 +0000 From: tinkersown@comcast.net Subject: Make that BEALE St (NJC) Duh! Of course Bourbon St is in New Orleans and Beale St is in Memphis. Must be a way to blame Paz for that goof up... ################################################ Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@comcast.net "The Tinker's Own" www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:30:47 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC Bob M wrote: Like my son said last night, our invasion of Iraq (based on OUR decision that they MIGHT someday be a threat) is a lot like shooting your neighbor's dog because he might someday crap in your yard. I do love that kid. Well, Bob, I love your son just because he's your son. And I have not even met him yet, sad to say. However, I do believe his analogy is overly simplistic, and because of that misses the central point. I would be more inclined to modify the analogy this way: You had 20 dogs, say toy poodles, as well as 20 german shepherds, and each of your next door neighbors had 20 pit bull terriers. You let your poodles play in your backyard, and you have taken reasonable precautions to protect them (you built a fine fence, let's say). Now, one day, the dogs of the neighbor on your left manage to complete digging a tunnel under your fence and attack your dogs, killing two of them before the rest can escape indoors through their little doggy doors. You knew that your left next door neighbors sons has been teaching his dogs to dig tunnels and kill poodles with his father's blessing - he has already done so twice in the past, or so you strongly suspect, but has only succeeded to date in mauling a few of your dogs. This time, he has succeeded in a much worse way. So, you sick your german shepherds on your left hand neighbor, and force the dad on your left out of town, although you do not catch either him or his loathsome son, who is hiding in his booby trapped crawl space. Some day you'll get him, but for now he is neutralized and in hiding. The problem is that the neighbor on your right and the neighbors across the street from both you left hand and right hand neighbors have also been teaching their sons that it is all right for them to hate you and your poodles, and that as far as they are concerned, it would be a saintly thing for them to go train their dogs (and any other dogs in the neighborhood they can persuade to join the fun) kill the rest of your poodles. Now, you have some tough choices. Do you wait for them to succeed in killing the rest of your poodles, trying to reason with them and/or get the police in town, who are completely ineffectual and are being bribed by your neighbors anyway, to come to your aid ? At that point you could go after them all, but your poodles would be dead. Or do you try some other approach, that might make the other hostile neighbors think twice about any ideas they may have in the first place, and not get the police on your case? Or do you just try to build a better fence, and hope that does the job ? Now, in this case, the two neighbors across the street have not only been been teaching their children to hate you, their children lent some of their pit bulls to your left hand neighbor's son for training purposes, and those dogs basically ran the attacks against your dogs. However, except for that, the parents have not yet broken any laws that would make the police and the other mixed up citizens in town think you would be justified in attacking them. However, the neighbor on your right has committed some indiscretions. He has poisoned the dogs of the neighbor on his right and behind him (you sent him back to his room when he tried that the last time), but claims to have plenty of poison left in his house to get at the dogs of anybody who messes with him (or, short of that, he might be willing to sell some of it to your hostile neighbors, you cannot be sure). Now this is against the law, and the police do not much like this particular neighbor of yours, who goes to the same church as the neighbor on your left and the two across the street, but does not particularly socialize with them. So, you decide to get rid of the neighbor on your right, since he is a proven menace, the rest of the town does not like him and the police may not disapprove too much if you do. That way, perhaps the next person to move in will train the dogs to get along not only with each other, but with your dogs, too. You send in your german shepherd, and they help you get rid of the neighbor, but the dogs are still fighting with one another (and those pit bulls are doing some terrible things in the process, probably because they have been trained to kill and hate everyone around them). At the same time, though, you send a message to the neighbors across the street that they had better get control of their dogs, or they will be next. And in the course of that, they may be able to observe that you and your new right hand neighbor are doing pretty well, getting along with each other and prospering. This was not to stop the other dogs from crapping in your yard - it was to prevent them from killing your dogs. Of course, there are many other considerations complicating the situation. The people directly across the street from you are truly loathed by the rest of your neighbors. This is partly because they do not go to the same church, and partly because they are doing well economically (while their neighbors are not doing so well) and partly because the three lots across the street used to be occupied by a variety of landlords who did not much care about any of the residents, but when the landlord abandoned the property, you got involved in the aftermath and helped give 1/3 of it to the heathens and only 2/3 of it to the believers, even though only 10% of the residents were heathens. And to make it even more complicated, you haven't been much of saint yourself throughout the last 50 years or so. But, you've done many good things in that time, and on balance believe you have tried hard (in most cases) to do your best, with most of the pressure from the neighborhood and the spotlight on you. Well, before you know it, the story gets even more complicated. Like, all the other homes in town start getting involved in the trouble, too, at least verbally (most do not have the moral conviction to act based on principle). My point is that I think it is important that we not trivialize the issues involved here with sophomoric bromides likely inspired by some college professors who believe they are superior to their president simply because they speak better (although they have never had to speak - much less make life and death decisions - under real pressure) and have higher SAT scores than the president. These are tough issues that, like the president says, will require hard work and considerable wisdom as well as intelligence to deal with in the most successful (or least unsuccessful) manner. That said, I am not at all sure (not even confident, really) that we are on the right path here. Nor am I confident we are not taking our best shot for the moment. The president is overconfident that he is. His opponents are overconfident that he is not. And because the stakes - war and peace - are so high, it is to be expected that there will be passioned differences of opinion among us. But I think that most of us believe that we are all on the same side in wanting the best result possible over the coming decades. Let's at least give one another that much credit. Bobsart ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #413 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)