From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #412 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, October 10 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 412 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Stop the Bushies - NJC PC ["Kakki" ] Re: Stop the Bushies - NJC PC [colin ] Country Music, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Country Music, njc [Em ] RE: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC [tantra_apso ] Re: Can country music drive you to suicide? [LCStanley7@aol.com] Moist Towlettes -- NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Country Music, njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: battling terrorism - NJC PC ["Kate Bennett" ] Fw: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC, short ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Can country music drive you to suicide? - NJC ["hell" ] NJC Re: battling terrorism - NJC PC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni Angels [Michael Paz ] Re: Jane Campion's The Piano and Joni -- njc [Michael Paz Subject: Re: Stop the Bushies - NJC PC Colin wrote: > Oh and another thing-it is not my wish at all to see anyone killed. No > one. Don't spin what i write. Colin - this is what was written in an email from your address: > I pray that Bush doesn't win the next election or that someone takes him > out. If he wins and survives we are all well and truly stuffed. > (yes, you did read me right. I do believe it is ethical to kill if by > doing so you save the lives of millions. it is the only case I can think > of where killing is justified.) If someone else posted this in your name, I apologize, but thought it came from you. Kakki - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:13:10 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Stop the Bushies - NJC PC Kakki wrote: > Colin wrote: > > > Oh and another thing-it is not my wish at all to see anyone killed. No > > one. Don't spin what i write. > > Colin - this is what was written in an email from your address: > > > I pray that Bush doesn't win the next election or that someone takes >him > > out. If he wins and survives we are all well and truly stuffed. > > (yes, you did read me right. I do believe it is ethical to kill if by > > doing so you save the lives of millions. it is the only case I can >think > > of where killing is justified.) > > If someone else posted this in your name, I apologize, but thought it came >from you. > sarcasm isn't the way to deal with this Kakki. I satnd by what i said in both emails. if you can't understand the difference between what i said above and also saying I don't wish anyone dead, then you are not as bright as i have hitherto thought...... > > Kakki > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > > > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 02:28:42 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Country Music, njc > Could you please recommend me the best country music album available? My Mother in law's birthday is next month, and i think it would make a superb birthday gift for her! > Nuriel > Hi You're only asking Jacky but allow me to offer some unsolicited advice: Alison Krauss & Union Station: Live on CD or DVD. Don't know enough country music to say it's the best. Just thought it had pretty harmonies, superb musicians, and a nice voice Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:55:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Country Music, njc Emmy Lou Harris "Elite Hotel". also just a person's opinion... :) Em - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > > Could you please recommend me the best country music album > available? My > Mother in law's birthday is next month, and i think it would make a > superb > birthday gift for her! > > Nuriel > > > > Hi > > You're only asking Jacky but allow me to offer some unsolicited > advice: > Alison Krauss & Union Station: Live on CD or DVD. > Don't know enough country music to say it's the best. Just thought it > had > pretty harmonies, superb musicians, and a nice voice > > Laurent > ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:52:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC >Is that meaningless to you?< yes ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:36:24 +0100 From: tantra_apso Subject: Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC Kakki-everytime anything polictal comes up you do the same thing-you get uppity, pretend youa re oh so sweet and just baffled as to why you get the responses you do. You always always state how many ohter people are hounded out of here because of it. You eman like |Marcel? Like the guy who recently left, Smurphs friend(sorry i can't recall his name)? Thes are the only ones I can think of that solicited such response and they deserved it. THEY were the ones who were abusive, patronizing, offensive etc. It has NOTHING whatever to do with people's polictal beliefs but with the way they write, what they write and the belittling attitude. People who disagree with those on the right are called-even by you-dishonest, stupid, bleeding hearts(which actually is compl.iment), liberals(as if that were an insult, unpatriotic, terrorist sympathisers, and lord knows what else. Or they play the passive agressivve innncent and get all 'upset' instead of owning their own shit and being honest. Speaking for myself only, I do not demonise people with differing points of views. I have for the last 6 years developed a close relationship with a person who is righter than right, adores Bush, she thinks the sun shines out of his ares, and who thinks we should just bomb the hell out the ME, and is USA centric she thinks the USA and it's people are the best and always right and that the USA is the saviour of the world. Do I find that all that hard to take? You bet I do. But we have not fallen out I see the other qualites she ahs, the compassion she has, her wit, her cleverness, her patience and ingnore as best I can her flaws. And yes she does think those of us who disgree can't think straight. We speak several times a week and most of the time I can mangae to keep the conversation off Iraq or Bush no matter what she says. If you wnat to share your politcal views, and you don't have to defend doing so, thaen go ahead, do it. But do so responsibly, in an adult way, with the veiled or open insults, the condescending remarks etc. Yes I KNOW you are no the only one who does this but you know each of us has to responsible and it isn't any good saying'it isn't fair so and so can be really .....' Our behaiour should not dependent upon someone elses. It is really important that everyone really understand that attacking an idea is NOT the same as making a perosnal attack. saying, as Kate did, that she really can't understand how people still support Bush, is most definately not the same as saying she thinks those that do are fucking stupid! I have felt as you do. I will debate and keep coming back with my points and the find the other person, because they can't argue point, egts persoanl and nasty. That is their problem. I don't rise to it anymore, not for a long time. You can do the same but in order to do it you too must leave the personal stuff, or innuendoes, out of your writing. And yes, i can think of at elast 3 people who proffess peace and love and their writing shows the opposite. that is their problem not yours and just don't reply with same. Okay it's late, i am hurting, damn pills don't work! and maybe i am rambling so i'll go but perhaps soemthing makes sense to you and I hope it is something other than we are all out to get you. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:20:15 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Can country music drive you to suicide? Jacky wrote: A recent British Medical Journal carried this story which I thought made entertaining reading:- Can country music drive you to suicide? The Ig Nobel award for medicinebone of the prizes given annually to scientists who have produced unusual researchbwas given this year to a team of researchers who had found that cities in which radio stations played a higher than average amount of country music had higher than average suicide rates. The award went to Steven Stack of Wayne State University, Michigan, and James Gundlach of Auburn University, Alabama, for their report, The Effect of Country Music on Suicide. Dr Stack protested to the BMJ that it was unfair of Newsweek to call him and his colleague "academic coneheads." "We had hard data showing that cities with higher than average country music radio market share had higher white suicide rates," he said. African-American suicide rates, he explained, were not affected by the country music market ( Social Forces 1992;71: 211-8[ISI]). Odd science, from the peculiar to the bizarre, was centre stage at the ceremony, the 14th in the history of the prize, which was held at Harvard University. The awards are given by the Annals of Improbable Research for work that "celebrates the unusual" and "first makes you laugh, and then makes you think." The clear winner of the night, however, was the recipient of this year's peace prize, Daisuke Inoue of Hyugo, Japan. Mr Inoue, who invented the karaoke machine, received this year's peace award for "providing an entirely new way for people to learn to tolerate each other." Certainly does make you think. And they say Joni's music is depressing! Hmm - maybe someone could get funding for a study of suicide rates in towns which don't play enough Joni. Hi Jacky, I've heard people say that Joni's music has saved them from committing suicide. I can see how Judgement of the Moon and Stars could do that. All of Don Juan's Recklace Daughter could be considered good therapy for the down and out in my opinion. About country music... it is all around me here in Arkansas. I have a really hard time tolerating it even though I love many types of music. Somebody said if there wasn't any adultry, drunks, and fights there wouldn't be any country music. Speaking of karaoke, I was at a party for a friend where there was a really nice karaoke set up, and people kept doing country songs... one after the other after the other. I had enough and was getting crazy in my head, about to burst. So I got some junior high kids gathered together with me and did Led Zep's Black Dog and Aerosmith's Walk this Way and then had my friend Betty help me do Earth Wind and Fire's Fantasy to break the monotony of the country songs. It was a quick fix, but I had to leave shortly after that because they went back to the country songs. Hades for me would be constant country music. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:24:39 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Moist Towlettes -- NJC I think Joni has been marketed all wrong lately. She would have much more money, fame, and appreciation, in my opinion, if instead of new compilations of old material, she sold Joni Mitchell Moist Towelettes. Think about it. Joni Mitchell Moist Towelettes would be a wonderful way for us fans to instantly freshen up, right? And once word got out about this terrific brand new product, everyone we know would be buying Joni MItchell Moist Towelettes for us acknowledged Joni fans as "joke" gifts -- so new Joni Mitchell Moist Towelettes would sell well right off the bat. But here's where the real major league noggin work in this idea comes in: whenever potential new Joni fans use new Joni Mitchell Moist Towelettes, along with a quick and refreshing clean up, they'll get a not-so-subliminal reminder to check out Joni's music. Always thinkin', - --Smurf "I could really go for that Smurf guy if he was, like, eighteen to twenty-one years old, drop-dead gorgeous and hung like a prisoner." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:28:41 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC >I tend to think the split between those who support Bush and those who oppose him really comes down to how seriously one believes the threat is. Those who feel from the depths of their being that we truly are in danger want to support Bush over the alternative choice. Those who feel the whole threat is exaggerated and concocted for a hidden agenda(s) will hate his guts and want him removed.< Once upon a time, not that long ago, after a prolonged back & forth over the issue of immigration when I finally was able to shine a light on something you had only parital knowledge about but spoke about as if you understood it... back then you told me in the future to just tell you that you don't know what you're talking about... I never would have thought of being so rude but since I have your permission & I have no more energy to go to the lengths it takes to show you how much you either ignore or just don't understand or maybe just don't pay attention to (who knows) so very many issues I will just tell you now that --- Kakki you have no idea what you are talking about... stick to defending your point of view if you like but please don't pretend to understand what others who you disagree with are motivated by... most of the people who oppose bush do so because he has completely ignored the real terrorist threats that you have only read about... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:43:44 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Country Music, njc Laurent suggested Alison Krauss & Union Station, then Jingerella recommended: << Emmy Lou Harris "Elite Hotel". also just a person's opinion... >> Why is everyone trying to help Nurial off his mother-in-law? - --Smurf "Does having a cute schtup buddy on the state payroll make me look gay?" - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:55:59 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: battling terrorism - NJC PC Kakki > And I and many millions of people in the U.S. and in the world sat and cried and felt a horror and shock beyond description for many weeks and months after 9/11. Why? Because we watched those images of what you all were going through and it was unbearable for us.< you WATCHED... I WATCHED... far far away from the reality of those attacks just as you now sit so far far away from the reality of the consequences of this war... kakki neither you nor I have any idea what it was like that day in NYC or days following on the east coast > So how dare your people throw this kind of unbelievably hurtful and nasty stuff out in the direction of the other political party who comprises nearly half of your fellow U.S. citizens who also cry, hurt and bleed the same as you do< No kakki you don't cry hurt or bleed as much as others who lost their loved ones in 9/11 or those who are in iraq or who have loved ones in iraq... it is appalling to attempt to equate yourself, however tangentially, to anyone who has actually EXPERIENCED LOSS due these circumstances... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:59:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Fw: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC, short >I AM being picked on. < A pot calling the kettle blac as you pick on others as much as you are picked on but you don't see it because it is a passive aggressive picking on... nonetheless it is still aggression... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:55:59 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: battling terrorism - NJC PC Kakki > And I and many millions of people in the U.S. and in the world sat and cried and felt a horror and shock beyond description for many weeks and months after 9/11. Why? Because we watched those images of what you all were going through and it was unbearable for us.< you WATCHED... I WATCHED... far far away from the reality of those attacks just as you now sit so far far away from the reality of the consequences of this war... kakki neither you nor I have any idea what it was like that day in NYC or days following on the east coast > So how dare your people throw this kind of unbelievably hurtful and nasty stuff out in the direction of the other political party who comprises nearly half of your fellow U.S. citizens who also cry, hurt and bleed the same as you do< No kakki you don't cry hurt or bleed as much as others who lost their loved ones in 9/11 or those who are in iraq or who have loved ones in iraq... it is appalling to attempt to equate yourself, however tangentially, to anyone who has actually EXPERIENCED LOSS due these circumstances... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:50:30 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Can country music drive you to suicide? - NJC Jacky wrote: > A recent British Medical Journal carried this story which I thought made > entertaining reading:- > > Can country music drive you to suicide? Here's a list of song titles, which supports this theory! These are not made up, they are actual Country & Western Titles. The Worst (or Best) Country-Western Song Titles of All-Time: 1. Get Your Biscuits In The Oven And Your Buns In Bed 2. Get Your Tongue Outta My Mouth 'Cause I'm Kissing You Goodbye 3. Her Teeth Was Stained, But Her Heart Was Pure 4. How Can I Miss You If You Won't Go Away? 5. Can't Get Over You, So Why Don't You Get Under Me? 6. Don't Know Whether To Kill Myself Or Go Bowling 7. Got In At 2 With a 10, And Woke Up At 10 With a 2 8. Hate Every Bone In Your Body Except For Mine 9. Just Bought A Car From A Guy That Stole My Girl, But The Car Don't Run, So I Figure We Got An Even Deal 10. Keep Forgettin' I Forgot About You 11. Liked You Better Before I Knew You So Well 12. Still Miss You Baby, But My Aim's Gettin' Better 13. Wouldn't Take Her To A Dog Fight, Cause I'm Afraid She'd Win 14. I'll Marry You Tomorrow But Let's Honeymoon Tonight 15. I'm So Miserable Without You, It's Like Having You Here 16. I've Got Tears in My Ears From Lying On My Back While I Cry For You 17. If I Can't Be Number One In Your Life, Then Number Two On You 18. If I Had Shot You When I Wanted To, I'd Be Out By Now 19. Mama Get A Hammer (There's A Fly On Papa's Head) 20. My Head Hurts, My Feet Stink, And I Don't Love Jesus 21. My Wife Ran Off With My Best Friend, and I Sure Do Miss Him 22. Please Bypass this Heart 23. She Got The Ring and I Got The Finger 24. You're the Reason Our Kids Are So Ugly Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:35:53 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Stop the Bushies - NJC PC >I do believe it is ethical to kill if by > doing so you save the lives of millions. it is the only case I can think > of where killing is justified.)< I disagree ... I have seen how karma works & it works on the big picture level which we as humans do not have privy to... anyway killing someone just makes them a martyr & empowers them even more... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:50:56 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC Re: battling terrorism - NJC PC >several times Cheney said that Kerry always voted on the WRONG side of defense. I asked "why is voting against war, voting for peace...the WRONG side?" I guess cheney's statement was actually quite revealing... since cheney's business interests are dependent on war that to him would be the right side... >We also watched last night's debate, and I LOVED it when the lady asked Bush to list 3 mistaked he'd made.... he did his usual mealy-mouth pandering to wind down the clock, never admitting to making a specific mistake (he alluded to some people he should not have appointed but wasn't specific enough to address the question really imo). Any man or woman with integrity would be able to answer that question with some ring of truth even if he or she was a politician... its sad that bush could not even come close (how insecure at the core he must be not to admit a mistake or maybe he has no memory of his past?) ... indeed his answer was not an answer to the question at all but was actually assigning blame to others... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:04:25 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Country Music, njc Ok, I'll bite. I don't really keep up with country music. Most of it sounds like over-produced MOR pop these days to my ears. But I will heartily recommend Loretta Lynn's 'Van Lear Rose'. Jack White of the White Stripes produced and also plays guitar on it and he really added something to Loretta's writing and singing that puts this one in a league all its own. To me this is one of the few true country albums that I've heard in a long time but it kicks ass too. Jack's genuine respect for Loretta is evident throughout but it's also very clear that he's not afraid to push the envelope and that Loretta is more than up to it. Her writing maybe doesn't break any new ground but it's still clever and to the point. And she still sings in that straight-forward down home country style with a voice that's in damn good shape for a woman her age. Mark E. in Seattle Em wrote: > Emmy Lou Harris "Elite Hotel". > also just a person's opinion... > :) > Em > > --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > >>> Could you please recommend me the best country music album >> available? My >> Mother in law's birthday is next month, and i think it would make a >> superb >> birthday gift for her! >>> Nuriel >>> >> >> Hi >> >> You're only asking Jacky but allow me to offer some unsolicited >> advice: >> Alison Krauss & Union Station: Live on CD or DVD. >> Don't know enough country music to say it's the best. Just thought it >> had >> pretty harmonies, superb musicians, and a nice voice >> >> Laurent >> > > > ===== > ---------- > "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues > You can tell by the way she smiles" > > Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:25:26 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni Angels > hi > > > > woo hoo - i must be the *only* person with my own name in the line: > > "Ron had a car" > > > ron > Except for me Michael From Mountains Joni Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:33:06 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jane Campion's The Piano and Joni -- njc Erh guh me mph juvhmesh ta na : >>>>>> P > Quoting from a website, Nuriel writes: > > << This essay focuses on silence as a tool of empowerment and self-assertion > rather than a manifestation of oppression. >> > > > Gee, this sounds sorta like the Ellen Jamesians from "The World According to > Garp." They were the ones who cut out their tongues in protest of something, > was it Ellen James's rape and murder? > > --Smurf > > > "Land of snap decisions, land of short attention spans ... > Hey! Wanna have gay sex?" > > --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 02:14:11 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Joni on upcoming Dolly CD? This is something I dug up in the Knoxville, TN newspaper (knownews.com). I suspect it's not quite right. I suspect that a Joni song may be covered on the CD but not that Joni will perform. But here's what it said: Many of the covers will appear on a new CD titled "Blue Smoke" that Parton is working on. Guests on the new CD will include Judy Collins and Joni Mitchell. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 02:18:04 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 10 On October 10 the following article was published: 1998: "Joni Mitchell Shows Her Stripes" - Toronto Star (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=388 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:53:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Can country music drive you to suicide? LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: "I've heard people say that Joni's music has saved them from committing suicide." It's hard for me to explain this, but sometimes i feel as if Joni herself is "committing suicide" on some of her albums. Nuriel vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #412 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)