From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #410 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, October 9 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 410 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fred Simon gig - Chicago Jazz Composers Collective (njc) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #407 [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Vanity Fair [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: My Secret Place [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Angels ["Ron" ] Leonard Cohen njc (now Radio 2) [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC, short [] Stop the Distractions, was: Stop the Bleeding NJC [] Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC, short [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Joni lines ["Anne Sandstrom" ] RE: Joni lines ["hell" ] Re: Leonard Cohen njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: NJC/Keb Mo [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: battling terrorism - NJC PC ["patrick leader" ] Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC, short [vince ] Mellisa Ethridge has cancer njc [vince ] Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC, short ["Kakki" ] Re: battling terrorism - NJC PC ["Kakki" ] Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC, short [vince ] Today's Library Links: October 9 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC, short ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Find Your Own Joni Magical Spell:) -- NJC [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:08:15 -0400 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Fred Simon gig - Chicago Jazz Composers Collective (njc) Dear friends, comrades, and the undecided: Got a little something you might like to hear. I'll be presenting a set of material ranging from instrumental versions of two new songs; an improvisational diptych written in 1975 and reworked for my new album with Paul McCandless and Steve Rodby, and then reworked again for this gig; an instrumental version of a song from a musical I'm writing; and a tune called "No War Nowhere" that I started writing in 1991 but couldn't finish, and then for some reason found the motivation to finish it last week. I hope to see everyone there. Your fred, Fred ============ Chicago Jazz Composers Collective presents: FRED SIMON GROUP Fred Simon: composer, piano Jim Gailloreto: saxophone and flute John Kregor: guitar Rob Amster: acoustic bass Tom Hipskind: drums [also appearing on the program is composer/saxophonist MITCH PALIGA and his excellent group] ============ Sunday, October 10, 2004 2 - 4 PM (Mitch at 2pm, Fred at 3pm) Green Mill, 4802 N. Broadway, Chicago, IL (773) 878-5552 ============ ***WHAT'S SO FUNNY 'BOUT PEACE, LOVE, AND UNDERSTANDING?*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:06:07 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #407 From: WilburFEE@netscape.net (Kevin Fee) Subject: My Secret Place I think My Secret Place is one of Joni's masterpieces, although I don't see it discussed very much on the list! Have many of you seen the video? Shot on the beach with a Teepee (sp?). Everyone should have a secret place that they can retreat to in their mind. And for those special friends, you share it with them. I think Secret Place, Cool Water and Beat Of Black Wings (great video with Joni as a man) are extraordinary! Wilbur I've always loved MSP, sonically, harmonically, lyrically. One of the better songs of that Joni era (of course some of us claim there were no good songs of that era, but I respectfully disagree). Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:17:15 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Vanity Fair From: "J Harney" Subject: Joni in Vanity Fair I just had a look at an advance copy of Vanity Fair magazine (Nov. 04) with The Music Issue, as a title, appearing in the left-hand column. My heart leapt when my eyes moved down and saw, Elvis Costello Interviews Joni Mitchell, just under The Music Issue title. What a wonderful start to the weekend, and a nice way to honor Joni as her birthday approaches! Someone at Vanity Fair truly appreciates Joni, and my guess is that we can send our "thank yous" to Lisa Robinson, who has contributed a piece about U2 for this issue. Anyway, I wanted to get the word out as I am so scooped by my clever, savvy fellow listers. Oh yes, Johnny Depp is on the VF cover. Cheers, Jack Just finished reading it (on newsstands now). Nice that an interviewer (Elvis) is so intimately acquainted with the work of the interview subject. Some interesting remarks from Joni (such as: she has recently composed some music that is as of yet lyricless; she doesn't remember her own work but rather learns it again when performing -- not so sure I believe that one). Lots of talk about TBoS (which Joni regards very highly). Worth the $4.50 cover price. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:18:25 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: My Secret Place **Cause i've always found this song to be a very personal song. It all fits with Joni but for this New York City thing. How so, Nuriel? I read through the lyrics today a couple of times and they are generic and vague, actually very poor by Joni's standard. Nothing specific in the lyrics except for the part you referenced about being born & raised in NYC and moving to Colorado which pretty much ices the fact that it's *not* autobiographical. It's not totally a bad song...the production is 80's-synth stuff, sounds dated now. The quality of Peter Gabriel's voice (as much as I like it) is so similar to Joni's that I have a hard time determining when it's him & when it's her, making the conversational tone very ineffective. A B- beginning to a D+ record, imo. Sorry for being such a smartass before, but I truly had NO idea what you intended with your question. Bob NP: Elvis, "Monkey To Man" (no comment as to how this relates to tonight's debate) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:23:22 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: Joni Angels hi mags >>> I found a lovely one.... >>> Magnolias hopeful in her auburn hair mmm - somewhat better than "ron had a car" the only other one i could find was "rows & flows of angels hair" - & there aint no-one could possibly describe my hair like that !!!!! :-) tho - if i use my other initial i get a lovely line "Good hearts are going under" ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:31:22 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Leonard Cohen njc (now Radio 2) In a message dated 08/10/2004 22:19:16 GMT Standard Time, Azeem writes: > Just listening to Radio 2 (the BBC station which used to be a by-word > for all that is naff and MOR - does this mean that Im officially > middle-aged, or is it that they really play better music these days??) > Funny you should mention Radio 2 in this way, Azeem. I've just got back from an evening spent with a bunch of friends. One, whose musical tastes I have begun to respect and who I've been exchanging CDs with, announced that as soon as Womans' Hour starts on Radio 4 he switches to Radio 2. I was shocked! What's worse - he listens to Steve Wright in the afternoon! As you suggest, this is the epitome of all that's naff isn't it? Well, according to him and now you, I've got this all wrong and it is worth listening to. Only one way to find out , I guess. In the mean time, I've commended him and anyone else who likes a challenge to listen to Late Junction on Radio 3 every week night at 10.15 ish. Eclectic stuff. Still not sure I can bring myself to try Radio 2 but I'll work on it. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:34:39 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC, short Colin Powell was in the military? Are you sure? nyuck, nyuck. Seriously, is he still saying he won't be around in the next 4 years? Is C. Rice coming back? A Bush administration without Powell and Rice would give me the heebie-jeebies. Jim np: 30 year-old ELP > From: "Kakki" > Cheney - born 1/41. 18 years old in 1959. Student deferments from > serving in the military (which most college students routinely did back > then) and no war going on during the years he was eligible for the draft. > > Powell - record speaks for itself. (two wars) > > Rumsfeld - Aviator and Flight Instructor in the U.S. Navy from 1954-1975 > (two wars). Naval Reserve service 1957-1975. Standby Reserve 1975-1989 > retiring with rank of Captain. > > Bush ("W") - despite forged memos and other garbage - served 6 years in > the Texas Air Guard as a F-102 fighter pilot. Could have been called up to > duty in Vietnam at any time. Asked to go to Vietnam but the F-102 was being > retired because it was too dangerous and he didn't have sufficient flight > credits in piloting other aircraft. Honorably discharged. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:06:46 -0400 From: Subject: Stop the Distractions, was: Stop the Bleeding NJC Lookit. I don't think any of them could have had a successful career in politics if they had disgraced themselves in the military. I don't think any of these 4 guys was a lousy soldier/pilot. This stuff is distracting debate time from: * cost of health care, * obscene margins in health insurance, * obscene margins in pharmaceuticals, * loss of jobs, * lack of a Medicare future for boomers, * crumbling infrastructures, and the * steady decline in our standard of living. The country is out of control in many, many ways and we're arguing over who served honorably in a war that few of us thought was meaningful 30 years ago. Two cents, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:16:37 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC, short Colin writes: << I had no idea Vince and Kakki were so mucn older than I.......(or is it me?) >> The use of "I" is correct, Colin. The trick is to add the verb at the end, then choose. (For example: "... older than me am" or "... older than I am.") - --Gov. Jim McGreevey NPIMH: That delightful song from "My Fair Lady" about the English learning English. Oh, I love musicals, don't you? "I am sorry, Governor. Honest, I'll never misattribute any quotations to you again. Now please, please untie me, take this black ball thing out of my mouth, and stop calling me 'the gimp'." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 21:27:28 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: Joni lines > woo hoo - i must be the *only* person with my own name in the line: "Ron had a car" Well, Ron, I've been puzzling about my Joni mantra for a few days now, unable to come up with anything, BUT you gave me my answer! "Annie sits you down to eat, she always makes you welcome in Cats and babies round her feet and all are fat and none are thin" (Everyone close to me calls me Annie!) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 15:48:28 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Joni lines Ron wrote: > > woo hoo - i must be the *only* person with my own name in the line: > > "Ron had a car" And Anne responded with: > Well, Ron, I've been puzzling about my Joni mantra for a few days > now, unable to come up with anything, BUT you gave me my answer! > > "Annie sits you down to eat, she always makes you welcome in > Cats and babies round her feet and all are fat and none are thin" OK, then can I have this? "Hell's the hippest way to go Well I don't think (so)" It "almost" works - although it's a lie, damn it (I DO think, and I'm cool, honest)! Hell ____________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:18:26 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Leonard Cohen njc ***but because even those of us who love him might admit that his voice isnt the most pleasing on the ears, Boy, you're abso-toot-ly right about that...like Burt Bacharach, like Kris Kristofferson, like Paul Williams...he can write them but he can't sing them. That's what makes Joni Mitchell so daggum amazing - she has the composing skills AND the performing skills. As much as I LOVE my covers project and enjoy hearing all these interpretations, very few CLEARLY rise above Joni's in terms of vocal quality. Thanks to Lindsay I've been enjoying Jennifer Warnes' Cohen trib for awhile now, and while I have yet to hear a Cohen vocal that I can bear, his songs are superb as borne out by Jennifer. Bob NP: REM, "Final Straw" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:28:11 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: NJC/Keb Mo **The snippets on Amazons.com aren't enough to convince me to buy anything. so......on your recommendation - do I need to pick up some Mr. Keb Mo?? And if so, which CD? Hi Em - and happy weekend to ye - I enjoy Keb Mo & have his whole catalogue. I've enjoyed his new one "Peace - Back By Popular Demand" because it's so hopeful in the face of all the other dire political releases. Not that I'm critical of any of them, bless 'em all for taking a stand. Anyway, Keb's best remains his debut. Released in 1994 & titled "Keb Mo", it's wonderful, raw & real. I had the good fortune to see him in a room smaller than the Full Moon space touring in support of this record and it was awesome. While I like all his stuff, he got a little sanitized and watered down after this one. So there ya go, girl - git it & groove. Bob NP: John Fogerty, "Deja Vu All Over Again" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:55:25 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: battling terrorism - NJC PC kakki wrote: I tend to think the split >between those who support Bush and those who oppose him really >comes down to >how seriously one believes the threat is. Those who feel from the >depths of >their being that we truly are in danger want to support Bush over the >alternative choice. kakki, as you know how angrily i respond to your posts some times, i hope you'll appreciate how carefully i'm trying to express this calmly. at 9:02 am on september 11, 2001, i sat on a stalled train on the manhattan bridge and watched tower two EXPLODE, less than a mile from me. i know at the depth of my being that we are truly in danger from terrorism; i know it from hard experience. and remember, just a month after 9/11, when we were still reeling here, we had the anthrax incidents. the vietnamese woman who died (something nguyen) rode my subway line. and right that week, i had an eye infection that scared my opthamologist, who prescribed topical ciprofloxin and saw me three times in one week. as if i weren't freaked out enough already, that month. kay ashley and debra shea had horrific 9/11 experiences as well, and we are three of the most well-read and thoughtful liberals on this list. how dare you say that we, or any kerry supporters, don't take the terrorist threat seriously? on terrorism, i support kerry because bush and the republicans are doing a terrible job protecting me. not finishing the job in afghanistan was a horrible mistake, including: 1. not catching osama 2. not finishing off the taliban 3. and not stabilizing the country these have put my life in much more danger than iraq was. not to mention: a. not spending homeland security money on the correct threats, like big cities, port and chemical plant security b. pulling special forces out of afghanistan, and arabic translators away from afghani and pakistani intelligence efforts, where al qaeda was and is active. c. alienating nearly all of our allies, whose help we truly need to battle the terrorist threat. kakki, i just want you to say: "i know that some people just think that bush is doing a bad job protecting america from terrorism" i know you don't agree, but at least say that you understand how we feel. the artificial split you described above (suggesting we don't support bush because we don't believe the threat is serious) is just offensive to those of us who experienced 9/11. patrick np - james macmillan, seven last words from the cross ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:17:24 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC, short I wrote: > > > > Which is when Cheney who had dropped out of school re enrolled to get > > his deferments. > kakki answered > > Not according to the non-biased portions of the Cheney chronology just >posted by Debra which basically shows he entered college in 1959 and >received his B.A. in 1965. > > Kakki > > So it took him six years to get through a 4 year college program? Doesn't that tell you anything? Doesn't that tell you anything at all? You are too smart to play so cloyingly dumb. Do some research. Like he dropped out of college and a few years later when the pace of the draft picked up he re-enrolled to get his student deferment? The man has said as much - "I had other priorities" than serving... which was 5 deferments, more than the usual person ever got because he kept doing whatever - marry, have a kid, in time to get other deferments before they were abolished. 5 deferments total is some real good getting of deferments. It screams hypocrisy of the rankest sort to seek 5 deferments and yet claim to support the war. He could have gone. He himself said he had "other priorities." Why not actually check the facts for yourself. They are out there. This is not a new issue. When he was appointed Secretary of Defense his draft evasion via 5 (more than usual) deferments and why he got them by quickly re enrolling in school and the coincidental marriage and conception of his daughter just as those rules were about to change, it was all laid out then. As it was when he was named chief of staff for Ford and he was supporting the war and prosecuting opponents of the war. Just as it was recalled when he was in Congress. This is not new stuff and if you remember the 50s you might remember the 60s and 70s and 80s and 90s too. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:18:30 -0400 From: vince Subject: Mellisa Ethridge has cancer njc canceling her tour - she has breast cancer - check out the news at cnn.com pray for her Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:52:33 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC, short > So it took him six years to get through a 4 year college program? I think he had to work his way through school and also may have married Lynne at a young age. Lots of people who have to work their way through and have a family take longer than 4 years to get through college. > Doesn't that tell you anything? Doesn't that tell you anything at all? > You are too smart to play so cloyingly dumb. Do some research. Cloyingly dumb - boy oh boy As usual the main subject is changed to make an attack. I was responding to the statement of greedy old men who actively avoided service in the time of war. My response was that when Cheney started out getting deferments there was no war and there wasn't a war for most of the years he was getting his student deferments (which was an acceptable excuse from military service and par for the course for most people attending college back then). Kakki - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:11:27 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: battling terrorism - NJC PC Patrick wrote: > at 9:02 am on september 11, 2001, i sat on a stalled train on the manhattan > bridge and watched tower two EXPLODE, less than a mile from me. i know at > the depth of my being that we are truly in danger from terrorism; i know it > from hard experience. and remember, just a month after 9/11, when we were > still reeling here, we had the anthrax incidents. the vietnamese woman who > died (something nguyen) rode my subway line. and right that week, i had an > eye infection that scared my opthamologist, who prescribed topical > ciprofloxin and saw me three times in one week. as if i weren't freaked out > enough already, that month. > > kay ashley and debra shea had horrific 9/11 experiences as well, and we are > three of the most well-read and thoughtful liberals on this list. And I and many millions of people in the U.S. and in the world sat and cried and felt a horror and shock beyond description for many weeks and months after 9/11. Why? Because we watched those images of what you all were going through and it was unbearable for us. > how dare you say that we, or any kerry supporters, don't take the terrorist > threat seriously? I didn't single you all out in particular, but all I have seen from your party officials and spokespeople and attack dog organizations for 4 years is less of focusing on the actual details of the terror threats and more playing politics by changing the focus to it supposedly being about hidden oil and contractor money agendas and PNAC plans, not to mention other supposed agendas of "right wing fundamentalists seeking fulfillment of bible prophecy" and the rise of the new "fascists." So how dare your people throw this kind of unbelievably hurtful and nasty stuff out in the direction of the other political party who comprises nearly half of your fellow U.S. citizens who also cry, hurt and bleed the same as you do, who also died and experienced devastating losses on 9/11 and who are also just as threatened as you are. You have every right to your other opinions regarding what actions have been taken and how they have made you feel less safe and secure. I could conceivably argue some of your points but my intent would not be to bash you, but to try to convince you that maybe things are not as bad as you may fear. If I did that, it would be coming from my heart and with the best of intentions even if I may be proven wrong. But to argue some of these points does not make me an empty-headed, believe all the lies robot, unfeeling, whatever else, fill in the blanks. It simply means that I am equally concerned, if not equally in agreement on all points. Kakki - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 01:20:57 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC, short Kakki wrote: > > So it took him six years to get through a 4 year college program? > > I think he had to work his way through school and also may have married > Lynne at a young age. Lots of people who have to work their way > through and > have a family take longer than 4 years to get through college. > > > Doesn't that tell you anything? Doesn't that tell you anything at > all? > > You are too smart to play so cloyingly dumb. Do some research. > > Cloyingly dumb - boy oh boy > note: I didn't say you were, I said you play it. And you do no research but go into the "I am being picked on" mode. > > As usual the main subject is changed to make an attack. I was > responding > to the statement of greedy old men who actively avoided service in the > time > of war. My response was that when Cheney started out getting deferments > there was no war and there wasn't a war for most of the years he was > getting > his student deferments (which was an acceptable excuse from military > service > and par for the course for most people attending college back then). > Which is plain wrong, Kakki. He dropped out of school to play. He did not work his way through school. He returned to school when the draft started up in earnest with the war. There were major draft call ups which is why Cheney returned to school and began getting his deferments which he continued by other means after school to avoid the service because in his own words, his own words, "I had other priorities." Cheney admits he avoided the draft by these means, and you won't even accept what Cheney said about it, nor the pure simple facts. You can fabricate his working through school and there were no major increase in draft callups all you want and you remain so disconnected from reality that your statements are beyond astounding. Your refusal to accept reality and fabricate phony spin to make things purport to nontruth is beyond astounding. Make up all you want of things that aren't true and wonder why folks get angry with you and then you feel so picked on. Respect gets lost when you spin fabrications. And that is too bad because as a human being you are one of the most wonderful out there. But when you post such total unreal, phony, made up spin, respect gets lost. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 02:13:42 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 9 On October 9 the following articles were published: 1995: "Celebrity auction turns first page of book gathering" - Denver Post (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=830 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Lexington Herald-Leader (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=166 2000: "A Night with 'the real don Juan'" - Sustained Action Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=549 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:29:08 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC, short Is it my imagination or did somebody say something about a separate list for political discussion being created? I've been deleting these unread but it just seems that this subject line is getting to be the dominant one on the JMDL over the past few days. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 01:44:15 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: What's Killing Paz - (Joni's not here) Cigarettes? I am not talking about ciggies!!!!! I was just talking about smokin' in general.. No pun... Paz (late night after a long day and an important meeting that went nowhere) {except fo the fact that I toasted a bear from across the big pond for his fecking B-Day. Slurp....... > You mean that Smurf is lecturing moi about the ravages of tobacco and about > being a non-smoker for 10 months, while all this time he's puffing?! This is > way too much for me - I need a cigarette! > > Nuriel (I smoke menthol cigarettes. You know, like pregnant women do::) > > Michael Paz wrote: > Hi Nuri > > Smoking??? Smoking?? Smoking you say? I have seen him smoke and have smoked > with him (albiet not in any corner except possibly the corner of the balcony > of the performance space at Jonifest {Full Moon style}) but I digress.. As > usual. > > Paz (puff puff) > >> Michael Paz wrote: >> "STOP! Yer killing me!" >> >> Paz >> >> I'm telling you, Dear Michael, Smurf has quited the wrong thing - he's humour >> is deadlier than smoking! >> >> Nuri >> >>> Nuriel writes: >>> >>> << p.s. Smurf, what is this? Every time i read those Gov. remarks i laugh so >>> hard i can hardly smoke.:) >> >>> >>> >>> It's my secret plan to save my favorite listers from the ravages of tobacco. >>> >>> --Smurf, who's coming up on TEN MONTHS of not smoking on Friday ... speaking >>> of which ... QUEEN LULU! I have an old email addy for you. Please write with >>> a >>> new one (or someone please tell me). >>> >>> >>> "Men! You can't live with 'em and you can't put 'em on the state payroll and >>> expect to be able to diddle with them and have the people pay for it." >>> >>> --Gov. Jim McGreevey >> Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 01:45:01 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Gov. Jim's cartoon debut (njc) Almost peed the bed this am when I saw that on Today this am. Lmao Paz >> Hmm. Is this a Grey Davis reference? >> >> --Smurf >> >> >> "Do you think Grey would look good on me?" >> >> --Gov. Jim McGreevey > > Yes, but the name is G-r-a-y, darling. > > Did you see McGreevey's debut in the latest jibjab cartoon "Good to be in > D.C."? Fun and yucks for all sides. LOL > > http://www.jibjab.com/ > > I think you are raising his profile these days - heeeeheeee > > Kakki > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 01:46:28 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Find Your Own Joni Magical Spell:) -- NJC Fo reeeeeeal? > My Israeli (Yum yum! Want a nice job?) friend Nuriel writes: > > << So, if you wish to find your own magical spell, just think of a Joni lyric > that starts with the first letter of your private name and ends with the last > letter of your family name - and whenever you feel a bit uncertain, a bit > afraid, or if you simply need some good luck, all you have to do is say it 5 > times, and your own angel will be there to help you.:) >> > > > Hi. Gov. Jim McGreevey here, using that dumb shit Smurf's account. Ugh! Guys > like that make me think I might actually be a STRAIGHT American. Anyway, here > are my Joni Magical Spells: > > Jesus was a beggar, he was rich in grace > And Soloman kept his head in all his glory > > Jaws gnashing at me > Each one trying to pull a piece away > > Just come and talk to me > Mr Mystery > > Just like that black crow flying > In a blue sky > > Just when I think he's foolish and childish > And I want him to be manly > > Jealous lovin'll make you crazy, > > --Gov. Jim > > > "Mmph! Hrrrrwalllpph! Prbfkm hhge methnmh!" > > --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:52:05 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Fw: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC, short > note: I didn't say you were, I said you play it. And you do no research > but go into the "I am being picked on" mode. I AM being picked on. Believe me I have NO interest in "playing cloyingly dumb" on these topics. > Which is plain wrong, Kakki. He dropped out of school to play. He did > not work his way through school. He returned to school when the draft > started up in earnest with the war. Because I am apparently truly dumb on these facts maybe you could point me to where these facts about him are proven. Dropped out of school to play?? I've always heard he came from a poor family and did have to work to put himself through school. If you can show me otherwise, please do. After checking again, I was wrong about marrying Lynne at a young age. They married in 1964. I thought it was earlier because they were high school sweethearts. Here's the facts posted by Debra earlier, which conform to other bios I've read of him: Fall '59: Cheney entered Yale. 6/14/62: Cheney withdrew from Yale. (There's 2 1/2 years of college) 1/63: Cheney entered Casper Community College. (There is a six month break between colleges) 5/19/65: Cheney received his B.A. after six years of study at three colleges B.A. from University of Wyoming in '65, and then an M.A. from Univ. of Wyoming in '66, a Ph.D candidate at Univ. of Wisconsin 1968, congressional fellow 1968-1969; special assistant to the Director of OEO 1969-1970; White House staff assistant 1971; assistant director, Cost of Living Council 1971-1973; vice president, Bradley, Woods & Co. 1973-1974; Deputy Assistant to the President 1974-1975; White House Chief of Staff 1975-1977; elected as a Republican to the Ninety-sixth and to the five succeeding Congresses and served from January 3, 1979, until his resignation on March 17, 1989, to accept appointment by President George H.W. Bush as secretary of defense; minority whip (One Hundred First Congress); Secretary of Defense 1989-1993; senior fellow, American Enterprise Institute 1993-1995; chairman and chief executive office of the Halliburton Company 1993-2000; elected Vice President of the United States, on Republican ticket with George W. Bush, in 2000, and began service on January 20, 2001.) Yeah, just gaming the system being a professional student, he was. I'd say overall he has put in a lot of years of service to his country. > There were major draft call ups which is why Cheney returned to school > and began getting his deferments which he continued by other means after > school to avoid the service because in his own words, his own words, "I > had other priorities." Cheney admits he avoided the draft by these > means, and you won't even accept what Cheney said about it, nor the pure > simple facts. I accept that he could have said it but don't take the meaning in the way you do. He DID have other priorities. > You can fabricate his working through school and there were no major > increase in draft callups all you want and you remain so disconnected > from reality that your statements are beyond astounding. > Your refusal to accept reality and fabricate phony spin to make things > purport to nontruth is beyond astounding. > Make up all you want of things that aren't true and wonder why folks get > angry with you and then you feel so picked on. > Respect gets lost when you spin fabrications. > And that is too bad because as a human being you are one of the most > wonderful out there. But when you post such total unreal, phony, made > up spin, respect gets lost. Good grief and Good Lord. 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