From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #405 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 6 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 405 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC Future Jonifests [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Science vs Religion, njc ["Martin Giles" ] why not bush njc [tantra_apso ] Re: For the Roses is better than Blue [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Science vs Religion, njc ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Aliens, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Science vs Religion, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] re: heartening day at the library NJC PC [Garret ] Aliens, njc [] Re: Our Kids & Joni NJC [mags h ] Re: NJC Vote For Change - NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: njc remembering Janis (and John) NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Science vs Religion, njc [] Re: Future Jonifests [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Future Jonifests [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Science vs Religion, njc now something completely different njc ["Mar] Re: Science vs Religion, njc [colin ] Re: Science vs Religion, njc [colin ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Future Jonifests [mags h ] Re: NJC Future Jonifests [Lori Fye ] Re: Future Jonifests ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC Vote For Change - NJC [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC Future Jonifests [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Future Jonifests [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] RE: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC ["Kate Bennett" ] Who served America in the military? NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Aliens, njc ["Kakki" ] Covers # 57 - a quick giveaway [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] dogs njc ["Kate Bennett" ] heartening day at the library NJC PC ["Kate Bennett" ] Today's Library Links: October 6 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:46:10 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Future Jonifests Lori writes: << my cousin is the deputy coroner in Greenville >> Cool! Maybe your cousin could get us a ghoul hand that we could use as a centerpiece or something. Or we could also do some 'periments, like playing Covers CDs for your cousin's "inmates" and seeing if any rise up or spin or anything. - --Smurf "I feel pretty and witty and gay and American." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:46:07 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc Hi again Colin Apologies for the misunderstanding Colin. But if these people (including myself) have made up their minds already, what are they looking for? you tell me. You are the one who has said you believe there is no creator. Unless i misunderstood you. Well it seems much more probable to me that there isn't. What am I looking for? ...aaaahhh. The truth! If it turns out that there is a creator, I'd be pretty surprised, but I'd be able to cope. I'd be fascinated in fact. Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:47:28 +0100 From: tantra_apso Subject: why not bush njc because he is a fundametalist. that is reason enough. he is also a racist. he is also dishonest. he is also stupid. Most importnatly, because if is Bush the whole world is in serious shit. In fact it would justify an attack on the USA to depose him in order to make the world a safer place. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:54:41 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: For the Roses is better than Blue Scott writes: << I couldn't begin to rate Joni's individual albums or songs as "best" to worst. I can rate my own favorites, as you have done. I rather look back at her career output as an artist and remain simply amazed. IMO her best vocal performance was done for "Mingus." Her best lyrics were from "Hejira." Her best production was "Court and Spark." Her "best work" was done over a period of many years. But if one wishes to point to a single album that set a new standard for generations of singer-songwriters, then "Blue" it is. >> Thanks, Scott. I think this is very much like the thought I have been trying to form for years now. Joni maintained such a high level for so long -- before she retired -- I really can't say any one song is the best. And I like the way you didn't say that Blue was Joni's best. - --Smurf "Helloooooo. I'm Randy." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:52:23 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc What's that expression? ROTFLMAO !! Yeah, that's it. Martin. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:30 PM Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc > Colin writes: > > << You know, I say the same thing over and over again and still people read > something else. i wonder why? >> > > > Yes, Colin, it was a lovely day here. A bit cold this morning, and there are > weather reports predicting our first frost tonight -- brrr! -- but the days > are very nice for this time of year. > > Thanks for asking. > > --Smurf > > > "LA LA LA LA LA I am not listening to Smurf anymore LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA > fingers in my ears LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA." > > --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:01:01 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Aliens, njc I hope you didn't think I was trying to be silly or somehow > disrespectful to a religion talking about "extraterrestials." No not at all, free speech is OK. Even more > fascinating to me is how archaeologists, anthropologists and researchers > have discovered similar "ancient astronaut" type themes running through many > diverse and sometimes isolated cultures. Kakki Yes it is strange indeed. By the same token I think one might be fascinated to read many "modern" concepts in the Bible and other ancient texts: legal, medical, social precerpts and commentaries. The question always comes: "how could they possibly know of this 5000 + years ago?" Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:33:13 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Science vs Religion, njc . My original question was how does > saying God created everything explain anything? Colin, you profess that you > don't know. I'd like to have things explained to me by someone who feels that > the existance of a creator does answer these big questions. > > Martin. > > Ron added: > believing in god only adds a whole new dimension to the where do we come > from, where does the universe come from, why are we here, what caused life > type questions - by moving them one step backwards to where does god from, > why did he make us, what was he thinking when he made churches. and why is > there so much crap on earth type questions. > Hi Martin, I understand you're just catching the thread and haven't followed it since the beginning, right? I agree with Ron, you're not getting any further explanation here and you probably won't. My original point was that it's because science cannot explain anything when it comes to Life for instance and what science does see about life on earth is totally unexplainable and the probability being 0 of all this happening by chance leads me to believe in a Creator. I can't tell you anything else I'm afraid, except to hook up with some religious scholars who would have more details and answers for you. I remember hearing tapes by a french rabbi who was adressing those very issues, so let us know what you find. Laurent PS: Smurf, I was ROTFL! Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:55:05 +0100 From: Garret Subject: re: heartening day at the library NJC PC >Who they eventually vote for isn't the >point; it's the fact that people who have never registered have been >inspired to do so. I agree with this so much. It says so much. Of course, it's not just the USA with the low voter turnout. It's Ireland and Britain and probably any other country you care to mention. You really have made a very cogent observation that cuts to the heart of the matter. GARRET > > Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:41:05 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: heartening day at the library NJC PC I work at a public library, and I helped a LOT of people register to vote today. I don't remember anyone registering at the library in 1996 or 2000, despite all our flyers and posters and handouts. After years of apathy it's so great to see this interest. Who they eventually vote for isn't the point; it's the fact that people who have never registered have been inspired to do so. (although I must say it's a Democratic town and I was helping a lot of folks whose - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:25:42 -0400 From: Subject: Aliens, njc On the persistence of aliens in so many human cultures: Almost every culture "reads" personalities into the constellations. It's a useful way to make them memorable. Becoming familiar with the constellations is useful to gauge the seasons, yada, yada. It's a small step to imagining humans coming down from the heavens. I think it was in "Cosmos" where Carl Sagan said that if life exists beyond our sphere, it would almost certianly not look a thing like us. For example, if life exists under the ice, in the deep, dark ocean of Europa, it wouldn't have eyes. It couldn't do photosynthesis. He notes that although we take for granted having 2 arms and legs, science says we mutated them from an organism which had one of each. Somewhere along the way, a cell didn't split in half correctly but the freak was able to reproduce anyway. In a way, each of us is almost a pair of self-contained, conjoined, twins. Sagan imagines life in the clouds above Saturn but to any of us, it would just look like more clouds. Two cents, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:23:02 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Re: Our Kids & Joni NJC Since Im on Joni only, the true inner circle of this list ;-), I seem to have missed the point of a thread that included my name.. Gee I wonder why Brian thinks Joni women kick ass???? Mags, au Canada. Patti Parlette wrote: Too funneee! Thanks, Brian. Say hello to your Joni woman for me....Joni women rule! You are lucky to have one, and you know it! Laughing it all away, Patti > >--- Patti Parlette wrote: > > > > P.S. Gotcha, Chris! I TOLD you I was going to report you to the Joni > > Police! Now Paz will never get you Jack Nielson's autograph. And Brian replies: >You see Chris, better to NOT get on the bad side of any of these Joni >women. >They kick ass and take no prisoners! (Take it from one who knows, >first-hand) > >Brian in NJ > >===== >Don't it always seem to go >That you don't know what you've got till it's gone > > --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ let us just be side by side, helping, respecting and understanding each other, in common effort to serve humankind. ~Dalai Lama~ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:47:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Vote For Change - NJC **Was there political talk from the stage? Were performers telling the audience to vote for Kerry, or was it all generic "Get out and vote" talk? Before the show began, Bruce & Michael Stipe came out to make some announcements about all the "Vote For Change" shows...after every show they said VOTE FOR CHANGE and with each time the crowd reacted a bit stronger. Then, Brighteyes was up first...he had a comment about being tired of having a "mandate from a f*cking idiot", that was fairly pointed! Stipe had on a white suit with a Kerry T-shirt. He talked a lot, but I don't remember specific references, it was mostly rambling. In between the REM & Bruce sets, they played a 10-minute Vote For Change film which featured Bonnie Raitt, Jackson Browne, Bruce, Stipe, Dave Matthews, and others all talking about how our country was headed in the wrong direction and that we were facing a "when in the course of human events" moment. Bruce pushed hardest for registration and gave specific dates for everyone to register. He also said someting to the effect "I believe Senator Kerry & Senator Edwards have the better ideas for leading our country". Even though he could have gotten away with saying anything, his comments were respectful and mostly prompted people to use their voice/vote. Outside the Arena, besides the registration booths, "Bush Must Go" yard signs were moving like hotcakes. I wonder if anyone thought they would be interpreted as instructions for the gardener? Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Trampled Rose" (from Real Gone, out today!) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:51:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc remembering Janis (and John) NJC And please don't forget about that impossible dreamer John Lennon, who would be 64 (maybe Paul would sing "When I'm 64 for him?) this weekend. I "imagine" he would be all over the news protesting what is happening in the world. Bob NP: Tom Waits "Green Grass" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:03:29 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc Martin and everyone, That's the way I get it too. I saw a program about string theory. They said in addition to the 4 dimensions we navigate with (time, height, width, and length), the big bang can be understood completely if you use 10 dimensions. Before our universe existed, two OTHER universes bumped into each other and the interaction produced a bang. I imagine it as two backstage curtians that are not touching but there's nothing in between them. No matter, no space, just a possibility. The 2 curtains moved towards each other and when they touched, the intersection became a hole. An immense amount of matter/energy squirted through from SOMEWHERE ELSE, literally "out of nowhere". Suddenly, the "area" between the curtians was filled with stuff and it was expanding outward: the Big Bang. (The original stuff wasn't helium or hydrogen. There weren't even any protons. Protons evolved! It was sub-sub-atomic building blocks like quarks.) It's just a metaphor; there was no "area"; it was 10 dimensions, not 3; but it works for me as a visual model. Some say that other universes might not have the same kind of stuff we have like protons and time. I guess an invisible universe without matter or time might be where our Souls come from. Who could argue that we're not just passing through? "We are spirits in the material world." "There's no comprehending" Lama From: "Martin Giles" >The way I understand the theory is that as far back as the evidence can be traced, the universe appears to squash down into an infinitely small space and at that point the laws of physics as we understand them, don't work any more. More than that - well (I'll say this once again) they are still looking. It's difficult to get my head around the idea that time (like the other dimensions) didn't exist because my whole perception of the world is based on all dimensions as they are now, but why should answers be easy to understand? It may be that only people who can understand higher mathematics will ever be able to cope with that concept, but that doesn't mean that it can't be the answer, or part of it. Especially because the theory accounts for a lot of the things we can observe in the universe now.> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:09:46 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Future Jonifests excuse me for replying a little late on this, but it still hurts to type after the hand surgery. like others have written, i would defintelty like to move on from the full moon. although it was a nice place to have such large number of people to accomodate, i would like to see some other parts of the US or the world for that matter. for the money that we spent flying up to Albany, the rental car, the accomodations, the questionable quality of the food, we could have gone to europe. the most important factor for me is to see my fellow jmdlers, but i also like to see other parts of the country or world, and make it a vacation/jonifest. i've attended 7 jonifests/minifest so far, and my favorites have been Pazfest in new olreans, the 2 in Boston at Ashara's, the mini LA fest, and the Joni hommage in Toronto. we got to be with some great friends, but also got to see some of the city too. I spent just as much money at the Full Moon, so I don't really care to go there again. although i enjoyed listening to my friends perform, 4 nights of planned music was a little too much for me. the impromptu jams are better IMO i would love to go back to new orleans (or honduras as Paz suggested). i'd love to do out west......colorado or california. the suggestion of canada would be great..........and anywhere in europe would be WONDERFUL!!! i know it takes a lot of work to throw a large jonifest together, so even having minifests are great. i'm hoping to go to cindy's in birmingham next year........and alison's wedding in utah. how bout a mini jonifest cruise ? :~) jimmy great talking with Mags over the weekend, and Queen Lulu today! "Who is Bob Murphy, and why haven't I done him yet?" - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:30:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC Thanks for your post Debra...as always you've said everything on my mind so I have nothing to add...I have tried to pass this website along to people who don't think Kerry is the greatest thing since sliced white bread (It IS a real website btw...): _http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com/_ (http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com/) As for being civil...with a total of 1202 US dead & 7531 wounded, not to mention the tens of thousands of Iraqis dead, their familes & lives destroyed forever...being civil seems ludicrous to me. BUT...let's all do our part to mark our NJC posts as such - of that much Bob S is spot on. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Don't Go Into That Barn" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:33:32 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Future Jonifests **I'm curious, Bob ... any particular reason why you don't want to return to the Full Moon? In general, I just think it behooves the spirit of the fest to move it around, or at least offer some options and shake it up a bit - the whole format just seems stale and "been there done that", nothing to get too excited about. Moving to another location makes it more logistically feasible for folks from other geographical locations besides the NE US to attend more easily. Maybe it's just me, but the biggest appeal for me is meeting new faces, I was also not crazy about the Full Moon's layout - everyone being spread out in the cabins...it created instant mini-cliques and for someone like me who stayed in the main house and didn't bring a traveling companion, I felt left out of most things during the days. If we could find a place that could house all of us that would be preferable imo. I also didn't care for the food (I'm sure I'm the minority as everyone else raves about it) and the lack of A/C made dining VERY uncomfortable and sleeping darn near impossible. I have no problem with dripping sweat when I do yardwork or work out, but I do like to be comfortable when I sleep & eat. Maybe I'm just getting to be a spoiled old fart. I'm sure I've made it sound like I hated the Full Moon; not true, and the owners could NOT be more accomodating. I just burned out on it I suppose. **Hey, my cousin is the deputy coroner in Greenville and so, for me, Greenville would be fine! Maybe she can arrange a tour of the morgue for those of us who are forensically inclined ... >; ) Fest or not, come on down and I'll give you the nickel tour! Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Circus" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:34:24 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc now something completely different njc Hi Ron Well it's going to be about six more months I'm afraid. We've written a lot of new stuff, and there's a whole lot more in the pipeline. We're just getting ready to go in the studio (well actually, a beautiful barn conversion with it's own baby grand Bosendorfer). Budgets being what they are though, we're going to have to do this over a number of well seperated weekends. You may know that Les Ross is now a permanent member of the band, and we've been joined by an extremely talented drummer/keyboard player - Derek Scurll, who the Jonifesters this year all met and fell in love with (Hey Smurfy!). Derek is a Cambridge music graduate, and is in the process of arranging parts for a string quartet on some of the songs. He's also going to be at the piano and last but not least supplying the drums and perc. So. I'd better stop thinking about the eternal verities and check up on Derek to make sure he isn't taking over the entire band ;0) Martin. > > of course - there is on question you *could* answer - if you chose to - so > please, please do answer & tell us - WHEN IS THE NEXT FECKIN STRYNGS ALBUM > HITTING THE SHELVES ITS OVER A YEAR NOW AND SURELY ITS AUTUMN > ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 00:38:34 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc Martin Giles wrote: > > > Well it seems much more probable to me that there isn't. What am I > looking for? ...aaaahhh. The truth! > good. me too. i think that is the important thing-and i think that search for truth is what goodness is about and i think it is inbuilt. > If it turns out that there is a creator, I'd be pretty surprised, > but I'd be able to cope. I'd be fascinated in fact. > > Martin. > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 00:41:46 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > >Before our universe existed, two OTHER universes bumped into each other and the interaction produced a bang. > which leaves the same question unanswered...... > > > - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:42:11 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Re: Future Jonifests chiming in on this one a little late too, mostly because I just cannot decide where to vote for....and I would never in a million years be able to manage all that goes into the Fest on a grand scale because it's just too complicated.... ;-) I'd seriously love to see the Fest happen in Europe or in the mid west America and very serious about here in western Canada....(prairies) there are many beautiful places out here...close to Joni country. There's so much going on in the Peg in the summer...but then it's so far for the Europeans. I give up, I will go wherever it is.... and help in whatever way I can. I loved hearing your voice too Jimmy ;-) and Queen Lulu on my answering machine today !!!! love, Mags let us just be side by side, helping, respecting and understanding each other, in common effort to serve humankind. ~Dalai Lama~ vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:16:17 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: NJC Future Jonifests Thanks for all the input, Bob. I feel differently about Full Moon (I love pretty much everything about it, including the lack of A/C), but I think it's valuable to share our opinions about it. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:09:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Future Jonifests Jimmy wrote: > the most important factor for me is to see my fellow jmdlers, but i also like > to see other parts of the country or world, and make it a vacation/jonifest. These are important factors to me, too. I'm lucky if I can even squeeze out the time to have ANY kind of vacation each year so when I do travel afar and save up my clams to do so, I want to enjoy something extra in addition to the fest and make the most of it. I think a lot of people have limitations with money and time so there is an added incentive if the fest moves around and can become a combined fest weekend/vacation/sightseeing/places we've always wanted to visit kind of thing. Plus, other people who are not usually able to come to one place may be able at attend in a different venue. The years I traveled to the fest in Boston, I always planned extra days to drive around and experience places I'd never been before. I'm real, real partial to any fest location in a tropical or semi-tropical environment like the suggested Honduras, Florida or New Orleans because it is relaxing to me (and I (and probably a lot of us) certainly am in extreme need of relaxing from my day to day world). I also would love something in Europe - having never been there it would be an opportunity to combine the wonderful festivities with touring. Laurent's place sounds wonderful as does John's Holland (but fuggedabout the cycling! ;-). Kakki - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:15:24 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Vote For Change - NJC The *other* Bob M writes: << "Bush Must Go" yard signs were moving like hotcakes. I wonder if anyone thought they would be interpreted as instructions for the gardener? >> Ha! Sorta like, "Bring me a shrubbery." - --Smurf "Eeeeeeew. Bush." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:24:46 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC Lori wrote: > As I just wrote privately to Debra, it must be that people in the two camps -- > those who prefer Kerry versus those who prefer Bush -- are simply "wired" > differently. I've said as much before here and have been roundly attacked as usual. > I just don't get it, but, like Debra, I am curious about any Bush supporter's > reasons for voting for him. Especially since a vote for Bush is a vote for his > entire package of war hawks and PNAC cronies. > > Any Bush supporter care to respond? With all respect, are you kidding? A few have put forth their opinions and viewpoints here for years now and have been met with, if,not outright attack, a solid brick wall. No one reads the back-up put forth, or if they do, it is ignored or the subject changed. Bob S and I may be the only ones left here on the list. I find it extremely upsetting, disheartening and amazing to read the constant bashing and wild accusations of Bush and by extension of Republicans, with the same old stuff that has been repeatedly disproven or has no basis in reality. The hate of him seems to bring some kind of intense empowerment to people that is truly beyond my understanding, so at this point, there seems to be nothing productive in putting forth my opinion or input. In my simple mind - why did Bush not dazzle everyone in the first debate? He'd spent that day traveling around Florida meeting with hurricane victims and was exhausted. Add to that the almost 4 years of some of the most vitriolic and vicious bashing of a president in history, and I'd be a bit peavish and exhausted by all the hate, too. But it is what it is and life goes on. Kakki - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:37:46 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Future Jonifests Muller writes: << for someone like me who stayed in the main house and didn't bring a traveling companion, I felt left out of most things during the days. >> But you were left out, Bob, you were! And I think we would have been wicked, wicked people if we had actually invited you to the nightly Extreme Covers Frisbee Toss, Bake-off and Flamenco Dance Contest. - --Smurf "I have a feeling I'm not running New Jersey anymore, Toto." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:42:16 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Re: Future Jonifests Looks like the overwhelming majority wants to see Jonifest somewhere besides Full Moon, so I am officially signing off of all Jonifest duties and hope that someone will pick up the ball in Europe, Canada, midwest, west coast, or wherever. Hope to see you all "somewhere!" Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:05:50 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC >As for being civil...with a total of 1202 US dead & 7531 wounded, not to mention the tens of thousands of Iraqis dead, their familes & lives destroyed forever...being civil seems ludicrous to me.< I wonder how many here have someone directly involved in the war, I wonder how many who do are supporters of 'staying the course'. this staying the course will eventually suck in many more of our young kids. am a believer in civility but my civility nerve is badly frayed . I care less about hurting people's feelings who are bush supporters & I care more about speaking out against an administration that is as corrupt as I have ever seen in my lifetime ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:11:11 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Who served America in the military? NJC RECOGNIZING THOSE WHO SERVED This could be the last election where military service has any political currency. But just for the record, it's worth noting who really served among the heavyweights in each of the major political parties. There are some surprises here. Democrats Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71. David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72. Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72. Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan.1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade. Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor,Vietnam. Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, WWII. John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V Purple Hearts. John Edwards: did not serve. Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea. Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star &Bronze Star, Vietnam. Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-1953. Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91. Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal. Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit. Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart. Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V. Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star. Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57 Chuck Robb: Vietnam Howell Heflin: Silver Star George McGovern: Silver Star &DFC during WWII. Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received 311. Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy. Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953 John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters. Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg. Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point,Vietnam, Purple Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general. John Dingell: WWII vet John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea Republicans Dennis Hastert: did not serve. Tom Delay: did not serve. House Whiip Roy Blunt: did not serve. Bill Frist: did not serve. Rudy Giuliani: did not serve. George Pataki: did not serve. Mitch McConnell: did not serve. Rick Santorum: did not serve. Trent Lott: did not serve. Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage. John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business. Jeb Bush: did not serve. Karl Rove: did not serve. Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism. Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve. Vin Weber: did not serve. Richard Perle: did not serve. Douglas Feith: did not serve. Eliot Abrams: did not serve. Richard Shelby: did not serve. Jon Kyl: did not serve. Tim Hutchison: did not serve. Christopher Cox: did not serve. Newt Gingrich: did not serve. Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight instructor. George W. Bush: six-year Nat'l Guard commitment (incomplete). Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies. Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII Phil Gramm: did not serve. John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Bob Dole: an honorable veteran. Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star,Vietnam. Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-1986 JC Watts: did not serve. Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer. G.H.W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese. Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam. Antonin Scalia: did not serve. Clarence Thomas: did not serve Pundits and Preachers Sean Hannity: did not serve. Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.') Bill O'Reilly: did not serve. Michael Savage: did not serve. George Will: did not serve. Chris Matthews: did not serve. Paul Gigot: did not serve. Bill Bennett: did not serve. Pat Buchanan: did not serve. Bill Kristol: did not serve. Kenneth Starr: did not serve. Michael Medved: did not serve. Who has the right, the knowledge and the experience to lead us into war...and who does not? Who will make us safer? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT click here _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SunbeamsRus/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: SunbeamsRus-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:12:10 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Stop the Bleeding - NJC PC >> As I just wrote privately to Debra, it must be that people in the two >> camps -- those who prefer Kerry versus those who prefer Bush -- are simply >> "wired" differently. > I've said as much before here and have been roundly attacked as usual. >> Any Bush supporter care to respond? > With all respect, are you kidding? Kakki, I know from the history of this list what you're saying, and I understand. I must admit that I have not always read the supporting links you and others have offered, but lately I've been trying my best to do so. > The hate of him [Bush] seems to bring some kind of intense empowerment to > people that is truly beyond my understanding, so at this point, there seems > to be nothing productive in putting forth my opinion or input. We're probably never going to change one another's minds; afterall, we are not "swing voters." But I think there's always a point to sharing our opinions and having discussion, so long as it doesn't stoop to the level of personal insult (which of course it has, many times). As for hating Bush, I don't. He terrifies me, but I don't hate him. I actually spent about half of last week's debate feeling embarrassed for him. > In my simple mind - why did Bush not dazzle everyone in the first debate? > He'd spent that day traveling around Florida meeting with hurricane victims > and was exhausted. You know, I would feel for him on that count if he would just once show up at Dover AFB when the bodies are coming home from the war. That he chose to spend the day before such an important debate soothing hurricane victims seemed to some to smack of over-confidence in his debating skills. Personally, I would've waited until Friday to visit Florida. So I can't cut Bush too much slack for being tired. > Add to that the almost 4 years of some of the most vitriolic and vicious > bashing of a president in history, and I'd be a bit peavish and exhausted by > all the hate, too. Kakki, I love you. You know I'm gonna say this, though: The most vitriolic and vicious bashing of a president in history was aimed at Clinton, and he had to put up with it for 8 years. Yet the country enjoyed its most prosperous and happy time on his watch. (Maybe those "Sloan greetings" from Monica helped ease the exhaustion.) The sad thing about Bush is that his peavishness made him look like he didn't think he should have to be explaining (nevermind defending) his record at all. It's well known that he didn't want to engage in these debates. I will say this, although I dislike doing so: imo, Cheney won tonight's debate. I actually have more respect for him now. Too bad for the adminstration that Cheney isn't running for the top spot, but good for them that he's on the ticket. Smart move on his part to have his daughter and her partner on stage after it ended, too. I'm looking forward to the next debate to see if Bush fairs better than he did last week. Still voting for Kerry/Edwards, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:14:04 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Aliens, njc De Smurf asked: > Hmm. I am not McGetting this McGreevey quotation. Does anyone else have a > McGuess at what this means? (Please let me know sometime, Kakki.) Oh well, Gov. Jim (in his former incarnation) reminds me a bit of someone else who used to be a CA governor. Guess I was being too regional there ;-) Kakki "I feel pretty, oh, so pretty, that the city should give me its key, a committee should be organized to honor me. I feel dizzy, I feel sunny, I feel fizzy and funny and fine, and so pretty, Miss America can just resign!" -- The Governator - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:14:40 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers # 57 - a quick giveaway OK, I've got an extra copy of Joni Covers Volume 57 to fling, so I've got an EASY trivia question...but first, this covers update: Hopefully you'll recall a couple weeks ago I posted about a newly-released CD from Roxana Amed with a Spanish-language version of Amelia. I received the CD today (and heard the track several days ago thanks to my JMDL-pal Eduardo) and lo and behold, there's a bonus track that is also Amelia but is sung in English. Both are beautiful, of course, but I like the Spanish-language one better. Anyway, now this brings me to my easy trivia question - first to answer it gets a freebie frisbee #57: This is not the first Joni cover to be a hidden/bonus track - there have actually been a few. Name another Joni cover that was a hidden track (song and artist). Bob NP: Steve Earle & The Dukes, "F the CC" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:26:02 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: dogs njc >The recent genome study of the dog reached the conclusion that they are most closely realted to wolves of the breeds of dog available now(along with a couple of other breeds) and were one of the most anceint breeds. If anyone is interested in seeing the difference between the real thing and faux one, I can send you a pic that will show you.< I am interested in seeing the difference! My dog is very wolf like a mix of chow husky & maybe some wolf in her... & 100 pounds of double coated (now shedding) loveable intelligent independent strong willed silliness! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:55:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: heartening day at the library NJC PC >I work at a public library, and I helped a LOT of people register to vote today. I don't remember anyone registering at the library in 1996 or 2000, despite all our flyers and posters and handouts. After years of apathy it's so great to see this interest. Who they eventually vote for isn't the point; it's the fact that people who have never registered have been inspired to do so. (although I must say it's a Democratic town and I was helping a lot of folks whose demographics would suggest a Kerry vote).< hooray! its good to hear deb... my son told me last night he'd registered to vote... I've always told him how important I felt it was but I don't think he's ever voted before ... he told me it was important to him this year to get bush out... small miracles... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: For the Roses is better than Blue Scott writes: "I couldn't begin to rate Joni's individual albums or songs as "best" to worst." My man, who's not a jmdl member, but has my permission to sometimes read a message or 2, asked me to tell you all the he, unlike Scott, has no problem in rating Joni's best song. It's called Jericho. Nuri p.s. Smurf, what is this? Every time i read those Gov. remarks i laugh so hard i can hardly smoke.:) "Helloooooo. I'm Randy." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 02:11:21 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 6 On October 6 the following article was published: 1998: "Joni Mitchell captures perfection with latest" - Hamilton Spectator (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=128 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #405 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)