From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #400 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, October 3 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 400 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: STOP THE BLEEDING .. VOTE FOR KERRY - NJC ["Marian Russell" ] Re: STOP THE BLEEDING .. VOTE FOR KERRY - NJC [colin ] Re: STOP THE BLEEDING .. VOTE FOR KERRY - NJC [Em ] Re: Science vs Religion, njc [Em ] STOP THE BLEEDING .. VOTE FOR KERRY ["Kate Bennett" ] joni mention [tantra_apso ] how to help get the vote out NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: STOP THE BLEEDING .. VOTE FOR KERRY - NJC ["Marian Russell" ] 6 Feet Under njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Science vs Religion, njc [Randy Remote ] Re: thought for the day, njc ["Kakki" ] Re: Science vs Religion, njc ["Kakki" ] Science vs Religion, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Science vs Religion, njc ["Kakki" ] Re: joni mention -- now with 12 kinds of NJC, pluc Carly and James [Smurf] Re: Science vs Religion, njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Dreamland in London ["janine sherman" ] Re: Science vs Religion, njc ["Kakki" ] Aliens, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Science vs Religion, njc [colin ] Aliens, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: joni mention -- now with 12 kinds of NJC, pluc Carly and James [coli] Re: Aliens, njc [colin ] Re: Aliens, njc [colin ] Re: Aliens, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Aliens, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] What a show!!! NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: joni mention -- now with 12 kinds of NJC, pluc Carly and James [Smur] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #280 [Bill Dollinger ] Cowboy Junkies in the UK NJC [] Re: Science vs Religion, njc [Randy Remote ] Lyrics I "Got" 30 Years Later, Recurring thread #417, njc [] DJRD [michael.cathyb@optusnet.com.au] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 04:06:06 -0400 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: re: STOP THE BLEEDING .. VOTE FOR KERRY - NJC FredNow@aol.com wrote: <> This is a great idea, Fred. I would only add, adopt some Republicans if you can. I have adopted two, and I think I have managed to convince one of them to switch sides after I sent him an article written by the son of Eisenhower who says he is voting for Kerry - that what is at stake for the US and the world makes the outcome of this election is more important than loyalty to the party of our parents. I found the link to the article at: www.bushfilter,com It is a really great website that consolidates all the daily news and info and it's very useful for staying informed and for informing your friends. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:33:06 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: STOP THE BLEEDING .. VOTE FOR KERRY - NJC Marian writes: << what is at stake for the US and the world makes the outcome of this election is more important than loyalty to the party of our parents. >> Hi, Marian. I just wanted to jump in here to question your use of the words "our parents." My parents and my grandparents were all Democrats because they believed that the Republican party was the party of the rich, and that the Democrats were the ones who cared about working people and the middle class. (Funny, I don't think that's changed at all.) Also, if anyone is planning to "adopt" a voter in order to get that person to vote for Kerry, it would be smart to get a voter from one of those states that could go either way. Massachusetts and its electoral votes, for example, will go to Kerry, so for me to get a local voter to vote for Kerry would never change the number of electoral votes he gets. And finally, I received the following from a friend. Lots of food for thought here: A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN Joe gets up at 6 A.M. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised. All but $10 of his medications is paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance -- now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry. In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor. Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune. Its noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FDIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression. Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to. Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have." - --Smurf "I am a Democrat and I would do *anything* -- if you catch my drift -- for the common man. Especially if he's cute." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:48:37 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Hey y'all Hi Well I'm back from outerspace - I couldn't stand not being part of the jmdl for much longer so I've signed on to the onlyjoni digest so I won't miss anything! How obsessive? Just to fill you in I'm in rehearsals for a theatre show in Plymouth which is about to go on tour from Tuesday (Plymouth the city/town which the Pilgrim Fathers set sail to start the British colony in America - bizarre to see a list of the people on the Mayflower steps to see where they were from and what they did...) Anyway... quite nice the other week to see on Channel 4 TV the ad for Dreamland while watching 6 Feet Under - the right target audience me thinks! I went out and bought it the next day! I think it was the excitement of seeing the ad that made me buy it. And I came away from London with no cds whatsoever so I had to get this. It's Joni Lite. Anyway, it reached number 30 in Tesco's so I was pleased... Really bizarre seeing an ad for her after all this time of not seeing anything AT ALL for ANY OF HER ALBUMS EVER in the UK, only the odd poster on the tube and postcard in pubs. I hope everyone is good and well. Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 14:12:25 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: STOP THE BLEEDING .. VOTE FOR KERRY - NJC Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > > > >A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN > > > that was to the point. maybe these benefits should only apply to non republicans? - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:48:49 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Science vs Religion, njc Hi All, Not trying to revive a dead thread here, but I saw my biologist buddy yesterday so I've got some more facts to share. His premise, contrary to mine, is not to prove that G_d exists via science. Rather, he thinks that science is not incompatible with religion. First, on the topic that we're all stardust and carbon (Jerry's argument), if the structure of carbon had been 0.01% different from what it is, polymers could not have formed and life would not exist, period. Again, what's the probability that carbon would be exactly what it is? Second, the big bang could happen because energy was transformed mostly into hydrogen. The next molecule down the chain that is very close in structure is iron. Can't really see an iron universe expanding, except the Matrix. So the big bang itself was a close call. Third, my favorite, life on earth. Picture this: big bang is 14 billion years ago. Earth is 4 billion years old. By the time Earth cools down below 1000C (boiling point) and oceans form: 3.8 billion years ago. LIFE: 3-3.5 billion years ago. Now this is the 1st amazing thing: life appeared very fast, almost immediately (300 million years is nothing)! PLURI CELLULAR life (plants and animals)= 800 million years ago. Here is the 2nd amazing thing; * for 2.2 to 2.7 billion years, bacteria was the only form of life on Earth. The biological structure of bacteria have not evolved for 3 billion years (I'm not talking mutants here, but structure is identical today as back then). * For 2.2-2.7 billion years there's no evolution, nothing. Then all of a sudden, at the same time and seemingly out of nowhere appear evolved organisms: plants and animals. First simple ones (fish and grass), then Jurassic 300-400 million years ago then evolution takes us to the most evolved forms, humans and orchids respectively! You already know my conclusions. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:40:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: STOP THE BLEEDING .. VOTE FOR KERRY - NJC Wow Smurf, that smacked me upside the head. (in a good way) Trying to think who I could share this with, but it would sort of be preaching to the choir. What if I show it to a guy who insists on voting for Nader? If Nader's not on the ballot - who knows what he'll do. Why do some people hate the Dems so much? Sheesh...... Jing NP Los Mocosos, from "American Us" - not sure what song - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN > > Joe gets up at 6 A.M. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare > his > morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging > liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first > swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His medications are > safe to > take because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety > and > that they work as advertised. ....snip...... ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:16:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > You already know my conclusions. Hi Laurent, wow.....you do provide a powerhouse of an arguement. Just seems such a round about way to come to "faith". As opposed to the simple reasons the "ancients" had their faith. i.e: springtime comes every year, the sun rises every morning, the wheat grows,etc. Wishing you as much joy and good vibes as possible in your convictions. :) Em < Subject: STOP THE BLEEDING .. VOTE FOR KERRY Nice to hear from you fred! I have heard of many republicans jumping ship over to voting for kerry this year because they see just how far gone the bush administration is... after watching the debates it is hard for be to believe that anyone with any critical thinking skills would be able to say bush is their candidate- nobody is home! to me the only explanation would be blind party loyalty or extreme religious belief (the one that tells them bush is there because god put him there)... I'm more concerned about voting integrity- voting machines being used in states with no paper trails & voters of color (mostly kerry supporters) being intimidated to vote or young voters (mostly kerry supporters) not being allowed to vote where they are enrolled in school) & even the military vote (absentee) many of whom are leaning more towards kerry this year ... there is a lot of stuff like that going on so I'd urge everyone to check on what is going on in their state- find out who is in charge & where their party loyalties lie... you can sign up to be a volunteer to help ensure that voters are allowed to vote... can you believe this is happening in our country? This administration is so corrupt & the only way I think they will be able to "win" is the way they "won" last time... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 18:06:37 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: thought for the day, njc THOUGHT FOR THE DAY There's a picture of Snoopy saying: Never hold your farts in. They travel up your spine, into your brain, and that is where shitty ideas come from!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:55:21 +0100 From: tantra_apso Subject: joni mention seems like Joni should be thankful she escaped this reltionship.... http://www.saga.co.uk/magazine/article/D9E2E330-498A-4C70-89F4-A428701FC5C3.asp?bhcp=1 - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 09:57:11 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: how to help get the vote out NJC Two important battleground states, ohio & florida, have had some swarmy things going on regarding voter disenfranchisement . here are some sites where you can get informed & volunteer to help no matter where you live http://www.americavotes.org/ http://actforvictory.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:55:22 -0400 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: STOP THE BLEEDING .. VOTE FOR KERRY - NJC - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:33:06 EDT >Marian writes: > ><< what is at stake for the US and the world makes the outcome of this election is more important than loyalty to the party of our parents. >> > > >Hi, Marian. > >I just wanted to jump in here to question your use of the >words "our parents." My parents and my grandparents were all >Democrats I badly paraphrased the article by Eisenhower's son and didn't mean to infer anyone's political party here. You should read his article - it's a lot better than what I wrote. My parents were originally democrats, but my dad became more conservative as he got older. I have always been a democrat. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:10:45 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc hi >>>laurent wrote >>>> Rather, he thinks that science is not incompatible with religion. as einstein said: "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." religion that feels threatened by science is superstition. but scientists have still got a long, long way to go before discovering the secret to making life: what is electricity???? why is water, one of the basic requirements for life, a liquid, when according to its chemical composition it should be a gas..... two basics, we use daily. scientists havent figured them out yet (but probably will someday - there are some bright boys playing science :-) ron ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:26:44 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: 6 Feet Under njc Jamie Zubairi wrote: >> Anyway... quite nice the other week to see on Channel 4 TV the ad for > Dreamland while watching 6 Feet Under - the right target audience me > thinks! Does anyone else feel that the quality of this program has gone seriously downhill in the most recent season? I'm not going to cite specifics since I don't think people in the UK and elsewhere have access to the most recent season. I actually sent an email to the show's website about one episode in particular that, quite frankly, appalled me. Mark E. in Seattle back from a trip to the midwest and finally able to catch up after a bout with shingles on a part of his anatomy that is most incovenient for sitting at the computer - or for sitting at all. It still hurts! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 11:36:39 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc This is fascinating, and whatever the origin, life in the universe is so improbable and fragile that we should respect and revere it for the unlikely miracle that it is. Laurent Olszer wrote: > * For 2.2-2.7 billion years there's no evolution, nothing. Then all > of a sudden, at the same time and seemingly out of nowhere appear > evolved organisms: plants and animals.First simple ones (fish and > grass), then Jurassic 300-400 million years ago then evolution takes > us to the most evolved forms, humans and orchids respectively!You > already know my conclusions. Sound to me like the earth was fertile soil, and was planted. By aliens! Makes sense to me. I have also heard that there have been no new domestic animals for 10,000 years-again hard to explain. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:38:32 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: thought for the day, njc > THOUGHT FOR THE DAY > > There's a picture of Snoopy saying: > > Never hold your farts in. > They travel up your spine, into your brain, and that > is where shitty ideas come from!!!! LOL. Laurent. Food for thought, indeed. LOL Kakki - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:16:22 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc Randy wrote: > Sound to me like the earth was fertile soil, and was planted. By aliens! > > Makes sense to me. I have also heard that there have been no new > domestic animals for 10,000 years-again hard to explain. I have read some theories that the earth was "planted" to some degree from visitors/colonizers from other planets/galaxies. Some theorize that the four races came from four different extraterrestial locations. Sounds plausible to me. Look at the many ancient spacecraft-like depictions and mythologies found around the world. To, me science and religion are not incompatible, nor are the various theories on the origins of creation incompatible with belief in a Creator. Kakki - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:14:18 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Science vs Religion, njc > > Sound to me like the earth was fertile soil, and was planted. By aliens! > > > > I have read some theories that the earth was "planted" to some degree from > visitors/colonizers from other planets/galaxies. Some theorize that the > four races came from four different extraterrestial locations. Sounds > plausible to me. Look at the many ancient spacecraft-like depictions and > mythologies found around the world. To, me science and religion are not > incompatible, nor are the various theories on the origins of creation > incompatible with belief in a Creator. > > > Hi Kakki, Yeah alien planting would be cool to believe. Actually I started astronomy this summer, secretly hoping to catch a spacecraft that the governments would have been hiding from us. Unfortunately, after learning that the nearest galaxies (where one might find planets with all the right conditions) are tens or hundreds or thousands of million light years away, I doubt very much that such a voyage could be undertaken. I mean who would go on a trip of minimum 10 million years, assuming they could travel at the speed of light? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:40:54 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc Hi Laurent, > I mean who would go on a trip of minimum 10 million years, assuming they > could travel at the speed of light? With God all is possible? ;-) Nuclear hardened (so to speak) capsules containing something like Petri dishes of embryonic human and other species sent in on an asteroid? Mars was becoming uninhabitable so it was time to split? The theoretical possibilities are endless. Several years ago I visited the Japanese cultural museum here in L.A. to see an exhibit of various archaelogical artifacts found in Japan. The usual chards of pottery, petroglyphs on stone tablets, etc. Many depicted spacecraft and spacemen and there was literature that the ancient Japanese believed they did come here from another place around 30,000 years ago. I'm not doing credit to the story because my memory has faded on the details after 25 years but it was extremely interesting. Kakki - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:07:46 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni mention -- now with 12 kinds of NJC, pluc Carly and James Colin writes: << seems like Joni should be thankful she escaped this reltionship.... >> I thought that interview was very well done, Colin. I have bookmarked the site to go back when I have time to see if some of their other articles are as well done. As someone who has spent many vacation days of yore on Martha's Vineyard, and even lived there for a year, I have to say that I think the writer misses a very important about the initial attraction between Carly and James. Unless I am wrong, which has happened a couple of million times before, the Taylor family and the Simons were the children of wealthy Vineyard summer people before they met. And since they met at a time when the Vineyard still had four-digit phone numbers -- it used to be a lot "smaller" -- they probably had lots in common. So when Joni came backstage at the Troubadour to collect James from Carly's dressing room, James and Carly were probably having a great old yuck or two about the Vineyard and island characters they knew (who have mostly been replaced by blond guys named Todd and women who don't eat). (On a side note, I have mentioned here before that I once saw James and Carly coming out of an up island store called Alley's -- still there, been there forever -- in the mid-70s. I'll never forget because as they walked by I heard Carly exclaim to James, "That's Smurf!") - --Smurf "I am a good witch and a bad witch." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:20:57 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc Kakki writes: << I'm not doing credit to the story because my memory has faded on the details after 25 years but it was extremely interesting. >> And 25 years ago was around the time of the "Charriots of the Gods" book and TV special by what-his-name the writer (van or von whatever) whose theory was that the earth had been visited by ETs. I remember that his examples of ancient illustrations, petroglyphs, etc. were pretty compelling. I think one image was of an astronaut-looking character at the controls of a spaceship-like vehicle. - --Smurf, who likes astronauts "Heaven for me would be an "Oklahoma" revival ... on Broadway!" - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 22:33:27 -0400 From: "janine sherman" Subject: Dreamland in London Hello Mates! My daughter is just beginning a semester abroad in London. She is trying to limit her overseas calls home,so this call not only surprised me but totally cracked me up. "MOMMMMM, we were watching the TV over here in our flat adn guess waht caem on????????? some ad for Joni Mitchell- they were playing her songs adn showing her playing adn singing , etc.etc. She is following me- even over here!" I told her there was a message in there soemwehre. So cute. Funny thing is, I have yet to see the Dreamland ad here in teh US. On anotehr note, a week or so ago we caught teh current Heart tour adn I swear those women are ageless and Rockin' more than ever. After hearing them live, now while playing Jupiter's Darling (new CD) I realize taht Ann Wilson's voice is unrecordable. A recording just can not portray the unbeleivable depth of her voice. It almsot makes you weep wehn she lets loose, in fact she ahs to stand back from teh mic. SHe takes my breath away. It is so absolutely cool to see them live adn performing new material, as well as the old faves. Nancy was wearing a black T-shirt with rhinestones spelling out GET YOUR KID OFF PROSAC. The place was packed and rockin' and Dan almost caught one of Nancy's picks, Next time. YOU GO GIRLS! Best, Janine NP: Annie McCue: Nobody's Sleeping (she opened for Heart) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:22:38 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc The Smurf writes: > And 25 years ago was around the time of the "Charriots of the Gods" book and > TV special by what-his-name the writer (van or von whatever) whose theory was > that the earth had been visited by ETs. I remember that his examples of > ancient illustrations, petroglyphs, etc. were pretty compelling. I think one image > was of an astronaut-looking character at the controls of a spaceship-like > vehicle. Some friends visting Peru emailed me a few days ago and described flying over the Nazca lines (I'm so jealous!). I am trying to find more information about the Japanese genesis tale but in the meantime found this bit about the origins of the modern recording industry (and Tibetian ancient astronauts) here ;-) http://www.geocities.com/jilaens/dzopa.html Excerpt: In the borderland between Tibet and China there is the cave region of the Baian-Kara-Ula mountains. 25 years ago, remarkable finds of tablets with writing and hieroglyphics were made there. Several thousand years ago a people whose looks chinese archeologists are only vaguely familiar with, had been cutting phonograph record like stonedisks out of the hardest granite with a set of completely unkown tools. The 716 stonedisks found so far also have a hole in their center just as phonograph records do. From there, spiralling out towards the rim, are double-grooves. These grooves of course are not like sound-tracks but rather the most peculiar writing-system which has ever been found in China and possibly even the world. It took archeologists and scientists over two decades to decipher it. The contents are so fantastic that the academy of pre-history in Beijing didn't want to publish the report of the scientist Prof. Tsum Um Nui at first. Backed by four colleagues, archeologist Tsum Um Nui stated: "the groove-writing tells of aerial vehicles which, according to the stonedisks, existed 12.000 years ago". In one place it says literally: "The Dropa came down from the clouds with their airgliders. Ten times the men, women and children of the Kham hid in the caves until sunrise. Then they understood the signs and saw that the Dropa came in peace this time." Kakki "Would you like to ride in my beautiful balloon?" -- Gov. Jim McGreevey - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:42:14 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Aliens, njc > > I mean who would go on a trip of minimum 10 million years, assuming they > > could travel at the speed of light? > > With God all is possible? Sorry but it doesn't make any sense: G_d doesn't need to fertilize Earth from another planet, He can make from scratch. Hey I've grown up on sci-fi movies and the Silver Surfer so I'd love to believe that aliens do exist, but so far the only evidence I've got is Jimi Hendrix. Close enough. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 23:43:55 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc Laurent Olszer wrote: >I mean who would go on a trip of minimum 10 million years, assuming they >could travel at the speed of light? > > > no one. The question assumes we know all the possibilites. Perhaps the rules governing 'them' are different. Perhaps they know stuff we don't. Maybe they can 'beam me up scotty'. who knows? we don't. It seems unlikely, now that we know of the immensity of the universe, that this tiny planet is the only one with intelligent(sic) life. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:51:12 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Aliens, njc In one place it says literally: "The Dropa came down from the clouds with their airgliders. Ten times the men, women and children of the Kham hid in the caves until sunrise. Then they understood the signs and saw that the Dropa came in peace this time." Kakki It seems unlikely, now that we know of the immensity of the universe, that this tiny planet is the only one with intelligent(sic) life. Colin Where's the evidence? This is an interesting turn of events: I tried convicing you that G_d exists and you saw no irrefutable evidence. Now you believe in aliens and I'm the one asking for proof! Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 23:48:42 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: joni mention -- now with 12 kinds of NJC, pluc Carly and James Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: >Colin writes: > ><< seems like Joni should be thankful she escaped this reltionship.... >> > > > > >(On a side note, I have mentioned here before that I once saw James and Carly >coming out of an up island store called Alley's -- still there, been there >forever -- in the mid-70s. I'll never forget because as they walked by I heard >Carly exclaim to James, "That's Smurf!") > > > now i don't know if this is you being cute or if that is really true... Not to judge James, addiction is a terrible thing, but for Carly to learn on the day she discovered she was preggers with Ben, that James had the clap was pretty awful.... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 23:56:06 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Aliens, njc Laurent Olszer wrote: > > > In one place it says literally: "The Dropa came down from the > clouds with their airgliders. Ten times the men, women and > children of the Kham hid in the caves until sunrise. Then they > understood the signs and saw that the Dropa came in peace this > time." > > Kakki > > It seems unlikely, now that we know of the immensity of the > universe, that this tiny planet is the only one with > intelligent(sic) life. > > Colin > > Where's the evidence? > This is an interesting turn of events: I tried convicing you > that G_d exists and you saw no irrefutable evidence. > Now you believe in aliens and I'm the one asking for proof! > > Laurent > > As yet there is none. You would do better to use your energy on your individual search for meaning that to try and convince us that your idea is Truth. There lies root of all evil-look at the conflicts in this world-one side trying to 'convince' the other that their idea is Truth. It takes a man( and a woman) to accept that their ideas are just that-ideas. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 23:53:11 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Aliens, njc Laurent Olszer wrote: >> > I mean who would go on a trip of minimum 10 million years, assuming >> >> >they > > >> > could travel at the speed of light? >> >> With God all is possible? >> >> > >Sorry but it doesn't make any sense: G_d doesn't need to fertilize Earth >from another planet, He can make from scratch. > > I can see you rolling you eyes and thinking 'that english prick'(or whatever the French equivalent is) but never mind, just how do you know what God can do or would do? It's all very well to have ideas-we all do- but it also well to realise that is all they are and to not present them as Truth. No one knows if God made this earth or if She made some other world and that world 'fertilized' this one. I shall be very pissed off , when in the next realm, if I do not get to find the answers to these things pronto! - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 01:06:39 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Aliens, njc I can see you rolling you eyes and thinking 'that english prick'(or whatever the French equivalent is) but never mind, just how do you know what God can do or would do? It's all very well to have ideas-we all do- but it also well to realise that is all they are and to not present them as Truth. No one knows if God made this earth or if She made some other world and that world 'fertilized' this one. I shall be very pissed off , when in the next realm, if I do not get to find the answers to these things pronto! Nope, I don't insult you even in my thoughts. I'm just being logical with myself: if G_d exists (as Kakki's premise states) then I believe the Torah is His word. It follows that I know what He can do. I know you believe it's a man-made book/religion, etc so we'll never agree on this one. Also there's a huge difference: I can't show you G_d, only His creation. But since the Earth has been "visited" for a long time, you could show me some alien proof and I'll believe. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 01:29:37 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Aliens, njc There lies root of all evil-look at the conflicts in this world-one side trying to 'convince' the other that their idea is Truth. It takes a man( and a woman) to accept that their ideas are just that-ideas. Colin, I believe this is the same conclusion you always reach whenever we're having an exchange of opinions. I mean what I say so I back up my arguments. You should know after 3 years on this list that I respect other people's opinions. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:41:20 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: What a show!!! NJC Wow - just got back from my roadtrip, the Mrs. & I went to Cleveland OH to see the "Vote For Change" show with Springsteen, John Fogerty, REM, & Brighteyes (who was way out of his league here but no matter). Where to begin with the highlights?? I hadn't seen REM since 1980 or so when they had just started out and were playing a little bitty club in Raleigh, so it was great to see them again all these umpteen records later. Stipe loves a cause so he was very jacked, and when Bruce came out to do the vocals on "Man On The Moon" & "Bad Day" it was way cool. Valerie & I had been brainstorming about his setlist, based on the nature of the event, and we were pretty much on the mark, with a couple of misses - I said he'd play "Born In The USA" and it was their opener. I said he'd jam with Fogerty on "Fortunate Son" and that was awesome, and so appropriate. I wished for but didn't really expect "Bad Moon Rising" with John, Bruce, and The E-Streeters, and got it! Wasn't expecting Stipe to come out and sing Bruce's "Because The Night" (a hit for his pal Patti Smith) and that was great. I figured that he'd resurrect "War" but that didn't happen. They did play Edwin Starr's original version over the loudspeakers while they were setting him up though. Probably the most moving number was Bruce's "The River", which was very emotionally performed. "The Promised Land" was also very moving...you have to realize, for those of you who have never been to a Springsteen show, that EVERYONE in the venue (we're talking 20,000 or so people here) is standing for most if not all of his set, and singing along with him, and when, in the context of the night (Vote For Change), your voice mingles with 20,000 others and you're singing: "Mister I ain't a boy, no I'm a man, And I believe in the promised land" It's a pretty darn powerful moment. He did several songs from "The Rising" which also became framed in a different context; originally they felt like healing songs for a post 9-11 world, last night they felt like songs of hope for healing for a world badly abused by the policies and actions of Bush and co. There was also some humorous stuff, such as Bruce calling for people wearing bowties to come up on the stage and be converted...but many many times the message from all of the artists was for registration (they had folks there to register Ohio folk), for involvement, for voting for change. The finale brought everyone back on stage for the aforementioned "Bad Moon Rising", "What's So Funny 'Bout Peace Love & Understanding", and Patti Smith's "People Have The Power". Believe me, I'm leaving out lots of great moments, but as good as the music was, it felt wonderful to be surrounded by folks of like mind who want a regime change in November. They cranked up at 7:30 and wrapped up a little after 12. I've got a sore throat from whooping and whoo-hooing. Great to be home though...1300 miles is a lot for a weekend!! If my post is a bit disconnected it's due to road lag - I feel like I'm still moving. Next up - Pearl Jam & Death Cab For Cutie on Weds. night... Bob NP: Joni, "Blue" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:54:26 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni mention -- now with 12 kinds of NJC, pluc Carly and James I said: << >(On a side note, I have mentioned here before that I once saw James and Carly >coming out of an up island store called Alley's -- still there, been there >forever -- in the mid-70s. I'll never forget because as they walked by I heard >Carly exclaim to James, "That's Smurf!") > > And Colin wondered: > > now i don't know if this is you being cute or if that is really true... >> It's too late for me to be cute, but I was only kidding about the "That's Smurf" part. One of Ashara's sons said that. And also, Ashara didn't give me that name until this millennium. - --Smurf "Yes, I am a part of the big rainbow flag of my people. I am the in the gay American corrupt politician part." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:50:19 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #280 Thankfully, not everyone is so shy around Van the man. I fondly recall the night in the Bel Air hotel lounge where joni listers went for drinks after the Los Angeles show. Van entered with his entourage, quite intimidating to some of us. What a thrill it was when Kakki approached Van and offered him a fine cigar... (I forget the brand, maybe Kakki could remember). That was an incredible weekend, and Kakki played the gracious hostess to a number of jmdlers... Bill NP Liz Phair "Help Me Mary" On Oct 2, 2004, at 2:37 AM, Kakki wrote: > Steve asked: > >> Van doesn't say much ... but does anyone know of any Morrison remarks > about >> Joni? > > They may be out there but I haven't seen them in print. I have > always > been interested in what Van may think of Joni because he was my #1 poet > laureate until Joni came along. (sure Dylan is one of the greatest > poets, > too, but read through all Van's lyrics and whoa whoa). > > I did hear some gossip around the time that Joni was touring with > Dylan > and Van on the west coast in '98 (and I think you were there at the > L.A. > concerts, right?) that Van was very enamored of Joni but Joni was a > little > shy (skeered) of him. Heehee. It all fits when you think of it ;-) > > Kakki > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > ---- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 20:15:21 -0400 From: Subject: Cowboy Junkies in the UK NJC My favorite band from Toronto, Ontario is appearing in the UK this week: 5 October, Alban Arena in (St Albans) 6 October Irish Centre (Leeds) 7 October Philharmonic Hall (Liverpool) 9 October 9 Usher Hall (Edinburgh) 10 October 10 Academy (Manchester) 11 October Wulfren Hall (Wolverhampton) 12 October Royal Festival Hall (London) Apologies to those who haven't caught the fever. Take along your autograph book 'cause Margo always obliges. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:16:23 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Science vs Religion, njc This is cool-though they may have just been trying to preserve their Joni collections on the state-of-the-art equipment of the time. Hella interesting anyway, thanks for posting this. Kakki wrote: > n the borderland between Tibet and China there is the cave > region of the Baian-Kara-Ula mountains. 25 years ago, > remarkable finds of tablets with writing and hieroglyphics > were made there. Several thousand years ago a people whose > looks chinese archeologists are only vaguely familiar with, > had been cutting phonograph record like stonedisks out of ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:27:40 -0400 From: Subject: Lyrics I "Got" 30 Years Later, Recurring thread #417, njc The first time I heard "The Beatles" (the white album), I was in high school. I was taking Chemistry, Algebra II, Social Studies, gym, and Russian. I figured out that "Back in the USSR" was a send up of the Beach Boys' song "California Girls". I understood that in "Keep your comrade warm" was Paul McCartney having a go at a fun song but I hadn't yet learned that a balalaika is a "3-stringed instrument of Russian origin". From Russian class, I knew that part of the USSR was called "Georgia". I recognized that the following lines were a song-writing exercise, using geographical references to flesh out a verse: "The Ukraine girls really knock me out They leave the West behind. And Moscow girls make me sing and shout. That Georgia's always on my m-m-m-m-m-mind!" But since Ray Charles passed on, his version of "Georgia On My Mind" been firing off in my grey matter more often. I've discovered it was written by Hoagy Carmichael & Stuart Gorrell. I think I remember Sir Paul saying (in the Anthology video series) that he liked Hoagy Carmichael's writing. I'm sure I'm the last Beatle fan to realize this but I think Paul was quoting Hoagy (in addition to the geographical reference). Verse 3: Some sweet day when blossoms fall And all the worrld's a song, I'll go back to Georgia, 'Cause that's where I belong. Refrain: Georgia, Georgia, the whole day through; just an old sweet song keeps Georgia on my mind. (Georgia on my mind.) "Mr. Charles, thanks for giving me a deeper appreciation of both Hoagy Carmichael AND Paul McCartney this weekend and reminding me that it's all connected. Amen." Lama PS, As Mike Timmins said in song, only this year, "one soul now" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:29:23 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: What a show!!! NJC I'm going this Friday to the Bonnie Raitt, Keb' Mo, Sheryl Crow show in Jacksonville. I'm a huge Bonnie fan since I first bought her first album in 1972. Saw her with Little Feat and Butterfield Better Days Band in--I think--1973 or 4, and many times thereafter. I like Keb' sometimes a little slick but he's good saw him once live. Sheryl Crow leaves me cold, but hey It's VOTE FOR CHANGE and Move On didn't put me in the lottery for the Boss in Orlando. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of SCJoniGuy@aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 7:41 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: What a show!!! NJC Wow - just got back from my roadtrip, the Mrs. & I went to Cleveland OH to see the "Vote For Change" show with Springsteen, John Fogerty, REM, & Brighteyes (who was way out of his league here but no matter). Where to begin with the highlights?? I hadn't seen REM since 1980 or so when they had just started out and were playing a little bitty club in Raleigh, so it was great to see them again all these umpteen records later. Stipe loves a cause so he was very jacked, and when Bruce came out to do the vocals on "Man On The Moon" & "Bad Day" it was way cool. Valerie & I had been brainstorming about his setlist, based on the nature of the event, and we were pretty much on the mark, with a couple of misses - I said he'd play "Born In The USA" and it was their opener. I said he'd jam with Fogerty on "Fortunate Son" and that was awesome, and so appropriate. I wished for but didn't really expect "Bad Moon Rising" with John, Bruce, and The E-Streeters, and got it! Wasn't expecting Stipe to come out and sing Bruce's "Because The Night" (a hit for his pal Patti Smith) and that was great. I figured that he'd resurrect "War" but that didn't happen. They did play Edwin Starr's original version over the loudspeakers while they were setting him up though. Probably the most moving number was Bruce's "The River", which was very emotionally performed. "The Promised Land" was also very moving...you have to realize, for those of you who have never been to a Springsteen show, that EVERYONE in the venue (we're talking 20,000 or so people here) is standing for most if not all of his set, and singing along with him, and when, in the context of the night (Vote For Change), your voice mingles with 20,000 others and you're singing: "Mister I ain't a boy, no I'm a man, And I believe in the promised land" It's a pretty darn powerful moment. He did several songs from "The Rising" which also became framed in a different context; originally they felt like healing songs for a post 9-11 world, last night they felt like songs of hope for healing for a world badly abused by the policies and actions of Bush and co. There was also some humorous stuff, such as Bruce calling for people wearing bowties to come up on the stage and be converted...but many many times the message from all of the artists was for registration (they had folks there to register Ohio folk), for involvement, for voting for change. The finale brought everyone back on stage for the aforementioned "Bad Moon Rising", "What's So Funny 'Bout Peace Love & Understanding", and Patti Smith's "People Have The Power". Believe me, I'm leaving out lots of great moments, but as good as the music was, it felt wonderful to be surrounded by folks of like mind who want a regime change in November. They cranked up at 7:30 and wrapped up a little after 12. I've got a sore throat from whooping and whoo-hooing. Great to be home though...1300 miles is a lot for a weekend!! If my post is a bit disconnected it's due to road lag - I feel like I'm still moving. Next up - Pearl Jam & Death Cab For Cutie on Weds. night... Bob NP: Joni, "Blue" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 09:30:54 +1000 From: michael.cathyb@optusnet.com.au Subject: DJRD [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] Hi everyone, I haven't posted for a few years so I thought I would poke my head in. I was listening to DJRD yesterday in the quite night and I noticed for the first time what Jaco is doing with his bass. Before he plays a note and slides down the neck he is either tapping his string or the pick up, playing what sort of sounds like some kind of percussion. Gee he's a fantastic player, not just because of what I just mentioned, but well you know what I mean. On a similar note I was learning the bass for Heijra and the bugger has done over dubs. Sounds great but impossible to play. Cheers Brownie ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #400 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)