From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #386 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 22 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 386 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Parigi Caro- Krall et al (sjc) [Gordon Mackie ] Re: my musian friend, Raya O Coal - NJC ["Marian Russell" ] Re: Overwrought Amelia?/ Now ML [Em ] Lulu & John Guerin ["willytheshake100" ] njc,the last name "allison ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: njc,the last name "allison" [Lori Fye ] Re: Overwrought Amelia?/ Now ML - njc [Lori Fye ] Re: Stereophile Magazine [Em ] Re: Ani Joni article and other musings, drivel, etc [Catherine McKay ] RE: Anyone Dreaming? [] Ann~Marie MacDonald SJC [mags h ] Re: who will buy? njc [Catherine McKay ] Beatles Tribute NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Jaco Pastorious (tangential Joni content) ["Kate Bennett" ] Today's Library Links: September 22 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] RE: Anyone Dreaming? [mags h ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:17:04 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Parigi Caro- Krall et al (sjc) Listers Saw Diana Krall on Saturday in Paris. I knew things were going well when they were playing Joni on the PA. Diana herself payed tribute to JM before singing her version of Black Crow. Fab. Then at the end they played Joni again on the PA (Free Man in Paris...how apt!) Great concert. Thanks to all the listers who forwarded Laurent's email address. Thanks to Laurent and his wonderful family for looking after four tired people, feeding us, making us drink champagne, showing us his guitar collection (I dont think I have ever seen 100 guitars in the one place, even in a music store) and then acting as tour guide. Oh, and the Joni outfit which Laurent bought in LA. I really dont think it suited you Laurent...lol. What wonderful people inhabit this cyber -space. Will try not to lurk too much Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:44:17 -0400 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: my musian friend, Raya O Coal - NJC My dear Austrian musican friend, Raya O Coal, has totally revamped her website. You can hear samples of her beautiful music there (listen to all of them, but especially Passion!), and order her CDs. You can also find there a few paragraphs (under the menu items music, and voices) that I wrote in English about my impressions of her music (I really love her music!!!). There is also an ORF (the Austrian television station) video of a one of her performances , and another video of a practice session with her band. If you're looking for a new musical experience, check her out!!! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:46:19 -0400 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: my musian friend, Raya O Coal - NJC The link to Raya's website is: www.rayaocoal.com - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Marian Russell" Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:44:17 -0400 <> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:27:48 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: Overwrought Amelia? My favorite version/ recording of Amelia is from her Shadows and Light tour recording. T'log's is also a touching, bittersweet rendition. I second that emotion of her voice sounding good on that cut. After giving T'log a listen for the first time in almost 2 years, I still found only that only half the songs moved me. Now I could go on about other songs. I hated Magdelene Launderies when I first heard it, UNTIL,I got the bootleg CD of Much Music Live & Interactive (aka Just Ice). I cried outloud. The same with Facelift from the same show. I can't stand the album version. Man from Mars- GOMH version rocks. Not so with TTT's version -over produced. Sometimes you need to leave some paint in the can, Joan! (grin) Steve >>> Mike Friedman 09/20/04 10:40PM >>> I'm with the lovers of the original....it's one of my favorite (if not my favorite) Mitchell song, and the simplicity and more melodic singing in the original move me more than this version, although it is one of the best tracks on Travelogue. I'm quite amused, as an aside, that iTunes (and therefore the CDDB database) calls the original Amelia on Hejira "Rock," the Shadows and Light version is "Folk" and the TL version is "Easy Listening." Mitchell? Easy Listening!???? BAH! Mike On Sep 20, 2004, at 6:35 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > Bryan wrote: > >> Hmmmm...I'm no big fan of T'log but its version of Amelia is gorgeous >> and >> gut-wrenching. Moves me to tears. And unlike much of the album, the >> voice is >> in pretty good condition there. > > Bryan, I have to agree with your assessment of this version of Amelia. > While I > prefer the original, the T'Log version is gorgeous. In fact, it's > that song in > particular that my partner Mary likes most -- and she is not a fan of > Hejira > (the album) at all and so does not *know* the original Amelia like I > do. In > telling me how much she likes the song, Mary referred to the T'Log > version as > "Travelogue." When I told her that the name of the song is actually > Amelia, > she said, "Well, it may be, but it's obviously what Joni considered to > be the > 'title track' for this album." > > All that aside, I do love the T'Log version of Amelia. > > Lori > > ======================================== "I was not always a bag lady, you know. I used to be a creative consultant. For big companies! Who do you think thought up the color scheme for Howard Johnson's? At the time, no one was using orange and aqua in the same room together. With fried clams." - --Trudy (Lily Tomlin) from "The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe" Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:48:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Overwrought Amelia?/ Now ML - --- Steven Polifka wrote: > Now I could go on about other songs. I hated Magdelene Launderies > when I first heard it, UNTIL,I got the bootleg CD of Much Music Live > & > Interactive (aka Just Ice). I cried outloud. Funny you mention crying outloud with regard to Magdalene Laundries. I actually READ the words before I heard the song (on TI, only version I've heard). And in the reading, it also teared me up. Quite unprecedented. Then I heard the cut and I had gotten over the tears..but for some reason, just reading the lyrics...booom. Water. Weird huh? Em ps and it was a strange place to "cry" cuz I was out on my driveway shoveling 6 yards of dirt I'd had brought in. Had the CD player out there w/me. Read those lyrics prior to sticking the CD in. If anyone saw me they'd probably think I was weeping over having to shovel so much dirt. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:29:20 +0100 From: "willytheshake100" Subject: Lulu & John Guerin Listen to Lulu enthusing about Joni and the John Guerin anecdote. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/lulu/playlist.shtml WtS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:47:00 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc,the last name "allison Hello Lori, and all other kindred Joni spirits: You wrote: "Just so there's no confusion, Bob is referring to our friend "Alison E. in SLC" and not to my partner, who I've referred to as Mary on this list but who is known as Allison (because that's her last name) on another list to which Em and I belong" This is a lonnnnnnnnnnnnng shot, but: is Mary related to the wonderful David Allison, a beautiful, joyful, free spirit hippie guy who "dated" one of my roommates and loved "Goat's Head Soup" and went to UConn in the mid-70's (and tragically died in the late 70's)? I just HAVE to ask -- ya never know! And if he is not your Mary's brother or cousin, maybe someone else knew him? If you met him once, you'd never forget him. Love and peace, Patti _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:47:05 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: njc,the last name "allison" > This is a lonnnnnnnnnnnnng shot, but: is Mary related to the wonderful > David Allison, a beautiful, joyful, free spirit hippie guy who "dated" one > of my roommates and loved "Goat's Head Soup" and went to UConn in the > mid-70's (and tragically died in the late 70's)? I just HAVE to ask -- ya > never know! Probably not, but I'll mention it to her! *My* Mary Allison was born in Hawaii to a mother from Tokyo and a father from Georgia (the U.S. state, not the Russian one), and they moved to Sacramento when Mary was 3. She has no brothers, only one full sister and several half-sisters. Probably not related to anyone in Connecticut, but anything is possible. > And if he is not your Mary's brother or cousin, maybe someone else knew him? > If you met him once, you'd never forget him. Well, *I* would like to meet him! I love to meet unforgettable people. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:48:17 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Overwrought Amelia?/ Now ML - njc > ps and it was a strange place to "cry" cuz I was out on my driveway > shoveling 6 yards of dirt I'd had brought in. Had the CD player out > there w/me. Read those lyrics prior to sticking the CD in. If anyone > saw me they'd probably think I was weeping over having to shovel so > much dirt. Aw, Em! Did you have muddy little tear tracks on your face? : ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:56:12 -0400 From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #270 I just started Karen O'Brien's biography of Joni. What's been the buzz amongst JMDLers about the book? Does anyone know what Joni thought of it? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:02:10 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: Ani Joni article and other musings, drivel, etc hi >>>em wrote >>>> Was also thinking about mainstream pop - that maybe the industry tries to train the listening public, to like sort of 2nd rate stuff. Because its easier to find and perhaps maintain a steady stream of the 2nd rate. The sort of stuff generated by American Idol. As opposed to truly great stuff like Laura Love and I think, Ani, and others. i was also thinking about this recently. quite often i get people, (esp at the office when im working late,) coming to me & asking what music im playing. people whove been really taken by patty larkin, tony rice, ani, pentangle, russ barenburg & others. i really have to wonder & suspect that these artists would be way more popular, if only they were exposed more to the public. perhaps the music biz is actually killing itself by underestimating the taste of the public, & there may just be an opportunity out there for a cutting edge type radio station & an alternate music biz??? ron np - annie herring - stairway to heaven (no - not *that* one!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:34:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Stereophile Magazine An article in the new Stereophile has an article on the List of Lists. The ten pop songs most likely to be heard during a person's first day in Hell. The ten most critically over-rated pop albums of all time. The ten greatest obscure pop albums of all time. And number 5 on the Twelve huge pop albums that everybody - critics, record buyers, radio programmers - got right: Joni Mitchell: Ladies of the Canyon Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:47:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Stereophile Magazine wow Jerry that sounds like a fun article! Unless of course you disagree with everything they say! lol, and even then. Bless their hearts for mentioning LOC - I always loved that one pretty much best. Prior to hearing Blue and Hejira tho. Now its a toss up. Em :) - --- "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > An article in the new Stereophile has an article on the List of > Lists. > > The ten pop songs most likely to be heard during a person's first day > in > Hell. > > The ten most critically over-rated pop albums of all time. > > The ten greatest obscure pop albums of all time. > > And number 5 on the Twelve huge pop albums that everybody - critics, > record buyers, radio programmers - got right: > Joni Mitchell: Ladies of the Canyon > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:38:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ani Joni article and other musings, drivel, etc --- Ron wrote: > perhaps the music biz > is actually killing itself by underestimating the > taste of the public, & > there may just be an opportunity out there for a > cutting edge type radio > station & an alternate music biz??? > This is my fondest hope. Do you think the music biz in the late 50s/early-mid 60s was similar to today's, in that it was all formulaic, "safe" stuff about moons and Junes, no colour, no contrast? That's what I think, but I don't know for sure - I do remember radio sounding pretty bland and elevatorish when I was a kid. And then there was a revolution of sorts, with the emergence of protest singers and singer/ songwriters and FM radio in the 60s and 70s, and the businessmen got into it and made stars of these people, making lots of money at it, taming and upper-middle-classifying the artists, and the music became watered down and formulized again, the difference being that back in the 50s, it was all about "romance" and now it's all about sex (same thing, innit?) It's all about making bucks, keeping the lower and middle classes in their place and dumbing things down. I think the internet is today's FM radio and the indy artists is where you will find any signs of intelligent life in this place. Let's be grateful for the righteous babes of the world. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:16:07 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: who will buy? njc >From: LCStanley7@aol.com >Subject: Re: Anyone Dreaming?, njc >Bob wrote: >So most likely there's nothing new for you; if you don't have any of the >above Joni discs mentioned - well, what are you waiting for you silly girl? >Hi Bob! >I don't have the following: Dancin' Clown (from the depths of Hell...oops >I mean from CMIARS) and For The Roses (orchestral version from T'log). The >others I do have. A dancing clown from hell? Chucky perhaps? For some >reason it is hard to find Joni CD's here in central Arkansas outside of >Court and Spark, Blue, and her latest albums. But, really I have no >excuses because I could buy online. >Maybe what this needs is our own lovely Marianne wandering the streets >singing "Who Will Buy"... > If Bree can get her out of the cornfields... >Love, >Laura Hey, Are Y'all talking about me!!!? With school starting this month and computer problems at home I just NOW read these posts. . . Bree is probably in Armarillo Texas as I write . . . She is on her way to Vegas. . . On business (really), if you can believe it. . . . She will return home in October. . . I 've been through the birth of kittens, a visit from a jmdl'er (Laura), major digging up in the yard for a gravity drain and such, making paper, planting hydrangias, grass and pine trees, starting a new school year, missing my girlfriend, putting roof tar on the roof to hopefully stop the leak. . . (until I can get a new roof) stuff like that. . . all the things before winter. . . Happy Autumn equinox. . does it start today on the 21st? or is it tomorrow? I thought it was today. I want to start new celebratory traditions. . like celebrating the solstices and equinoxes. . . earth traditions. . . LO VE Marianne I've got roof tar on my knees ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:10:49 -0500 From: Subject: RE: Anyone Dreaming? [NOTE: I tried to send this through yesterday morning, but apparently, it didn't want to budge! But then again, we were having server problems. Sorry if you all get two copies!] Scott wrote: "The saddest thing is that Joni is still "on hiatus from songwriting and recording." She is quoted in the liner notes as saying, "I started writing when I lost my daughter, and I stopped whne she came back." Let's hope that the muse comes back, and Joni begins writing and recording again." Scott, I've got to say: what Joni said works for me. And it makes perfect sense. Just "guesses at most," but I think that few of us can begin to understand just how traumatic the relinquishment of Kilauren was for Joni. It rocked her world, and not in a good sense; she wrote and sang, I'm convinced, in order to survive, deal with the pain, and interpret the world so that *something* made sense. Now, thank heavens, she no longer feels compelled to cope with her life in that way. She didn't stop recording before giving us one of the most memorable catalogues compiled by any popular musical artist in the the past 50 years, and I thank her for that. So, if you're "retired," Joni--enjoy the ride. And paint up a storm!! From a grateful fan, Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:04:25 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Ann~Marie MacDonald SJC Some of you may recall that Ann~Marie MacDonald was a part of the Hommage honouring Joni Mitchell in the fall of 2001 in Toronto, Ontario. Ms MacDonald is a well known actor, as well as a part of the CBC landscape here in Canada. Again, if Ms MacDonald's name is ringing a familiar bell, you may recall that she was the host of the LIfe and Times of Joni Mitchell, the Canadian version. I attended a reading by Ann~Marie this evening in Winnipeg, Manitoba, and it was every bit as mesmerizing as her performance in Toronto. She held us all captive as she read/acted/sang various parts of her most recent book, The Way the Crow Flies, now out in trade paper format. She 'spoke' for an hour, easily, and then offered a question and answer time; and graciously held court at an autographing session afterward. It was an honour to meet her and have my two books autographed. As I spoke with her briefly about her performance at the Hommage; it became evident rather quickly that Ann~Marie is also a huge fan of Joni. The Way the Crow Flies, will take you on journeys that will ring well and true, resonating tones of the familiar, especially if you are around 'our' age. ;-) Clearly, Ann~Marie MacDonald is very much a part of this our grand Canadian landscape. Mags npimh: Ann~Marie's spoken performance of Magdalene Laundries in Toronto. let us just be side by side, helping, respecting and understanding each other, in common effort to serve humankind. ~Dalai Lama~ New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:11:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: who will buy? njc --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > > I 've been through the birth of kittens, a visit > from a jmdl'er (Laura), > major digging up in the yard for a gravity drain and > such, making paper, > planting hydrangias, grass and pine trees, starting > a new school year, > missing my girlfriend, putting roof tar on the roof > to hopefully stop the > leak. . . (until I can get a new roof) stuff like > that. . . > > all the things before winter. . . > Somebody needs more work to do. Idle hands are the devil's playthings. > Happy Autumn equinox. . > > does it start today on the 21st? > or is it tomorrow? > > I thought it was today. I was told it starts tomorrow around noonish - 12:30 or thereabouts e.s.t. (maybe he meant 12:30 a.m. though - I have no idea how they figure this stuff out. September so far has been the summer we never had.) > I want to start new celebratory traditions. . > like celebrating the solstices and equinoxes. . . > > earth traditions. . . > > LO > VE > Marianne I want to do that too. I feel very pagan in my soul. It seems connected somehow, to the earth & all that. > I've got roof tar on my knees > or beach tar on your feet! More power to ya for going up on the roof. I can't climb up ladders - I get vertigo - the mere thought of it makes me dizzy. I like to hire hunky men to do that sort of thing. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:35:07 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Beatles Tribute NJC Another show I'm putting together & wanted to pass along to any socal jmdlers... Its going to be a monster music show... with many talented sb musicians including some you may have heard of- mr peev & mr loggins, here is the scoop: Sunday September 26th @ 7 pm SOhO Restaurant & Music Club Reservations call 805-962-7776 Call right away for dinner reservations as these shows sell out & seating is limited. A splendid time is guaranteed for all when Santa Barbara area musicians pay tribute to the Beatles! And some suprises guaranteed as well! Proceeds will benefit Keep the Beat to keep music in Santa Barbara's public elementary schools. Love, Love, Love... Love, Love, Love ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:55:45 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Jaco Pastorious (tangential Joni content) >In my opinion, the below article (which was published 17 years ago today) definitely deserves a read. It's a fascinating and heartbreaking look at the sad decline of Jaco Pastorious, one of the great musical geniuses of our time. "Dark Days For A Jazz Genius" by Tom Moon Miami Herald - September 20, 1987 http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=924 thanks les, jaco's story always affects me big time... I loved the part where he jammed on blackbird & beatles... he was an absolutely amazing artist... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 1:46:45 -0400 From: Subject: Ani DiFranco, njc now I have one album by Ani DiFranco and I heartily recommend it. Back in "the day" we would have said, "This album makes you think." Ha! as if that was a GOOD thing! (Hi, Kakki. I miss your posts.) The CD, "to the teeth", is available used on www.amazon.com for about $7.50 plus shipping. My interpretation is that the title is a lift from a a random thought, "The problem with the US is that so many people are armed to the teeth." There are funny / touching songs too. The first time I played the CD, I didn't know what to expect when track 6, a song called "Hello Birmingham", began. I thought it was a personal observation but then it seemed political. I won't reveal the content because after she's engaged you heart, then your head, she hits you in the solar plexus. All this with Just Words. On the strength of this one album, I went to see her here in town and wow, she's great. Not only does she have The Words but she has many, many moods, influences, and (especially) rhythms. (Duh, she wrote a song that goes, "I'm 32 flavors and then some.") She can do a political rant, back off with a love song, then rave it up with a raggae influence. She's a one woman rollercoaster. Heck, she wrote a great song about nothing- about the contagious joy when families and friends are reunited in the airport: "I'm convinced it's a sure cure for cancer, watching family dogs turn into dancers at the arrivals gate." She has a serious Talent With Words. I'll have to get some more from Ani DiFranco because she appears to have all of the markings of a Songwriting Giant. Sincerely, Jim L'Hommedieu speaking of eclectisism, np: Clifton Chenier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:06:05 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 22 On September 22 the following articles were published: 1987: "Jazz musician Jaco Pastorius dies" - United Press International (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1094 1990: "200,000 Rock in Berlin's 'death strip'" - Toronto Star (Review - Appearance) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1111 1994: "It's time to pay that debt to Joni Mitchell" - San Diego Union-Tribune (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=320 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:10:25 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: RE: Anyone Dreaming? Never would I assume to know exactly what it was like for Joni to give up her baby girl for adoption, believing that in 1965, she had no earthly choice other than to do so. She was, no doubt, convinced by the sisters that it was all she could do. Jezebel that she was. Ten years after, I think Ive got a clue, perhaps. Im glad that Joni is taking it easy now as far as the writing goes. I am happy for what she has given us, and if she needs to take this time to be, to be with her grand babies, and her newly discovered daughter, then more power to her. Time to accept that she may never give us anything "new" or original. And she's given us so much. She's written life lines. She's woven in and out of our common threads. And in the end, does it really matter if she's not offering nything new under the sun. Perhaps she has agreed to resubmit her already recorded works from days gone by, and perhaps "we" are not the intended recipients, as we are already deeply embedded in all things Joni. And isnt that enough?. Take a good look at the jewels that reside in the centre of your life, now. as always, Mags np: Beth Orton, Central Reservation mille gracias *there are none so blind as those who will not see* let us just be side by side, helping, respecting and understanding each other, in common effort to serve humankind. ~Dalai Lama~ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #386 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)