From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #380 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, September 16 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 380 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: They're trying to wash us away -- njc [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Will Young ["willytheshake100" ] Joni DVD offer ["Justin Russ" ] Re: NJC - Slouching - and us as uniters [Bobsart48@aol.com] Fwd: An awful, putrid, wretched thing [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] Re: Fwd: An awful, putrid, wretched thing - wow, don'tya love this subject line? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Fwd: An awful, putrid, wretched thing - now Muller [Smurfycopy@aol.co] Re: An awful, putrid, wretched thing - now Muller [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Karin Berquist's Quest is Over, njc [Randy Remote ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?bj=F6rk_and_todd_rundgren_-_njc?= ["patrick leader" ] Leslie speaker inventor dies at 93 (now NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: pleasure to meet listers ["Donna Binkley" ] Today's Library Links: September 16 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Ivan the Terrible - NJC ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 05:32:51 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: They're trying to wash us away -- njc Michael, I have been thinking of you all night, which isn't unusual, and hoping that you're safe from the storm. Bon courage for later on today as you and your family head for the hills. We'll all be concerned, so please check in when you can. And remember, if Ivan pins you in a corner, don't take 'no'. (Not that you ever did!) - --Bob "I wish I could blow like Ivan." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:37:40 +0100 From: "willytheshake100" Subject: Will Young The BBC Radio 2 website has a selection of artists a la Desert Island Discs called TRACKS OF MY YEARS. Anyway, I was fair chuffed to see WILL YOUNG's choice (Pop Idol of 2000 and something). Take a look at Will Young's pick of his favourite tracks. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/bruce/tracks/index.shtml?wyoung Hearts and Bones Paul Simon Strength, Courage & Wisdom India.Arie Fast Car Tracy Chapman Road To Hell (Part 2) Chris Rea Dog Eat Dog Joni Mitchell If You Go Before Me Terence Trent D'Arby Love Is Stronger Than Pride Sade I Forgot That Love Existed Van Morrison Easy Emiliana Torrini Golden Slumbers The Beatles WtS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:55:50 -0400 From: "Justin Russ" Subject: Joni DVD offer I received my DVD yesterday. Thanks so much for distributing it Ashara and to everyone who helped to put it together. I love it!!! It's great to be able to see these rare performances that I never would have had the chance to see otherwise! Thanks again, Justin >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 17:22:05 EDT >From: AsharaJM@aol.com >Subject: Joni DVD offer > >Just a quick note to say the first batch of DVD's went out last week, but >the second batch will not go our for at least another 2 weeks. I am leaving >to >go to New Mexico for a wedding, then to OR to set my son up in school. >Thanks >to everyone for being patient! I promise to get to all of you when I get >back. > >Hugs, >Ashara _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:06:17 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - Slouching - and us as uniters Bob Muller replied to my earlier post "I do indeed wonder if our country is even capable of being (or even appearing) united again, and what kind of miraculous leadership it would take to make that happen. I did feel like as a country we were united on 9/12/01. There didn't seem to be any delineations that day & time along political, religious, or even global borderlines. But it's been dramatically downhill (and sadly so) since then." This recalls to mind for me thoughts in recent years inspired by Joni's sensitive editing and revisiting of Yeats's (prescient ?) 'The Second Coming' ( Joni's 'Slouching Toward Bethlehem'). Joni took that on as a project a couple of years before the first WTC bombing, and 10 years or so before 9/11. I particularly admire these lines, edited (and improved, IMO) by Joni: "The best lack conviction given some time to think And the worst are full of passion without mercy." I suspect that most of the best among us understand that, regardless of which general "side" of the war issues we end up on, the other "side" may well be on the "right" side of what may well be a 'coin toss' selection between two flawed and unpalatable approaches (i.e., the lesser of two evils). Unfortunately, the odds are much more complex to calculate than they are at poker or bridge or backgammon. To extend another Joni line, talk TV and radio seem to serve us, only to deceive us (IMO) in the battle for each of us (individually) and all of us (collectively) to find and maintain our emotional, intellectual and moral "centers" on these crucial issues. In my heart, I feel it is down to each of us to stay open and respectful to the other points of view, and to encourage their presentation in a respectful, thoughtful way, so that collectively we may find our center and be more effective. Perhaps this type of leadership, one person at a time, is what we will need. It would help, I think, if it started at the top of the political chain. Bobsart PS - perhaps the best appear to lack conviction while they are busy thinking (which may take some time on complex problems), but when they emerge, they do so with more conviction than those who react prematurely (and whose conviction later may be supported primarily by their 'stake' in their premature judgments). Hmmmm. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:46:18 EDT From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Fwd: An awful, putrid, wretched thing Return-path: From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Full-name: Warrenkeith91354 Message-ID: <1cc.2b0c2f2a.2e78d6db@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:20:59 EDT Subject: Re: An awful, putrid, wretched thing To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Fine & dandy Warren...too bad that neither of those songs is on DED! They're both on CMIARS, which is nowhere near as strong as DED. Gotcha, Bob O.K., O.K., I stand gotten.(I can't believe I did that!) You are always on the ball Bob.( Apparrently I've fallen off!) And you are absolutely right, CMIARS is no where near as strong as DED. But I still love those two songs and I'll die defending them! DED too! Later... Jonily yours, Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:55:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fwd: An awful, putrid, wretched thing - wow, don'tya love this subject line? --- Warrenkeith91354@aol.com wrote: > O.K., O.K., I stand gotten.(I can't believe I did > that!) You are always on > the ball Bob.( Apparrently I've fallen off!) And you > are absolutely right, > CMIARS is no where near as strong as DED. But I > still love those two songs and > I'll die defending them! DED too! Later... > If it makes ya feel any better, WK, I often get those two mixed up and I have to check to see which song is on which. (That's probably what Bob did, heh-heh-heh.) I finally got the Geffen box set yesterday because the price had come down to a more-or-less reasonable level and realized I didn't have "WTRF" on CD (and thought I did) and either I didn't have "Chalk mark" either, or lost it - all I can find is the cassette version. So I guess I got a good deal and I do like DED as well. So there. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:59:45 -0400 From: Subject: Karin Berquist's Quest is Over, njc Followers of "Over The Rhine" will recall that all of their road equipment was stolen a few months back. The very next show was right here in Cincinnati, their home. The hometown crowd filled a shopping bag with money to help them over the hump and Karin cried on stage when she saw it. Here's an update. I have removed the brand names which she rejected so as not to start a flame war. This post signifies reason #507 why I love Karin Berquist. The list was compiled by her husband, the chief reason Karin can't marry me. :) BTW, they have 3 pianos at home: an upright, a spinet, and a grand. Ya gotta love a nutty couple like that. All the best, Lama np: "Heavy Weather" by Weather Report, with some guy named Pastorius on bass... Linford said, in part: >7. Karin played many guitars in search of a replacement for her Lowden. She played old s and s. She played a few s and looked troubled. She played a 30-year-old called "The Dove" that was a contender. Karin said the dove inlays reminded her that we needed to forgive the bastards that stole all our stuff. 8. Finally she located a tiny store in Coshocton, Ohio, the only store in Ohio that carries Lowdens, and we drove some back roads, a day out, the two of us drinking coffee and talking, looking at the sky. We found the store in an old house by a creek. Wildwood Music. Signed picture of Johnny Cash on the wall. Karin played many different Lowdens and then finally picked up a brand new guitar--the same model as the one that was stolen, the O25c. She gave it a strum. Cedar, East Indian Rosewood, Pearwood binding. Tears came to her eyes. 9. That was the one. 10. Felt like home. 11. In the meanwhile, I was eyeing this "pretty little girl of a guitar" myself, and Karin said I could take it home since I had a big birthday comin' up and since I had agreed to drive all that way. 12. We were both proud owners of new Lowdens. 13. New acoustic guitars sure smell good. 14. We may be the only working band in America whose fans bought the instruments being played on stage.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:08:47 -0400 From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fwd: An awful, putrid, wretched thing - now Muller Catherine writes: << I often get those two mixed up and I have to check to see which song is on which. (That's probably what Bob did, heh-heh-heh.) >> Wouldn't bet on that. Catherine. The man has made the collection and distribution of Joni covers his life's mission. At last count had ferreted out something like 15 million Joni covers. He knows exactly what Joni song's on what Joni album. The day he doesn't, we'll know he's "starting to go." XO, - --Smurf "I am red, white, blue and fabulous!" - --Gov. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:33:48 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: An awful, putrid, wretched thing - now Muller **At last count had ferreted out something like 15 million Joni covers. 14 million of which went to you, and still no thank-you note, ya bastid! Anyway, all I'm trying to do is inspire you to update your Joni in Fiction page. Upcoming milestones for the Joni Undercover project: 1600 total covers (I'm currently at 1591), and soon I'll have identified enough BSN versions so you can have one for every day of the year! Happy Happy Joy Joy! Bob, man with a mission NP: Supper's Ready "Watcher Of The Skies" PS: I think I resent that subject line too, ya bastid. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:00:01 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Karin Berquist's Quest is Over, njc jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > The hometown crowd filled a shopping bag with money > We may be the only working band in America whose fans bought the instruments being played on stage.> What a cool/tough story, except for the getting ripped off part! Still want to know the missing brand names, though. "The Dove" is likely a Gibson "Dove". Kick up, Lama. RR wishing safety to Paz and all hurricanos & jonilistas > Karin played many guitars in search of a replacement for her Lowden. She played old s and s. She played a few s and looked troubled. She played a 30-year-old called "The Dove" that was a contender. Karin said the dove inlays reminded her that we needed to forgive the bastards that stole all our stuff. > > 8. Finally she located a tiny store in Coshocton, Ohio, the only store in Ohio that carries Lowdens, and we drove some back roads, a day out, the two of us drinking coffee and talking, looking at the sky. We found the store in an old house by a creek. Wildwood Music. Signed picture of Johnny Cash on the wall. Karin played many different Lowdens and then finally picked up a brand new guitar--the same model as the one that was stolen, the O25c. She gave it a strum. Cedar, East Indian Rosewood, Pearwood binding. Tears came to her eyes. > 13. New acoustic guitars sure smell good. They do! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:40:48 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: harmonicas (njc) Jenny, Oh my, don't let Smurf crack your eggs on this one, as I am going to chime in. Elderly rocks. They are located in the same town as my HQ, and once I quit buying attachments for my iPod and paying for my ingrate daugthers' university bills (joke) the next purchase is a guitar from Elderly. They have great "almost new" Martins and Taylors at incredible prices. Smurf, you may be old baby, but I would rather call you vintage! Suze - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jenny Goodspeed Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:50:39 -0700 (PDT) To: Kate Bennett , joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: harmonicas (njc) > Kate Bennett wrote: > >I'd try Musician's Friend dot com< > Randy have you ever used them? I have heard bad things about them for many > who have ... I'd suggest going to a music store that carries harmonicas... > jeff says honer makes the best chromatic harmonicas ... > > I've had pretty good experiences with musician's friend. The couple of orders they did goof on, they worked to fix promptly. But, yeah, they aren't the best in the realm of customer service. > > I really like Elderly Instruments. They have a focus on acoustic and hard to find instruments. lots of harmonicas www.elderly.com > > Jenny > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:41:45 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?bj=F6rk_and_todd_rundgren_-_njc?= as you folks can guess, i completely plotzed when i saw this article. love the side-mention of 'healing', perhaps my favorite rundgren album. if you go to the site, you get sound samples, too. patrick np - chuck brown and eva cassidy - the other side http://slate.msn.com/id/2106695/ Dij` Entendu Bjvrk is sui generis. Or is she? By Marc Weingarten Posted Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2004, at 2:34 PM PT Bjvrk has a knack for making records that don't sound like anyone else's. With each new offeringfrom 1993's Debut, an album that roamed freely through a world's fair expo of multi-culti beats, on through Vespertine, which sealed the Icelandic singer's zig-zaggy vocal lines in an hermetic chamber of desiccated technoBjvrk is the one artist we turn to in these troubled pop times for a measure of adventure and surprise. Her latest release, Medzlla (Latin for "marrow"), is something else altogether, an album in which virtually everything you hear, aside from some light instrumentation and digital programming, is a voice. Vocal partsmostly from Bjvrk and the Icelandic Choir, a 55-member ensemblepile on to create swelling crescendos and impasto textures, and the "human beat-box" beats courtesy of ex-Roots member Rahzel, Japanese singer Dokaka, and U.K. artist Shlomo stutter, belch, and whisper. Even though it's a triumph of digital bricolagenothing new in thatMedzlla has the distinct ring of another sui generis project and has been lauded as such. But there's a precedent. With all the predictable approbation Medzlla has received, it's worth noting that Todd Rundgren performed the same "all vocals, all the time" experiment on his album A Cappella in 1985. The mid-'80s were an antediluvian era for recording, yet Rundgren, using time-honored overdub techniques, crude sample machines, and nothing but his voice, created a lush, gorgeous record that rivals Medzlla for its mad-scientist invention and ambition. The two artists share more common ground than their fans might think. Rundgren, who had already amassed an impressive CV as a songwriter, producer, and solo artist by the time A Cappella was released, is, like Bjvrk, a musician who works on his own terms, a control freak who would rather record it all himself than answer to other musicians. Rundgren also shares with Bjvrk a tendency to create music that turns inward; his electronic experiments sound like chill-out jams for Biosphere dwellers. Check his early Utopia albums or his underrated album Healing, a gorgeous meditation on faith that's alternately squawky and soothing. Rundgren favors sturdier song structures than Bjvrk, whose melodies tend to drift and wander. But there are moments when their sensibilities intersect. It's all those stacked vocals, which are soft and entreating, floating heavenward like a benediction. On A Cappella, Rundgren manipulates his elements deftly so that voices contract and expand, carom and caress. All those vocals create a kind of aural depth of field; you can almost hear elements shifting from the background to the foreground. The trick when making an all-vocals album is to avoid making it sound like a gimmick, a science project from a precocious whiz kid. Rundgren handles this with songs that are strong enough to work in other contexts. On the ballad "Lost Horizon," a baritone provides the bass line, and an angelic choir of sopranos provides accents that puff out as if from a bellows while Rundgren sings of forsaken love. The end result strikes that same bruised, ominously romantic tone with which Bjvrk's listeners have become familiar. "Johnny Jingo" (a song about blind patriotism that's all too relevant now) fashions a call-and-response structure; his multitracked vocals repeat and double back on themselves like a fractal equation. Rundgren also has a Bjvrk-like proclivity for eccentric, Eastern-tinged fulminations. "Miracle in the Bazaar" is a wacked-out sermon, with jagged washes of reverb-soaked vocals, high-pitched chanting, and Rundgren's strident entreaty to Allah, who will "make his presence known to you!" It's not unlike Medzlla's "Who Is It," where Bjvrk asks, "[W]ho is it/ that never lets you down?" You can almost picture these two sipping chai lattes and discussing Rumi and Khalil Gibran. But it's highly unlikely they'll ever share a stage together. Where A Cappella favors the four-square pop song, as on the hit-that-never-was "Something To Fall Back On," Bjvrk burrows deeper into abstraction on Medzlla. Yet Rundgren's talent for conceptual conceit is just as impressive. Give Bjvrk props for her audacity, but, at least this time, she didn't get there first. Marc Weingarten is a freelance writer living in Los Angeles. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:54:45 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: half.com/ebay (njc) Has any one else had a bad experience buying something from half.com or ebay? I ordered "Life of Pi" from someone in New Hampshire. They said it was brand new, in perfect shape, never opened. When I got it the other day, it was wrapped tightly in newspaper. Not even in a manilla envelope. One layer of newspaper and tight. When I opened it up, I found the whole book was damp. The whole thing is warped, pages are all starting to wrinkle, the edge is dirty from the imprint left by the newspaper...serious water damage. When I wrote back, asking for a refund. I got back a curt rude response saying he "refuses to allow this to happen", "can't afford for this to happen", that I should take it up with the post office and he's sorry it rains down there. So I have put negative feedback up on half.com and have written him back. He has not responded as of yet. The way I see it, a. the book was damaged before it was shipped and he was lying, or b.the book was brand new but because it was improperly shipped with no protection( and books should never be wrapped in newspaper because the oil from the print can leave a mark) he is at fault for any damage. c. I paid $2.80 for shipping- the postage cost $1.49 so he pocketed the other $1.30 and mailed it in newspaper instead of in a protective envelope...even a plastic baggy would have been better. d. Interestingly enough, this is the first negative feedback he has received. The previous 51 are all positive. Maybe he has tried this before and gotten away with it. e. don't buy anything from Eroc38 Victor, wary of online purchases and already dealing with a deadbeat landlord who has ignored requests to get rid of wasps living on the backporch and fix a stopped up sink(but planning on moving at the end of the month...whoohoo) Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:29:33 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Leslie speaker inventor dies at 93 (now NJC) That song was from Hair, which I saw off off broadway when the cast went into the audience & handed out sugar cubes that everyone took not really knowing cuz... it was off off broadway in the 1960's >Yo, I think the Leslie speaker is on Three Dog Night's "Easy To Be Hard". Those of us of a certain age will remember the sound vividly. Follow the lyrics: >How can they ignore their friends? Easy to be proud. Easy to say, "No". Especially people who care about stran-gers, who care about evil and social injustice." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:10:12 -0400 From: "Jim Leonard" Subject: Re: pleasure to meet listers > From: Em > Had the pleasure and the privilege of meeting a few JMDL listers last evening. Met Jerry and S.C. Bob, and Cindy, and Jerry's friend Deb at Skippers Smokehouse, a funky Tampa seafood place. Pretty soon Jim L. and Addie came. (Jim is Addie her correct name? I feel so bad not to exactly remember, but I'm thinking that's it.) You remembered exactly, Em. You've even spelled it correctly! Addie's name is Adele, but she's never liked it. So, not long after we met, I started calling her Addie. I can't believe no one else ever had! She told me I was the first. > It was great to meet these folks > Yes, it really was, and I regret that I've let almost two weeks pass before chiming in. "Let's get back together and do it again." > I was kinda ready to take it up another notch and do some moon-howling, but the rest of the group wanted to go to the Festival Express flick - which I want a report on, guys! and I felt I couldn't sit still..so I went on home and they went to the flick. > I was right there with you, Em, but didn't want to try to sway the group after they'd pretty much locked in on going to the flick. I thought it would have been more fun to show SC Bob some unique Tampa nightlife, especially Ybor City. I still think we all should have gone to Flirts to check out that L.A.-based singer/songwriter and Halycon, the Tampa Bay area's answer to the Indigo Girls, and continued to chat and party between sets. A movie theatre is a movie theatre, pretty much, in Anytown U.S.A., and "hanging out together" isn't what you do while you're there. As Bob said, though, the movie itself was a great deal of fun. Janis did indeed blow us all away, and I enjoyed most of the other performances, too, some of which were folk tunes played on acoustic guitars on the train ... Garcia, Danko, Janis, Weir ... cool stuff. Looking forward to seeing you, Jerry, Deb and Cindy again some time. Let's keep our eyes open for "excuses" to congregate, and let's get Bob down here again so he can see more of Tampa Bay and make it down to Fort Myers. Best, (Boston) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:33:04 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: pleasure to meet listers This is Donna Binkley, Calling All Angels: Please keep everyone on the Gulf Coast in your thoughts and prayers tonight as Ivan is due to make landfall sometime after midnight. Michael Paz and family. Cindy Vickery and Gisele Hawkins and family. Anyone else in the path of this monster has my prayers. love yall, db ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:21:53 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 16 On September 16 the following articles were published: 1987: "Jazz Star Comatose After Fight At Bar" - Miami Herald (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=923 1997: "Song takes writer to Joni Mitchell's old Detroit apartment " - Detroit News (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=647 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:11:14 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Ivan the Terrible - NJC My thoughts go out to all those in Ivan's path - may you, your loved ones, pets, homes and possessions all make it through without loss..... Hell - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #380 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)