From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2004 #377 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 13 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 377 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Mitchell -- Off The Record -- final corrected setlist + attributions [CDTraderJohn@aol.c] Exclusive - send Joni Mitchell an email! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Exclusive - send Joni Mitchell an email! [Em ] Re: English, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: babel, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: English, njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: babel, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Leslie speaker inventor dies at 93 (SJC) ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: Dreamland [Brian Gross ] "dreamland "TV advertised ["aurabright" ] Re: Dreamland [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "dreamland "TV advertised/Bolan NJC [Em ] A blast from the past (& the present) NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A blast from the past (& the present) NJC [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Exclusive - send Joni Mitchell an email! cute! and she serves the "Ray Hubbard" marketplace, even! Ray Hubbard as in "Ray Wylie Hubbard"???? who penned "Up Against the Wall You Redneck Mother"??? lol Em - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > _http://www.ebby.com/agent/jonimitchell_ > (http://www.ebby.com/agent/jonimitchell) > (http://www.ebby.com/agent/jonimitchell) > ===== "because, dis is ard. coz failin at dig isn't da same fin as not lovin. it doesn't let yous off da ook. it doesn't mean yous is free to not dig." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:07:46 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: English, njc >When immigrants came in from Africa & throughout Europe, they all brought more tongues to the mix. < I think using "immigrants" to describe those who came from Africa is misleading... they were captured in their homeland & shipped over to this country like livestock... >I don't think that English is inherently superior but, as I understand the psychology of immigrants, they are motivated to start over. Trading their old identity for a new one, they give up their home, name, and language. Motivated or rather forced to start over usually by poverty or war. To many it is a sad thing that they must leave their homeland. The people I know who are recent immigrants did not come here to change their identity or their name or language... they came to find a better life or a life period... English as a language is one of the most difficult to learn... full of exceptions to the rule... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:15:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: babel, njc Then there is (from george carlin I think) this: Why do we park in a driveway & drive on a parkway? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:20:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: English, njc --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Motivated or rather forced to start over usually by > poverty or war. To many > it is a sad thing that they must leave their > homeland. The people I know > who are recent immigrants did not come here to > change their identity or > their name or language... they came to find a better > life or a life > period... English as a language is one of the most > difficult to learn... > full of exceptions to the rule... A lot of people come to the new world (i.e., anything that is NOT Europe, Asia or Africa, I guess) not so much because they wanted to come here, but because circumstances forced them out of their old countries. It could be civil war, persecution for religious or other beliefs, or famine (famine often brought about by civil war, civil war brought about by persecution,and on it goes.) English is a mix of a whole bunch of languages, which is both its strength and its downfall. Strength because we have such a rich and varied vocabulary, downfall because there are so many possible ways to spell things and/or pronounce them and, as you said, so many exceptions to the so-called rules. I once tried learning Gaelic through a book - forget it! It makes English look like a breeze! If you ever want to learn another language, but think of yourself as one who *just can't* learn another language, go for Italian. Once you learn the spelling rules, everything is easy to read. And it's a beautiful language on top of all that. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:27:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: babel, njc >The public schools have tried to accomodate all the languages as far as teaching the children, but there has been studies that have shown this actually holds the students back over the long term.< public school policies & all the studies can be maddening to educators (at least in California). every few years a new study comes out & a new top down (political, administrative) agenda is handed out to teachers regarding how to teach math, language, etc. when I was in teacher training part of the curriculum was learning to teach using ESL methods. I found that to be very wise & common sense. however within a few years the mandate (politically motivated not educationally motivated from what I could gather) was to teach only in English. my background taught me that children learn best when taught in their own language but with an increasing dose of English being given over time. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:41:00 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Leslie speaker inventor dies at 93 (SJC) Today's New York Times has an obituary for Donald James Leslie, inventor of the Leslie rotary speaker for electric/electronic organs. Mr. Leslie was 93. For those possibly unfamiliar with the invention, by using a combination of speakers that actually rotate and stationary speakers whose sound passes through a rotating baffle, inside a resonant wooden tone cabinet, Mr. Leslie's invention was able to give an improved simulation of pipe-organ sounds to electromechanical organs such as those made by Hammond, and also to all-electronic organs. The slow-scan "chorale" function provides motion that to some degree simulates the effect of sound emanating from pipes spread out in space relative to the observer (hearer), and the fast "tremolo" function simulates theater-organ tremulants as the sound heard varies in both volume and, due to the Doppler effect, apparent pitch, as well as changes associated with directionality (low frequencies seem directionless; that's why a 5.1 system has only one subwoofer). Offhand, I don't know of any of Joni's recordings in which a Hammond-plus-Leslie sound figures prominently. If, in fact, there are such, perhaps someone on the list can enlighten me. Thanks! Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:18:59 +0100 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Dreamland Well la de dah! Can't believe I've just seen Dreamland being advertised on TV. UKTVG2 if not on other networks. WtS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Dreamland I saw it featured in the Target ad in the Sunday newspaper here in New Jersey. The smaller-than-postage stamp size picture nakes the cover art look a bit like a child's drawing. brian nw:Eagles beating Giants willytheshake wrote: > Well la de dah! Can't believe I've just seen Dreamland being advertised on > TV. UKTVG2 if not on other networks. > WtS ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:51:22 +0100 From: "aurabright" Subject: "dreamland "TV advertised I am in shock. during a documentary about "Who has Marc Bolans' Missing Millions an ad came on the TV.... The "minority female artist" that I have enjoyed for many years (to whit) one Joni Mitchell is being TV advertised on Channel 4 ..... probably the equivalent of CNN... and I am in shock.."Dreamland...available at a Woolworths near you". I am not used to seeing Joni on mid evening ads (I watch not a lot of TV) so I am also shocked but chuffed!!! What is Dreamland...a Hits and Misses Mega CD? Hmmm suspect its another BSN or TLOG, or whatever..... Hey it was good to see Joni on TV Queen Lulu Siging off in a state of chuffdom!!! Love your friends because you choose them. Understand your family because no one else can. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:38:12 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Dreamland **I saw it featured in the Target ad in the Sunday newspaper here in New Jersey. I was surprised to see it featured in the Circuit City insert in the Sunday paper. I can't imagine it's going to be a huge seller but I hope I'm proven wrong of course. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Red Shoes By The Drugstore" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:47:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: "dreamland "TV advertised/Bolan NJC Hi! this sooooo begs the question to my mind - who DOES have Marc Bolan's not in da house quillions mula? Thats a show I would love to see..naturally they'd never have that over on this side.. sheesh..... :) Em --- aurabright wrote: > I am in shock. during a documentary about "Who has Marc Bolans' > Missing > Millions an ad came on the TV.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:57:17 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: A blast from the past (& the present) NJC Funny how so many of the songs from the Vietnam era sound so fresh & relevant now. I had commented on Fiddle & The Drum yesterday, today I was driving and had an old Steppenwolf Greatest Hits tape spinning in the car - I had it turned up REAL loud because after all the louder the better when it comes to John Kay & company, right? Of course right. Anyway, this song "Monster" comes on which has always been a favorite of mine and I hear these words like they were just written today: "The police force is watching the people And the people just can't understand We don't know how to mind our own business 'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us Now we are fighting a war over there No matter who's the winner We can't pay the cost 'Cause there's a monster on the loose It's got our heads into a noose And it just sits there watching" And then of course the chorus which also rang up some chills thinking about the 1000+ milestone: "America where are you now? Don't you care about your sons and daughters? Don't you know we need you now We can't fight alone against the monster" Unfortunately in this case...good songs stand the test of time... Bob NP: Tom Heinl, "Pinto Squire" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:05:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A blast from the past (& the present) NJC --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Funny how so many of the songs from the Vietnam era > sound so fresh & > relevant now. I had commented on Fiddle & The Drum > yesterday, today I was driving > and had an old Steppenwolf Greatest Hits tape > spinning in the car - I had it > turned up REAL loud because after all the louder > the better when it comes to > John Kay & company, right? Of course right. > IT's funny you should mention this, Muller, because all I hear in my head these days is "For what it's worth" by Buffalo Springfield, a song I hadn't thought of for years before. And I have this "peace" symbol pendant that another jmdler sent me that I may start wearing around my neck. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:31:57 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Exclusive - send Joni Mitchell an email! (NJC) >> (http://www.ebby.com/agent/jonimitchell) > cute! and she serves the "Ray Hubbard" marketplace, even! > Ray Hubbard as in "Ray Wylie Hubbard"???? who penned "Up Against the > Wall You Redneck Mother"??? Once upon a time in Shiner, Texas, in a mushroom-induced mindset, I saw and heard Joe Ely sing that song on stage. It occurred to me then, as tears streamed down my face at the beauty of it all - -- it was March, and cold, and raining, and muddy like Woodstock only it was the Shiner Beer "Thanks A Million!" (barrels sold) music festival and there were more Southern fried hippies than you could shake a Thai stick at -- that "Up Against the Wall You Redneck Mother" should be named the new U.S. national anthem. Sometimes I still feel that way. Lori, glad she's writing *here* and not, erm, somewhere else (Em will understand) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:30:01 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Beth Patterson update, (long) njc Warning to all JMDL folk who go to see Beth. You will love her as well all do, but if you are a heckler type be prepared to go up against a master. Her tongue is quick and sharp too as I always find out at her shows. Glad you had a good time brother Jim. Best Paz NP-Ashara and company singing a song about a boatman > I drove 70 minutes to Dayton last night to see Beth Patterson; I had a great > time. > > Man, she can play fast when she wants to! I love the stories and I'm always > amazed at her sense of Time. Hearing these Celtic-influenced songs stripped > down, I noticed that many are built on a shuffle. At the end of a line, I > often find myself thinking, "thump-thump", which is straight out of "Iko > Iko". (What is an African shuffle doing in a Celtic song form?! Are many > of them like this or is this a Patterson pattern?) > > As bonuses, she is very at ease in front of a mic and has humor going non > stop. She's a pro, a natural ham, and a HUGE talent. Her wicked humor came > out in dead-solid parodies of Enya and Alanis. (Look out McKay, she's as > good as you are.) Unexpectedly, she throws lyrics from ELP, Rush, and > Metallica into the traditional songs to keep everyone on their toes. > > --- > Early in the evening, before I introduced myself, I was laughing, from a > table on the side, right in the front. She's so funny she often has 3 > punchlines in a row. At one point, she looked at me and said, "Did you... > just... snort?" I dipped my head in mock shame and nodded. > > She said, "Uh-oh. I just found my soul mate." > > I said, "I won't tell Ron." > > She shot back, "I'm worried about you telling my *mother*." > -- > She must have a really, really stable bouzouki because she barely had to > tune all night. > > np: "TAKE SOME FIRE" at full volume, autographed just last night by both > Beth Patterson & Ron Keller. > > In return for their autographs, I gave 'em a pile of New Orleans pictures > from PazFest pictures and a Funky Meters' show. (Beth took the solo after > "Amelia" on Paz's set. This 2 cd document, "PAZFEST, vol 1 & 2", benefits > children who are burn survivors in Honduras through the Ruth Paz Foundation. > It's available at cdbaby.com. Sorry about the commercial but old habits die > hard.) > > I'm completely tongue-tied trying to talk to Beth because in my mind she's > "A Star". It really gets in the way, ya know? Ron said they had a great > time with Cindy & Giselle the other night. Beth & Giselle really hit it > off, both musically and on a humor-level. I'm gonna drive 2 hours up to > Columbus and catch Beth again tonight. Ron said the venue in Columbus is > more of a singer-songwriter place instead of the very loud bar environment > last night. > > I'll dig out my performance photo of Giselle from last year's JoniFest and > add it to the pile I gave 'em last night. > > JMDL has been very, very good to this boring computer geek. > > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 02:12:17 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 13 On September 13 the following articles were published: 2002: "Double Take" - Independent (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=921 2002: "Not quite a play, not quite a concert: GCTC ode to Joni Mitchell gets by on superb songs" - Ottawa Citizen (Review - Play) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=949 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2004 #377 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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